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	<title>Comments on: Mr. McCain?  Meet Mr. Joad.  It Really Is The Economy, Stupid.</title>
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		<title>By: Katherine Graham Cracker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/23/mr-mccain-meet-mr-joad-it-really-is-the-economy-stupid/#comment-1406685</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Graham Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two more sites concerning this issue&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ondayone.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ondayone.org/&lt;/a&gt;   One suggestion is turning the whitehouse lawn into a vegetable garden&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eatingliberally.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eatingliberally.com/&lt;/a&gt;    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a suggestion around to give tax breaks (incentives) for people to have home gardens –there is precedent Victory Gardens.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more sites concerning this issue</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ondayone.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ondayone.org/</a>   One suggestion is turning the whitehouse lawn into a vegetable garden</p>
<p><a href="http://eatingliberally.com/" rel="nofollow">http://eatingliberally.com/</a>    </p>
<p>There is a suggestion around to give tax breaks (incentives) for people to have home gardens –there is precedent Victory Gardens.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i wrote a comment about why this thread is so repulsive, then i decided why waste my breath&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyone who needs told that i don’t want to be around anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so i deleted what i was going to say and will say this-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i will no longer refer anyone to fdl………and fdl needs donations to be here, blue america needs funds, any loss of people means loss of hamsters……..think about it, what kind of place has this turned into? granted, my small donations to fdl and blue america don’t mean much, but i did refer people here that would have added to our dialogue and do donate to many causes, think they’re gonna want to be around this shite?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t think so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my reasons to refer people?–everyone welcome, lots of good info, wide variety of people, wide variety of posts, good discourse–most days, not so anymore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;used to warn people about the vitriol goin’ on here and there, said just ignore that and read the posts and some days the comments are out of hand, but it’s not here and there anymore, is it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m making one last donation, had already planned on it, after that-if this doesn’t change i’m not supporting it verbally or financially anymore.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wrote a comment about why this thread is so repulsive, then i decided why waste my breath</p>
<p>anyone who needs told that i don’t want to be around anyway.</p>
<p>so i deleted what i was going to say and will say this-</p>
<p>i will no longer refer anyone to fdl………and fdl needs donations to be here, blue america needs funds, any loss of people means loss of hamsters……..think about it, what kind of place has this turned into? granted, my small donations to fdl and blue america don’t mean much, but i did refer people here that would have added to our dialogue and do donate to many causes, think they’re gonna want to be around this shite?</p>
<p>i don’t think so.</p>
<p>my reasons to refer people?–everyone welcome, lots of good info, wide variety of people, wide variety of posts, good discourse–most days, not so anymore.</p>
<p>used to warn people about the vitriol goin’ on here and there, said just ignore that and read the posts and some days the comments are out of hand, but it’s not here and there anymore, is it?</p>
<p>nope.</p>
<p>i’m making one last donation, had already planned on it, after that-if this doesn’t change i’m not supporting it verbally or financially anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Martiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and me and mine after the last 4-6 weeks of Hillary’s rethug tactics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and me and mine after the last 4-6 weeks of Hillary’s rethug tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: dictatortot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/23/mr-mccain-meet-mr-joad-it-really-is-the-economy-stupid/#comment-1406266</link>
		<dc:creator>dictatortot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Grapes of Wrath scenes in the US are a big ole picnic compared to the oncoming mass starvation in the Third World. Marx didn’t get it right–Malthus did. &lt;a href=&quot;http://newsprism.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://newsprism.wordpress.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Grapes of Wrath scenes in the US are a big ole picnic compared to the oncoming mass starvation in the Third World. Marx didn’t get it right–Malthus did. <a href="http://newsprism.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://newsprism.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: wobblybits</title>
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		<dc:creator>wobblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*sigh* ((DW)) your awesome.  Sometimes you just have to leave folks where they’re at and move on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* ((DW)) your awesome.  Sometimes you just have to leave folks where they’re at and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Juno</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/23/mr-mccain-meet-mr-joad-it-really-is-the-economy-stupid/#comment-1406212</link>
