One of the right's favorite ways of characterizing the state of racial relations in recent years has been to proclaim that for the most part, racism is a dead letter, an anachronism, a quaint artifact of dusty history mostly relegated to a few dark fringish corners. Dinesh D'Souza even wrote a wingnut-welfare book about it titled The End of Racism. And then there was the time Tony Snow proclaimed: "Here's the unmentionable secret: Racism isn't that big a deal any more. No sensible person supports it. Nobody of importance preaches it. It's rapidly becoming an ugly memory."
Liberals, of course, have snorted at such nonsense, with good cause: You only need to have tuned in to any of the past couple years' worth of Republican fulminations about immigration to know what a load of crap that is. Of course, they deny with vigorous red faces that racism has any part of it, but then we listen to their spokesmen -- from Pat Buchanan to Douglas Bruce -- and it's not hard to figure out that this is just so much hot air. For that matter, we only need to turn to some of their dog-whistle fulminations about Obama and their post-Katrina speculations about black people and in general, the way they talk about race, to figure out that the GOP is the main refuge of the lingering racist element in American society. But then, we've known that since the advent of the Southern Strategy.
But before Democrats start feeling smug about that -- and the fact that one of their two major candidates is African American -- they better take a hard look within their ranks as well. Because, as Greg Mitchell reports, the election results from Pennsylvania indicate that there's a problem with race for many Democrats, too:
Long before that, I had suggested that many understate the number of older Democrats who are (still) racist and who would tip many contests to Clinton. But I closed yesterday's post by saying that if Obama won or came close in Pennsylvania that might put the issue to rest.
Didn't happen. And the exit polls show, again, that one in four Clinton voters claim they would not vote for Obama in November -- for whatever reason. And she got 70% of the white, blue-collar vote in most regions, including the area of central Pennsylvania where I spent a lot of time growing up and heard many a racist remark.
Here's the money quote from a New York Times analysis of the exit polls: "Sixteen percent of white voters said race mattered in deciding who they voted for, and just 54 percent of those voters said they would support Mr. Obama in a general election; 27 percent of them said they would vote for Mr. McCain if Mr. Obama was the Democratic nominee, and 16 percent said they would not vote at all."
This is largely the same trend Paul Lukasiak uncovered when looking at national data and voting trends so far in these races. Democrats may want to believe, like Republicans, that the racism thing doesn't matter anymore, that the post-Civil Rights era has finally enabled us to move beyond race. But it's clear that that ain't so.
A lot of why this trend is manifesting itself has to do with a kind of willful blindness about race that's pervaded American society since the Civil Rights era. The truth is, we've let the legislative advances of that era, and the body of anti-discrimination laws that came out of it, stand as a kind of proxy for the cultural, economic, and broader social changes that need to occur alongside -- but if we look at them honestly, they haven't.
A recent Atlantic piece by Ta-Nehisi Coates about Bill Cosby's conservative approach to race observed that his concerns were remarkably like those of earlier black reformers:
Cosby’s, and much of black America’s, conservative analysis flattens history and smooths over the wrinkles that have characterized black America since its inception ... Indeed, a century ago, the black brain trust was pushing the same rhetoric that Cosby is pushing today. It was concerned that slavery had essentially destroyed the black family and was obsessed with seemingly the same issues—crime, wanton sexuality, and general moral turpitude—that Cosby claims are recent developments ...
In particular, Cosby’s argument—that much of what haunts young black men originates in post-segregation black culture—doesn’t square with history. As early as the 1930s, sociologists were concerned that black men were falling behind black women. In his classic study, The Negro Family in the United States, published in 1939, E. Franklin Frazier argued that urbanization was undermining the ability of men to provide for their families. In 1965—at the height of the civil-rights movement—Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s milestone report, “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action,” picked up the same theme.
At times, Cosby seems willfully blind to the parallels between his arguments and those made in the presumably glorious past. Consider his problems with rap. How could an avowed jazz fanatic be oblivious to the similar plaints once sparked by the music of his youth?
