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It’s been a perfect week for the release of Glenn Greenwald’s new book, Great American Hypocrites: Toppling the Big Myths of Republican Politics. The ABC debate this week could not have demonstrated more clearly the degree to which political coverage of Democrats is dictated by petty, personal, right wing-driven analysis. While John McCain refers to the press as "my base," Democrats have to answer to lapel pins and the actions of people they are only vaguely associated with.
Glenn’s book reconstructs the history of past presidential elections to elucidate how the script for Democrats is already written — rendering them effete, out of touch, soft, elitist and vaguely un-American. Events like Barack Obama’s bad bowling performance, or "bittergate" are then assembled into a caricature where they take on meanings much larger and more significant in the public eye than anything they are deserving of.
Republicans, on the other hand, are cast as heroic, towering, codpiece-wearing manly men who can protect the babies from the bogeymen. The media portrait of John McCain is virtually identical to the one that sold the nation George Bush. In his book, Glenn argues that until we start examining the lives of Republicans with the same scrutiny that the press accords to Democrats — until we start talking about how John McCain walked out on his first wife after she was handicapped in a car accident for a rich woman much younger than him who financed his political career, how he referred to her with the "c" word, or his threats of violence against other members of Congress — the playing field will not be level.
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Welcome Glenn.
Glenn, I heard you interviewed on the radio earlier this week. Sounds like a great book.
Glenn! Long time fan here!
Welcome Glenn! (He’s sitting in the next room, so it’s a little weird.)
Aloha, Glenn!
So?
You write great stuff. I read your Salon.com every day without fail. I love how the wignuts are reduced to lame ad hominem name-calling at you, ‘cuz they got no substantive answers to your arguments.
Sorry for the snark, Glenn, thought I had the chance of being first.
Jane, I received a ‘Video is no longer available’ message…
Jane,
“Video no longer available?”
Hi Glenn.
Just bought the book this afternoon at the local independent book store and ordered Cliff’s Real McCain. Gotta get primed.
Glenn, thank you for being here, and Jane, hello!
(Rubbing palms together in anticipation)
Glenn, welcome to the Lake.
Hi everyone, from the Jane Hamsher compound – thanks for the nice welcome.
Should be up in a second, sometimes YouTube takes a bit.
“While John McCain refers to the press as “my base,”
Just spell out the sound of the infuriated scream I just emitted…my dogs ran out of the room…
Arrogant SOB.
Waaaaahhhh…I hate them all…waaaahhh.
Glenn, a great round of applause here.
I would love to participate but am not feeling too good so I’ll lurk. Feel like I’m really missing out. Still, you make my day!
Glenn, you’re doing yeoman’s work. May your book have many readers. Thanks for coming today.
First question for Glenn,
I’ve just gotten through the first chapter. Do you know anything about the Duke’s kids? Have they said anything much about their dad? Have they seen your book and said anything about it?
Mr. Rev. was quite surprised about the real John Wayne—isn’t everyone? I think this is an important image to puncture through and through. Thanks for getting us started.
LS – The press refers to themselves as “McCain’s base,” too. Newsweek’s article on that little Sedona ranch party he has was headlined “McCain hosts his base.”
When I did a Bloggingheads with Ana Marie Cox, and she was defending the press treatment of McCain, she claimed that was just all a “joke.” If that’s so, it’s not very funny, though I’ll leave it to everyone else to decide if they think it’s a joke.
Dave Neiwert – Thanks. As you know, I’ve been an admirer of your work for some time.
Minor fix in post:
charicature
Glenn, were you surprised at the reaction to the debate performances of Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos?
Is there any way to get addresses of McSame’s 8 houses and start showing arial pics of it all over the toobz?
The elite wealthy brand needs to be applied repeatedly methinks.
Hi Glenn:
Here’s a wonderful video of Fox news in action and a catholic priest who was not impressed (found on Atrios comments).
http://www.geekarmy.com/politi…..Owned.html
RevDeb – I’m not sure about Wayne’s relationship with his kids, to be honest — though I do know that John McCain’s kids boycotted his wedding (his second one) and had a very strained relationship with him after McCain dumped their (disabled and disfigured) mother to marry his much younger, much prettier, and much richer mistress.
The reason I chose John Wayne to start the book was because, on almost every level, he’s such a perfect template for our today’s right-wing leaders function.
“In his book, Glenn argues that until we start examining the lives of Republicans with the same scrutiny that the press accords to Democrats — until we start talking about how John McCain walked out on his first wife after she was handicapped in a car accident for a rich woman much younger than him who financed his political career, how he referred to her with the “c” word, or his threats of violence against other members of Congress — the playing field will not be level.”
And he’s a cheater…he cheated on his first wife…he’s fundamentally disloyal to those he “loves” and fundamentally “dishonest”. That is very much what did Giuliani in. Although, Ghouliani is now on the short list or VP…how convenient. Two peas in a pod.
Spit.
Argh…makes me so mad!!
My place is littered with half-read books from fdl’s salon, but I read all of Mr. Greenwald’s stuff. So, what is the basis of this book?
Peterr — I wasn’t surprised necessarily by the reaction to the ABC debate — it was so extreme and transparent — but I was surprised, pleasantly so, about how quickly and loudly the backlash asserted itself.
I can assure you that other journalists saw that and took note of the fact that if they engage in similar trashly conduct, there will be a price to pay. That is extremely important to establish that.
bom dia, glenn
Welcome! Having heard wonderful reviews of your book, I just ordered and with a little hope, it should be here in a week.
Well THAT’s something at least.
Oilfieldguy – The book is devoted to examining the petty, vapid personality-based mythologies and attacks that the Right use to win elections, and the vital role the establishment press plays in propagating those themes. It examines what progressives and Democrats have to do to stop these themes from being used unilterally.
Do your think there will be another “debate” between HRC and The Sheik?
Endless warmongering and more Neofascism is not acceptable.
Glenn
Your book is here and I can’t wait to read it. Will you be coming to California for book signings? Thanks for being a FDL today.
Just starting your book. The takedown of John Wayne is terrific. Thanks for all that you do.
I don’t comment often, but I feel compelled by gratitude to thank you, Digby, Marcy Wheeler, John Amato, all fab folks at FDL, and others I read every day.
You are the Jeffersons, Madisons, Paines, and Adams of our times.
Simply,
Thanks.
I won’t be making it to California on this trip, but it’s very possible I’ll be out there for some book events in May.
I think once the primary is over, there is going to be another push with the book, once everyone is focused on the real enemy — John McCain, the Right and their media enablers.
Thank you. As an aside, I read your first “blook” on my way to the first KOS convention. Many people interrupted my reading at airports with queries about it. Great stuff. Hopefully I made a few sales for you.
