Just as I predicted prior to Wednesday’s debate. As Jane Austen might say if she were a political pundit instead of a 19th century novelist, it is a truth universally acknowledged that a Democratic presidential candidate in possession of a minority of pledged delegates must be in want of a huge landslide victory in Pennsylvania.
On the one hand, the PA primary is huge because Hillary is running out of chances to make up ground. On the other hand, it’s maybe not so huge because the Democratic primaries aren’t all-or-nothing like the general election or the Republican primaries. So anything but a Monster Landslide Victory only cuts Obama’s lead by a handful of delegates… or maybe a couple of mutant handfuls:
As of now, I think that Hillary Clinton will garner 85 pledged delegates to Barack Obama’s 73. The best-case and worst-case scenarios that I laid out previously haven’t changed at all. While Clinton will be able to spin her Pennsylvania results as some sort of validation for continuing on, the margin of victory won’t be large enough to change the impending media narrative – namely, that her candidacy rests on convincing superdelegates that Obama is unelectable….
Will Hillary top that? Will it be enough to keep the drop-out-now sharks at bay? Well, probably not. A net gain of 12 delegates isn’t a whole lot, not with a 144 delegate deficit to make up, and only 566 total ordinary mortal delegates left to do it in (she’d need about 63% of them). Even the 18-point gain that PsiFighter initially predicted might not be enough to stop the drop-out drumbeat.
Worse yet, Hillary is running out of money:
The latest federal statistics showed that the Clinton primary campaign had fallen in the red as of March 31, with more debt than cash available for pre-convention spending. Mr. Obama, on the other hand, had $42 million available for the primary.
To use a sports analogy, Hillary is trailing in the fourth quarter and needs to make all of her three-pointers against a much more well-rested opponent (energy = money, in case it sounds like I’m referring to their actual physical conditioning). It’s not impossible, but it’s not easy, either.
Note1: If there are any PA primary voters out there whose vote was somehow interfered with or observe any troubling irregularities, please use this VoterStory widget to report it to voter protection groups.
Note2: I am at Pittsburgh Drinking Liberally tonight, but will rejoin the comments when I return, hopefully with some incredibly juicy and insightful local intel.
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ELI! Go Obama!
Hey Eli!
Hey Eli
Should we count how many times they say “close the deal” on msnbc?
Eli!
dugg yer post, eli
I dunno, she may be able to shoot a gun but how is her jump shot?
I think Rove really got hired by all the networks to commit fuckery…that’s the “real” deal….
Eli
nine more minutes!
LI xxxoo,Obama is leading here…so early
ELI xxxoooo
I wish I was drinking liberally tonight
i must go get wine,and Timmeh is full of shit!!!
Hey, Eli. I’m going to my first Drinking Liberally event tomorrow evening. Got to hurry home quickly, though because I’m taking the Democracy for America night school session on writing a field plan. Sounds like fun.
I won’t believe any of this is real until 1/20/09…that’s when we’re gonna know we are out of this frikkin’ nightmare for sure.
Hey Eli, fine post once again.
Been watching CNN for the last hour…
Big laughs, from a bunch of petulant pundits.
The fatassery is not taking a seat.
join me,in some vin ordinaire!
spot on sistah!
Digg here
Gotta admit I liked what Chris Matthews just said. They let Scarborough go on and on about how Obama just does not seem to be able to close the deal in the big states, and what’s wrong with him, and why doesn’t he seem to be able to win? Finally, when the camera turned to Chris (after Keith), Chris said that one reason that he just doesn’t seem to be able to win is cause he’s running against Mr. & Mrs. Democratic Party. I think that’s right! He’s not just running against Hill; he’s also running against Bill. Of course, if Bill keeps putting his foot into his own mouth and lying and such, that can and will change.
six minutes, I need some orange juice (the elitist kind)
shut up pumkinhead!!
HI wobbs!
boy, your blog is very nice,
you have a great reference library of links, too.
cant wait to see Pumkins’head explode when Obama gets the nomination
I’d like to know how good she plays Badminton. I bet I could kick her ass!
