In the midst of all the hand wringing about how "the primary must end," I’ll admit that I mostly want it over just because I’m tired of it. But as Holly Yeager points out over at The Prospect today, having high turnout in states where primary results usually don’t matter is giving Democrats a tremendous advantage when it come to voter identification:
Each time a new registration form was completed, McQuarrie said it was photocopied at the local Obama headquarters before it was turned in to local election officials. That’s standard operating practice, but with 300,000 new Democrats registered in the state since the start of the year, the information collected — and entered into campaign databases — is staggering.
McDonald said switching party registration and voting in a primary send strong signals about a voter’s intentions. "Seeing this marker laid down in a primary that somebody will participate means that yes, they are definitely going to be there in the general election."
No matter who the Democratic nominee is, their campaign will have access to the DNC’s file, and will likely tap these core voters, McDonald said. "Between now and the general election, they are going to go back and mine these people for volunteers and donations."
But while the data collected throughout the primaries will help identify reliable Democratic voters, it will also help the eventual Democratic nominee know which voters still need to be persuaded. "This information allows Democrats to shift their resources more toward expanding their base," McDonald said. "The McCain campaign is going to have to spend some resources just to identify its supporters."
I wrote yesterday about Catalist, the Harold Ickes database supported by MoveOn, labor unions and other organizations and its growing sophistication. Separate from that, the DNC also announced details in its new Neighborhood Volunteer Program, which begins phased rollout this week. Basically, if you go to the DNC site to volunteer and punch in your address, the names of 25 of your neighbors will appear on the screen. The system will ask you for any information you have about them that can be used to target them for outreach.
All of this is making the Democrats competitive with the Republicans, who have had a leg up in their ability to drill down into voter information for years with their Voter Vault, which they’ve been developing since the mid-1990s. As irritating as the extended primary battle is, it may wind up actually giving the Dems a tactical advantage in the general.
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I’m tired of the damn thing to. Guess I could just IGNORE it.
Good points.
Seems to me that the real issue is: How many Republicans are voting for Clinton. When these people re-register as Republicans, it will be interesting to see how many there really are.
While I, too, am tired of it, I think we shouldn’t make too much of an issue of trying to end it via super delegate intervention. That disrespects the remaining states and the potential for further voter registration.
I do agree with this post from Allison Kilkenny, that Obama should start focusing more on McCain and less on Clinton.
Yes, this allows us to get a good understanding of the political lay of the land in these late primary states.
…it may wind up actually giving the Dems a tactical advantage in the general.
A tactical advantage? WOW. Something the Dems have not had in a long time.
Hell Ya! I’ll vote for those! :)
How many undeclared superdelegates are there left?
Working from a target list is the best. You can work efficiently and get to know people on your list. The Dems have really been working hard getting their act together. Bless the volunteers. They make thins happen. In Nevada every name, address and phone number is updated. It’s called “working smart”.
Besides volunteers, the Dems have employed lots of people. In this job market that is an act of kindness.
Note: I always leave my cell number and people do call me back when they have a question. They have their personal go-to. At the caucus, people on my list came in asking for me. I was their gal. This connection was going on all around me. We became a community.
Whoever wins will hve a serious work force of volunteers behind them. It is just so much nicer when that person is your preferred.
Well, I’m going out to pick up some beer. I believe I’ll need it later.
John Edwards still has his deligates in his pocket. He’s playing a cool hand.
Thanks, Jane!
This will be a good resource for local use!
Bob in HI
local teevee showing long lines of students (lots and lots of AAs) waiting to vote. Good signs of energy aplenty.
That’s a very good thing.
I really wanted to write him in today and thought long and hard. But Hillary has so turned me off that I just couldn’t do it.
Forgot about them…
JRE has, what, about 27 delegates?
Hardly enough to matter.
just voted on OBAMA in 30 seconds go do it…moveon.org
For those of us with patience an inch long, our heads can start working on Edwards 68 deligates. I still just love him and Elizabeth. What a team they are!
I’m not tired of the democratic process. I’ll go live in Russia if I ever get tired of that.