Glenn:
Don’t you think that a large part of the problem is that the supposed opposition party largely buys into these themes: HRCs “troubling” comments about Jeremiah Wright and Ayers, the denounciations of Dean for saying that Saddam’s departure didn’t actually do anything to improve our security, and so on? To me, the Democrats reinforcement of dimwit gotcha culture is required for their effect.
Welcome, Glenn — great book, and so painfully timely this week, I have to say…
Glenn,
I’m enjoying the book very much. In chapter 2, you talk about the influence of Drudge on the media and on the way those who now work in the media don’t believe in anything:
Emphasis added.
As we saw the wonderful, overwhelming response to the pettiness of the debate last week, I’m wondering if the press will be a little less able to get away with the pettiness this time. I think that the level of suffering in this country due to Bush’s policies destroying the economy and destroying families connected in any way to the military, I’m wondering if the public is calling the press on their behavior simply because this time it really matters and they are forced to pay attention better than they have in the past. That is, with economic survival at stake, will people finally pay enough attention to see that those who believe in nothing are not doing an appropriate job of reporting on the political choices we face?
That leaves us with the challenge of totally discrediting Drudge. I think the public may be ready to listen if we can put forward a forceful case. Your book makes a great start on that. How do we follow up?
Hi Glenn – I ordered the book but haven’t received it yet. What I’m really interested in, is aside from the narrative of what it’s like with the media today, do you postulate any ideas for cures to current situation?
Like satire etc. to puncture the Very Serious Nature of The Villagers?
glenn -
congratulations on the new book!
i heard your interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! this week, and wanted to ask you two questions about that:
1) when i explain to someone (who doesn’t read your column) how corrupt and dishonest our corporate media is, one the questions i almost always get asked is what replacement do i recommend as a source for daily national news. i’ve been saying that (in addition to thinking for oneself) i recommend Democracy Now! – but i wonder if you, in your analysis of news sources have any better suggestions?
2) i wonder why more bloggers don’t seem to get their news from sources like Democracy Now! and why aren’t alternatives promoted alongside the critical analysis of the Serious Corporate Media. i’m not trying to be critical… it’s just something i’ve wondered for awhile and though you might have some insight on.
thanks for all you are doing… it is with great pleasure that i see your work making a real difference in our national discourse.
Glenn,
Trying to figure out a way to get you here, beautiful Chester County PA where both candidates did their thing today trying to woo a somewhat weighted R. populace. Great bookstore here and they do readings and signings.
The trouble is, though, that this script works. It seems to work nearly every time they trot it out. The reason must have something to do with the way most voters think, or perhaps more accurately, refuse to think.
How do you fix that, or do you think I’m misstating the problem?
Glenn, do you think journalists view politics as kind of a spectator sport? As if the consequences were not real?
Hello Glenn, glad to see you here. I’m wondering do you think there will ever be a time when a big time democrat actually engages in the same type of rhetoric that the Newt Gingriches of the world regularly use? In your book you name many conservative leaders that are more than willing to demonize democrats and liberals but what I don’t find are many liberal or democratic leaders willing to even think about doing the same.
“He With The Best Story Wins“
That’s trial lawyering 101, is it not?
Philosopher Simon Blackburn (“Being Good”) notes that we can’t just have abstract principles of right/wrong, we gotta have our “Stories,” and the stories end up begin the whole deal. Taleb makes essentially the same point in his latest book “The Black Swan.”
Alan Watts also noted decades ago the “the religion of Jesus devolves into a erligion about Jesus.”
etc etc etc.
Hello Glenn,
I just received your book Thursday. I should have it read by next week. Then I’ll start passing it out to others so it get a wider audience.
Why is the press so slanted? Does the right have such a headstart on the pushback machine? Do they really think the “truth” always has two sides?
Rootless — You’re absolutely right that, for a long time, it’s been a problem that many Democrats have bought into and re-inforced the personality attacks used to destroy Democrats and progressives.
I think that was one of the prime genesis of blogs — anger over the fact that even Democrats have internalized these self-hating themes and are often in the forefront of invoking them.
The premise that these attacks are a gooper past time is an interesting one. There are, of course, counter examples.
The swiftboat attack on Kerry was a resurrection of a campaign first run against him by a dem in a primary…
Clusterfuck attacked McBush with much the same shit-
There’s a possibility that this is just what politicians DO when they can get away with it.
Why is the press so slanted?
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Megacorporation Infotainment entities, increasingly, I would say.
Got your book yesterday and am at Chapter 1.
Thinking about the theme “Drudge Rules their World.” I was wondering whether anyone has actually empirically studied how Drudge and the Politico get their “scoops.” David Brock mentions it in Blinded by the Right but does not offer actual interviews or other factual evidence on how this stuff actually finds it way into the mainstream.
Jim – Those are great points. I absolutely agree that as the level of public angst and anger with our political class increases, the tolerance level for our establishment media will decrease. Much of the instantaneous backlash this week towards ABC was explained by that, I believe — in a time of serious insecurity, people aren’t going to sit around happily listening to media babbling about bowling scores and lapel pins.
The last thing that Republicans want is an election decided on the issues, for obvious reasons. I think we ought to continue using all of our weapons in the blogosphere — citizen anger and intensity and numbers and tools of shame — to highlight how toxic media behavior is in order to modify behavior. At the very worst, it will discredit our media institutions and lessen their ability to propagate these destructive themes.
Step one would probably be for Democrats and progressives to QUIT repeating GOP talking points themselves.
As Jane put it last September (with emphasis added):
Once the Democratic candidates — and their advisers and surrogates! — can figure out how this part works, then perhaps they’ll be ready for step two.
Glenn
Do you really think that the american voters are capable of having an election on the issues?
If they are- I’ve missed it through every election cycle of my not short life.
Selise – Thanks. I often recommend Democracy Now, various blogs and the like. But the reality is that the newtwork news programs, newspapers like the NYT and WP, and cable news shows still have a much broader reach and greater influence, and it thus makes sense that bloggers engaged in media criticism focus on those.
Hi Glenn,
I’m a big fan of your work and a daily reader of your blog on Salon.com. I completely agree that the narrative in the MSM between Republicans and Democrats is something that needs to be changed. However it seems like it would take a herculean effort to do so as the trope of Republican=strong, Democrat=weak is evident throughout the media. Last night on Real Time with Bill Maher Chris Matthews was on and Bill let him go on about the problems Obama will have because of things like ordering Juice instead of Coffee at a diner. Maher did not counter anything Matthews said, it wasn’t until later in the show that Marcos Molitsas called out Matthews hipocrisy of being able to speak for the “common folk” when he himself is an elitist.