To which Russ Douthat responded:
The fact that prior generations of intellectuals fretted, Cosby-style, about African-American crime rates, family structure, and so on doesn't change the fact that those problems have grown much, much worse in the interim. And the fact that some moralistic crusades are foolish and misguided doesn't mean that all of them are. The anti-jazz crusaders confused the music with the venues where it played, but that doesn't mean that they were wrong to inveigh against alcoholism and gambling, and the fact that fifty years later jazz has become easy-listening music for the haute-bourgeoisie doesn't mean the same thing will happen - or should happen, more importantly - to this kind of thing.
But the anti-jazz crusaders weren't simply opposed to alcoholism and gambling, though as with the KKK, waving those particular bloody shirts gave them plenty to rail about regarding their larger objective: suppression of racial minorities. There was a reason the racists called it "jungle music," and a reason that the Nazis tried to outlaw jazz. Because there was a profoundly racial component of the anti-jazz crusades, which despite all their diversionary rhetoric were in fact focused on "defending white culture" -- that is, keeping black culture in check:
[A]t the time, people believed that jazz was the forerunner of the decline of Western civilization. The anti-jazz crusade was motivated by an apocalyptic fear. The anxiety that jazz was "endangering our civilization," as the populist William Jennings Bryant put it in the New York Times in May 1926, was the subtext to many of the voices. People felt, in other words, that the dawn of the Jazz Age heralded the decline of Western Civilization. An assessment in the New York Times pronounced: "The consensus of opinion of leading medical and other scientific authorities, [is that jazz] is harmful and degrading to the civilized races as it always has been among the savages from whom we borrowed it."
Besides papering over historical reality, all of these observers -- Cosby, Coates, and Douthat alike (not to mention Steve Sailer, who waded into Douthat's thread to explain that this is all because of genetically wired-in cultural traits regarding fatherhood in Africa) -- similarly refuse to confront the persistent reality: While segregation and Jim Crow have been outlawed, and residential and employment discrimination officially banned, the underlying causes of the century-ago black activists' angst have not substantially diminished, especially residential segregation, continuing job discrimination, and general equality of opportunity.
Sure, we passed anti-segregation laws, but that doesn't mean we've achieved actual desegregation. We talk high-mindedly about color-blindness, but stereotypes and broad prejudices about racial characteristics persist at all levels of society. If we want to talk about the festering persistence of crime and poverty among blacks, this is where we need to begin looking. But we never do.
In his book Sundown Towns: A Hidden Dimension of American Racism, James Loewen explored the broad economic and cultural ramifications of the history of towns across America, most of them outside the South, that outlawed the presence of black people after sundown. There were literally thousands of them, most in the Midwest and West but in fact in every corner of the country. And the legacy of residential segregation they created -- and which Americans have never come close to confronting -- persists well into this century:
[T]he talk in sundown towns brims with amazing stereotypes about African Americans, put forth confidently with nary an African American in their lives. The ideology intrinsic to sundown towns -- that African Americans ... are the problem -- prompts their residents to believe and pass on all kinds of negative generalizations as fact. They are the problem because they choose segregation -- even though "they" don't, as we have seen. Or they are the problem owing to their criminality -- confirmed by the stereotype -- misbehavior that "we" avoid by excluding or moving away from them.
Of course, such stereotypes are hardly limited to sundown towns. Summarizing a nationwide 1991 poll, Lynne Duke found that a majority of whites believed that "blacks and Hispanics are likely to prefer welfare to hard work and tend to be lazier than whites, more prone to violence, less intelligent, and less patriotic." Even worse, in sundown towns and suburbs, statements such as these usually evoke no open disagreement at all. Because most listeners in sundown towns have never lived near African Americans, they have no experiential foundation from which to question the negative generalities that they hear voiced. So the stereotypes usually go unchallenged: blacks are less intelligent, lazier, and lack drive, and that's why they haven't built successful careers. [pp. 320-321]
Sundown towns and their continuing legacy have also had a profound psychological impact on blacks, including the internalization of low expectations, and the exclusion of blacks from cultural capital [pp. 353-355]:
Confining most African Americans to the opposite of sundown suburbs -- majority black, inner-city neighborhoods -- also restricts their access to what Patterson calls cultural capital: "those learned patterns of mutual trust, insider knowledge about how things really work, encounter rituals, and social sensibilities that constitute the language of power and success." ...