I’m tired of endless punditry by folks with no more claim to fame than that they once went on a beer run for the Nixon campaign back in the seventies.
I’m tired of seeing “the math.”
I’m tired of being told what “America is thinking” by people who are further removed from an average American than Ann Colter is from a Y chromosome (which isn’t actually that far, in retrospect).
I’m tired of Joe Scarborough….God! Am I tired of Joe Scarborough.
I’m really tired of actually thinking that Pat Buchannon doesn’t have his head entirely up his ass. I’ve spent years thinking the man was an operative tool for the establishment and when he starts making sense it freaks the hell out of me!
But, other than that, it’s all good. Let ‘er buck!
Tweety: Lieberman was a terrible, terrible, terrible running mate with Gore.
When the history of this thing is written- I suspect that Hillary will be fingered for absolutely blowing away her chances at the nomination. She had a BIG lead as long as there were three major candidates- so she assumed that she would win and began positioning toward the center way too early. When Edwards dropped out she had created a huge opportunity and most of the Edwards vote went to Obama. BAD mistakes
No one would argue against that now.
Excellent points.
I also feel the self-revealing aspects of a contonuing primary add to our understanding of candidates, tho I agree that Obama AND Clinton should turn their sights on McCain, both of them need to think beyond … momentary ‘advantage’ … and direct the attention of the people towards McCain and the critical issues which they already agree on (assuming they would be willing to do so, in public) as this will cue (?) the msm, who probably would rather just be St John’s ‘base’, that the msm will make utter fools of themselves if they don’t become more substantive in their questions and their coverage. The Dem candidates actually have some ‘leverage’, but only if they make use of it; ‘teaching moments’ for those who have the wit to grasp them, HRC, I’m talking to you …
Buchanan and Scarborough can BOTH make sense if they do the play by play and not the color commentary…they’re both pretty damned good…but hopelessly gooper.
Crap. I think I may agree with Tweety.
I have to go get pithed.
John, agreed. I’m also tired of being told that what is important is what freaking beverage Obama ordered in a diner, or how often Clinton goes to church.
I think the increased participation, the increased feeling that their state makes a difference, is all good for the democrats.
Too bad it’s being overshadowed by silly season garbage.
At this point, if the remaining states and the uncommitted superdelegates want to choose the best nominee, why don’t the candidates unload on McCain full-time? Show us how you’d campaign against him in the fall, give us a preview of your plan. Stop carping at one another, stop debating one another (thank you, NC, for cancelling your debate!) and just give us your best general election performance.
precisely.
I think Clinton’s entire campaign has been about the General all along, which is why it’s turned off so many liberals and Democrats.
lmao!
*twinkle*
(activist gesture for “yes”)
Agreed. Turn the phasers on McTheuselah.
hi jane-” Separate from that, the DNC also announced details in its new Neighborhood Volunteer Program, which begins phased rollout this week. Basically, if you go to the DNC site to volunteer and punch in your address, the names of 25 of your neighbors will appear on the screen. The system will ask you for any information you have about them that can be used to target them for outreach.”
i don’t like this so much, in fact, not at all……there are people who like their privacy and i don’t like this tactic of asking neighbors for information that you don’t want released yourself……if they want to know about these people, they should call them up and ask them. and who knows where this list is going to end up.
i’ll go to the site and see exactly what they ask, i may be jumping the gun with my comment, but on face value it smacks of a violation of privacy in my book. and gave me creepy crawlies down my spine.
spying/reporting information on/about my neighbors to help the democratic party with their election strategy? isn’t there something wrong with that scenario?
Ding.
I will admit that I was amazed…AMAZED, mind you…to find out that black dudes don’t spend time in lily white bowling allys soaking up bad light beer and worse pepperoni pizzas.
I mean, if you can’t bowl more than a 37 in 7 frames; it’s like you’ve never even bowled before or something. I could stand to see about six more hours of footage and speculation over bowlgate.
It sounds almost, dare I say it? Rethuglican.