Welcome Glenn. I read your column every day without fail. I wish you were coming to Louisville, KY for a book signing.
I just read the article by Vandy and Harris that Jane mentioned in a previous post and it brought to mind a question for you.
How do we convince the Clinton & Obama die hards to stop letting their support of their respective candidates to get in the way of holding the media accountable for writing tabloid trash? People like Vandy & Harris are so good at playing both of these groups of people by pitting them against each other in order to deflect attention from what the media is doing to both candidates.
Maybe we should simply outsource the entire election thingy to Simon Cowell.
or any other political figure of significance–actually believes in what they are saying and doing is beyond the comprehension of the Beltway journalists. For they are empty and self-absorbed, abiding in the world Drudge rules, and thus are consumed with pettiness; they believe in nothing, and thus assume that everyone else is as barren and vapid as they are.
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sadly true….all jaded and corrupted,likespoiled whipped cream…just NASTY FLUFF
I was going to mention Democracy Now also
Nice job Glenn
Agreed. When you reduce the data to a certain set of similar anecdotes, you can misdiagnose the problem.
To put it another way, why are Republicans so overwhelmingly supportive of things like the MCA, PATRIOTs 1 and 2, FISA for Telecomms, etc., that so clearly trash the Constitution? [Glenn did a great article on that subject, BTW]. Shouldn’t some of them, the avowed libertarians at least, be opposed to these things? Seems like this process is working against honest Republicans, too.
I remember a few portions of a few of the debates when the candidates grilled each other on the “issues”. That was the part about the difference between the universality of Hillary’s health care plan vs Obama’s.
THAT put everyone listening to sleep I expect- and there are apparently no other big differences on the issues that either candidate wants to talk about.
Is it possible that “campaign on the issues” is a kind of logical fiction that has never existed in the real world.
How to fix this is what my book is about. As Jane wrote above, we need to stop allowing these themese to be used as unilateral weapons. If personality themes are going to predominate, then right-wing leaders need to be attacked with them just as vociferiously as they attack. That’s what my book does. Liberals and Democrats are often squeamish about doing that, thinking they can and should “rise above it.”
That doesn’t work. It’s a recipe for certain defeat. The idea of using these tactics ourselves is not to copy them, but to neutralize those tactics so they can no longer be used to decide elections.
If McCain is allowed to be depicted as this upstanding, honor-bound Man of Principle and that’s not challeneged — especially while the Democratic candidate is demolished on the personality level — it won’t matter much what his views are on the issues.
Egregious – Yes, I think journalists view the political process as a game and that’s why I say they are empty and passion-less. It’s why they’re so cynical and indifferent to the consequences of that which they enable.
But do we dare even refer to them as ‘news’ media anymore when they have closed up shop on news gathering and investigative reporting and instead deliver what we could see on ‘Entertainment Tonight’ or ‘TMZ’?
In America, the truth ALWAYS has two sides, that is an abiding ‘MYTH’.
Right now, people who consider themselves thoughtful, figure that the ‘real’ truth is somewhere in the ‘middle’.
People still assure me that there are equal numbers of scientists on both sides of the ‘global warming’ ‘controversy’.
It is the ‘narratives’ which play off the myth and convince too many people of their personal ‘fairness’ when assessing the claims of the ‘extremists’, which, according to those self-same ‘narratives’ is us.
In my mind, the Pukes have been incredibly effective with associating Dems with higher taxes and conservatives with limited government. It is a big, fat lie. The corporations are so behind the media/information highway..and they will never let the people know the truth. The thing that will really change these perceptions by the people is when they personally begin to experience the hardships that the Puke’s false doctrine has reaped on us. It seems to be happening, but it needs to happen more. The next step in our society will be rebellion due to the economic situation of the “consumers”. Sorry. Rant.
Any television appearances lined up?
I didn’t see your post because I posting my own comment (60) but we obviously agree. I hope Glenn addresses this issue.
oh, absolutely.
i just think if they had some more pressure from the better alternative sources, it would help add to the pressure for them to clean up their act a bit.
Begets one the lethal MEGO moniker “wonkish.”
Or, if we were to be practical- just OPENLY SELL the presidency to the highest bidder- and do away with taxes altogether. These fuckers will pay a LOT if they HAVE to.
I don’t view Americans as being stupid and shallow. They realize this country has gone wildly off course. Polls prove that. They realized on their own that the Iraq War was a huge mistake long before the press began reporting that. They removed the Republicans from power in 2006. They turned against this President and made him one of the most unpopular in American history.
I think it’s a big mistake to assume that our fellow citizens are stupid and frivolous. Of course, some are. All of us are sometimes. But there is plenty of data to prove that people will respond when you treat them like adults and engage them the right way.
Glenn – longtime reader/lurker at your blog, so aware of your main arguments regarding the media and in agreement.
Question: Do you think this cycle has the potential to break the hold the MSM has had on political discourse. Given that Obama has raised more money than anyone, primarily through small grassroots donations, there’s clearly a shift from the top-down, party-mediated power transfers of the past. Do you think we are witnessing the same shift vis-a-vis the media… i.e. that this is their swansong in terms of their stranglehold over the tenor of public discourse?
In regard to John Wayne, what I was going to mention before someone mentioned Drudge, was that one of the funniest moments of my youth was watching John Wayne on German television in The Longest Day, chomping a cigar and saying “Achtung!” :)
Contrast Saving Private Ryan’s opening sequence with The Longest Day. I hadn’t thought of it until you brought up Ron Kovic in regard to John Wayne and Iwo Jima in your book. I guess Private Ryan was just a commie picture…..
I think what you said about Markos proves the point, though. Usually, these themes — that Chris Matthews can somehow speak for the regular person — are never challenged. Markos did (I didn’t see the show – going by what you said). When themes are challenged, they can be undermined. When they’re not challenged, they will thrive.
nice theory but in $$$ terms they probably think DN! and others irrelevant. BUT the enormous pile-on that crushed ABC was a thing of beauty and all the “legit” papers started covering it.
We need to continue the piling on and get even better at it.
Hence the seemingly “teflon” durability of Obama. Too many people see througt the vapid ad hominem attacks and focus on red herring trivialities.
So far as I can tell, the average American is well to the left of the average Democratic elected official, and well farther to the left of the average “liberal” journalist.
Holy Moley, Glenn – if you write as fast as you talk, it probably took you about a week to pen the book!
Just got the book Thursday, read only about half the first chapter, I think I’m going to really enjoy it. Keep up the good work.
You mean something like this (my comment earlier in the day to your post at Salon):
I realize that is more along the lines of copying their techniques (which you advise against) rather than neutralizing them, but gosh it felt good to say that.