Yeah, someone just needs to point Bill to the corner and let him have a seat till this is over.
On another note…..
groan..Tom Brokaw
bom dia, sadlyyes
How goes things?
the wine & spirits shoppes are closed for the election :(
wheres our fearless leader (Eli)?
Do Pennsylvanians like being constantly painted as racists by these clowns?
Thanks, I’m having a lot of fun venting there. The reference library was put together by Gordon; he’s really diligent.
fairly good thank ya
Yup!
Drinking Liberally
“Hillary throws up a brick… front iron…”
neurophius – are you in Lawrence, KS or Topeka?
i shall drink twice as much for you,and me,and the greater good of our country
Eli is drinking liberally and will join us when he gets home, I think, with drinking liberally gossip.
aw shucks!
You do that, and I’ll take her down at backgammon.
hi theodore!
Heh, Too close to call!!!
In a word, no.
ahhh too close to call
msnbc: “too close to call” upon polls closing
thank you so much for taking the hit for me. I appreciate it.
I’m sure you’ll thank me in the morning.
OMG it’s 8:00 pm and MSNBC is in a twitter because it’s too close to call!
OMG OMG OMG~
you and chris are right. the reason obama can’t close the deal is because hillary refuses to believe the math…she has no chance, short of obama being caught with a 7 year old boy in his mouth, or a dead goat. or something.
she’s behind in (a) delegates (b) super delegates (c) money and most importantly (d) good will.
if she would drop out, (not saying i think she should, but if she did…) obama could close the deal in the entire country.
The way Olbermann and Matthews keep talking about the “over-under” and percentages of the popular vote, you’d think we weren’t counting delegates at all. More Chuck Todd, please, with the rational approach to delegate counting.
Eli, you’ve stolen my heart.
I agree that Scarborough is reprehensible, but Pat Buchanan is THE WORST. It’s clear that one of the Republican talking points is “why can’t he finish it off?” It’s been repeated by both Buchanan & Scarborough.
I too hate Timmeh. It does seem to me that Chris is on better behavior when KO is at his side.
Oh barf. here comes Tom Brokaw.
Pumpkin Head; ‘The actual voters get to decide…!’ Really? What a concept…!
Eli is drinking liberally and will join us when he gets home, I think, with drinking liberally gossip.
with the basketball analogy he was linking dribble ere he left.
No! We have big state with a tremendous amount of variability.
And the Constitution was created here, gosh darn it! :)
Okay, I need some guidance. Which coverage will make me less furious — MSNBC or CNN? Or does someone have a better suggestion. My fuse is fairly short at this point, and I can’t afford to buy a new TV if I wind up throwing something too heavy…
0% to 0% with 0% reporting
hahaha
make your break-up letter to Hillary
http://nicetrygiveup.com/
LMAO!
Lived in Lawrence for many years, (was just over there last night), but now I live in Topeka. Where are you?
hahahaha
“at 8:01 too close to call is not want Hillary wanted to hear.”
Terry Madonna -PA Pundit
LOL! I’ll happily take her down in Scrabble and/or golf. ;~)
Exactly. It just grates me when they insult the State that way. Racist or Sexist. Take your pick.
Absurd.
KO is on and loser Harold Ford has left.
Ahhhh yes, it’s “Too Close To Call” which means the primary has been fixed, but the Media Morons have to play it like it wasn’t. *rolling eyes*
It’s always easier to steal an election when it’s “close”.
Exactly… there goes that double digit nonsense…!
He’s drinking there so he won’t have to drink here
i can’t help you there. I watch MSNBC but only because KO and rachel are there. Is there a voice of reason over at CNN? I mean they DID just hire tony Snow
I’m thinking Parcheesi might be the breaking point for her. LOL We could really do some damage to her ego with that game. LOL
“msnbc: “too close to call” upon polls closing”
So, that’s good news for Obama, and bad news for Hill, right?