Clinton has been doing just that all along.
i’m guessing that regardless of what happens today in PA, Obama will start acting tomorrow like he’s the presumptive nominee. No way Clinton will win big enough to actually challenge him, esp’ly with NC and IN coming up next. the last couple weeks has been an effort to show he can erode a 20pt margin. which he’ll have done today, no matter whether Clinton loses, ties, or wins by 5 or 8 pts. The rest of it is media horse-race noise.
the superdelegates can count the money. And that race is over …
So, time to turn on mcsame!
I have no idea why I have my portfolio report sent to me daily. I must have a serious masochistic gene lodged near my third eye. QG, don’t look at that! I need more than dark chocolate now.
yes.
i hope it’s not what it seems like from this quick description.
This is the Mrs. Kravitz scenario; to which there is only one valid response, “Sam, I’m home. I’m making martinis, you want one?”
Tweety’s wrong, as usual, and just spewing what he thinks is the conventional wisdom so he can sound up on it all.
Lieberman didn’t cost Gore the election. Dems liked Lieberman back then. Tweety is ascribing a current attitude to a previous time when it didn’t exist.
Bad journalism, as usual, from Matthews.
I think given their inherent strengths and weaknesses they have both run good campaigns. Early on and through at least Wisconsin and the Mid-Atlantic primaries Obama’s campaign was considerably better than Clinton’s. Since then, she has picked up her game and he has lost a bit of his edge.
Neither do I. That starts to get too personal. I prefer a neighborhood across town. Maybe your local can have an exchange program with other parts of town.
I think there is one quite positive outlook for this prolonged Dem race. I hope it may help them rethink the nomination/primary process. The excitement in places like TX and now PA has involved people who have for a long time had no place in the primary. That leaves all interest dead/dormant until the general. Maybe the Dem. officials can do something to gear the primary in a way that more of our states are seriously engaged. Like TX, the people in PA are excited and engaged. Assuming we trust us some democracy, that is a good development.
I gave him up for lost long ago. Won’t waste my time on him. West Wing reruns are more informative. WAY more informative.
You know, if our primary was over, the cable gasbags would have to talk about something else, like maybe the Torture Club at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, or the VA suicide coverup, or detainee drug-gate, or Prenzit Chucklefuck’s historically low ratings, or worldwide food riots.
Nothing that Chris Matthews and Chris Wallace can’t handle, but not as substantial as bowling-gate or cleavage-gate.
Is a bit of an ick factor here.
If the process continuing does nothing more than highlight the absolute need for a paper voting trail, then it will have been worth the trip.
Well, you raise a good point. That’s why here in Hawaii that information is restricted to Party officials, down to the level of District chairs– who can share the info with precinct officials if they want to.
A long-standing local problem is that the number of people who *vote* Democratic vastly exceeds the number who register as Democrats. People here have acquired an aversion to the party. If they find out that their info is passed around in this way, they might be even more reluctant to become members.
So this info, if you get it, should be treated with care and respect!
Bob in HI
well, i went to the neighborhood volunteer program link and it took me to the dnc page, with a mention of the program, where they mention tools that will be available for door-to-door gotv, but not the information gathering part…….and nowhere on the page could i find info or a form for the program………or the thing where you enter your info and get 25 neighbors…..wanted to see what the questions are and if they are things that someone should be asking about my neighbors.
if anyone finds one, let me know.
Fuck, there was a cleavage gate? Damn! I missed that.
Wise choice.
I too stopped watching him a while back. Iconic of the sorry excuse for what passes as journalism now.
I think it is amazing how really close the votes for the two candidates have been.
Me thinks you underestimate their ability to focus on the irrelevant.
Cleavage-gate was early on.
ROFL: Ederly Hillary supporter on The News Hour with a Hillary sticker stuck to her forhead, only it’s upside down! Lol.
here ya go
– more –
no, please, less.
Less is more.
We had trouble with DNC wanting to dictate to the local volunteers what they should say. I hated their script and didn’t use it. It pried. My own script respected the people I called. Most of us made up our own and exchanged good ideas. DNC hasn’t a clue what the locals are about. They read charts and numbers but don’t understand the culture.
“After all, it wasn’t until the early ’90s that women were even allowed to wear pants on the Senate floor.”
Think about it.
