zed

showoff.

Okay, I’m bitter.

Hi Jane. Is “entourage” an upscale word for “groupie”? /s

Temptress comes to mind.

It seems like they really think everyone’s gripe about the debate is that the media was mean to Obama, how could they miss the point so spectacularly unless it was intentional.

This Newsweek poll can’t be good news for Clinton.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/132721

I’m sure Clinton supporters will grasp for whatever scraps there are to comfort themselves but there is very little and it’s very cold. The take home message is: Put a fork in her, she’s done.

Quite the one two punch, Glenzilla and Jane Hamsher.

Dare I predict a cooberrative project in the future?

It seems like they really think everyone’s gripe about the debate is that the media was mean to Obama, how could they miss the point so spectacularly unless it was intentional.

It’s what happens when you live in an echo chamber.

Ha! Thus, the posts headline. :)
Happy Passover. It starts today, doesn’t it?

Besides, these guys are pretty critical of ABC at one point in the article…

This is not to say that ABC’s performance was flawless.

Ouch, burn!!!

What I can’t figure out other than wanting to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be (Gibson and Stefalumpamus) at ABC and of course the RNC what two print media “journalists” (and yes, I do use that word with regret) why Harris and the Pool Boy are flogging that mess. Seems with all the talk of a shitty job done by G&S, they’d be arguing the case for why they should be the next moderators.

Oh, and Jane FDL should sponsor a debate. A candidate that declines? Chickenshit. And public opinion would reinforce that. An FDL debate on PBS would be a watershed event in American politics. Truly.

The WeatheUndergroundSheik just had a rally with 35,000 in attendance. Monday night he’s doing Jon Stewart.

Tuesday will be a bad day for Billary.

Don’t you get their tandem emails?

Brooks also had some column over at the NYT about Obama falling to earth. I refused to read it. I gave up tripe for Lent and am trying to get an early start on next year. Basically, the Right wing is trying to create a narrative that Obama has feet of clay and work in in some way that’s not too obvious that he’s black. So far they seem to have had a frustrating lack of success. But they are trying.

This evening, yes. Thanks.

My carrier pigeon flew off and never came back.

Then again, Gallup had a poll that said the exact opposite.

From HuffPo:

A high-ranking labor supporter of Hillary Clinton is distributing to union leaders and to Democratic strategists a document detailing the radical activities of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, two former members of the ’70s group the Weather Underground, who decades later, in Chicago, crossed paths with Barack Obama.

The document – a three-page emailed essay by Rick Sloan, communications director for the International Association of Machinists as Aerospace Workers (IAMAW) — takes both literary and political license to outline what Sloan believes would be the thrust of a hypothetical Republican campaign against Obama focusing on his tangential connection to Ayers and Dohrn.

The goal of the essay appears to be to discredit Obama as the prospective Democratic presidential nominee…

Oh, SHIT! I was in Chicago a few times. That must make me a Weather Underground Sympathizer.

I can’t believe how weak this stuff is.

Maybe Obama and Hillary can agree to lay off each other and limit their teevee spending for the rest of the “campaign”.

They should agree that neither will go after superdelegates and that if he steps on his dick hard before the convention, supes can vote for her…

that’s the only chance she has anyway.

What I can’t figure out other than wanting to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be (Gibson and Stefalumpamus) at ABC and of course the RNC what two print media “journalists” (and yes, I do use that word with regret) why Harris and the Pool Boy are flogging that mess.

It’s all about millionaires defending millionaires so that they can all stay millionaires, oh and tell us what to think.

Brooks is such a partisan superdick- and he only writes columns about the dems lately.

Good morning Jane, you provocateur …

‘Morning all, a beautiful day in Pittsburgh.

Hope you are all well-rested and ready for the next exciting ‘devilment’.

May there be good will amongst the ‘partisans’ today?

I’m a couple of chapters into Glenn’s book, and it’s a great read. Excellent tear-down of the John Wayne myth.

Bein a millionaire ain’t such a big deal nowadays…

Put half of it in a house, and you’ve got an income of $20,000 per year for life out of the other half…We’re talkin poor house here!

I’d like to see some income tabulations for the major MSM “news & opinion” personalities.

My contempt for John Wayne knows no bounds.*g*

I’ll take it!

But it has only been in this campaign cycle that we have seen the liberal echo chamber — from websites like The Huffington Post and cable commentators like Keith Olbermann — be able consistently to drive a campaign story line.