Bob in HI
They are trying to pull audience share from Faux. Good luck to them.
Yeah, but there’s Tweety, and Punkinhead, and Brokaw… [balling up her fist, and reaching for some rolled up socks to throw]
Tom Brokaw likes to let us know all the important people he talks to, “people who are interested in preserving their own political capital”
so who wins the Scrabble match between you and Marion?
There is also coverage on C-SPAN2
I’m watching The Young Turks coverage, viewing FDL comments and refreshing CNN’s webpage.
That works for me. :)
Young Turks:
http://www.theyoungturks.com
I prefer MSNBC overall but that doesn’t mean I actually like it…
so the people who “know such things” are saying.
some of those are very funny without being insulting to her gender, etc.
Mrs. Greenspan is with the Hillary party. Oh boy
Amazing how these pundits go on and on and on about how unfair it is to the voters who are in states that have not voted yet…how they should get to vote, etc. Meanwhile, they never say that the Giuliani supporters, the Romney supporters, the Huckabee supporters in all of these states should have had a chance to vote.
I’m in Lawrence until summer when I move to Butte, MT (just came back from there yesterday morning. 7 degrees this weekend and about 7 or 8 inches of snow. Hmmm…..
Yeah, I’m over at MSNBC for now, also. But I may chuck it and watch something with my youngest when she finishes her homework.
Andrea Mitchell sez the Clinton folks know they aren’t getting the big victory they need, although they are the **cough** underdogs.
Here’s an awesome MSNBC vote counter…
*gag* andrea mitchell
who is on over at CNN?
Many thanks for the head’s up egregious – just tuned in.
Tweety sez Ed Rendell is “the smartest guy around.”
Maybe when he’s alone in a room with you, Tweety.
Candy Crowley…! *gag*
But, but, but… IAOKIYAR, isn’t it?
IOKIYAR
She needs to back. away. from. the. camera.
Heh, heh!
I have a crush on KO. his liberal brain is sexy.
So how crazy is it that people are freaking out because 12 minutes after the polls close they can’t nail it down?
I remember going to bed as a kid with us not knowing if it was Nixon or Kennedy. And they are having vapors over 12 minutes into a primary!
ELI! Am drinking here liberally my OWN self, but watching each second while trying to iggy the pundidn’ts, and sticking w/ Olbermann and just trying to prep for my own rendition of a loss………
good to see you, dude!
i’m thankful for u.
:)
the difference between the mood at the obama rally and the clinton wake is striking…
aww hell
LOL!
Do you know if there’s something statewide instead of county-by-county? That one’s a bit TOOO detailed for me!
you’re not alone!
Noron with the exits. How irrelevant can she be?
sheesh!!!!
Somebody at the Obama campaign punked MSNBC’s Lee Cowan from their rally in Indiana — everyone was cheering big time when KO threw to him, in great contrast to the restrained Mrs Greenspan at Clinton HQ.
ROFLMAO *fell off chair*
hey they are talking about how you white folks are voting *g*
Clinton only leads by 10 points among white people?!
I am eating dark chocolate quite liberally
Noron sez Obama is getting 60% of the vote in Philly and its burbs. I wonder if that will keep the delegate count tied up?
60 percent of new voters went for obama
Here’s a link for live results,
it’s the ABC affiliate in Philadelphia
I never got polled—exit or otherwise so how accurate can they be?
They’re also talking about how all the old farts like me are voting… Not the way I voted, by the way.
Tony Snow?
What happened to Biodun?
ABC???? No way. Sorry Elliot.
THANKS!
Dreamy Patrick Murphy on MSNBC now….
He is on already, huh? Well I suppose Glenn Beck wasn’t enough in the asshole factor
Same here but now folks are used to instant gratification and want it all yesterday.
I understand, that’s why I noted that ;)
Were we laying bets somewhere? Put me in for Clinton 53, Obama 47.
Obama-Murphy ticket?
you think he is dreamy? what is it? the eyes? the smile?