Making the suburbs unreachable for nonwhites similarly restricts them from making the social connections that are critical to forming networks that help us find work and move ahead in the workforce. Loewen notes that "the trouble is, these networks are segregated, so important information never reaches black America. ... Sundown suburbanites know only whites, by definition, except perhaps a few work contacts. Thus sundown suburbs contribute to economic inequality by race."
As I observed earlier:
Most often, we like to overemphasize the progress that has been made racially since the Civil Rights era -- while the reality is that the majority of our accomplishment has been more in the legal arena than in the larger societal one, and the bulk of it has been a result of a small handful of laws passed over a brief period in the 1960s: the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Subsequent efforts to create a color-blind society, such as affirmative action and busing, have been muted in the years following by efforts to do away with them.
At the same time, very little has been done to tackle the larger problem of structuralized, institutional racism, created by decades of prejudice that created a segregated society divided into largely white suburbs and rural areas, while nonwhites remain clustered in inner cities, and the resulting segregation by class and power, economic and political.
Indeed, we seem to remain obdurately ignorant of the nature of these issues. What happens more often than not is that we reflexively fall back to old attitudes: The "problem," as we see it, must be with those nonwhites themselves. After all, the thinking goes, slavery ended in 1865, and we did away with Jim Crow and officially sanctioned prejudice in the 1960s. If blacks still fail to advance, it must be something wrong with them. If they fail to move up and into the suburbs, it must be their fault.
Too many white voters, especially in rural and suburban precincts, on both sides of the partisan aisle have absorbed these attitudes. Too many of them continue to believe that a black man, no matter how well educated, will ever have "the stuff" it takes to be president. And that's why we've seen the racial voting trends in Democratic primaries that we have.
It's not an insurmountable problem for Democrats, should Obama indeed be their nominee. But neither is it one they can hope to paper over and still win in November.
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Good post. Needs to be discussed.
so then what is the solution?
Where’s Lucy?
One way to add focus to the issue is to ask “Can Obama win Ohio and Pennsylvania against McCain- or are there too many whites who will refuse to vote for a black….The answer to that question is far from obvious.
We have to do everything we can to get the youngsters out to vote. Hopefully, Obama will be able to inspire them in November as he has in the primary…
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a sundown town?
I don’t think there’s a simple solution to a complex problem. But Democrats need to begin finding ways to talk about race in a way that works at addressing the real stagnancy we’ve had in advancing race relations, especially in providing real opportunities for blacks — opportunities that exist outside of government inducements. And yet you have to find a way to do it that, instead of blaming whites or attacking them for their failures, calls upon what Lincoln called “the better angels of our nature.”
That would be a neat trick. How do we do it? I’m not someone claiming to have the answers. But we’re never going to find them if we pretend the problem isn’t there.
I have a friend who is a college grad, enlisted man in the infantry and Iraq vet. He says his military experience has made him less tolerant and more racist. I think it is a major leap to assume the “youngsters” are going to be any better than the rest of us.
Yes, we’ve got to increase turnout to take this problem on. Also remember that independent voters could not vote in PA yesterday.
Thank you David. We need to be talking about race.
Click the link, there were many in Southern Illinois into the 50’s.
Blacks were not allowed to be in the town after sundown, or they’d be shot.
From Maine to California, thousands of communities kept out African Americans (or sometimes Chinese Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.) by force, law, or custom. These communities are sometimes called “sundown towns” because some of them posted signs at their city limits reading, typically, “, Don’t Let The Sun Go Down On You In ___.”