This is the big bingo! And we must premise our behavior and words upon this truth.
no data, but i do have some personal experience from canvassing for the Lamont campaign. thought i would hate it, but i really liked it – most people do care about what’s happening and are not stupid… even when we disagree, it’s a great experience to realize that no one i met was as stupid or frivolous as the infotainment idiots on the tv.
Well–OK
It COULD happen.
I’m just sayin it never has—that I can remember..
Which presidential election in the past could we point to as an example of american voters diggin into “the issues”?
I think the influence of the establishment media is clearly waning, and they know it. That’s why most are banding together to defend their colleagues in ABC debate. But that’s a big, big powerful monster, and like most monsters, you don’t kill it with one fell swoop. It takes time, hard work, slogging along. I think their influence will continue to erode and we need to do everything possible to push that process along.
Which is worse, do it badly, or not at all? Our local number one teevee station virtually ignores all political topics, opting to put a reporter in front of a burned out home or upside down car with useless information ending with “back to you.”
Avoiding hate-mail one presumes.
I think many of the media are true believers in a vacant upper-middle class washington ideology. They are cynical in a shallow way – but they still accept what they are told by the authority figures that they accept. To me, they really believe that McCain or Guiliani or whatever is actually a serious person.
This cat? Have you kept up with his Salon.com column? Like, ‘dude, when do you sleep?’
Prolific. And relentlessly substantive.
I realize that Randy Rhodes might be radioactive in regard to her recent pecadillos, but one of her themes on her show was that the “mainstream” pundit shows did not let her on, especially in the days before Olbermann and Air America, because she said things that were outside the norm and didn’t fit the story.
Why do you think that, even though Olbermann has proven to be relatively successful, that the other (cable) networks are not speaking “truth to power”?
“Our local number one teevee station virtually ignores all political topics, opting to put a reporter in front of a burned out home or upside down car… “
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TV affiliate station Rule Number One:
“If it bleeds, it leads.”
That’s pretty much exactly what I mean, actually. When I say we shouldn’t copy their methods, I mean their worst excesses — the falsehood-based personality smears, the outright lies, the slimy half-truths. But it is critical to engage them on the level they fight, and if they want to make the campaign about personalities and petty trivialities, they’ll succeed unless they are subjected to the same attacks.
Look at who owns the networks.
2006.
Glenn,
Look into your crystal ball and predict the next 6 months in presidential politics.
Harbinger? Or apples-to-oranges? 2006 wasn’t a Prez election.
Glenn,
Jim White above mentioned McSame’s temper. Do you think this is something that the bloggers and people like Mike Stark would do better to focus on or not? It would seem to me that getting him to blow up on camera over something stupid could make for a Macaca moment. That seems to me to be his achiles heel. Though it has also been mentioned somewhere that it is possible they have him on some kind of mood altering substance that calms him.
But what do I know?
That’s a really good question. Whenever I argue with establishment journalists, they invariably claim that the coverage is how it is because media companies are profit-driven and that’s what people want.
I don’t accept the premise or the conclusion, but let’s accept both for a moment. Olbermann is clearly the most successful show on MSNBC right now. All the political energy is on the Left. There is clearly a huge market gap for counter-programming to Fox. Why, then, when they finally put the Tucker Carlson Show out its misery, didn’t they give a show to Rachel Maddow or some other progressive to carry on the Olbermann success?
Clearly, there are factors in their decisions besides purely market-driven ones.
Thanks. Agree that there is huge inertia in the system as is, and therefore it’s not about to topple overnight.
But still, feels like something is up this time around – that the future won’t be like the past from this point forward. Don’t think Obama’s the cause so much as the beneficiary (and possibly the catylyst). Wouldn’t it be amazing if the MSM and repugs try all the same old shit, worse than ever… and it doesn’t work!
Keeping my fingers crossed that perhaps America is ready to move out of its political adolescence once and for all.
I’ve not yet read your book, but don’t forget to mention that John, who never served a day in the military, was awarded Congressional Gold Medal:
What unique courage? What unique dignity? What talent as an actor? What strength as a leader? What in god’s name qualifies this man for “a unique spot in our hearts and minds,” to say nothing of a Congressional Gold Medal?
These right-wing macho men are all show and no go.
Turning it ’round on them, politely (ahem!) but firmly. Sounds like fun, actually. Just as long as we don’t enjoy it too much, or we’ll feel guilty.
I an tired of excessive po – lite!
Demand that his medical records be released.
RevDeb, we can also point out that we don’t need that kind of temper in the west wing, the situation room, or in international affairs.
That’s not Glenn’s specialty, which is taking past rightard defecations and stuffing them down today’s throats.
Absolutely. Again, if “personality” issues are going to predominate, then there are only 2 choices — (1) cede the playing field to the GOP or (2) attack McCain on the same level. His temper is notorious and a sign of clear emotional instability — exactly what you don’t want in a president.
I think Bob Somerby always writes about how our liberal leaders never tell the complete story. We actually do have some liberals who get on TV and all but for the most part, they are very weak. I’m wondering how we can actually change this. I mean have some real strategy when actual liberals get on main network programming.
Watch it pilgrim.
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Well of course that wasn’t a presidential election- which makes it tough to judge. My local congressional race got decided because the dem candidate got caught sayin things at a meeting with hispanics that sounded a bit like “You don’t have to be a citizen to vote”.–plus she had many less yard signs.
you should see our media when we get our first formed rain cloud. Storm watch 200_ with its prominent graphic will be easily the first 15-20 minutes of the local news.
GLENZILLA!
I know – but the excuse they always use is that it’s about the ratings.
One of Glenn’s themes in his blog has been that the media has stated that the “American people” believe in something when it is not empirically true. That’s what I was asking his opinion about.
His obvious senility is also an unhelpful attribute.
The fact that some of the biggest politically-influential leaders in America have been “actors” and “cheerleaders” first…should raise some red flags as to what our political system is really made of….
John Wayne
Reagan
Schwartzeneggar
Bush43
It’s possible that the senility will, in the end, moderate the emotional instability- but then maybe not.
but a lot of his supporters can empathize.
And the other way around…
Matthews
Monica Crowley
Buchanan
Ollie North
G. Gordon Litty
I think it’s hard to predict. I think the American electorate is in a much different mood than normal. But I also think these types of personality themes trigger very potent cultural, gender, psychological and tribalistic impulses, and it’s unclear to me how much of an influence these types of substance-free (though powerful) attacks will exert this time around.
Hi Glenn, jut logged in and what a great surprise to see you here. I hope I’m not too late.