People have been doing it for years in a non-virtual way, that’s what voter ID’ing is.
What’s new is the ability to do it via the internet.
No problems reported in Lehigh, Berks, Northumberland counties
Steady turnout, consistent lines: Philadelphia, Montgomery, Lehigh, Berks, Northumberland counties
World’s cutest puppy in an “action profile” photo:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com…..c9c5_b.jpg
For me, the problem with the endless primary is that I’m not paying attention anymore. My mind’s made up (was a awhile ago), so why should I continue to watch the inane debates?
Once we get to the Obama-McCain debates, however, I’ll be glued to the screen waitin’ for McCain’s maccaca moment. Will the kindly old white man call Obama “boy” or will it be a simple “fuck you, you little jerk?”
Meanwhile, Obama, cool as a cucumber, will say he just wants to focus on the issues.
Oh, it’s gonna be great.
EPU, I keep telling you – Che needs to star in his very own photoblog!
He is so adorable.
They’re gonna have McThusula so drugged out to keep him from blowing his stack he’s going to seem like he’s in a fog. Maybe even worse than he comes off now if that’s possible.
He may some day have his own photo and political blog
Lol.
For those who missed the lintel inscription:
Lactation Will Make You Free(er)*
(* of persistent organic pollutants)
Cuz you KNOW his insight has got to be better than any gasbag I can find on my teevee!
MSNBC just put up some polls a few minutes ago that refutes your theory, Teddy. It showed that both the Obama and the Clinton voters consider electibility in the single digits in regard to what they’re looking for in a candidate. One was 8% the other was 9%, I believe. As expected, Obama voters considered change to be the most desirable virtue; Clinton’s saw experience and the most valuable.
the calmer Obama stays the madder McCain’ll get. it’s a very effective technique.
works for me.
I’ve been finding “top ten” lists of McCain macaca all over the internet.
From a conservative blog!
boston herald top ten blowups
Of course, I think we’ll have to update this list soon for all the little jerks who want a spot.
Which also means that Senator Obama’s “surrogacy” is going to be doubly important.
You don’t think that bowling is popular in black neighborhoods? I’d guess the opposite. Obama, of course, didn’t grow up in a black neighborhood.
Che is, unsurprisingly, omniscient.
Buchanan just said that Indiana is “bibles and guns”…say wha????
Right after he was questioning whether Obama’s “bitter” (bibles and guns) comments hurt him….
These people are wacked.
here’s just one privacy issue i’ve been privvy to–friends have had problems with it too……
i had to fill out a disability form once, first four pages were medical, specifically personal enough, records and personal routine, but they were entitled to that,,then on the last page, was a whole page long consent form…..slipped in among the items was permission to access my bank records, release to talk to my friends, my family, my neighbors…yes, my neighbors..seriously. but they didn’t even ask for names, they were just going to pick at random i guess……i thought of my one neighbor who couldn’t stand me because i helped his wife once and thought, oh yeah, he’ll like this!
i asked my dad–my bank records, they can do that????? he said that was to see if i had any ’extra’ income, a sign i was working, i said what about the check you give me? (he was helping me at the time, thanks dad) he said do you cash it or deposit it? i said deposit, he said don’t do that…that yes, they would investigate it to see where it was coming from.
i felt stripped naked by strangers hands.
i was so disgusted because i have always been to the bone honest and was being treated like a criminal, with no rights to privacy whatsoever. they already knew how often i went to the bathroom and what i ate for breakfast and every hair on my head through my medical records, now they could talk to whomever they wanted in my life, without informing me of whom they had talked to-that was in the release form, too, and i had no say in it. i get along with my family, but what about people who don’t? what if a well meaning but not so articulate friend says something that can be taken an entirely different way?
i was so disgusted, i said this has to be illegal, my dad and i discussed it for a while, he said, you don’t have a choice, they’ve gotcha.
it was mandatory to sign it to get my disability reapproved. how did i get around it? you could fax the form or mail it in……so, my doctor’s office faxed it and accidentally left off the last page. we waited to see if they would send it again, they didn’t….
