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“So?”

Funny!

please no, I want a candidate so we can hit McCain now.

We have one. Just Humor HRC and her supporters and attack McSame.

This long campaign season certainly has felt like Groundhog Day. Very astute observation Peter.

Well, if we have six more weeks of primaries, my head will explode from all the idiocies on all sides.

And the rest of Pennsyltucky (WVa and Kentucky) will get a chance to vote and maybe have it mean something.

This was EPU’d in prior threads: Is this a legitimate ballot in the PA election? I it being investigated?

Yeah but if you ignore her and just go after mccain, the accusation of snob, uppity, sexist, etc. will be hurled.

It’s not a legitimate ballot.

I’ll admit, my fuse has been shortened given the nuke Iran bullshit

I am sooooo sick of the primaries, BUT…

Indiana’s makes a difference this year, for the first time in a long time. I don’t have any expectation that Obama will win redstate Indiana, but I am seeing a LOT of Obama yard signs.

No it is a party sample ballot given out by people at tables outside the polls.

noone is going to make a differance, it’s just gonna be the superdelegates

Looks like the leaflets groups hand out here to let you know what people to vote for if you’re voting party line. On the bottom it says “You may take this into the voting booth with you.”

sheesh

no one ……difference

The comic relief has arrived! Thanks, Peterr, we needed that!

My hard right co-worker says that we should have any and all candidates declare in November the year before an election. Not actively campaign until May. Primaries, all states, one day, in July. Conventions in August. Election in November. He makes it sound awfully attractive.

Mr. Cbl

Who would have thought that PA on April 22 would matter? Certainly not me.

And for those of us old enough to remember, Bobby Kennedy was shot in June in CA after a campaign primary event. That contest was still hot back in June of 1968.

But things have changed since then. We now want instant gratification. If the rethug race was still in doubt this elongated mess wouldn’t bother me so much but we need to focus our ire on McSame rather than wasting our energy and money on the primary.

JMHO

Yay! The slow waking-up continues! Go Dems!

agreed.

Good Points. I also think McCain and the Re-thugs might possibly be lulled into over confidence.

In the midst of this mess, it sounds really attractive

Declare in May, one national primary in September, General in November. It’s unbearable as it is now.

I just hate the idea that this would go to the convention. 9 weeks to criss cross the country and campaign in all 50 states? Not saying it isn’t possible but it sure isn’t probable.

A few major problems with the single day primary ideas:

1) No one voter in either party would gain enough votes to capture the nomination, resulting in the brokered convention and putting it back into the hands of the party bosses (who would probably be thrilled).

2) The leading vote getter would be the person with the most money.

3) The small states would be back to being totally ignored as all the candidates would go back to the airport tarmac campaigning and big ticket media markets with all the ads. TradMed of course would be delighted.

Declare in May, one national primary in September, General in November. It’s unbearable as it is now.

2 day voting, over a weekend, and no exit polling and prognostication until the polls close on Hawaii

The only problem I have with a shortened schedule is the possibility of an obscure, totally unqualified Texas Governor being elected…… Oh wait…

OT: Suspicions rise about detainees being drugged:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0422.html

time lost is time lost. Mccain is recapturing the disgruntled republicans and some independents. the longer this plays out, the more the repugs have time to mobilize and do what they do best. of course this is JMHO

Excellent suggestions, and it is very weird how quickly the press forgot all their mea culpas and self-flagellation after Election 2000. They’re addicts.

2) The leading vote getter would be the person with the most money.

Sorry, left out the best part, Public financing. Period.

Lol.

The problem with a long schedule is it allows people to forget that valuable rule taught by teachers: stick with your first choice (instinct).

It would still not do any good for the other two reasons mentioned. Candidates would still husband their funds and spend on ads in major markets and large states and ignore the smaller ones.

And they still wouldn’t get the fifty per cent plus 1 threshold.

Peterr –

Thanks for the humor. We really need a good dose at this point. I begin losing my perspective. Especially when McTrollop opens his mouth and all those foul creatures spew forward, I lose my appetite, humor and start turning down right mean. ggggrrrrrr

me too. It’s him, I want to go after

Someone should have thought of a convention in July then- but they’ve been telling themselves that the party who has the LATEST convention has the advantage..

Hey Wobblybits – I’ve been out all morning and part of the afternoon. Just checking in. I see you’ve been holding down the fort. Way to go!

They never imagined that it would go that far and now their worst nightmare has happened. But the elected delegates are not going to decide this, the supers will decide this so …. have them declare now and let’s get on with it.

I hear some of the silliest ASSumptions passing as fact.

3 more hours until the polls close.

What shall we do with ourselves?

Somehow I cannot get the picture out of mind of Cindy McSame, as first lady, sitting among a group of slum kids in Brazil.

yeah but I’m on my way back out *g* have to go visit the plant nursery to make a final decision on the ‘native garden’. With gas being over 4 bucks for super unleaded, I’ll be using pedal power

Seems as if a twelve week primary season would be long enough to allow the cream to rise to the top and to give those with less name recognition time to introduce themselves. It really doesn’t need to start until April and should be through by July. Hold the convention in late July and there’s plenty of time to campaign for the general.

I’m sure the brasilians felt the same

I tend to agree. Superdelegates, probably anoint HRC.

It was of course only two voters talking. However, it struck me as odd that it came from someone that admitted to NEVER having voted for a Dem. In his life. It was during this very conversation that he told me he would vote, as he had in the TX primary, for Obama should he be the nominee. His disgust with the process is only surpassed by his thorough dissapointment with the current preznit.

