Comments on: The Media Want A Frenzy. The Voters, Not So Much http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:56:32 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: SueN http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405684 SueN Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:24:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405684 <p>“Hillary didn’t follow the rules as she’d signed on to do, THAT is her own fault.”</p> <p>Interesting. Since you are from Michigan, please clarify what rules she didn’t follow there? Assuming that you were among the over half million democrats who voted that day (incidentally, some 164,000 votes were cast during the 2004 democratic primary in MI), you probably noticed that Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich and Hillary were listed on the ballot. There are some, partisans no doubt, who think that Obama and some of the other candidates at that time removed their names just to make it possible to deny Hillary a paper victory (and momentum) in MI. Apparently tracking polls in your state in Jan had Hillary at 56%, and the results from the “election” gave her 55% of the 594,000 votes cast.</p> “Hillary didn’t follow the rules as she’d signed on to do, THAT is her own fault.”

Interesting. Since you are from Michigan, please clarify what rules she didn’t follow there? Assuming that you were among the over half million democrats who voted that day (incidentally, some 164,000 votes were cast during the 2004 democratic primary in MI), you probably noticed that Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich and Hillary were listed on the ballot. There are some, partisans no doubt, who think that Obama and some of the other candidates at that time removed their names just to make it possible to deny Hillary a paper victory (and momentum) in MI. Apparently tracking polls in your state in Jan had Hillary at 56%, and the results from the “election” gave her 55% of the 594,000 votes cast.

]]> By: applelight11 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405664 applelight11 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:49:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405664 <p>“Clinton Captures Crucial Win” in large font is what I see on the Yahoo! home page right now.<br /> “Clinton Claims Victory in PA Primary” on CNN. Just look at a book ‘Campaigns, Media, and Governing in the 21st Century’:<br /> <a href="http://dealstudio.com/searchdeals.php?deal_id=98819&ru=279" rel="nofollow">http://dealstudio.com/searchde.....038;ru=279</a> , The media just loves a horse race. But I thought that the candidate needed 2,025 electorial votes to win.</p> “Clinton Captures Crucial Win” in large font is what I see on the Yahoo! home page right now.
“Clinton Claims Victory in PA Primary” on CNN. Just look at a book ‘Campaigns, Media, and Governing in the 21st Century’:
http://dealstudio.com/searchde…..038;ru=279 , The media just loves a horse race. But I thought that the candidate needed 2,025 electorial votes to win.

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405596 bigbrother Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:26:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405596 <p>CodePink and Democrats.com present a Town Hall With David Swanson in Oakland<br /> Submitted by dswanson on Thu, 2008-04-10 19:58. Impeachment | Peace and War<br /> “Are Peace and Impeachment Possible?”<br /> April 24, 7-9 p.m., Grand Lake Theater, 3200 Grand Avenue, Oakland<br /> Reserve tickets: Grand Lake 510-452-3556 . $10 at door; $8 advance (Black Oak Books, Pendragon Books) Sliding scale:unemployed, students, retirees.</p> CodePink and Democrats.com present a Town Hall With David Swanson in Oakland
Submitted by dswanson on Thu, 2008-04-10 19:58. Impeachment | Peace and War
“Are Peace and Impeachment Possible?”
April 24, 7-9 p.m., Grand Lake Theater, 3200 Grand Avenue, Oakland
Reserve tickets: Grand Lake 510-452-3556 . $10 at door; $8 advance (Black Oak Books, Pendragon Books) Sliding scale:unemployed, students, retirees.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405539 cinnamonape Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:23:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405539 <p>The last precincts that haven’t been counted are in Philly and Chester County so I would expect that any shifts would actually be in the direction of Obama. But it will be minimal. I think it’s gonna stay 9.5% unless there are absentees or something still out.</p> The last precincts that haven’t been counted are in Philly and Chester County so I would expect that any shifts would actually be in the direction of Obama. But it will be minimal. I think it’s gonna stay 9.5% unless there are absentees or something still out.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405534 cinnamonape Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:18:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405534 <p>Actually looks impossible to cross the 10 point barrier. But it didn’t mean much anyways.</p> Actually looks impossible to cross the 10 point barrier. But it didn’t mean much anyways.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405531 cinnamonape Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:15:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405531 <p>The differential in Florida -if you distribute the 185 delegates (minus the “Uncommitted “) would give Obama 63 and Clinton 93. That’s a 30 delegate differential. If one allows Edwards delegates in the mix (about 27) and allow them to “vote their conscience”) it could make the outcome closer. But Obama has a 100+ delegate lead right now. He’d still lead if you allow the elected Florida delegation in…and if you split Michigan…there’s no net change. If Edward’s delegates go predominantly for Obama (as they have elsewhere) then we are really talking about no real difference.</p> <p>This is precisely why the Uncommitted Super Delegates should step in pretty soon and end this. The rules Committee should punish the POLS in Florida and Michigan but allow the elected delegations in. And the Super Delegates should look at the numbers and realize that the Florida and Michigan issues are really not very relevant. </p> <p>Hillary really needed a massive win tonight to win substantial delegates to make the math catch up…even with huge turnarounds in every later state. </p> <p>I really don’t think the Super Delegates want to have this go into Puerto Rico, which cannot even vote in the US elections, and have IT be the delegation that decides the nominee? That would be a field day for the Republican Party, methinks. And the ABC would just love bringing up Bill Clinton’s pardons of Puerto Rican Independence terrorists to “balance” their skewering of Obama about Wm. Ayers. Snuffle’s could talk about how he’s really just being fair and balanced…and ask McCain if he thinks Hillary is really a patriot if her husband is out there freeing bombers who wanted PR to break away from America.</p> The differential in Florida -if you distribute the 185 delegates (minus the “Uncommitted “) would give Obama 63 and Clinton 93. That’s a 30 delegate differential. If one allows Edwards delegates in the mix (about 27) and allow them to “vote their conscience”) it could make the outcome closer. But Obama has a 100+ delegate lead right now. He’d still lead if you allow the elected Florida delegation in…and if you split Michigan…there’s no net change. If Edward’s delegates go predominantly for Obama (as they have elsewhere) then we are really talking about no real difference.