Racism is alive and well and…almost becoming “fashionable”…It starts when you allow little slurs and codes to get by…and then it festers…and it emboldens and then you end up with what happened in Germany and what is happening in the M.E.
Every covert racial slur needs to be smacked down now…It’s not okay to go on and on with it in the MSM news…ala Scarborough and Buchanan without holding them accountable…in the guise that it is okay, because of Rev. Wright and what he said…or because it’s just politics. They are both blatantly racist, and the networks that keep them talking are racist too. Racism is insidious and needs to be rejected and denounced at every chance. It is no different than antisemitism. It needs to be denounced.
Spit.
Here’s Loewen’s book.
Here’s something I wrote about it.
Towns where minorities (or strangers in general) are told, “You’d better not be around after sundown or…”
AKA White flight (from older districts of inner cities).
When I lived in Colorado in the early 80’s…I was told that there was such an “unwritten” law in Loveland, Colorado.
OH no here we go again…..it’s the white racists fault that Obama didn’t win. This is such a load of crap.Maybe they think he is to young…maybe they were offended by his Bitter remarks…maybe they don’t like a Minister who was held up as his mentor calling on God to Damn America….maybe they don’t like his wife saying she has never been proud of America until her husband got some recognition….maybe they didn’t like him not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem.(Remember some of these “Whites” fought for their country and saw some of their friends die for this country…maybe they don’t like him hanging around with a radical leftist who proclaims he didn’t blow up enough things in the 60’s…..no they didn’t take any of this into account they just didn’t vote for him because ..TA DA HE IS BLACK…Now that is not to say that some didn’t vote for him because he is black but I think thou doest protest to much sir!
I think she is back stage /s
I assume we are not feeding?
If you’ll read the post, you’ll see that no one’s claiming it’s the white racists’ fault that Obama lost. But when one out of four Clinton voters, nearly all of them white, says they won’t vote for Obama regardless, there’s a problem.
That is not what this is about. The fact is that Obama’s candidacy has brought out blatant racism. It’s not about whether he wins or not. If he was “white” (i.e., having not an ounce of black blood…by racist standards…when in fact, he is 1/2 white and 1/2 black but is called “black” because of the color of his skin!!!!) Start right there. No one says…McCain…the “white” candidate…
America has a great deal of racism. Deal with it.
I fought for my country and saw African Americans systematically fucked over by racist cracker NCO’s and a draft that let white college students skate. Take that weak shit somewhere else.
I fed. I just fed the nags…so I’m in a feeding mode. Pissed me off.
thank you for trhis post!! thats the undercurrent lurking in the dem underground imo….. we heard soo much of the blue collar workers as if african-americans are not blue collar wworkers…. but these are reagan dems mostly and again in my opinion they’re not going to vote for obama jus sayin ;o)
I guess we are!
You are right there may be a problem they may have beliefs that are different from his and they won’t vote for him because of them, not becasue they are racist…again some maybe.. but this is a very sweeping statement. Obama tried to taint the citizens of New Hampshire in the same way…We didnt’ win…It’s the racists fault but if he wins,…My what enlightend people….
About 15 years ago several of us spoke with a woman whose husband had died and left her an accounting business. She was selling the business, but was being selective about who she sold it to. She had a full price offer, but wouldn’t sell because the buyer was ITALIAN. I looked around the table for someone with their eyes crossed, but everyone was on board with her.
I thought we quit being mad at Italians about 100 years ago. BTW, if this happened now, I’d report her.
LOL
I have a sweeping statement for you.
I would suggest the possibility that some of these “reasons” would not be salient if he were white.
For example, I don’t see Hillary Clinton wearing a flag lapel pin (even though she often wears suits), and I haven’t heard her receive any flak about that…
Sir.
Please back away from that keyboard and take twenty deep breaths.
It is not worth the temporary feeling of momentary satisfaction.
Right.
I wasn’t fast enough to say there probably wasn’t much to be gained by it.