She adopted an orphan from a third world country. She might fit in very well for the purpose you mentioned- but that has nothing to do with John’s qualifications to be prez

2 day voting, over a weekend, and no exit polling and prognostication until the polls close on Hawaii

Heh, you’d all be asleep by the time Hawaii closes its’ polls… ;-)

3 more hours until the polls close.

What shall we do with ourselves?

My sentiments exactly. Went to check out lastest news but other than some precincts report turnout is slow to average, there was nothing else to ponder.

Jusht yew wait. Ah’ll be remembered as a great Deshider! Ah don’t listen to no polls.

-G.W. Pudweed

3) The small states would be back to being totally ignored as all the candidates would go back to the airport tarmac campaigning and big ticket media markets with all the ads. TradMed of course would be delighted.

Well, if you’re like me from a delegate rich but (up till recently) late voting state, you never really counted anyway. Nobody ever came courting my vote.

One person one vote is the way to go, regardless of where you live. Either everyone should be subjected to the same hollow spot ads without the priviledge of face time, or the candidates should be required to spend equal time in all regions, period.

Super Delegates HAVE to decide this thing cause neither candidate has collected enough committed delegates to have a majority. Unless something dramatic happens- I think they’ll go Obama.

I tend to agree. Superdelegates, probably anoint HRC.

At the cost of the loss of millions and millions of decisive voters? I don’t believe so. Not even the DLC can be that stupid

Seems to me that after Indiana and North Carolina- there’s not much more out there that will be of a lot of general interest.. If I were Obama- I’d start layin into McBush after those.

my pct. turnout out was already 35% for registered dems at 2 pm. 14% for the r’s. That is NOT slow to average for a primary here I’m told.

It’s past time for both of them to be laying into McSame. It should be the focus from here on in for everyone. Why wait until later? It would be good to see how the two of them go after him rather than each other.

3 more hours until the polls close.

What shall we do with ourselves?

I’m fantasizing about pizza and a chilled Pennsylvania beer.

The thing is, the “voting” during primaries and caucuses is to select delegates to the varying levels of conventions for the D/R parties. Both parties are quasi-private organizations (public in that the states do provide voting resources).

So it’s not one person one vote as it almost is during the general election.

Which means, if you are not happy with the process, then you need to get active in your local Dem party at all levels and push for the changes you desire.

Can you let us know what part of the state is reporting slow to average movement? They all had really small numbers of registered voters. Could this be a specific area? Give us some local info.

World’s cutest puppy at ~ 20 weeks

http://farm3.static.flickr.com…..4966_b.jpg

PS – It’s all dems in ‘08, as in ‘06, you all worry too much.

They’re going to go with the person they think can win in November, whether that is Obama or Clinton in their opinion. That will be the only criterion, is my guess.

After Indiana and NC is West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico and I believe Montana.

They might like their turn in the spotlight for once.

Or is voting only good for other folks?

Cute!!

What is that Puppie? a Yorkie?

“Not even the DLC can be that stupid”
___________

You wanna bet?

That is a REALLY cute puppy – I assume that it is yours. I am getting my puppy on the 30th and am so excited.

I don’t know where that came from. Booman is reporting “crazy ass” high turnout, at least in AA and wealthy white pcts.

Take my life. Please.

Well they will certainly vote- the issue is whether Obama dumps a lot of time and money into em or just coasts and turns attention to McBush. (I am originally from Oregon- so it’s nice to see a real primary there for a change- but they don’t need to have a zillion national reporters trampin around in order to have an election.)

I’m in Chester County and that’s a high dem turnout for a not so high dem. registration. Rather cool though that it’s almost 3-1 turn out for dems. Yeah, I know that McSame is uncontested—but Paul and Huck are still on the ballot here and there are down ticket races too.

And of course, there lies the problem. If we’re going to have a democracy, lets have a democracy.

We should count every vote equally without the contrived use of delegates.

No more voting with New Hampshire and Iowa more weighted than the coasts.

We should try to give everyone equal access to the same information and to the candidates so that nobody’s vote means more.

Isn’t that obvious?

Try this on for size:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCqpPj87ekE

no. no. just go to sleep for a few weeks and when you wake up it will be over. At least the primary part—we hope!

Of course the world’s CUTEST (not simply Cute!!) puppy is mine. His name is Che.

Spew alert! Man, cold water coming back out ain’t fun. ROFLMAO

Che is a “Borkie.” His dad was a Bichon Frise and his mom was a Yorkie.

Sure they do. It’s good for the economy doncha know? That’s why so many states pushed things ahead this year, trying to get in on the perceived economic impact felt by Iowa and NH.

You don’t think it was because the state governments actually cared about the voting process did you?

If the DLC was any dumber they’d get sold as a box o’rocks.

A “Borkie” named Che?

There is a law professor in Ann Arbor whose head is exploding.

I expect the large cities to have a big turnout. Wouldn’t his favor Obama? OK, I just anxious.

Nope–I always figured that it was about money for the teevee stations- but what do I know?

Well, it is about money for the TV/radio stations. And dead tree editions. But the Hotel/Resteraunt/Rental Car folks all want a cut too.

Any guesses about the margin?

I’m in for Hillary plus ten.

Yeah—all them reporters sittin up to all hours and gettin drunk as skunks is probably worth a bit of coin.

I have another prediction.. whatever the outcome- both candidates will declare victory.

are we there yet?

wouldn’t epu already have known that?

I’m gonna be interested to see how new registrations play out tonight. None of the polls account for those, and it would be funny in that ROTFLMAO kinda way if they broke for Obama and sent HRC into the dumper so deep that spinning would take her to China. :)

“Umbrella of Deterrence for all”, XXOO Hillary Poppins.

Whose hole did Punxsutawney Phil crawl back into?