This is precisely why the Uncommitted Super Delegates should step in pretty soon and end this. The rules Committee should punish the POLS in Florida and Michigan but allow the elected delegations in. And the Super Delegates should look at the numbers and realize that the Florida and Michigan issues are really not very relevant.

Hillary really needed a massive win tonight to win substantial delegates to make the math catch up…even with huge turnarounds in every later state.

I really don’t think the Super Delegates want to have this go into Puerto Rico, which cannot even vote in the US elections, and have IT be the delegation that decides the nominee? That would be a field day for the Republican Party, methinks. And the ABC would just love bringing up Bill Clinton’s pardons of Puerto Rican Independence terrorists to “balance” their skewering of Obama about Wm. Ayers. Snuffle’s could talk about how he’s really just being fair and balanced…and ask McCain if he thinks Hillary is really a patriot if her husband is out there freeing bombers who wanted PR to break away from America.

]]> By: UnconventionalConventionist http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405523 UnconventionalConventionist Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:06:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405523 <p>I have yet to hear from either Clinton or Obama the whole scope of the job of REPAIR that needs to be done for our country.</p> <p>IMO, each takes a small slice of the problems, addresses and that’s it. There’s not a big vision by either candidate, for instance health care. You’ll get access to insurance under either’s plan, but will you get CARE? You’ll definitely get to pay into a plan that will help some corporations coffers. Yuck.</p> <p>And FISA? They both fail IMO. The list goes on. We should lower expectations on the Prez race, and focus on down ticket races. That’s where the Progressive action is IMO.</p> I have yet to hear from either Clinton or Obama the whole scope of the job of REPAIR that needs to be done for our country.

IMO, each takes a small slice of the problems, addresses and that’s it. There’s not a big vision by either candidate, for instance health care. You’ll get access to insurance under either’s plan, but will you get CARE? You’ll definitely get to pay into a plan that will help some corporations coffers. Yuck.

And FISA? They both fail IMO. The list goes on. We should lower expectations on the Prez race, and focus on down ticket races. That’s where the Progressive action is IMO.

]]> By: tw3k http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405516 tw3k Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:04:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405516 <p>oops, I was thinking about this one: <a href="http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=588&thisview=item&renewx=2007-11-29+09%3A53%3A06" rel="nofollow">Republican supports impeachment</a></p> oops, I was thinking about this one: Republican supports impeachment

]]> By: RobZuber http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405511 RobZuber Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:02:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405511 <p><em>In fact, if he could have held her to less than a 5 point win tonight, it would probably be over.</em></p> <p>Sure, and if she could have won Super Tuesday, it would be over! Your argument is invalid. You are singling out certain states where Obama “needed” to win.</p> In fact, if he could have held her to less than a 5 point win tonight, it would probably be over.

Sure, and if she could have won Super Tuesday, it would be over! Your argument is invalid. You are singling out certain states where Obama “needed” to win.

]]> By: RobZuber http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405509 RobZuber Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:00:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/22/the-media-want-a-frenzy-the-voters-not-so-much/#comment-1405509 <p><em>Only 1 percent of the precincts outstanding- looks as if it will end Hillary plus ten point.</em></p> <p>Current PA DoS numbers (98.40% reporting):</p> <p>CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) 1,222,919 54.3%<br /> OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) 1,027,315 45.7%</p> <p>That’s not a 10 point win at this moment.</p> <p><a href="http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/</a></p> Only 1 percent of the precincts outstanding- looks as if it will end Hillary plus ten point.

Current PA DoS numbers (98.40% reporting):

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) 1,222,919 54.3%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) 1,027,315 45.7%

That’s not a 10 point win at this moment.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

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