Does a linky count? Now I’m feeling guilty… Does anyone know anywhere else to go?
hes mine all mine
I say four points
“Change” means “NOT A REPUBLICAN.” They don’t seem to be grasping that…
He’s gone.
I’m not sure, I know they signed him. I stays with KO and Rachel.
Never to return? That sucks…
“the difference between the mood at the obama rally and the clinton wake is striking…”
Do tell more. And the difference is…?
Bob in HI
He’s a congressman? I thought he was a college student…LOL…I am getting old
Put me down for very near 50-50.
According to CNN 57% of voters who say their primary issue is Iraq are going to Obama.
Oh, no, it’s his integrity. (Yes, and his eyes and his smile!)
Bob Casey sez Obama laid a strong groundwork in Penna for the General. But Casey doesn’t think it will be decided tonight. He seems in a good mood
He was a paratrooper in Iraq before he was a Congressman.
Marion, try this link… It says to check back later when they start posting them…
hehe intellectually stimulating
Just switched back to MSNBC. I’d rather watch a commercial than Campbell Brown.
He’s the only Iraq war vet in Congress.
Hey claimed racism on the lake.
He certainly has integrity – but that sorta lopsided smile’s a heart melter.
gawd!
i can FEEL the grays growin’ in!
sheeeeeeesh!
Obama rally: people cheering and waving arms in the air
Clinton wake: people standing silently waiting for the bad news
But now I’m not sure the Obama rally was in PA, may have been in Indiana?
aha, I thought so (integrity, that is) *g*
Wasn’t he one of our Blue Am candidates last time?
I bet he has nice arms and shoulders
Actually, you may be right… I just crunched the numbers from TPM on male/femle breakdown. Turned out to be about 1% tighter than my first prediction.
Bless you! Now I don’t need to feel guilty!
I’m sitting here with the biggest dumbest smile on my face as I read down through the comments. LOL You people crack me up!
yep, indiana…he will be there in an hour
“What happened to Biodun?”
IIRC, He wanted to be overtly partisan, and our Hostesses didn’t want to go there.
I’m a partisan for Jane and Christy! I like the “climate” that they’ve set here. Go to the Great Orange Satan if you want to talk trash… *G*
Bob in HI
right back atcha
I recall that, but then he was back commenting at least… In the morning threads for sure. He’s left again forever? That still sucks!
i’m missing everyone’s posts, and I care about them!
lol
howard Fineman is now a reddhead
Howard Fineman on MSNBC talking about Clinton’s financial dire straits
Tweety just said that Joe Wilson should pay for his own plane ticket when he campaigns for Hillary.
Tweety dissing Mark Penn! Funny that.
d r i f t g l a s s :
(shows youTube of boozy Who’s Afraid of Virgina Wolfe scene)
I talk plenty crap but it is policy based. I understand their decision and hope that he as well as some other folks return when this primary is over
These male commentators cannot talk about politics without sounding like serial killers: “the kill shot, strangling her”
It’s quite offensive, really.
Why am I thinking Hillary is right now down in Pittsburgh sporting a 6-shooter for good luck?
She’s relentless in her pursuit of the White House.
So did Phil call it right?
*g*
damit, I have to go pick up mr wobbs from his teacher meeting *sigh* the sacrifices I make for mother earth. *g*
Oh, pish tush… They’re only talking about a girl, after all. [SNARL]
Thirty minutes in, no call yet. Obama must be celebrating; if the east coast dailies go to print without a winner, he’s won.
in a figurative way
Very special people, those two. I’ll be happy to see them back as well.
Gosh — it just dawned on me. Is the Republican race too close to call too? /snark
NBC changes its characterization from “too close to call” to “too early to call.”
Keith say a lead for Clinton. Too early to call.
yo – just back from jail. Talked to 5 more certainly guilty (well, with one exception), but less morally culpable, persons than the candidates for the highest Office in the The Land.
Could someone please gimme a quick run-down of where things stand in PA?
MSNBC… Now “Too early to call”. Clinton in the lead
No.
The Republican race is “white”.