		<dc:creator>Juno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay.  I don’t see it that way, of course, and in fact I think you’ve clearly been more aggressive, hostile, and personal toward me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve even defended Sen. Obama many times, when I’ve seen fit to do so, but never see anything but hostility toward Sen. Clinton here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think disagreeing or expressing a differing viewpoint or even debating a point is showing disrespect for others or their analysis.  It does  seem to me that there is a thought here that any thinking other than support for Obama and hatred of Clinton is intolerable and wrong and disrespectful.  I’m polarizing because I support Clinton and try to explain why, but anyone can toss bombs at Clinton and it’s fine. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My ends, as I have said many, many times, is for the Democrat to win in November.  I think I’ve been very clear about that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.  I don’t see it that way, of course, and in fact I think you’ve clearly been more aggressive, hostile, and personal toward me.</p>
<p>I’ve even defended Sen. Obama many times, when I’ve seen fit to do so, but never see anything but hostility toward Sen. Clinton here.</p>
<p>I don’t think disagreeing or expressing a differing viewpoint or even debating a point is showing disrespect for others or their analysis.  It does  seem to me that there is a thought here that any thinking other than support for Obama and hatred of Clinton is intolerable and wrong and disrespectful.  I’m polarizing because I support Clinton and try to explain why, but anyone can toss bombs at Clinton and it’s fine. </p>
<p>My ends, as I have said many, many times, is for the Democrat to win in November.  I think I’ve been very clear about that.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t find you insufferable, just your behavior.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your insult other’s intelligence, motivation, grasp and fundamental human decency, while holding yourself to be a model of moral rectitude, all-encompassing knowledge and, always, right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whatever interest you may profess in rational discussion seems to take a back seat to your short-sighted polemics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you no respect for others OR their analysis?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you even hear anyone else?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have just about convinced me that, like your candidate, you’ve no interest in anything which does not serve your ends, whatever they may be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have asked you numerous thoughtful questions, as have many others, you pick and chose, cherry-pick, what you respond to, ignoring context and perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Basically, you articulate a ’scorched-earth’ attitude regarding your candidate, the rest of us, truth, and any attempt at honest discourse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t find you insufferable, just your behavior.</p>
<p>Your insult other’s intelligence, motivation, grasp and fundamental human decency, while holding yourself to be a model of moral rectitude, all-encompassing knowledge and, always, right.</p>
<p>Whatever interest you may profess in rational discussion seems to take a back seat to your short-sighted polemics.</p>
<p>Have you no respect for others OR their analysis?  </p>
<p>Can you even hear anyone else?</p>
<p>You have just about convinced me that, like your candidate, you’ve no interest in anything which does not serve your ends, whatever they may be.</p>
<p>I have asked you numerous thoughtful questions, as have many others, you pick and chose, cherry-pick, what you respond to, ignoring context and perspective.</p>
<p>Basically, you articulate a ’scorched-earth’ attitude regarding your candidate, the rest of us, truth, and any attempt at honest discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahgoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahgoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;‘Really don’t mind if you sit this one out’&lt;/em&gt;   Ian Anderson&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>‘Really don’t mind if you sit this one out’</em>   Ian Anderson</p>
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		<title>By: Juno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not to mention Gibson’s apparent panic that his capital gains tax might go up and turning the question into a personal battle with Obama.  It was disgraceful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention Gibson’s apparent panic that his capital gains tax might go up and turning the question into a personal battle with Obama.  It was disgraceful.</p>
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		<title>By: Juno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suggested someone Google info. on how African Americans felt about Bill Clinton when he was president, not echo chambers and double standards.  Not sure from where you got that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry you find me to be insufferable. Intolerance and double standards often manifest themselves by making the person with the minority viewpoint appear to be “insufferable”.  As a partisan, I’m a Democrat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggested someone Google info. on how African Americans felt about Bill Clinton when he was president, not echo chambers and double standards.  Not sure from where you got that.</p>
<p>I’m sorry you find me to be insufferable. Intolerance and double standards often manifest themselves by making the person with the minority viewpoint appear to be “insufferable”.  As a partisan, I’m a Democrat.</p>
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