========
and i can’t count the phone calls i’ve gotten about people who have moved-all kinds of questions, one after the other-collection people i guess looking for them, i always say no idea, didn’t really know them that well…..
=====
when i worked for the phone company, for a while i had the lovely job of reclaiming phones that people took with them when they moved…i went all over the place, collected thousands of dollars of phones…..this was back when people rented them from the phone company….you wouldn’t believe the information i could compile to find someone from just public records. you wouldn’t believe it. you would be appalled, and that was before the internet…..
information that used to be deemed private is now public, so anytime they say a list is private, don’t believe it, not forever it isn’t.
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so, when stuff like this comes up, that’s why i get out the spunky bullhorn (h/t es) cuz unless you’ve had a reason to know this stuff, you wouldn’t……
Knows right where you keep the treats, does he?
I’d love to hear him slip in a round about dig about warmongering…that really will set McCain off…he hates the warmonger tag…I wanna see McCain lose his temper…
i don’t care about bowling. I don’t plan to bowl with any of them, or have a beer with them, or enjoy their family recipes. I want someone who will respect the constitution, end our occupation of iraq, avoid starting more wars cause they funnel money to their buds, treat the rest of the world w/ respect and integrity.
tastes in recreation, enjoyment of shooting small or large animals, speeches given by religious figures, etc. just don’t matter.
i know … i know … preaching to the choir …
How fun is that for a dog?
I can hear him now: “What do you mean ‘where’s the bone? find the bone, Che!’ I already know where the bone is. I. Am Omniscient. And I also know about that operation you want me to have. Not gonna happen.”
Not many options for meds there.
Nearly all the meds that could possibly decrease irritability in adults will compromise cognitive function via sedation.
Sadly for McCain and his brain, he appears wholly lacking in the reserve capacity that would allow him to conceal further impairment of cognition (thinking/memory/concentration).
last time I checked, indiana was a lot about meth. at least along the terre haute corridor … just a drive-by impression… but, having your main employment opportunity be running a meth lab might leave you a little bitter
Oh, I’m having a nostalgic moment…remembering the popped squirrel in my dorm…mmm hmmm.
Some have defected. Obama picked up some about a month ago.
#5, had a scuffle with 92 year-old Strom Thurmond?! You’ve got to be fucking kidding me!
Interesting.
Holy Cow! Meth labs?
I was about to say the Hoosiers love their hoops and obama loves it too.
So basically he has a choice between looking angry and looking stupid?
Omniscience doesn’t apply to many things, such as gnawing on a marrow bone or fetch, which are favorite pastimes.
And as for find the “bone,” even if he knows where it is, which is does, he still has to dig it out.
So he has lots of fun.
Yup, and I want to see Obama point the “change” message at McCain, while Hillary points her “experience” message at McCain. Electability isn’t the issue I’m focused on, it’s the campaign each candidate plans to wage.
Me, I think Obama’s waged the campaign he’ll wage in the fall. Hillary will have to completely re-tool, since “Ready on Day One” doesn’t work against somebody who has three times the Senate experience she does.
You will, Juno, respect the fact that I have seen things rather differently from you, I hope.
My take is that Clinton has been ‘posturing’ and not taking McCain to task in any way, indeed to my ears she has been cozying up to a far too destructive attitude toward what matters to me.
Bandying the nuclear ‘threat’ is not about leadership or conscientious concern for peace, diplomancy or fundamental responsibility for consequence.
It is far more akin to rootin’ tootin’ gun-totin’ tough talkin swagger.
I’m tired of cowboys, and I am decidedly not fond of cowgirls at the moment either.
Bear that in mind.
You’ve a right to your opinion, for that is what it is. Simply because you annouce your ‘position’ and opinion as fact does not make it so.
I’ve shared my OPINION with you, and you may take it or leave it. That is the only FACT relevant to anyone’s opinion.
Yep…or perhaps between “more angry” and “more impaired”
If anybody knows any veterans out there, and, they’re in dire straits please refer them to this number I posted… 1-800-273-TALK (8255) VA’s Suicide Hotline
my drive-by impression is a couple years old. But, some very weird vibes there around terre haute, some sketchy activity on the part of the cops … and following that, I did see reports that rural Indiana was top of the nation for meth labs … of course, there’s lots of meth action in western colorado. nice side effect of local energy development and extraction …
Needless to say…save that…*g*
I can’t get over the trollop/c*** thing to his wife.