Too early to call for Hill…!
i have switched to cnn
Rachel!!
this is BS
Not much coming in with real numbers. Just lots of talking heads. Someone asked on a thread on Booman Tribune how people could stand to watch Tweety on a regular basis. His answer:
“Alcohol.”
Buchanan keeps positing the “big state” theory — that Obama can’t win them. What about a “big city” theory — will Hillary lose Philly to McCain, since she lost it to Obama?
I think not.
never mind…anderson cooper is a sophmore
WTF? 65% Hill and 35% Obama… with 0% ???
It is my understanding that FDL does not condone threats of violence. Your comments could be construed that way, even though I know that’s not what you meant…
Sadly, yes… (you had to see that coming, didn’t you?!)
Hurry back! ;-)
Too early to call for Hill…!
Well – we all knew that – margin?
and thanks.
Rachel seems a little amp’d
what
Write him on Facebook.
“Alcohol.”
LMAO!
Now, 66/34 with 0% reporting…
well sadlyyes
Oh, wow! We got results from one precinct! Let’s put up some numbers! [spit]
Relax. Meaningless early numbers.
The future’s uncertain
and the end is always near
“Doors”
Roadhouse Blues
It’s so “funny” they give out those numbers with no votes in yet. The media is a joke sometimes.
Yep, she sounded sick of all the crap the others want to talk about, so she listed the real issues and nobody said a word. Instead, they just went back to the main desk. When will she get her own show?
hey Raven – I just stole your “yo”.
Hopefully there are no hard feelings – at the moment I got about $12 in my pocket – please don’t sue me….
Marion is spitting! Excellent, girl. Feels good, yes?
Hell no. Let it roll baby roll. . .
Gotta love wifi, hello from my front porch.
I’ve been playing with the exit poll numbers put up by CNN, trying to get a sense for how close this is. From what they’ve posted, Clinton has a roughly 4 point lead — but CNN doesn’t show what the margin of error for their exit poll is! If you posit a 5 point margin of error, we could be looking at anything from a narrow one point Obama surprise win to a comfortable but not runaway nine point Hillary win.
If I were running the show for one of the networks, looking at rough numbers like that, I certainly wouldn’t call the race.
Behind the scenes, they are pushing and crunching the numbers in more detail. Part of this will be checking to see if the mix of voters in their sample accurately reflects the turnout in key precincts. For example, if they set up the sample with a 30% urban, 40% suburban, 30% rural mix but the actual voting results start to show a 35%, 35%, 30% mix, then they’ll refigure their exit poll numbers to take that into account.
I have a feeling this is going to be a long night.
She’ll never get her own show if she insists on talking about the real issues.
Howdy Eli. If it were basketball, I’d be leaning towards HRC. But in politics and reality, not so much.
Unfortunately, probably not until pigs fly.
Luzerne Co and McKean Co. have tallied 300 votes
I see.
Thanks.
Ya know, Harold Ford and Joe Scarborough make my teevee’s IQ go down.
That sounds lovely. Lucky you. ;-)
I just can’t watch JoeScar or Harold Ford. Sorry. Had to change the channel.
Look where I was surfing from a few weeks ago.
Scarborough is despicable. He said one day that he is paid to sound that way. Well, he does.
((( Eli )))
Evenin’ all !
Jeebus, remind me again why we have JoeScar and Harold Ford on TeeVee …
Teh stooopid…it burnnns.
Hell no. Let it roll baby roll. . .
Oh well that’s a different story then. I hereby announce plans to sue you on behalf of the Estate of Jim Morrison.
sorry – tired – just fuckin’ around….
I’m going to the kitchen to make myself a quesadilla.
Picture in picture is the key, Smoltz threw his 3,000 k!
I need something with a higher alcohol content.
Chris Bowers sez:
KayinMaine, I was looking at the previous thread. Texteen and Cassie have never seen a record player in use.
Ha! You ever seen the picture of Jim and Van at the Whisky?