But since I’m so slow on the draw tonight…
It is not weak shit it is the truth many have fought and died for this country from many backrounds not just whites I was only speking of the supposed “White Racists” aleeged in this article in Pennsylvania who may have a problem with a candidate for President not respecting the national anthem by putting his hand over his heart. You don’t win the vote of midlle Pensylvania by being “Cool”!
Ahh I said nothing about wearing a flag lapel.
Waitaminute! I thought sexism was a much bigger problem than racism. Used to hear that a lot.
I need charts and plots. Stat!
Report her for what…? Not selling her company to whoever she wanted to? You don’t have to sell anything to anybody if you don’t want to and you can sell a business to anybody that you wnat to.
Oh, and what makes Obama “cool” in your estimation and Clinton (you seem to imply) not “cool”—the fact that he is black?
Bullseye.
David thanks very much for the post.
It’s an incredibly difficult topic to verbalize. 100% European Americans simply don’t have to deal with their ethnicity as a predicate of their existence.
There is racism…and there is just downright ignorance. Eat that….
Thanks for addressing this, David. Obama did very well with this issue early on… until his campaign minions jumped into the fray..and Clinton (especially Bill) continuously digs for new lows in right-wing radio world..
I really think the best way for Dems to handle divisive racism is through class / income issues. Also I have had some success in conversations with Arkansas rednecks by pointing out as long as the rich man /employer can yank their prejudices, they will be divided and treated as such.
Go tell your mom she’s callin you.
Obama chose to be more alligned with a African American culture. Now of course in America he may have not had much choice but if you read his book he seems to have made a decision to be identified as black not mixed which is fine…
So…is Obama black or white???? He is just as much a white candidate as a black candidate. That is an undeniable fact.
“Sundown Towns. . . that outlawed the presence of black people after sundown.”
Can this be literally true, or is it some sort of de facto situation that is not explicit, but has the same effect? Or did I miss the explanation? What was the date of these “sundown towns”?
Bob in HI
Facts, that’s sure to change a lot of minds.
Click the link bro. I has the n word so it’s not posted.
Equal opportunity.
Wickeroo
community in the United States where non-whites — especially African Americans — were systematically excluded from living in or passing through after the sun went down. This allowed maids and workmen to provide unskilled labor during the day. They came into existence in the late 19th century during what sociologists have described as the nadir of American race relations. Sundown towns existed throughout the nation, but more often were located in the northern states that were not pre-Civil War slave states. There have not been any de jure sundown towns in the country since the legislation in the 1960s inspired by the American Civil Rights Movement, though de facto sundown towns existed at least into the 1970s. Their continued existence is the subject of some debate.
see ya’ll, good luck with goober
Later, Raven.
My my my first you suggest we have a discusion about race and then the insults fly…by the way my mother is dead.
I don’t think I’d heard the “less patriotic” stereotype before, David. Curious, isn’t it, that conservatives are eager to present “the heartland” as more patriotic because of the questionable assertion that most of our troops come from there, but African Americans can be stereotyped as “less patriotic” despite the fact that a much higher percentage of them serve in the armed forces.
Thank you David for this post.
Racism/classism/anti-brownism/Islamaphobia/misogyny are all alive and well in this country and beyond.
We need to deal with it.
Thanks for the link to your review. Very interesting - I will go back later and read the rest of the series.
He’s not “mixed”…He is half white and half black. He has dark skin….and in our society, if you have dark skin because one of your parents is of African descent…you are automatically pegged as “black”. The whole way of thinking is frikkin’ nuts. He cannot claim to be “white”…that is the racism aspect. Identifying people by the color of their skin. In our society, if you are half black…you are black….that is the racism. Geez…
Enlightened people know that you are who you are, and it has zero to do with the color of your skin. Go study something.
david - what trend of paul’s are you referring to?
Did you read his book? Did you “buy” his book and read it?
My my “Raven” are you trying to insult me because of my race…presuming you know what my race is!
Bushsucks12, who qualifies as “white?” Are Jessica Alba and Halle Berry “white?” What about Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, and Joe Torre? Do they qualify? If there’s a disagreement about who is “white,” is there someone we can ask?
