In his new foray into right wing victimology documentary filmmaking, Ben Stein turns his hand to the underexplored tale of how intelligent design proponents are discriminated against in academia. An intellectually honest endeavor, no doubt, but the filmmakers seem to have felt the need to cloak their intent from those who were asked to participate:
Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins and others have complained in various public statements that they were duped into participating in interviews for the film. They have said the filmmakers misrepresented the kind of movie they were making.
And according to James Boyce in the Huffington Post, the band the Killers likewise had the nature of the film ... obfuscated ... in order to obtain their consent. This is how it was described:
The film is a satirical documentary with an estimated running time of 1 hour and 50 minutes, exploring academic freedom in public schools and government institutions with actor, comedian, economist, Ben Stein as the spokesperson.
"Academic freedom?" Why do the wingnuts always feel compelled to wrap their agendas in liberal frames? One has to suspect that deep down they know their whole game is just a big flim-flam.
Anyway, deceiving someone about the content of a work with which you want to associate theirs is bad enough, but I guess they decided they had no hope of clearing John Lennon's "Imagine" -- so they didn't even bother trying, and claimed First Amendment protection of "free speech."
Good luck with that.
Boyce speculates that the movie makers were hoping they'd get sued and it would elevate the profile of the movie. If that was the plan, I'd say they're probably staring down the barrel of a rather considerable monetary settlement at the moment. Not only was the song used by professional people with adequate legal counsel who should have known better, they intentionally obfuscated the subject of the picture and potentially diminished the cornerstone of the entire Lennon estate by associating it with subject matter that the song's author, a noted atheist, would have in all likelihood reviled.
Boyce describes the use:
Count slowly to 25 seconds and imagine looking at pictures of Nazi death camps and hearing John Lennon (evidently where they use the song in the movie.)
And as for all that free publicity they were hoping for? Well, before they go to all that trouble of nailing themselves to a public cross, they should know that the first commandment in the synch license bible is, "If thou are caught stealing, thy settlement shall include a multitude of zeros and lo shalt thou shuteth thy mouth about the entire thing."
Given their somewhat notable silence in the face of all this juicy publicity, I imagine it's something they're already discovering.
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Assholes.
thanks, Jane. I absolutely detest Ben Stein. Always have.
Ya gotta assume Yoko’s going to have something to say about this.
typo alert;
left out the k in know
Both about the copyright infringement and about the utter artistic incompatibility.
Stein an Moore should have a “film off”…
I know where I’ll put MY money…
Sicko is his best yet.
Is Stein a religious whacko? Is he jewish?
how do you spell
yyyeeyyyeyeyyeyeyyeyyeeeeyeeyeyyeyyeyeeeeeeeeeeeeyeeye
But he’s an actor, a comedian, AND an economist! (And his views on economics are no doubt the funniest acting he’s ever done.)
Like that.
here’s the thing, ignorance of the masses gives them power
and knowledge of creation deminishes the knowledge of the church
we have three forms for power zealots and all are acting as though they are on the same team, there is the government power, military power and the power of religion
these three in america are acting as one, they are all acting so the other can gain influence along with themselves
and so they want to teach magic in school in the place of science
Oh Yoko
Oh Yo-oh-ko
How incredibly stoopid they all are.
Stein’s voice and politics irritate me almost as much as LIEberliar’s.
The swarm of lawyers descending on Ben Stein’s place will make the plague of locusts that the Egyptians had to deal with look like nothing.
Oh Yoko
And being Lame Ben Stein, there have been some rather awful commercials starring him and advertising this movie on some of the cable networks.
Stein claims that the theory of evolution led to the halocaust…unusual point of view eh?
Stein was in the Nixon administration and was thought at one time to be “deep throat”. (DEEPER THAN DEEP- YOUR THROAT).
The fundies have been trotting out that particular lie for years now. Stein isn’t even original in his intellectually irresponsible hyperbole.
He was a Nixon speech writer, what do you expect?
Ya’ know I can see that.
This American Life did a show on Kid Logic last year with similar examples of perfectly well reasoned analysis which led to an utterly wrong conclusion.
Beware of his economic analysis as well.
McBush made only $750k in two years- far less than his dem opponents…
In terms of gooper social darwinism (which they believe in while eschewing the other kind), McBush is bound for extinction- clobbered by stronger genes in the captial grabbing jungle.
Wait a minute . . . Isn’t Ben a lawyer?
Per wiki:
[Click through for internal links and notes.]
First Yoo, and now this. Does anyone know if his law license is up to date and if he still is an active member of a state bar?
