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		<title>By: anonosassin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399729</link>
		<dc:creator>anonosassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An organized conspiracy to commit murder for profit through a deliberate fraud. Nothing more or less. We must distribute the entire article as widely as possible through the net, as the broadcast media are sure to ignore it.  Can you hear Goebbels laughing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An organized conspiracy to commit murder for profit through a deliberate fraud. Nothing more or less. We must distribute the entire article as widely as possible through the net, as the broadcast media are sure to ignore it.  Can you hear Goebbels laughing?</p>
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		<title>By: gannonguckert</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399592</link>
		<dc:creator>gannonguckert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem here is that since CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS (forget mentioning FOX) are participants in this egregioury (I just made that up!), the story will go nowhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, well…it was just a great try at democracy, just the founding fathers’ attempt at implementing a couple thousand years of Western civilization, as distilled during the Enlightenment…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is that since CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS (forget mentioning FOX) are participants in this egregioury (I just made that up!), the story will go nowhere.</p>
<p>Oh, well…it was just a great try at democracy, just the founding fathers’ attempt at implementing a couple thousand years of Western civilization, as distilled during the Enlightenment…</p>
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		<title>By: pmorlan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399576</link>
		<dc:creator>pmorlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This was the comment that I left on the NYT website concerning this expose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you NYT for this excellent investigative piece.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“In turn, members of this group have echoed administration talking points, sometimes even when they suspected the information was false or inflated. Some analysts acknowledge they suppressed doubts because they feared jeopardizing their access.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This very same sentence could be used to describe some of our journalists who are supposed to report on the Bush administration but instead run interference for them. How sickening to find that we have so many unethical people in positions of trust that are so willing to let themselves be used as tools for the propaganda of this administration. Their enormous greed and pitiful desire to cozy up to power is truly pathetic. In my book these poor excuses for human beings are nothing but traitors to our country and should be treated as the pariah’s that they’ve allowed themselves to become.&lt;br /&gt;
— pmorlan, Kentucky&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the comment that I left on the NYT website concerning this expose.</p>
<p>Thank you NYT for this excellent investigative piece.</p>
<p>“In turn, members of this group have echoed administration talking points, sometimes even when they suspected the information was false or inflated. Some analysts acknowledge they suppressed doubts because they feared jeopardizing their access.”</p>
<p>This very same sentence could be used to describe some of our journalists who are supposed to report on the Bush administration but instead run interference for them. How sickening to find that we have so many unethical people in positions of trust that are so willing to let themselves be used as tools for the propaganda of this administration. Their enormous greed and pitiful desire to cozy up to power is truly pathetic. In my book these poor excuses for human beings are nothing but traitors to our country and should be treated as the pariah’s that they’ve allowed themselves to become.<br />
— pmorlan, Kentucky</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399561</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(and cinnamonnape)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
BTW Wasn’t Vallely the General/Analyst that said that Ambassador Wilson told him that Valerie was a CIA agent?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes. To my knowledge, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Vallely&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vallely&lt;/a&gt;’s The Guy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also of interest: “Truth from These Podia” by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sam_Gardiner&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sam Gardiner&lt;/a&gt; (available at link). This is the legendary document copies of which  Amb. Joseph Wilson used to distribute publically wherever he could, in the early days of the war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, is it still illegal for the US Government to distribute propaganda domestically?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(and cinnamonnape)</p>
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BTW Wasn’t Vallely the General/Analyst that said that Ambassador Wilson told him that Valerie was a CIA agent?