Can anyone remind me why we in the liberal echo chamber want the storyline to be “the Maverick against the bitch” or “the Maverick against the secret-muslim-radical-christian-commie-fascist-uppity boy”.

You would think we would come up with something a little better for our decided campaign “story line”

At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the “activist base” of the Democratic Party — and MoveOn.org in particular — for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had “flooded” state caucuses and “intimidated” her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post…

Want some cheeeeeeze with that “contact sport” whine?

You would think we would come up with something a little better for our decided campaign “story line”

Example?

contempt comes in so many different shades of nuance. :~)

Well if anyone would know about echo chamber driven stories, it would be VandeHei and Harris.

This just made me laugh out loud.

Standing on the stage of Founders Hall at Haverford College this afternoon with her mother Kerry, the four-year-old tyke was supposed to introduce former first daughter Chelsea Clinton, who would in turn introduce her famous mom. But when the big moment came, Sonya buried her face in Kerry’s blouse. “No,” the girl murmured. “Go ahead, Sonya,” said Kerry. “No,” she repeated. “Are you going to say Chelsea Clinton?” Kerry asked. At that, Sonya finally looked up, leaned toward the mic-and licked it like an ice-cream cone. She giggled. “Okay, “Kerry stammered. “I’ll say Chelsea Clinton.”

Completely understandable, said Hillary when she took the stage a few moments later. “You know, Sonya exhibited the way that I sometimes feel standing in front of audiences holding microphones,” she confessed. Next to me, an undergrad wondered aloud whether Clinton meant that she also feels shy on stage–or that she’s tempted, from time to time, to tongue the audio equipment.

Okay, so I’m easily amused today.

This whole thing with Obama vs Hillary reminds me of an old saying about military interservice rivalries. To paraphrase: McCain is our opponent but _____(insert candidate here) is the enemy.

I’m a couple of chapters into Glenn’s book, and it’s a great read. Excellent tear-down of the John Wayne myth.

tell me how he tears down reagan, reagan who raised taxes more then any other peace time president and who grew the government exponentially, oposite of what media has everyone believing

Want some cheeeeeeze with that “contact sport” whine?

It’s almost as if she wants to lose.

Obama is running as God- so he can’t really go after Hillary.

Hillary’s running as Margaret Thatcher- so she can attack with armour piercing rounds.

The more evil the empire
The more paranoid the society

“Carry the Stone”, John Trudell

Y’see, it’s only “whining” when someone else voices a compliant.

You mean like:

“Genuine human beings call out war-mongering wuss and failed polices of ‘haves and have mores’”….

From the HuffPo…woot! HRC shoots self in foot (on a level with dog-bites-man journalismism, I know):

At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the “activist base” of the Democratic Party — and MoveOn.org in particular — for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had “flooded” state caucuses and “intimidated” her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.

Hillary hates the Netroots and is a meglomaniac who thinks she deserves to be President? Bestill my quivering heart. Now go check out the rest of the story.

I’m a slow reader – not there yet!

Well that’s not quite right. Obama CAN go after Hillary, but he’ll have to do it with frogs- or floods- or parting the sea and allowing it to swallow her whole.

On NPR Dan Schorr has been all over this story…the trivia, the fact there is no debate, etc. Thank God for old guys.

Attila The Hen has already been done.

I’m stongly in favor of no more debates. Stongly.

Daniel Schorr is a National Treasure on the same level as Bill Moyers and other “old” journalists who cared about actual facts and presenting them in a way accessible to everyone.

Letter to Hillary: Remember When John McCain Slimed Your Daughter? by Paul Loeb

Yeah, Schorr rocks.

Yo tambien.

I don’t see anything left to debate anyway.

“We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn’t even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that’s what we’re dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it’s primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don’t agree with them. They know I don’t agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.”

She is one two-faced, speak with fork-ed tongue biatch…IMHO

I know Marcy had some on this but this article contains more info from the new book, Torture Team: Deception, Cruelty And The Compromise Of Law, by Philippe Sands.

From the Guardian

Stress hooding noise nudity dogs
It was the young officials at Guantánamo who dreamed up a list of new aggressive interrogation techniques, inspired by Jack Bauer from the TV series, 24. But it was the politicians and lawyers in Washington who set the ball rolling. Philippe Sands follows the torture trail right to the top

On Tuesday, December 2 2002, Donald Rumsfeld signed a piece of paper that changed the course of history. That same day, President Bush signed a bill to put the Pentagon in funds for the next year. The US faced unprecedented challenges, Bush told a large and enthusiastic audience, and terror was one of them. The US would respond to these challenges, and it would do so in the “finest traditions of valour”. And then he signed a large increase in the defence budget.