I’ve been reading a few of the legal blogs lately and they don’t seem to think anyone will ever be prosecuted from this current Admin. People like Yoo, Bybee, all the way up to Bush. For as many times as I’ve read your blogs I don’t think I’ve seen you state a opinion on the likelihood. Balkin said last week the chances a slim to none, do you feel that way also ?
Yeah – I’ve actually had some e-mail correspondence with Somerby about that.
I disagree with him about what he calls “liberal” in the first place. Anyone who says that MoDo, for example, is a liberal needs their head examined; but enough lazy, ignorant people do, just because she writes in the New York Times.
Reading Glenn makes me feel like the Native American in Nevada on top of the mesa with his small fire and blanket, sending up smoke signals about the time the United States Government did a nuclear test in the valley below.
Awed by the sight of the huge mushroom cloud, the Native American whispered:
“Dang, I wish I’d said that!”
Elections haven’t changed much over the years that I can see. “A chicken in every pot” and “My oppponent is a liar and a horsethief” still win the day.
Actually, severe mood swings are one of the symptoms of Alzheimer’s.
Glenn – Have you seen the front-page story on the NYT site today:
Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04…..ref=slogin
Apparently the pentagon has been placing friendly military analysts on various MSM newscasts/shows to spin the war coverage in it’s favor. Is that an issue that you cover in your book?
How do we push back on the whole array of propaganda programs (this being just a single example) that this admin has polluted the airwaves with?
Your book is great, Glenn. You are doing what needs to be done: going on the offensive!
Which we all should do, and strive to do as well as you.
Oops- well then PROBABLY not.
Any chance that the emotional instability will moderate the senility?
Having worked at MSNBC once upon a time I can help answer this: It goes directly to ownership. Owners always ensure that their worldviews are represented at the very top of their newsrooms; the rest follows.
Glenn, about halfway through your book, to the “commentators gushing over Bush’s tailhook landing” part. Great stuff, as usual.
I was really encouraged to read you had met with the congressional Democrats, apparently including several who voted with Bush more than they should have. You indicated you are limited in what you can say about the meeting, but do you get any clear sense that they are hearing our concerns, that their mentality and approach might be changing a bit?
Thanks for all that you are doing.
“There is clearly a huge market gap for counter-programming to Fox.”
I’m a fan and lurker of both your Salon articles and FDL. That market gap, as you so accurately analyze it, is very exciting to me. You are right when you point out that more than just market forces are keeping the MSM from presenting all sides fairly.
That gap, IMHO, is a huge opportunity for progressives. As a major voice in the progressive blogosphere, how do you see the left taking advantage of that gap, beyond just trying to hold the MSM’s feet to the fire?
I’m still wondering…what the hell did Pelosi mean when she said “You don’t know the half of it…tip of the iceberg”….
Hi Dave,
I am very happy for you that you got this job; I have referred anyone who has asked about the mainstreaming of racist themes to your writing. You really should get Newspeak, Limbaugh in print.
Yes, I feel the same way. We’ve decided as a country that “war crimes” are things that other people commit, that international law and punishment applies only to other countries, and that because we are inherently Good, even our bad acts are just “mistakes,” never “criminal.”
We also have embraced the principle that “moving on beyond partisan warfare” is a higher value than “punishing felonies and high crimes committed by government officials” — Ford pardoned Nixon, the Iran-contra criminals were protected, there has been no accountability for any Bush lawbreaking, etc. etc.
I think we ought not give up on the idea of holding our political leaders accountable for the war crimes and other atrocities they deliberately perpetrated, but the likelihood is extremely low.
Hi Glenn.
Just wanted to say thank you for all your excellent work.
You, that
groupieentourage person in the next room, and Froomkin are all that’s keeping me sane these days.Why do you think a POTUS that approved torture tea parties (hosted by Condi) in the White House gets scant attention in the traditional media?
I mean these are potential war crimes, and they all yawn.
So, how long can KO and Rachel survive in that arena?
Don’t know if Glenn writes about this, but it’s roots are at least partially in The Powell Manifesto
then how to explain Olbermann being the only sane voice on the network and being allowed to continue? If the owners wanted to continue Faux-like which they seem to do on just about all the shows, how does Keith pull it off?
If you haven’t heard, Glenn, about the recent Don Imus comment, it fits right in with your book’s theme. Daily Kos (today):
Imus said he thought that co-moderator George Stephanopoulos was “great” and that the debate was “fine,” adding: “I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they’re both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they’re out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other.” News anchor Charles McCord interjected, “But then,” and Imus continued: “And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don’t understand that. And he’s almost a bigger pussy than she is.”
I’m working on that now, as it happens. Thanks.
As long as they get great ratings I suppose……when ideology conflicts with profits- profits usually win.
But what about the chances of those people getting tried in Europe under violations of Geneva? Pinochet finally got his day in court, right?
She has a high paying, powerful job with awesome perks. She is also obviously privy to lotsa classified dirt. But, she has a high paying, powerful job with awesome perks.
I wonder the same thing Mon-Fri. Hmmmm.
You felt the same about stopping telco immunity, but then …
perhaps your next book could help us figure out how to turn this around and achieve some accountability for said war crimes . . . . hint hint.
I don’t think the country’s psyche/conscience can be healed unless and until we do it.
Yes. But what was she referring to?
Yup. Gotta add Digby to that group though!
But he’s “nappy-headed, and she’s not.
Honestly, I was really encouraged by that evening. I couldnt’ have been more blunt in criticizing them and the whole Beltway class of which they are a part. I said to their faces exactly what I say on my blog, with the same tone. They listened intently, engaged with me for a long time afterward, respectfully and with a clear desire to discuss it. Politicians are expert at making you think they’re listening even when they’re not, but the fact that they stayed so long – 2 hours or more — and were so engaged, made clear they wanted that dialogue.
I think they’ve realized 2 things — (1) they’ve been poorly served by the narrow scope of consultant advice that has led them, and (2) “Blogs” are not some collection of evil, shrill freaks but, instead, a collection of highly engaged, high-intensity citizens with whom they can work and interact for more ideas and more strength.
MSNBC did the same thing. The day after debate one of their anchors (I believe Tamara is her name) told her two guests that someone had told her the other day that Obama appears to be “wimpy”. She then asked her two guests (one of the Johnathan Capeheart from WaPo) whether they though Obama was wimpy.
Well, I think the people they had at MSNBC’s cable operation were much more prone to trying to make the operation Faux Lite than the Web newsroom, where I worked, though they often led the whole operation by the nose. And the folks they had there doing that — a certain circle of producers — lost a lot of credibility over the years due to their lousy ratings. The only thing they had going was Olbermann, so they did what pragmatism forced them to do. But I think they hamstring him a bit even still … And you’ll notice that the most recent hire, to replace Tucker, is yet another white male …
Dunno. She’s not gonna risk her job exposing Bu’ush administration criminality.