I’m envious of you too! The computer lab (that’s what my son calls it LOL) in my house gets stuffy some days and it would be so nice to be outside to blog.
Because the voters in FL and TN refused to send them to Congress again.
Oh God. Campbell Brown or Noron?
Arsenic or Strychnine?
God, you’re making me feel like a geezer.
Oh, thanks! Now I feel even older than I am!! Actually, about 20 years or more ago I was asked “what’s a record” by some kid in a music store. All he knew were tapes or CDs.
Wha? Are you serious! Well, I’m not surprised. There’s a whole generation who have never pricked their finger on the record player needle nor have they kinked the tape in the cassette. These kids don’t know what they’re missing! LOL
Yes, but it takes two people (besides me) to get the chair out there or back into the living room. And these days I live alone half of every week.
bella donna?
I think I’m addicted to listening to Scarborough and Tweety and Ford. I get such a fight or flight response…mostly fight…kinda like being on a rollercoaster. I know they talk sh*t on purpose, but it makes me nuts that they influence the country….I feel I have to monitor them to listen for more outrageous crappola….Oy vey…*g*
KayInMaine_209 Well it is Earth Day, and the bugs ain’t out yet, so why not.
TexBetsy, that looks so comfortable. I’d love to have a chaise out here but no room.
Jeebus, remind me again why we have JoeScar and Harold Ford on TeeVee …
Just a theory – but I think it’s the teevee manufacturers, knowing good and goddamned well that I’m gonna be throwing stuff – lookin’ to sell new teevee’s.
Fox News has called it for Clinton.
I think Norah has matured in her work, more serious and effective. When KO came to fdl for book salon and defended her, it made me take a second look.
Bill Jabba Bennett
we are.
You don’t want to know the weird looks I got when Texteen was asked to make a phone call on great grandpa’s rotary phone.
you crack up my shit
Keith saying Hillary is projected to win at this point.
whhhha
Oye ! You’re a brave lass …
Ooh. That is close.
I want Obama to win!
ct fla,and Penn …suck big time
Called it for Clinton – MSNBC
Hysterical you have to go through all that just to blog outside, but really, it’s worth it. The evening tonight here in Maine is nice and cool. I’d love to be out there blogging right now.
Millineryman, I’m not looking forward to the mosquitoes. Here in Maine we call them the State Bird.
its 10% according to cnn
Actually I believe Joe Scar did as he promised he would do and left Congress voluntarily after I believe 3 terms.
I remember that as well. I was a HUGE JFK fan. Still am, even knowing what I know now.
3% in…Oh come on…..
rub a bounce dryer sheet on your arms & legs and the mosquitos will mostly leave you alone.
These guys are playing this like a Reality TV show … a very boring Reality TV show …
50/50 now
Interesting, at 3% reporting, Obama is gaining.
I think he’s going to win and the media is making it dramatic to keep viewers tuning in. If they reported he had won 60-40%, we’d all switch over to the local knitting match between grandmothers because it would be more interesting than watching them for crying out loud! See?
47/53
Really? I’m going to try that when the time comes! Thanks TexBetsy for the tip. ;-)
fingers crossed
oy …i cant watch
I know Joe didn’t run for reelection, and I’ve heard various reasons why he did that, but never that he had made a pledge not to serve more than three terms.
WJC: But all the smart people are voting for Hillary …
I think he was one of the crowd who promised to term limit themselves in the R Congress Class of ‘94 and he stuck with it.
Mine too. ;-) I did a post recently that included a video of an Amish guy saying he’d rather vote for Obama than for a woman (Hillary obviously). Whoa.
I could be wrong, but I do think he’s going to win tonight.
We’re all upstairs … with Martinis …
Laughing so hard I scared the cats awake. Too fuckin’ funny. Roooolllll another one…
OK, I’s extremely late to this democratic party, but…
Am I the only one who doesn’t think the Times 4 Kidz cover photo looks right? Why only 3 Dem candidates to the Pugs’ 5? Weird!
FunnyDiva
PS:
ELI!!!1!!!