Elsewhere in the Pentagon, an event took place for which there was no comment, no fanfare. With a signature and a few scrawled words, Rumsfeld reneged on the tradition of valour to which Bush had referred. Principles for the conduct of interrogation, dating back more than a century to President Lincoln’s famous instruction of 1863 that “military necessity does not admit of cruelty”, were discarded. He approved new and aggressive interrogation techniques that would produce devastating consequences.

…

These candidates should quit talkin an start DOIN

Hillary should go invade some two bit country on her own dime just to prove that she can do it.

Obama should go out and levitate a couple of mountains ta show how much HOPE he’s got….

It would be more entertaining than watchin em Yack at each other.

Jane, give Glenn a hug from me and tell him I understand. I did a post this morning about how the right wingers and those running against Barack Obama are now going after him for brushing his shoulders the other day after the debate. Their outrage in him doing that? They think he was emulating Jay-Z a multi-million dollar rapper instead of gesturing like the rest of us do when we’re done with the bullshit of others.

*sigh*

The response was itself a warning about a huge challenge for reporters in the 2008 cycle: preserving professional detachment

From the Harris and VandeHei piece. Talk about unintentionally funny.

LOL

If Sheik bin al BitterBama pulls off a big surprise Tuesday, there won’t be need of a 22nd debate.

he’s Head & Shoulders above the rest.

Both of the candidates annoy me on their own ways.

Hillary annoys me by lying and pretending to be something she isn’t.

Obama annoys me by pretending to be a preacher and giving us sermon after sermon of hopeful bullshit with no details..a lot like Clusterfuck

But I’ll vote for one of em.

So!

Now you are dissing the avian population.

What’s the matter with you cultist, delusional and nasty Obama -bots?

Next you will probably start in on slime-molds, poor innocent slime-molds.

Shame on you!!!

Youse guys are giving us all a bad rep. ;~D

He sure is and the others are having a hard time dealing with that fact. Poor things. Resorting to making rubbing off shoulders as a sign of the anti-Christ or something. *shaking head & spitting*

The ultimate insult is likeing anyone to Bush.

Moreover, those questions about Jeremiah Wright, about Obama’s association with 1960s radical William Ayers, about apparent contradictions between his past and present views on proven wedge issues like gun control, were entirely in-bounds. If anything, they were overdue for a front-runner and likely nominee.

Yeah, so when are we going to hear them asking McCain, how many women did you cheat on your first wife with? You may round off to the nearest 10 if you wish.

Call it a wedgie issue, but you know it’s entirely legitimate or would be if he were a Democrat.

“Attila The Hen” was the moniker assigned to UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, LOL!

Applies equally to Pat Head Summitt, in my view. Now, there would be a woman President would could kick national ass.

Too funny, Man-on-Dog Santorum is coming out to support Hillary in PA, or am I misunderstanding this video? Holy Crap. He calls Obama in idealogue… take one to know one, lil’Ricky.

Hey, at least Obama doesn’t have a rather interesting thing associated with his name on Google (number one search result, you’ll notice, thanks Dan Savage.

35,000? in Philly? .. or in the burbs? Speaking of which .. he’s speaking near me in 2 hours .. gotta get ready to go

It was a stupid ass debate on the one hand.

On the other- both of these candidates have fucked up badly recently and as much as they’d like to never hear about it again- that ain’t likely.

Yeah, Philly.

Does Sanctimonious Santorum realize that he’s been yesterday’s news for a year and a half?

cool. enjoy.

I may not go that far, but I did wake up with this Donovan song in my head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Eo_-QjhcsU

I am thinking of going over to drudgico and dropping the Guilt-by-Association Bomb on their blog. Why did neo-con Albriton’s help fund the 9-11 attacks through Riggs Bank? Or, I could brush my cat.

The election will be decided by the Weathermen for Truth.

So?

Maggot! Thatcher.

Comparing HRC to Thatcher?

Better watch out, Bobby they’s gonna get ya.

Next you will probably accuse po’ Hillary of having aquired a permanent moue …

Face it, Bobby yer just too facile with words. ;~D

Obama’s excuse is the best:

“I was only eight years old when this guy was blowin shit up”..

Somethin funny as hell about that..

Figures he won’t be tried as an adult I guess.

I don’t know, but is says a lot that he seems to be supporting HRC doesn’t it?