Tribal impulses…..in 2006 we ran a genuine war hero, yet he was too effete.
This year we explode the myth that we need a white male, veteran, hunter, married, church going Dem to win the election. Its kinda scary. If we lose again this year, do we go back to the old model? Or do we stick with candidates that have the merit to be President, but keep getting whipped by the “John Wayne” type Republicans?
That’s kinda weird. My 137 was supposed to be a response to TexBetsy at 95
Now back to your regularly scheduled programing
Sheik bin al BitterBama looked anything but “wimpy” during his full-court pickup game with those Marines in NC.
The United States isn’t Chile. No European nation is going to risk a confrontation with the U.S. by forcibly arresting and trying our political leaders.
International law and war crimes tribunals are mostly “victors’ justice” — an instrument for powerful countries to justify their punishment of less powerful countries — and until there is an enforcement mechanism behind international law, it will remain that way.
Laws with no enforcement mechanisms are purely symbolic.
Glenn, great job in the debate with McCardle. I can’t believe that she thinks the press have no duty to the public.
If we lose? People will take to the streets.
Sounds like my type of Book. I’m ordering it today.
Hey, Glenn.
Nothing really to add, other than to say to everyone: buy the book! I’ve heard Glenn speak about the book three times and it’s so compelling to so many people, and so spot on.
It’s been great to have you in town this week.
That’s even more encouraging. Thanks.
I still want to know how we can get the Clinton & Obama camps to stop enabling the media to write tabloid based news stories. Both camps defend the media as long as their candidate isn’t being attacked. How do we get them to realize they aren’t helping either candidate in the long run?
Glenn I find your answer very disheartening. I am convinced that had we held Nixon, Reagan, or even Bush Sr. to account that Jr. would never of had the guts to do what he has done. I feel until we actually hold someone of Bush’s standing responsible we will continue to see Presidents abuse their power.
One more question if you don’t mind. If you were offered or made the New Atty. Gen. and told to do whatever you felt was right, would you be willing to step out on that branch knowing that there would be people coming after you for doing the right thing, if you do thing it is the right thing to do ? If not you, who do you think would have it in them to investigate and try Bush, Cheney, et al ? I know neither HRC or McBush would allow this, but Obama has said he is willing.
They’ll only be tried in a foreign or international court if we hand them over, and I don’t see that happening.
I’d love to be proved wrong on that prediction, though.
We also can affect this by electing new, and better Democrats. On an earlier thread today, I asked the BlueAmerica candidate, Larry Joe Doherty, about prosecution for torture, and this was his response:
The more people like this we put in Congress, the better off our country will be.
Glenn, I was so excited when your book arrived from Amazon earlier this week. Congratulations on graduating to hardcover — the bigtime!
Don’t you think you guys should wear flag pins when you make FDL videos, though? Great big honkin’ three-by-five flag pins?
Nobody handed Eichmann over.
From the linked NYT story:
Exactly. Plus, they don’t fit the “boogieman” profile for “evildooers”….it would be “distasteful” and not befitting “protocol”…too many shared cocktail wienies among the diplomats and other insiders….not to mention interesting developments in the world…such as Berlusconi gaining power again and Sarkozy coming into power…who’d a thunk it possible…
There will be no war crime charges.
That, in my view, is one of the worst aspects of the endless Democratic primary wars. Had the contest been driven by ideological or policy differences, it would have been very energizing and positive. The fact that it’s been dominated by the types of personality themes Druge and the Politico wallow in is what makes it so destructive.
Like all competitions, the longer it endures, the more intensified the hostilities and perceived grievances become, the more partisans on both sides lose sight of long-term considerations. It’s been pretty depressing – and destructive on many levels.
Nobody will take to the streets. Whatever demonstrations will be marginalized by the MSM, and everybody will be lulled back into their docile selves, blogging, talking, planning for the next election…
Nobody wanted him, either, and no one who (usefully) supported Israel had a reason to make a big fuss over it.
People would take to the streets, but no one would cover it.
If I were Attorney General, the first thing I would so is investigate and, where the evidence and law warranted it, prosecute Bush officials for the multiple crimes they committed. Until the rule of law is restored to the top level of our Government, little else matters in terms of restoring our constitutional principles.
Just ask the Founders — The Law is KING, said Thomas Paine. A nation of laws, not men. The one principal distinction between tyranny and a republic is whether everyone — even the most powerful — are subject to the rule of law. We’re a country where, manifestly, that is no longer the case.
I really think we’ve got to figure out a way to engage both the Clinton & Obama camps in a discusson of what they’re enabling. If we wait until the general election it will be too easy for the media to dismiss our complaints about the coverage as just Democrat vs. Republican. We must change the dynamic before then or we’re sunk.
I’d sure love to see a gaggle of these fuckers behind bars- but I agree with you- it ain’ta gonna happen…for that one needs a blow job.
Hi Glenn:
Longtime reader, bought and read the latest book.
Tactical question:
How do we get more progressive libs on the TV as pundits?
You and Jane seem TV-ready to me. Why don’t we see you and more like-minded people on the chat/news shows?
please stay on topic for book salon out of courtesy for our guest
I had a flag pin on my lapel when I arrived at Jane’s house. She told me I wasn’t allowed to enter with it on, so she forced me to take it off. Otherwise, I always wear one.
Jane despises America.
Glenzilla for AG!
If the Islamic world saw that the Bush administration brought to justice they would be much more sympathetic to American interests world wide. They might even help with the lingering question, where in the word is Osama?
LOL
We’ve both been on TV some, but it’s important to remember that (a) bloggers in general are viewed with hostility by establishment reporters and (b) bloggers who, particularly, attack the establishment media are obviously going to get fewer invitations by the targets of their attacks.
I also turn down some invitations some time for various reasons, including the fact that I just don’t want to be on some scream-fest program where you have 20 seconds to spout conventional wisdom while some empty-headed “opponent” talks over you. It does no good. It’s just feeding the monster.
Glenn tells a funny!! ;-)
Shame on Jane!!! /s
Do you think it’s possible that other nations will lay war crimes charges against the members of the current admin at The Hague. Maybe if the new admin does nothing, we could take some refuge in the key architects not being able to travel internationally to avoid being ‘rendered’ to The Hague!
Sorry, Jane, if my questions seemed off-topic with my progressives on TV question. I shoulda contextualized:
Without voices to equalize the inequity Glenn’s book is about, the right-wing narrative endures.
So, to push back, how do we get more libs on the TV?
