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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Late Nite: Yup, I&#8217;m Ageist</title>
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		<title>By: gtomkins</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1401122</link>
		<dc:creator>gtomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Get used to it&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I mean presidents older than 70.  More and more people are surviving, and in better and better health, well into their 80s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, we shouldn’t tolerate presidents with even early dementia, as Reagan obviously had on assuming office (the bit about missiles being recallable was an undeniable memory lacune), and of which McCain gives some, but much less clear, evidence.  But only a minority of even 80-year-olds have dementia or any sort of mental impairment.  I don’t think that the national supply of politicians with good sense is so huge that we should arbitrarily exclude even one potential good president on the basis of some arbitrary rule — not when the over-70 contribution to the candidate pool is going nowhere but up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can weed out the elders who might have cognitive difficulties by using the exact same criteria that every voter should use on every candidate of whatever age.  Do they make sense, or not?  We might have weeded out Dubya if enough voters had done that due diligence, and no one thinks that his cognitive difficulties have anything to do with age.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get used to it</p>
<p>I mean presidents older than 70.  More and more people are surviving, and in better and better health, well into their 80s.</p>
<p>No, we shouldn’t tolerate presidents with even early dementia, as Reagan obviously had on assuming office (the bit about missiles being recallable was an undeniable memory lacune), and of which McCain gives some, but much less clear, evidence.  But only a minority of even 80-year-olds have dementia or any sort of mental impairment.  I don’t think that the national supply of politicians with good sense is so huge that we should arbitrarily exclude even one potential good president on the basis of some arbitrary rule — not when the over-70 contribution to the candidate pool is going nowhere but up.</p>
<p>You can weed out the elders who might have cognitive difficulties by using the exact same criteria that every voter should use on every candidate of whatever age.  Do they make sense, or not?  We might have weeded out Dubya if enough voters had done that due diligence, and no one thinks that his cognitive difficulties have anything to do with age.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1401084</link>
		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Age is not a disqualification. Strom Thurmond, for example, served in the Senate for a number of years as a cadaver.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age is not a disqualification. Strom Thurmond, for example, served in the Senate for a number of years as a cadaver.</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no way for us to know..because Sen. McCain refuses to release his medical records…just how bad off he is. But as someone who cared for two elderly parents, I can tell you that he is showing all sorts of symptoms that scare me to death if he somehow got to be president: The shaky hands(Parkinson’s Disease?), the personality disorders(PTSD? MID?), the seeming lapses of memory. We won’t even discuss his recurring skin cancer. This is a man who, it is very sad to say, really should not be in public service at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way for us to know..because Sen. McCain refuses to release his medical records…just how bad off he is. But as someone who cared for two elderly parents, I can tell you that he is showing all sorts of symptoms that scare me to death if he somehow got to be president: The shaky hands(Parkinson’s Disease?), the personality disorders(PTSD? MID?), the seeming lapses of memory. We won’t even discuss his recurring skin cancer. This is a man who, it is very sad to say, really should not be in public service at all.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkseye36</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1401052</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkseye36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also am 72 and recall Pearl Harbor because of the turmoil in our household and my father saying that he would have to leave soon.&lt;br /&gt;
There may be some people who would be able to be good Presidents in their 70’s, but I am not one of them, and neither is McCain.  Neither was Reagan.&lt;br /&gt;
In addition, I think McCain suffers from PTSD and needs counseling.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am 72 and recall Pearl Harbor because of the turmoil in our household and my father saying that he would have to leave soon.<br />
There may be some people who would be able to be good Presidents in their 70’s, but I am not one of them, and neither is McCain.  Neither was Reagan.<br />
In addition, I think McCain suffers from PTSD and needs counseling.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1401023</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You ought to get off the “too old” schtick. it doesn’t really hold up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not going to disagree with your prior comment, except to say that, by definition, age is something to be considered in a number of different qualification settings, and that McCain’s age in and of itself may not be a factor in electability, but &lt;strong&gt;his age and its outward manifestations&lt;/strong&gt; is, in my opinion. Yes, it’s subjective, but not unimportant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MaCain is, by many qualified accounts, a very cranky bastard, or, a “prick”. He may well have had physical confrontations with colleagues and subordinates. If you consider age as a factor in, for instance, whether someone is less patient or capable of intense concentration, it’s worth considering.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You ought to get off the “too old” schtick. it doesn’t really hold up.</p>