I call him ex-senator ManDogMarriage Sphinctorum, Valiant Fighter Against The Unconstitutional Right To Privacy Lifestyle. Dude needs a Metamucil brain injection.

OT: any word on how many showed up last night in Burbank at Disney corp.?

i hear BOBO and the Clintons go way back,and he is her secret attack weapon

I’ve been reading out loud to him from Harris & Pool Boy’s Politico article this morning.

cold.

I don’t know, but is says a lot that he seems to be supporting HRC doesn’t it?

It says quite a bit that he thinks he’s entitled to endorse a Democratic candidate. Hubris, anyone?

It’ll probably cut against her, net, in any event.

oh and i heard Don Imess called Obama more of a big pussy than Hillary,
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha,that is soooo funny from the MOST PUSSYWHIPPED OLD GUY on the planet,cant stop laughing!
DEIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDRE!!!!! ….save me,savvvvvvvvvvvvvve me!

oh and i heard Don Imess called Obama more of a big pussy than Hillary,

I don’t give myself the opportunity to hear Don Imus call anybody anything.

Yeah, but Sheik bin al BitterBama is also “Nappy-Headed.”

[Mod Note: snark tag closed]

ok ya got me going”G”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-FyHKHbm8Y

me neither but when DEIDRE sezzzzzzzzzzzjump…Imess gets out his MEASURING TAPE

Loving the irony! Imus must be scared of the new gun-toting, whiskey swilling, duck hunter Hillary. All neocons are and that’s why they’re falling in behind her. LOL

Poor Imus.

What is so ridiculous about this piece is the sanctimony with which it is imbued. Harris and VandeHei call the press coverage of the runup to the Iraq war a stumble. (Somehow that is not the word or series of words I would hav used.) They claim given the likelihood of Republicans smears in the general election that Gibson and Stephanopoulos were “balanced” bringing up all those smears now. They use funky language like “process questions” for what are these smears. They use misleading comparisons. 15 process questions smears to 13 policy White House talking point questions.

These are supposed to be experts who wouldn’t know a fact if it hit them over the head with a two by four.

If what it takes to be prez is a taste for boilermakers- some duck hunting- and a respectable bowling average- where the hell do I sign up?

Exactly Hugh. Most of the neocons are using these catch phrases to make themselves feel better, because they thought their actions couldn’t be detected by most Americans, so now they have to use Orwellian Titles to make it appear like it’s all normal.

Oh please.

*lifting 2X4*

“…the new gun-toting, whiskey swilling, duck hunter Hillary.”
______________

Maybe The Wire will change plans and extend to a 6th season, so HRC can guest appear so she can belly up to the bar and do shots with Bunk and McNulty.

i loved how NEOCON Deidre 30 years his junior,came to the rescue of another MR. ALL HAT NO CATTLE,with the 25,000$ silver belt buckle,and Luchessie GATORS….he is A GREAT THESPIAN howevah!

These are supposed to be experts who wouldn’t know a fact if it hit them over the head with a two by four.

And yet, they’re much richer than we are. That seems to be enough to justify their continued existence in their eyes.

If there’s gonna be a contest of who’s the most ordinary, McBush will win- he’s extraordinarily ordinary.

Attila The Cornish Hen, maybe?

my fave was when MULTI-ZILLIONAIRE Charlie de Wole Gibson,said the average middleclass person made……………..250,000.00$$$$ he needs to do stand-up imo

teh irony, no?

Someone’s gonna get a picture of Obama smokin a Kool- and then there’ll be HELL to pay.

my fave was when MULTI-ZILLIONAIRE Charlie de Wole Gibson,said the average middleclass person made……………..250,000.00$$$$ he needs to do stand-up imo

I’d prefer that he do sit-down and shut-up.

you made me spill my tea…………….lmao

Si

hahahahahahahahahaha

Thanks for that reminder.
We were so idealistic.
I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now.

Amnericans want someone ordinary- like what we’ve GOT I guess- but not so ordinary that they smoke cigarettes!

Attilary The AFLAC Duck goes after Obama.

sorry he is SUB- Ordinary…….more like a nematode

Seems pretty ordinary- likes to fuck around and eat doughnuts.

in Fla i rescued ducks for 4 years,those are Peikans,and teh protective,Muscovies ,just run,or fly away….many kids and peeps are mean to them…yes i loves them….people not so much

Sometimes gets the two activities confused- but that’s just his age.

OT – French prez. Sarkozy gives Bush a run for the money in the petulant, arrogant and uncouth department.

true story, according to visiting French friends:

Sarko went to visit the Pope in the company of some vulgar but popular beauf * comedian – and then proceeded to send text messages during his audience!