Great, you were my first choice for the AG and I plan to make sure others get on that bandwagon at the right time. I’m sure there are many people more than willing to back me up on that. Thanks for all your open, clear and honest reporting over the last couple years, you have helped me keep faith in this country and the real media. No need to respond to this comment, just accept my thanks and keep up the great work because you and the people that write here are some of our more important National Treasures in a time they have been looted for the most part.
Maybe we can get you and Jane on Olberman. That would be a good forum to communicate with Democrats about how they are inadvertently enabling the press to use tabloid and personality based stories to harm Democrats.
TV? I know both of you have been on C-Span, but what about CNN or MSNBC? For all of KO’s good, he mostly has the same, tired, worn out people on(Chuck Todd, Jonathan Alter to name just two). The one good thing is that at least Rachel Maddow is on.
Sory jane, if Times article was off-topic.
Is there anyone in the MSM that has applauded you for your new book?
There are so few progressives on TV because they are scared to death of us. They can’t abide the truth so they hide from it. It won’t do them any good in the long run.
That is a good question. How do we go about making it known that Glenn and Jane should be on KO. He posts at The Great Orange Satan, so it shouldn’t be that hard.
Another question, Glenn:
Thanks for answering my first question. Now, a deeper one:
Is it possible that these tribal narratives are more deep-seated than your book implies, and that some minds (mine has never been one) are just more subject to the “who’s manlier” “argument”?
I really think that right minds are different from lefty minds, and I think that’s also a factor at work here. And I wonder if smearing both, in the end, will really work (though I’m 100% in favor of trying it).
In other words, even if BOTH teams get smear equity, the right will STILL think their guy is more manly and thus more ready to lead. Because manliness IS leadership.
Thoughts on the underlying mindsets?
Glenn:
Any plans for you to be on Colbert or The Daily Show?
It seems to me that the Democrats in leadership positions lack the charisma necessary to hold the attention of the MSM. They cannot get a message out. While Bill Clinton packs plenty of charm, he’s only interested in the Clintons so that’s no help to Democrats. The Democrats need new leadership that can demand and hold the attention of the MSM.
Has anyone in progressive community sought out retired journalists to enlist their help in going after our vapid media? I know Froomkin linked to a piece by retired NYT columnist Anthony Lewis. What does Lewis think about this new media and why isn’t he writing about it? Or is he?
You may be right. Nancy is so boring she makes my teeth itch and Harry is absolutely catatonic.
Does John “WATB” Boehner have charisman? .. Just as much as Harry Reid. Heck, even the ones that have charisma get beaten up unless like Feingold .. they more or less stay out of the limelight
Yes, I do think that. As I said, these are powerful themes. That’s why I think these themes need to be engaged directly. Is there really anything more “manly” about right-wing leaders or more “effeminate” about liberal males or “emasculating” about liberal females? No. So why let those themes fester?
That would be because most (the ones I frequent, anyway) use facts and demand accountability.
Which would take time away from cocktail parties and the weenies that are served at them.
I wish someone in the progressive community would create a DVD that let’s the American people know how the press manipulates them. We could all donate to get copies into the hands of all Americans. While a lot of people wouldn’t watch the DVD I bet a lot of them would. Who knows, it might make a difference. It could be called something like…How your country has been stolen from you.
I understand the desire to prosecute Administration officials, believe me I do, I have the fever myself; however, for a variety of reasons, I see prosecution as problematic and unlikely. For one, by the time the DOJ of the new administration could actually get to it, the statute of limitations will have run on most everything done during Bush’s first term, which is when the really egregious stuff was initiated and was at it’s most legally exposed state. Furthermore, the act of Congress in passing things like the PAA, MCA, etc. really serves to undercut any argument that there could be no reasonable doubt. Even if they are out of office, it is quite possible that an impeachment investigation and trial would still be the best vehicle for accountability.
Glenn, I’ve been reading both you and Susan Faludi – you have somewhat similar takes on what’s going on in this country with John Wayne – our penchant for excessive myth-making that is, it seems, grounded in tons of insecurity.
Faludi on 9/11:
We had the media hailing the return of John Wayne masculinity, and there was all this talk about scared housewives, you know, wanting protection and men defending family homes from attack, and all of this was quite mystifying on several fronts. And here you have hijackers who had aimed their planes at the monuments of military and financial power, yet our culture as a whole was reacting as if our home and hearth was under attack. And here you have an attack by men who hate western women’s liberation, yet the rhetoric and the culture was all about how we needed to return traditional family values and that the attacks were going to cause women to rush out and get married and have babies and reconsider their independence and stay home and sew drapes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/14/usa3
The parallels between your work and Faludi’s are very interesting.
Thanks for the answer.
100% agree.
One final question:
(Not an endorsement question, truly.) What do you think of Obama’s specific strategy of characterizing these “othering” attacks (Muslim, Weather Underground, Wright) as “distractions” and “politics as usual” that he wants us to rise above?
Glenn,
Thanks for a great book and a wonderful conversation.
I’m headed out now.
Glenn, do you have a definition of masculinity that might work for progressives?
From todays WaPo (Colbert King):
HRC and the republican right wing.
Right on your point, eh Glenn/Jane? HRC letting the RW take her stuff and use it, and them returning the favor. Delightful.
I just came back from my county democratic convention choosing delegates to the 5th Congressional delegation. It was interesting to watch. Per the initial caucus, the delegates were choosing 9 Obama delegates and 3 Clinton. I, as a non-voting alternate, lead the Clinton group in presenting the potential delegates and in the voting. Afterwards I had to talk extensively with one woman that would refuse to vote for Obama, making sure she understood that if she chose not to vote for Obama if he is the nominee, she would be letting America down. I asked her to wait until after the national convention and really think hard about the impact of her vote. Her daughter was happy, since I was saying what she had been trying to along. Based on what the lady said, I blame some of her reaction on the media coverage. That make everyone a caricature.
and from #94:
i don’t think these kind of attacks are something i should “rise above”… but i confess to the squeamishness you mention (and warn against) above. so much of their mode of attack is based on gender roles i want no part in perpetuating – the trick for me is how to attack both the individual and the underlying premises re gender roles at the same time.
glenn, you do this very well. in addition to reading your book, do you have any quick suggestions on how you approach this?
Thanks everyone, for the great discussion. I’ve done numerous discussions, speeches, interviews, events, etc. about the book. As was true for my first two books as well, the FDL event is always one of the best because of the great questions and well-informed comments. Thanks again.
Just be your own man.
Most Republicans I know are insecure. They prefer gated communities. They are afraid, very afraid. We must keep them that way.
Just by not being afraid we can redefine them as they truly are. They are creatures of perception only. We are real.