He’s very verbally abusive. That is clear. She behaves like an abused wife.
looks like he’s choosing to do both to me. not an either/or choice ;)
Well I don’t care too much about bowling either- haven’t done it for years- but I just got a bit curious about the demographics of the “sport”. I would have thought that it would be popular in african american neighborhoods- but I’m not sure. Hispanic?
She sure does.
Really…the numbers are astounding!!!
That did occur to me – as soon as I hit submit!
jane at 61
”People have been doing it for years in a non-virtual way, that’s what voter ID’ing is.
What’s new is the ability to do it via the internet.”
yeah, but isn’t that done with the individual voter?
how it was worded up top is different from that. the internet shouldn’t give a new way for invasion of privacy and call it voter id’ing
big difference between the two in what it is in practice.
you want your neighbor answering questions about you on your behalf?
i can understand contacting that person, but having their neighbor answer it for them?
what my neighbor wants to say about themselves is their business, not mine.
but like i said, until i see the form, i may be jumping the gun, but if it is as you describe, it’s ugly in a multitude of ways.
i posted a followup at 51–i was unable to find the page for neighborhood volunteer program that you were talking about…..the one where the 25 names pops-up.
can you direct me to it?
Well, I live a rather sheltered life. I was stunned to learn that a good friend of mine had a neighbor running a meth lab and everyone knew but the cops couldn’t go in because of lack of “due cause”. I think the wife finally turned on her hubby because of child abuse. really awful stuff that one doesn’t expect to turn up right next door.
The cover-up is despicable, but, I wanted to point out that there is help out there instead…!
i knew i felt a shift in the force today….
mccain was in n/e ohio today. youngstown.
that list is everywhere. He’s the GOP’s own Bobby Knight. Hey, another Hoosier reference!
gtg.
I’m so, so glad you did.
Well said.
Che still absolutely adorable, I see!
That is actually pretty funny…
Youngstown – Unitary Executive
He’s even cutester; it’s true.
f*ck it dude, let’s go bowling …
I wonder if people can even afford to go bowling anymore…
OK—Wonder if my bowling ball still fits?
Mahalo, I know a bunch of them here, and, I’m gonna spread the word around to them as much as I can…!
I hate it too, but it’s what one has to do to become president in this country.
She knows it.
I just wanna win in November, and I don’t care how she (or Obama) gets there.
Ok, I don’t mean to pile on but there’s a site that looks like a comic gold mine.
nicetrygiveitupcom
1,820 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen DWBartoo:
Very nice post but I am sad when opinions here hafta be massaged, edited, monitored and vetted to make sure that no one is too upset and takes it too personally. In fact, when most of us advance our opinions into the FDL marketplace of ideas, we expect that they are gunna contradict, confront or generally make others uncomfortable and a little less complacent.
Now, you were expressin’ an opinion that shouldn’t have had ta be qualified as such and was “negative” in nature…that is to say, expressed why you were disposed against a candidate. As long as there are facts, actions or behavior that are used as elements of argument and no one is characterized for holdin an opposite opinion, there should be no need to rewrite your opinion to take the clarifying emotion out of it.
Good post…next time with a little more feeling, fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!
Bob Schiefer on the CBS News was breathless by the revelation that a sizeable number of Clinton supporters are unlikely to support Obama if he is the nominee. The corporate media is so affraid of Obama, the biggest threat to their celebrityhood and 7 figure salaries.
The dude abides…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mPt…..re=related
(salty language alert for the Puritans)
Uh-oh, Juno, is that a crack in your veneer I detect…? ;-)
Agree
That’s why she’s in big trouble now- she looked ahead way too soon and then looked down and discovered she was in deep shit after Edwards left the contest and Obama picked up most of his twenty percent.
broken link?