Especially plots.
*wink*
Exactly, ES.
Tweety [yes, he’s off my earned-my-respect list] danced all round the edges of “White Catholics” and their “conservative social values” voting tonight. Clinton’s pro-choice, her husband’s…what he is, and yet the “White Catholic” vote, according to Tweety went for Clinton.
Let’s just put it out in the open: bigotry, fear, preyed and played upon by the cynical corporatists.
Clinton’s using the “Southern Strategy” of the race card. She may tell herself she’s channeling Eleanor Roosevelt in her quest, but her tactics say “Strom.” Willful deniability indeed.
How did Obama choose this?
At the link I included there, Paul discussed specifically how racism was more of a consistent mover of voter behavior than sexism. I think Paul concluded that this affected Obama’s electability, but I don’t necessarily agree with that. I just think it reveals a factor that has to be confronted.
I also think a lot of disparity will dissolve when health care and much more equal access to higher education is enabled for all. Bigotry is about about class protection and ignorant fear.. And the younger generation is much less prone to ignoring or accepting it. I really don’t think middle aged and older crowd will change their mind/fears.
I do think the popularity of charter schools will slow progress or even reverse it among the young.
completely agree. i don’t think this can be said too often.
i’ve seen it in my own family - people who 10 years ago would never say what they now say. and people who 10 years ago would be offended to hear it, don’t care.
we have to speak up every time.
Agree.
Biden pushed the envelope with his “clean and articulate” comment.
JoLie pushed it further by asking, “are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or a Jesse Jackson Democrat?”
I think current poll results that show lots of Democratic voters who say “I’ll vote for McCain if my choice isn’t the nominee” are bullshit. Regardless of the race of the respondent, people are fired up about their candidate right now; we are in the midst of a hard-fought campaign between two terrific candidates whose partisans are extremely, um, partisan.
My preferred candidate dropped out some time ago, and I’m still not entirely comfortable with my remaining two choices. So I think we shouldn’t read a lot into the media-driven conflict narrative (”dems in disarray”) that these polls seems to indicate. Many Democrats will come around when they realize the tremendous stakes in the 2008 election. Our job is to communicate these stakes effectively to voters who feel disaffected because their candidate did not win the nomination, or because the eventual nominee does not look like them.
That said, racism is alive and well in America. I hope it doesn’t affect our election this fall. But it probably will.
I agree with you I dont’ have to study anything it is Obam who is holding himslef out as the possible “First Black Nominee for Presidnet” not me. My issues with Obama have nothing to do with his race. I don’t think he is the best person for the job at this time. In time he maybe and then I might vote for him but not now not at this time…it seems to me you are the one who is more caught up in the Race thing. I just dont’ think he is the person we need to take our country through the next few years with all that is going on..he is not tested he has not really been in Washinton that long and some may say that is a good thing I don’t beleive that, it buys into the “Government is the Problem” scenario that so many Republicans have said for so many years. I think government is a viable entity that can be used to make life better for a lot of people and I don’t think that Obama has the experience to do that ..YET!
I don’t know ask them!
Oh and the whole patriot thingy with your hand over your heart and lapel pin is just this:
I’ll do it again (with goosebumps and pride and tears) when the people of this nation stand up for the Constitution and not one minute before.
Europeans have a history of overcoming these prejudices. Irish and English hated each other for centuries. English and the French hated each other. The Germans and French hated each other. Italians and semitic peoples were also shut out of the European American club for decades.
amen!
the problem, i think, is that very few pols will go there - because it pisses off a good portion of their donor base and all of the MSM.
So if Obama wins the nomination you’ll vote for McCain?
At the end of In the Valley of Elah, Tommy Lee Jones’ character hangs the flag upside down. The universal distress signal.
Is America in distress? Is that patriotic? Would it be patriotic if Denzel Washington had played that role instead?