This movie is based on a Professor at Iowa State University. He has tried to get local press coverage. The fact remains that he was not denied tenure because of his Intelligent Design beliefs, rather it was his poor work that denied him tenure. He appealed throught several independent review boards and everyone stated the same thing; he was a mediocre professor and that is why he was essentially fired. Not because of his ID beliefs. Poor Right Wing nuts can’t catch a break can they?
Pepperdine Law School
Where fascism is just another cornerstone of the curriculum
I really liked him in Ferris Bueller’s day off though.
Thanks for this, Jane. Over at Pharyngula, PZ Myers and his merry band of science lovers have been batting around Stein and the makers of this thing like a cat whacks around a catnip toy.
What’s really funny is that the makers of the film are trying a countersuit gambit. No kidding. That’s going to go over really well. As one of PZ’s commenters said: “Short version of the Premise media lawsuit: ‘LEEROOOOYYYY nnnJENNNNKINSSS!’”
This is so weird, I wonder if it is some kind of Andy Kaufman style ultra-dry black humor hoaxes. Why would the filmmakers want to use a very powerful, and obviously very non-theistic song in a film advocating intelligent design?
Sometimes I can be a little slow. Did I miss something here?
John McCain’s campaign is crying foul over what it characterizes as repeated distortions from Barack Obama, saying on Friday the Illinois senator is “recklessly dishonest.”
The most recent dustup comes after Obama criticized McCain earlier Friday for comments the Arizona senator made in an interview on Bloomberg Television.
“John McCain went on television and said that there has been quote “great progress economically over the last seven and a half years,” Obama told a Pennsylvania crowd. “John McCain thinks our economy has made great progress under George W. Bush. Now, how could somebody who has been traveling across this country, somebody who came to Erie, PA, say we’ve made great progress?”
Because they’re clueless and have no sense of irony?
AAAARRGHHH…. It’s enough to make me want to stick icepicks in my ears.
I missed something. What did Obama say that was “dishonest?”
In other words, they’re right-wingers.
The McCain campaign immediately took issue with the comment, noting the Arizona senator also said he knows families are facing “tremendous economic challenges.”
“American families are hurting and Barack Obama is being recklessly dishonest,” McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said. “It is clear that Barack Obama is intentionally twisting John McCain’s words completely out of context. Obama is guilty of deliberately distorting John McCain’s comments for pure political gain, which is exactly what Senator Obama was complaining about just yesterday.”
Looks like the producers of Expelled have their own problems with freedeom of thought and discussion:
The pharyngula blogger was not allowed to see a screening of the movie.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyn.....pelled.php
OT:
Seems like Gen. Myers is naming names in a new book by Phillipe Sands. Specifically names, Cheney, Yoo, Feith, Addington, Rumsfeld and Bybee. Who knows if he is trying to save his legacy or not….Inquiring minds want to know the truth about torture.
If he was a professor of biology at a decent school like Iowa State, simply holding beliefs as patently ridiculous as ID would be sufficient to deny him tenure. He should go to Bryan College in Tennessee or Pat Robertson’s Regent U, where they share the fantasy.
As far as evolution being used as a justification for the Holocaust, that canard has been tossed around a lot. There is no question that Hitler et Cie bought into the eugenics argument in a big way. On the other hand, breeding better people has little or nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
The problem probably compounds because in the first act of the 20th C war of nationalism the Germans were true believers in evolution, especially in the Social Darwinism interpretation. Some folks apparently can’t remember the difference between 1914 and 1940…
BC
1,816 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
You go woman…eeeee-DOGGIES, how you cut so deep and don’t even leave a mark??!!! You get another Norske Citizenship Award fer this post, Sister Jane…and John Lennon is smilin’ on ya right now!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS WILL NOT GO QUIETLY!!!
Obama quoted McCain directly. Is there some “context” that makes what he quoted less clueless?
ooo, dat’s good
An intellectually honest endeavor, no doubt
Tough to start off an intellectually honest effort with a lie, I think. It’s also tough to think of any reason to believe proponents of such a crackpot theory could be intellectually honest.
I have to agree with Ben Stein. How can we accomplish our march back to the Middle Ages unless we embrace the pseudo-sciences?
How are they going to swiftboat Meyers? You know they will try.
“right wing victimology”
________
No shit. Ya gotta laugh at this putative Vast Majority of Believers who are SO thwarted at every turn by the tiny secular humanist conspiracy.
I think what John Lennon represented is more with this
Two words: rats and lice. Of course bypassing anything learned during the age of enlightenment won’t hurt either. It’ll be tough, but I think that No Child Left Behind is helping immensely.