I notice that when one MSM outlet runs a tabloid piece all the others follow. And because of this echo chamber they get more bang for their buck. In contrast we have so much diversity on progressive blogs that good stuff like Greenwald’s is not always picked up. How can we remedy that so that progressives can get the same bang for their buck?
There seems to be data now that the younger generation is less sexist and less racist ever and they are turning out to vote in record numbers in Democratic primaries. I know that this group watches Comedy Central, but are the MSM/cable taking notice of this in who they ask to be on , in who hosts shows or what issues they talk about?
Glenn, do you think the Charlie & George Debate was to make up for ABC’s scoop the previous week about the Torture Meetings at the White House? Getting Bush to admit he approved them had to have pissed off his boss; I wonder if using the right-wing points so directly in the debate was ABC’s way of pleasing Cheney and McCain.
Of course, as you so aptly point out, Charlie & George didn’t go far beyond what the others do, all the time — but the Hannity stenography was rather bold, I thought.
I don’t thing the next President that wants to use the same tactics used by this one will hesitate to go even farther unless we do prosecute someone for starting down the road to tyranny as these guys have. Barack says that in his administration we will not have Scooter Libby justice and the crowd roared. He said we will not be spied upon by our own government without warrants and that Habeas Corpus will live again, and the crowd was ecstatic! The people want it; yet the reps that they elect don’t. We must start making it clear that the reason the people are electing Reps who don’t want what they do is because of unintelligent selection criteria. We must point out that in 2000, Bush got to be President and it was said it was because Gore was too wooden and too phony while Bush was the guy you would want to go have a beer with. The people got what they deserved! How wooden can you be when you go out and try to save the world and win an Emmy, an Oscar and the Nobel Peace Prize for your efforts, and you use much of your own money trying to help people. Meanwhile your opponent starts wars, reduces a surplus to a debt, wrecks the economy with his policies and through his incompetence, all but deletes the middle class and kills a lot of people in the 9/11 incident and then in Katrina.
We need to make clear that those questions they asked in that debate were the same types of things that got us Bush and the same types of things that elects Blue Dogs and Rethugs and people who refuse to understand climate change, et al.
Guess we’re talking among ourselves now… ;)
Many thanks Glen, both for being here and for the great work you are doing through your book and your blog.
we know so much about the ugly family and corporate history of most of the players. shouldn’t we hammer that point to no end? unless we face what we’re really dealing with here, we can not move forward.
Wow, the time went so quickly. Thanks, Glenn. Keep up the good work!
The mindset that has been created in this country…that “they would never do something like that…something that bad”….is the real problem….the “they are incompetent, but they aren’t that bad”….You can’t prosecute them, because they were just trying to “protect the Homeland”…
They are “that bad”!!! They torture. They spy on us. They lied us into war. How does one undo this false perception that as been created? The very same one they are creating for McCain? They build the immunity wall…the hero…he would never be unpatriotic.. before they do what they do…How do we counter this?
Dipped in frikkin’ teflon from the start.
Thank you Glenn,
and Jane!
that did go fast. thank you glenn and jane.
Ditto.
saved this for the after conversation, since it wasn’t really on topic…
in reply to RevDeb @ 80:
that’s was only one part of what i was trying to get at… in addition to non-blog readers, i was also thinking blog readers and bloggers because:
1) if more of us (engaged blog readers) internalized what good news programs could look like we’d be better at the pile-on and
2) we’d be better informed ourselves. i’ve read a lot of blogs, and especially on foreign policy it’s scary sometimes how much of the MSM mythology is accepted and repeated by even the best bloggers. i want more of them getting at least some of their news from democracy now! (or whatever is your favorite alternative news source is).
Great day at the Lake. The post with Larry Joe was one of the best candidate spots I’ve seen and, of course, Glenn is exceptional.
It appears that at this point our Constitution and Bill of Rights are purely symbolic! There are mechanisms to enforce them, but there does not seem to be any desire. Mukasey now asserts that the laws are whatever the Justice Dept. says they are. I have no idea why we even have a legislative branch anymore.
Thanks, Glenn. Good luck on your book tour.
I was pretty astounded to see that a Huff Post post had over 2,000 diggs!!
I watch DN every morning during the week, and find that they often report on what the blogs talked about the day before. Amy Goodman does a great service. They expose, in depth, some of the most heinous things happening also in areas that the blogs don’t really touch, on a regular basis. Amy Goodman has been very instrumental in bringing out the news on Blackwater for example. Her work after Katrina was great, and her work on the Americas (Central and South) is the only game in town. No one really examines it the way DN does. JM2cents
Or a judicial branch, for that matter! Quaint!
Very interesting discussion. Thanks Glenn and Jane.
In the context of the discussion I started wondering how much video or even audio there is out there of McCain blowing up. I’d sure like to see that used as anti McCain TV commercial- tho I doubt that the Dem presidential contender would go there. First thought is something that in some way “mirrors” (maybe even parodies *g*) that Hillary commercial- It’s three AM… etc. Is the man who should have his finger on the nuke button? But I’m not an ad expert! ;)
Thank you Glenn and Jane, indeed! FWIW I’d much rather Glenn appear on Bill Moyer’s PBS show than any of the MSM talking head slots. Though a KO slot would certainly boost his book sales. I am encouraged to learn Glenn anticipates the possibility his new book may enjoy a second bump following the Denver convention. ;~)
You might like this fdl digg history.
No Glenn. American ARE stupid and shallow. To a degree that few can risk so much as allowing themselves to imagine.
Sometimes I feel as if we are fighting ourselves out of a brown paper bag. It’s got some holes now, but I want it gone.
Thank you, thank you!! I only ever see something like 22 or something at the top of a page. Thank you!
Thanks Jane and Glen.
even if commercials like that would come out, the 29 percenters would say that McVain only shows his manliness by giving those librul journalist their come uppance… And the talking heads would applaud his mavericainness.
A very dysfunctional bunch they are.
I believe I’d file that one under “many a truth is spoke in jest”…
Daily Show would be a really good idea! Perfect, IMO. Both shows are, really!
Q- oh, the stuff I’d heard about does not involve him losing it with liberal journalists!
yeah, especially as DN! has been doing it since before there was much blogging.
and, for example, jeremy scahill (of blackwater fame) has worked with amy goodman for a long time. from wikipedia:
amy goodman isn’t just a talking head, she’s been a fantastic and courageous investigative reporter. and of course, she has glenn on for extended interviews – which shows excellent judgment, imo. *g*
if i was limited to just one news source – it would be DN! without a doubt.
Glenn, loves your Bush book. I am planning on buying your new one, too.
Sold another one!
I promise to buy it.
Looking good, Jane.