It’s relevant that during the recent Dem “debate” that one of the “questions” came from someone who obviously has an ax to grind against Obama. As became clear when various sites looked into her history of saying/ implying that Obama was not a patriot. Somehow (!) he was made to defend the fact that he wasn’t wearing a flag pin. Uh, neither Hillary nor Gibson nor Stepanopoulous were wearing a flag pin either. And, I have yet to find a pic of McCain wearing a flag pin. He certainly didn’t do so during any of the Repug debates.
The great flag pin flap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXoynG22qfE
You’re the one throwing out the term “white.”
So, if Obama asserts that he is “white,” does that mean he is?
Don’t know what it takes to win the “white vote” in PA.
But I’ll never forget the day when - as VP of my med school class (in the 19 the floor boardroom of Hahnemann Medical College; Broad and Vine, Philadelphia, PA), the Student National Medical Association (AA med student assn) came to ask Hahnemann’s med school student govt for the same funds we gave to any other med student organization.
[Thanks to a monopoly on the Friday beer parties and the video games in the student lounge, the med school student govt was rakin in the bucks.]
What did Ray the 83-84 med school student body president say just before the SNMA rep came in the room?
“Let’s see what what the niggers want”
None of the PA natives batted an eye. They didn’t even get when the CA/NY folks in the room jumped down their throats.
[That’s the moment we Californians…almost one-quarter of the med school student body {no, not the dissecatble bodies}…resolved to take over the damn place next year. And we did - got my self-avowedly dikey friend Cindy Daly elected to clean the sewer out.]
I don’t agree with the Clintonistas on much -
especially after the Denny clinic where I was sole MD among the medics treating the folks going into seizures and delirium…
after Bill and his SS decided to play King of WTO and have 60,000 people gassed with chemical weapons in Seattle.
[Nothing like seeing law enforcement and National Guard bracket your street medic station with rounds of chemical weapons - and watch them “walk in” the trajectories on you and the casualties your’re treating - to lead to a wee bit ‘o alienation.]
But I still agree with Carville’s take:
“Pennsylvania: Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at one end - and Alabama in the middle”.
Pennsylvania: Most racist place I’ve ever been - and that includes white LA enclaves in SoCal.
N.B. Of course, that doesn’t mean everyone in the state of PA (especially the progressives who contribute here).
In times of scarce resources and lack of jobs, those divisions grow greater. Probably why it’s getting more “mainstreamed” here as our economy worsens.
San Marino, California - well into the late 60’s.
Good girlio. You’ve got me wondering…Obama is a Constitutional lawyer….and he seems to respect the Constitution.
He most certainly is half white.
Okay.
Doesn’t that all come down to what and how America defines “black” and the connotations and limitations attached to that? You can’t pretend that racism is not a factor…it is. The media spends 24/7 pointing out the color of his skin (that is my point).
Your stated reservations of his qualifications to be president are and should be the same, whether he is labeled by society as black or white or green; and are perfectly valid.
Denzel already did that in another way in his great movie “Glory”.
we’re still in distress.
I think Bushsucks12 is a GOP troll posing as an old-time blue collar Democrat.
I’m convinced.
I want a Constitutional scholar to lead us out of the morass.
And I don’t think s/he thinks Bush sucks.
I can almost hear his best speech ever coming!
Boo Radley would know…*g*
Yes.
well, i disagree that the data said that. but let’s accept it for the moment. i don’t think what you describe is “largely the same trend” as what you quote from mitchell:
[sniff…sniff…sniff] I smell troll.
That qualification needs to be expanded….
Hey, Bushsucks…you payin’ attention?
Exactly.
Just talking with another “bitter” Obama supporter…we agreed the media spinning make us bitter…and while we won’t vote for McCain, and we loathe the Hillary tactics, there’s another option many are not talking about and that’s sitting down. Will this become a factor if the racecard/baiting continues?
Oh, and on this I can agree with Matthews: the media are makin’ shit up to continue the horserace, no matter how destructive it is to solving this country’s problems. But then enabling this, why should it surprise us from BushCo embeds?