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<p>I’m not going to disagree with your prior comment, except to say that, by definition, age is something to be considered in a number of different qualification settings, and that McCain’s age in and of itself may not be a factor in electability, but <strong>his age and its outward manifestations</strong> is, in my opinion. Yes, it’s subjective, but not unimportant.</p>
<p>MaCain is, by many qualified accounts, a very cranky bastard, or, a “prick”. He may well have had physical confrontations with colleagues and subordinates. If you consider age as a factor in, for instance, whether someone is less patient or capable of intense concentration, it’s worth considering.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1401022</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i should say that i do realize that Helen Thomas isn’t ninety even though she is older than St. John by a nfumber of years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i should say that i do realize that Helen Thomas isn’t ninety even though she is older than St. John by a nfumber of years.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1401020</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;there are people who are ninety years old who have their full faculties about them. some of these people are actually smarter and wiser and more alert than Rick Santorum and Nancy Pelosi and George W. Bush. Helen Thomas, for one. You ought to get off the “too old” schtick. it doesn’t really hold up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are people who are ninety years old who have their full faculties about them. some of these people are actually smarter and wiser and more alert than Rick Santorum and Nancy Pelosi and George W. Bush. Helen Thomas, for one. You ought to get off the “too old” schtick. it doesn’t really hold up.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1400996</link>
		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think the post is serious about endorsing ageism, but a better title might be “Yup, he’s too old”. (I do think he may be too old). Ageism is a serious issue, however, and as a 70 year old I don’t want to listen to 7 months of mean-spirited jokes about alzheimers, can’t get it up, creaky joints (he IS a torture survivor after all), etc. I don’t mean any of the comments here. The problem is when banter edges into insensitivity to the elderly, the belief that old people are worth less as human beings, their ideas are automatically invalid and can be dismissed, they are inferior, employment discrimination, etc. I couldn’t do the President’s job, but some people McSame’s age probably have the stamina for it. Hell, I can barely get through the primary, even as an observer. His mental functioning seems pretty bad, however, (even for a Republican), so I’ll go with short-hand “he’s too old” as long as it doesn’t degenerate into real ageism. I’m tempted to call him an “old fart” myself, but I’ll try to stick to his other glaring deficiencies without resorting to that.&lt;br /&gt;
I do actually remember Pearl Harbor, although I didn’t understand it; it must be one of my earliest memories.&lt;br /&gt;
Your Grandmother may be reading everything you write on the internet. Think about it. :) Get off my lawn!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think the post is serious about endorsing ageism, but a better title might be “Yup, he’s too old”. (I do think he may be too old). Ageism is a serious issue, however, and as a 70 year old I don’t want to listen to 7 months of mean-spirited jokes about alzheimers, can’t get it up, creaky joints (he IS a torture survivor after all), etc. I don’t mean any of the comments here. The problem is when banter edges into insensitivity to the elderly, the belief that old people are worth less as human beings, their ideas are automatically invalid and can be dismissed, they are inferior, employment discrimination, etc. I couldn’t do the President’s job, but some people McSame’s age probably have the stamina for it. Hell, I can barely get through the primary, even as an observer. His mental functioning seems pretty bad, however, (even for a Republican), so I’ll go with short-hand “he’s too old” as long as it doesn’t degenerate into real ageism. I’m tempted to call him an “old fart” myself, but I’ll try to stick to his other glaring deficiencies without resorting to that.<br />
I do actually remember Pearl Harbor, although I didn’t understand it; it must be one of my earliest memories.<br />
Your Grandmother may be reading everything you write on the internet. Think about it. :) Get off my lawn!</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/20/sunday-late-nite-yup-im-ageist/#comment-1400891</link>
		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Buck up buckaroo - TRex is a dinosaur and you’re a distinguished FireDog. Life is good. ;~)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buck up buckaroo &#8211; TRex is a dinosaur and you’re a distinguished FireDog. Life is good. ;~)</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Beautifully stated SunnyNobility! I like to think I wouldn’t wish any infirmity on John McCain but that doesn’t  mean I don’t suspect he exhibits signs I associate with early dementia and/or hardened arteries.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully stated SunnyNobility! I like to think I wouldn’t wish any infirmity on John McCain but that doesn’t  mean I don’t suspect he exhibits signs I associate with early dementia and/or hardened arteries.</p>
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