* (hard to translate – basically an uncultivated oaf)

shrub,those are the pinnacle,of his abilities

To borrow a line:

“The french don’t care what you do, actually, as long as you pronounce it properly and use good manners while doing it”

he looks it…a legend in his own MIND methinks

arghhhhhhhhhhhhh ,must go mop floor,speaking of drudgery

Any body read the Herbert op ed today in the Times? Called roadmap to defeat?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04…..ref=slogin

to Hugh @ 7:
That’s an interesting choice of photos with that story. Either the Clintonistas are right, and the media is favoring Obama. Or, more likely, the picture editors are tired of same old, same old.

and, to JoFish @ 12:

I had read some of the comments but didn’t watch the “debate.” Listening to Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! last night, for the first time I heard the tone of voice used, especially by Gibson (Gleeson? whatever his name is). It was rude, offensive, prosecutorial and entirely inappropriate to a debate moderator.

… unconfirmed sources claim Bush one- upped Sarkozy by reciting The Lord’s Prayer via armpit farts during his audience with Ratzinger … *g*

yeah

It’s a recycled opinion piece. Just order number two at the newstand and you get some version of it.

awesome speech, dude

That, if true, would be the single most impressive thing I’ve heard about our president.

he practiced another version of it here

Apologies to Glenn … I tuned into KO last night and thought he was on, realizing a split second later it was Ron Reagan … talk about opposites ends of the intelligence spectrum …

time for this Weatherman to go Underground

… unconfirmed sources claim Bush one- upped Sarkozy by reciting The Lord’s Prayer via armpit farts during his audience with Ratzinger … *g*

I used to read the Roman histories and wonder why after establishing their empire they let such a bunch of clowns run it. I still don’t have any answers but I don’t need to read history anymore to observe the phenomenon.

“I have no problem in standing up for the constitutional equality of any American regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation, or mental condition. We have to stand up for equality in America for everybody.”

This sound like your kind of candidate for Congress? Come on upstairs and meet Larry Joe Doherty in today’s Blue America.

Read it. Agree with much of it.

Do you think Herbert has a clue?

Isn’t it much more fun to bash each other and feel smug about it?

Oops, only one ’side’ is ‘bashing’, right?

Durn ‘Bama INTIMIDATORS!

But, of course, Herbert is anti-Hillary and we must take his purview with a grain of assault.

Touche !

It truly has unfolded before our eyes …

don’t know if this applies to Hillary or not but
my favorite take on Margaret Thatcher:

“She has lips like Marilyn Monroe and eyes like Caligula.”

-Francois Mitterand

the thing about Santorum is he has this smooth, pleasant, small town earnestness about him. he acts and sounds like a nice guy, if you don’t pay attention to the meaning of his words – especially the subtext.
a lot of voters are taken in by his manner. a lot of them. he just has to be a good guy, you know? he couldn’t be bad or wrong!
the Republicans have this down. completely.
fundamentally, Americans, a huge number of them, are into this.
if fuckwad and the Delays of the Party hadn’t screwed up so very, very, badly, Santorum and his ilk would still be riding high. we may win in ‘08 but they’ll be back. you can count on it.

I like that. Thank you.

hey, it was easy ……

Mitterand could’ve worked for Colbert.

and, by the way, Jane, i sure would like to be a fly on the wall with you and Glenn in the room. the vibe must be really special ……

Okay, I just heard McSame on CNN talking about taxes. He says he wants to double dependent exemptions from $3,500 to $7K for each dependent. Since I have none, and neither of my kids nor my niece nor my nephew have dependent kids, I object! To top that off, he says that we should not stifle innovation with excessive regulation, etc., so he is proposing to ban all taxes on wireless cell phones and ban taxes on the internet. My question, how does that comport with net neutrality? Does it have no bearing at all, does it mean he’s supporting net neutrality? Is this a smoke screen to fool us into thinking he’s for net neutrality while he allows the companies to tack on their own fees to internet usage? And why didn’t he address reducing taxes for companies that keep their businesses here, rewarding companies that keep Americans working?

Has John McCain rejected and denounced Ollie North for negotiating with the Iranians and giving missiles, a cake and a bible to the regime that took US embassy staffers hostage?

Curious.

-G

Wow!

Journalists appalled by the debate are “not merely observers but participants in the Obama phenomenon.”

Is that what they are suggesting? Seriously?

How clueless can you get?