Priceless scene!
margot at 83–lol
evil one–that is one cute puppy….i saw the pic in the last thread, too. and the other one when he was a wee’bit……some things skip a generation, eh? rofl…….
i just bought my dog a dog bed recently, big enough for her to really relax and lounge in it, took a while to find just the right one, removable covers, etc….right price, etc….she loves it…….one of the cats sleeps in it at night, exactly in the center…..funny.
The phone keeps ringing, annoying my pup who is trying to take a nap. She looks VERY annoyed.
and of course, there is the ever popular fuckin’ short version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqtgfjkB6Pg
I love how Jane referred to this primary season as the “Thirteen Month Pregnancy”. Exactly! That’s exactly what it feels like.
sounds like a strategy meeting with Hillary’s advisers.
That better not be even close to accurate… (situational ethics rant deleted).
Jane, I see a distinction *with* a difference. Communicating this kind of data on line is potentially fattening 3rd party data bases we might not care to feed — and with other peoples’ personal info, shared with neighbors. This is the party we hope will draw lines re: privacy and surveillance.
Obama was doing just fine with Edwards in there. Barack might not have gotten as delegates in places like CA, but then again, Edwards might’ve kept some delegates from Clinton as well. Not sure we’d be in a much different scenario had Edwards kept going…
Yup, and the real work comes when the kid is born.
The upside of those new Dem voter rolls doesn’t cancel out the bitter (yes bitter) downside of the prolonged Obama-Clinton fight because McCain is getting a free ride. All those new Democratic voters could just as easily vote for McCain. Why? Because he is seen as independent, maverick, not-a-real-republican choice. As long as McCain gets to rest on his very old laurels, all the new voter registration numbers are meaningless. JUST BECAUSE THEY RE-REGISTERED AS DEM, THEY WILL STILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN. Most of America sees McCain as Not Bush.
I think it’s actually why momentum has shifted to her. Obama’s inevitable cracks showed, and people now have doubt. Everyone always knew Hillary.
Going with a lofty, nebulous theme is risky.
heck, at thirteen months, that kid would be born a toddler!!!
No, why? That’s been my position all along.
My recollection is that Clinton was in the lead until Edwards dropped out and then things switched- but I may be misremembering.
Is there a parallel here? Hillary planned on wrapping things up on Super Tuesday and then campaigning against the Republican nominee. Her game plan assuming a SuperTuesday finish was to ignore the left and hug the center, which is a normal thing to do AFTER the convention.
When that didn’t work, she didn’t have a Plan B, and her campaign has been struggling ever since.
Who else went into a major field operation requiring huge resources and didn’t have a plan B?
Who is it that is supposed to have the experience necessary to cope with unexpected emergencies?
Hmmmmm….
Bob in HI
Bingo! It all boils down to the independents and the coprporate media will continue to paint St. McCain as the independent makerick. That plays well with an electorate that is easily duped and manipulated. 4 more years of a Republican administration will either move the U.S. closer to a true class war or the final clamp down of a fascist regime. Make sure your travelling papers are in order.
Your analysis seems accurate to me.
claim is that the exit polls show newly reg’d demos going 60% for obama …
Hopefully, we haven’t given birth to a monster. Yikes!
Frightening!!!! LOL
NO CHIT! That was brilliant, and stated in words what I “feel” is the case, and
she never gave much thought to after February. WHAT A MISTAKE.
And NOOOO!
I do NOT want a prez who doesn’t HAVE A PLAN B!!!!!
excellent, bobschacht and rwcole!
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Citizen Juno:
“I just wanna win in November and I don’t care how she (or Obama) gets there.”
First of all, that statement is disingenuous since most of your arguments for Mrs. McClinton assert that because of her methods, behavior and tactics she is more electable (which of course flies in the face of all pollin data that show Obama and not McClinton as more likely ta beat McCrazy).
Secondly, the “I don’t care who it is or how they do it, I just wanna win” argument is what has put the Democratic Party in the position of runnin’ colorless and odorless Republican lite candidates and has given the folks like the DLC and Rahm Emmanuel (both creatures of the McClintons) the poer to vet our candidates for office. This “I don’t care about substance” argument is intellectually dishonest and it shows a condescending attitude toward American voters and Democratic Party values as bein’ mutually exclusive.