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<p>Yes. To my knowledge, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Vallely" rel="nofollow">Vallely</a>’s The Guy.</p>
<p>Also of interest: “Truth from These Podia” by <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sam_Gardiner" rel="nofollow">Sam Gardiner</a> (available at link). This is the legendary document copies of which  Amb. Joseph Wilson used to distribute publically wherever he could, in the early days of the war.</p>
<p>By the way, is it still illegal for the US Government to distribute propaganda domestically?</p>
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		<title>By: FormerFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399548</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, same Vallely. I played golf with him once. Nice enough fellow on the golf course, but then again, I didn’t have anything that would be of use to him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also was interested to see if he would be called during the Libby trial, but alas, it didn’t happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, same Vallely. I played golf with him once. Nice enough fellow on the golf course, but then again, I didn’t have anything that would be of use to him.</p>
<p>I also was interested to see if he would be called during the Libby trial, but alas, it didn’t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: tryggth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399531</link>
		<dc:creator>tryggth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Check out this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prwatch.org/documents/truth.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PDF&lt;/a&gt; and especially the section near the bottom where Rendon is reported to have said: “The retired people in the networks had too much control of context.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this <a href="http://www.prwatch.org/documents/truth.pdf" rel="nofollow">PDF</a> and especially the section near the bottom where Rendon is reported to have said: “The retired people in the networks had too much control of context.”</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399526</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This should be made into some sort of film short…have the comments of these “analysts” presented…followed by their financial ties to lobbyists and the emails that they were sent or received from the Pentagon. Then show the disasterous errors of what they were saying as “truth”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW Wasn’t Vallely the General/Analyst that said that Ambassador Wilson told him that Valerie was a CIA agent? And here he is receiving word from the Pentagon on what to shill? And he knows there is a quid pro quo to his statements.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmm! Interesting that the Libby defense never brought Vallely forward in his trial…I bet that a certain prosecutor would have been all over the fact that Vallely was covertly on the Rumsfeld meal-ticket…and perhaps on Cheney’s.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be made into some sort of film short…have the comments of these “analysts” presented…followed by their financial ties to lobbyists and the emails that they were sent or received from the Pentagon. Then show the disasterous errors of what they were saying as “truth”.</p>
<p>BTW Wasn’t Vallely the General/Analyst that said that Ambassador Wilson told him that Valerie was a CIA agent? And here he is receiving word from the Pentagon on what to shill? And he knows there is a quid pro quo to his statements.</p>
<p>Hmm! Interesting that the Libby defense never brought Vallely forward in his trial…I bet that a certain prosecutor would have been all over the fact that Vallely was covertly on the Rumsfeld meal-ticket…and perhaps on Cheney’s.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399499</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to FDL today. I posted this on EW but will post here also because I really would like to know if the laws and rules for retired government officials have been diluted as much as it sounds like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marcy, I read the complete NYT article on ‘Rent a General’ and wasn’t very surprised by what I read with the possible exception of the feigned surprise on some of their parts that they being manipulated by DoD. I have met and worked with hundreds of senior officers and DoD civilians and most of them are intelligent to know when they are being used. The morality of the individuals is another subject.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One thing that shocked even cynical me was the apparent loosening of the procurement laws and rules for retired people. When I retired I had a lawyer in the Pentagon that I had to run every potential job I was thinking about taking for conflict of interest. Some of the restrictions were for a year, some for three years, some longer and some were even lifetime restrictions if I had been the source selection authority for the contract.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems like some of the stuff I read sure looks suspicious based on the rules when I retired. I left in 1992. Does anyone know if the rules have been diluted that much?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to FDL today. I posted this on EW but will post here also because I really would like to know if the laws and rules for retired government officials have been diluted as much as it sounds like.</p>
<p>Marcy, I read the complete NYT article on ‘Rent a General’ and wasn’t very surprised by what I read with the possible exception of the feigned surprise on some of their parts that they being manipulated by DoD. I have met and worked with hundreds of senior officers and DoD civilians and most of them are intelligent to know when they are being used. The morality of the individuals is another subject.</p>
<p>One thing that shocked even cynical me was the apparent loosening of the procurement laws and rules for retired people. When I retired I had a lawyer in the Pentagon that I had to run every potential job I was thinking about taking for conflict of interest. Some of the restrictions were for a year, some for three years, some longer and some were even lifetime restrictions if I had been the source selection authority for the contract.</p>
<p>It seems like some of the stuff I read sure looks suspicious based on the rules when I retired. I left in 1992. Does anyone know if the rules have been diluted that much?</p>
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		<title>By: ElGatoNegro</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399448</link>
		<dc:creator>ElGatoNegro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT, I realize… but, knowing what sort of Gato Daivd is, I think he’d agree that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/19/gingrich-left-wing-of-the_n_97584.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is right up his alley&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, I realize… but, knowing what sort of Gato Daivd is, I think he’d agree that <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/19/gingrich-left-wing-of-the_n_97584.html" rel="nofollow">this is right up his alley</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/19/when-sock-puppets-rule-our-media/#comment-1399339</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some of us have to work *harder* than the rest of us.  Best, Peterr.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us have to work *harder* than the rest of us.  Best, Peterr.</p>
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