I for one will not vote for Mrs. McClinton if she steals the nomination because I don’t believe she is a Democrat and would be the death of the new, emerging Democratic Party that is tryin’ ta leave the politics of triangulation behind. There is are good reasons why she is behind in all categories in this primary race: her pro-war record, her pro-corporate appologetics, her condescending attitude toward labor and the progressive left and her embracing of John McCain over her fellow Democrat.
And I feel that those who support her in light of her successful courting of Richard Scaife, her declaration of nuclear war against any foe of Israel and her smack-down of MoveOn, hafta distance themselves from these actions or be labeled with them.
KEEP THE FAITH AND STAND UP FOR YOUR BELIEFS BUT DON’T ATTACK OTHERS FOR NOT HOLDING THE SAME!!
ls–yeah, that’s what was funny, youngstown…….man.
NorskeFlamethrower
Your comments here at the Lake always rock! I’m a fan! Who are you?
And this was correct and well put, sir, (or Madame).
Norske we’re on the same page, and knowing you, as I have come to do through your comments, and considering you thoughtful, honest to a fault, utterly fearless, yet fair, I am sore perplexed to understand what you might have said, for most of us shall never know, that raised the hackles of RBG whom I have come to consider fair and thoughtful as well.
Considering what I felt were gratuitously arrogant and disrespectful comments from a certain poster, not to mention several certain Clinton supporters, whom, truth to tell, I actually like; I have begun to suspect that civility is has been battered, indeed. Plus a wiff of fear in the air, perhaps?
Much appreciation to you Norske, as well as tremendous respect.
I’ve no qualms about loosening the barrage, just awaiting the propitious moment or moments.
I just want to make sure I’m clear here:
You admire this Norske person for saying that Clinton supporters should be labeled in some way, for actually targeting individuals on this site for criticism, and for saying outright that he will not vote for Clinton if she’s the nominee…
…but my noting that Obama supporters have repeated a claim that Clinton praised McCain and said he would be a better choice than Obama was outlandish?
Interesting. Perplexing, but interesting.
Citizens Siri and DWBartoo:
Thank you for the kind words…I don’t post here to make friends (though I could certainly use some sometimes around here) and I hope that you feel that no matter what you think, you have a right to express it (here or anywhere) and know that I will alwayz fight like hell for your right to say it.
No, it is NOT what one has to do to become President.
In fact, it is exactly what one should not do to become President …
Mindless, destructive verbiage and dishonorable behavior neither implies competence or character nor commends capacity.
Period.
ty, Norske.
i might be bolder still, knowing you will support that right!
hehe
Where do I say it implies competence or character?
I don’t. It doesn’t.
If Obama is the nominee, I hope he’ll throw the proverbial kitchen sink at McCain. Of course, that’s a predicament since he says he’s against it (even though he does it) and his supporters say they’re against it (even though they do it).
Sigh.
All you need do around here is support Obama.
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Citizen Juno:
“…Obama supporters have repeated the claim that Clinton praised McCain and said he would be a better choice than Obama is outlandish.”
To paraphrase a legenardy fascist American President: “there you go again.”
The only thing outlandish about the claim that Clinton praised McCain and said he would be a better choice than Obama is that she made the claim, for God’s sake! This is what has been come to be known as “Clintonism”, that is: make a lethal and outlandish attack on your opponent and then attack you opponent for having the audacity to call you on it! And, might I add, that most of the attacks she makes are against other DEMOCRATS fer Christ sake…why didn’t she say that Obama would make a better president than McCrazy before and not after she said the opposite?
KEEP THE FAITH, THAT SHIT DON’T WORK WITH ME!!
No, Juno I respect and appreciate Norske because he deserves it, not for his opinion, but for his character, his courage and the fact that his Bull Shit meter functions extremely well.
I could say that that is my opinion, but actually, those are the facts.
You might or might not value those things, but I do.
In friends, such as Norske, and in Presidential candidates.
Wow.
Read up on echo chambers and double standards.
Am I to gather, then, that you have some expertise in these matters?