This whole Ben Stein movie thing seems like an attempt by a neocon money Repug to give a tip of the hat to the religious whacko Repugs that they generally try to keep out of their social circle. He senses the divide that is widening between the two groups and has decided on his own to try to give them some respect. At the cost of scientific logic, of course. Maybe he will try to get his other Wall Street neocon friends to do the same. The religious repugs have been straying off the reservation lately.
Reads like total bullshit– Myers didn’t want to know what was being done within his own command…
Cowardice begins at the very top.
When someone figures out that Clusterfuck himself was responsible for Abu Ghraib and then threw a bunch of young soldiers to the wolves blamin the whole thing on them- there oughta be hell ta pay…
But hell don’t get paid anymore.
For anyone who hasn’t read it yet, check out PZ Myers’ hilarious recounting of the occasion a month or so ago when he, Dawkins and a few others sought to attend a sneak preview of Expelled at the Mall of America theater. They had applied to be put on the list of invitees over the internet and were accepted. When they got to the theater Myers was pulled aside and denied admission but they didn’t recognize Dawkins and let him in. This fiasco got quite a bit of MSM coverage.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyn.....pelled.php
I can see it now: Well he signed off on it.
Don’t forget leeches.
Big pharma will have to retool production facilities.
Ben Stein’s movie is to the world of science as Fox’s Half Hour News Hour was to comedy. I haven’t seen either, but I feel secure in leaping to that assumption.
Thought I remembered this guy. From Wikipedia:
Speechwriter for Nixon - there’s a job requiring intellectual honesty, eh?
Oh, it gets even better . . . Anyone want to guess what Ben taught at Pepperdine Law School?
From his official bio: “At Pepperdine, he has taught about libel law and about securities law and ethical issues . . .”
Ethics? Ethics? Ethics?
I do not think he knows what the word means.
Agreed. The author makes an important observation: “”[Myers] really had taken his eye off the ball … he didn’t ask too many questions, or inquire too deeply, and kept his distance from the decision-making process.”
That’s actually a really good idea, as is maggot therapy. Now, out and out bleeding people…well in the middle ages, you gotta get them bad humours out somewise. Me, I think I’m heavy on the bile, lately. That debate the other night didn’t help a bit.
OT
David Boren and Sam Nunn (!) have endorsed Obama.
Amazing.
In Stein’s defense, it was Pepperdine.
The Sheik is rockin’!
This is soooo Ben Stein! Satirical documentary! Just what the hell is that? When did Ben Stein become a satarist? I must be falling behind the times.
I wonder if they intentionally superimposed “Imagine” over footage of the Nazis as if to say, “This is what atheism gets you.”
I had no idea that Stein was a real lawyer. I just thought he played one on TV. :)
These days, the irony is so thick it’s hard to see through.
yep! He’s doing just fine.
Ding.
That was frickin’ hilarious. They kept out PZ, but didn’t recognize Dawkins — and then lied about it. Repeatedly. Even after their lies kept getting debunked.
Ben Stein’s entire career is a satire of himself, for which you gotta give him a bit of credit. Buehler? Buehler?
There are just so many ways to lie with this setup.
Then they’re as misinformed as folks here have alleged. Hitler was rraised Catholic, and often claimed to be Christian, or at least iinspired by Christian ideas.
The incompetent and unprofessional journalist who moderated the ABC debate seem to be quite proud of the little pile they dropped on the floor of public discourse the other night. Gibson is giddy. He considers it a great succes -big ratings an big buzz.
So, seriously, how do I get a popular revolt brewing.
I want a public indictment of the way the corporate media are producing the debates, and movement to scrap the system starting right now, before the November general electon.
I want an analysis and critique of the debates by independent experts in journalism and relevant fields. I want an indictment and bill of particulars and I want these fraudulent journalists publicly confronted and I want a widely publicized request for a public response from them. I want a public movement to strip the corporate media of the right to produce those debates. I want a new system for producing the debates.
And I want to start right now.
How do I get that started? I’m all like Mickey Rooney in that old move -“Gee whiz, kids, we can do our own debates, right here out in the barn!”
Even if the corporate media debate sponsorships cannot be blown up before the general electon, such an effort would raise public awareness and provide information to the public. At the very least it would generate a healthy skepticism about the information the corporate media is providing.
I’ve contacted ABC and their local affiliates to complain, and am going to contact my representative to complain this weekend.
I could not sign the Move-on petition. It seemed like a weak, wimpy and inadequate response. It seemed like impotent whining and I could not sign it.
So, what do I do?
Actually, leeches have important medical uses today. And maggots, used to debride non-healing wounds.
Just lookin at the new poll on Iraq….
Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties; OR, do you think the United States should withdraw its military forces from Iraq in order to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if that means civil order is not restored there?” Options rotated
.
Keep Forces Withdraw
Forces Unsure
% % %
4/10-13/08
41 56 3
12/6-9/07
43 53 4
9/27-30/07
43 54 3
7/18-21/07
39 59 3
4/12-15/07
42 56 2
2/22-25/07
42 56 2
1/16-19/07
46 52 3
56% of the public wants forces withdrawn- but more people trust McBush to handle Iraq than either of the dems….
I don’t get it.
Republicans who misbehave are rarely expelled…
Air Force woosie
Stein et al will come to rue the day they fucked with a Lennon copyright. No one is more vigilant in protecting their copyrights and licensing than are these peeps.
Former Clinton Cabinet member, Robert Reich too!
May be weak but they now have over 200,000 signatures and will run an ad on the ABC web page.
Have to start somewhere.
Pepperdine is a wonderful school with top notch talent. Why, doesn’t Ken Starr teach there?
I get it. Panicky people don’t have time to stop watching American Idol and learn things.
Timing!
Well, when you start out to make an earnest political commentary, but the reviews start making fun of how stupid and utterly outrageous it is, then what can you do? You could call it satire, right?
Bob in HI
Peterr…fyi…there was a protest disrupting John Yoo’s class the day you posted your FDL article. Also I tried to access the Dean Edley/student forum to no avail. There are some LTE in the Daily Cal you might be interested.
I did stumble over some appalling support for Yoo in academia. Why can’t these people realize Yoo was acting as enabling lawyer not ivory tower publishing maniac?
Yoo was just following orders..
We can go back to the words of the galling elitist Margaret Carlson who “knew that Bush favored the powerful over the weak every time”….
But you know he served Dove Bars to the press so they went easy on him.
Marie Antionette aint got nothing on these plutocrats.
-G
I don’t think Myers got where he was by speaking his mind. It floors me that of all the generals who were around at the start of the war, not one resigned in protest. Some basically eschewed promotion, but that’s as far as it went. I realize that sort of thing isn’t done in the military, yet it still floors me somehow.
O/T - From the Bu’ush Department of Recursive Rhetorical Flatulence:
“…so long as I’m the President, my measure of success is victory and success.”
ABC News should be sued for fraud. They don’t do news. They do infotainment. That’s why Gibson is giddy. He doesn’t care that it was a pile. All he cares about is that it was a pile watched by a lot of people.
Dove bars are pretty damned good- especially the ones with almonds….guess we can understand.
Yes, but he didn’t need to enjoy it so much.
Can’t blame a guy for unusual hobbies eh?
The real question is why DOES Ken Starr teach at Pepperdine?
hmm, wonder how he got that job?
Yoo
“OK let ME shock the shit out of the guy’s dick this time—-YOWSA”
Ding.
I’m befuddled. I was noting how smug Gibson was during the previous debate and someone who knew him personally defended him and said what a nice guy he was. Really.
Now I revert back to my originally held position that Charlie Gibson’s a jerk.
They cool your mouth down after a down home McCainbeque at his little cabin with the guest house.
-G
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....guantanamo
The Guardian has quite an expose in today’s paper. Didn’t see much in WaPo or NYT. It’s front and center in the London papers. Why is General Myers exposing all he knows now? It’s amazing what happens as one gets older and you start to think about the atrocities you were party to and now, soon, you will meet your maker. Come clean! I was “hoodwinked”.
It’s amazing what you don’t know when you choose not to know and your excuse is ignorance. Myers choose to take his eye off the ball and not ask question. I’ve been through this movie before.
Myers will arrive at the pearly gates crying he was hoodwinked by others.
They saw what happened to Shinseki when he did speak his mind. FWIW, for all their “commendations and medals” the Flag Officers are still humans with all the negatives associated with that.
And peace time Flag Officers tend to be get along/go along types. AKA politicians.
O/T- Unelectability Update.
Actually, IIRC one did, although not publicly. He was a three-star Marine who headed one of the Joint Staff sections. Greg somebody, IIRC, DJC for Operations. Sorry I don’t off the top recall his surname.
No harm, no foul!
Unfortunately, in the case of Abu and Yoo, I can’t help myself.
200,000? Wow, that is good. I will reconsider.
But, why don’t they have a plan to strike back and DO something. A well publized effert to discredit not only ABC, but the whole corporate media debate production system is needed. Public disgrace of whole system of fraudulent journalism with wide public supprot with
a threat to take away big ad revenue and and destry their bogus method to generate credibility
would really hurt them.
If they had that, and went public big, who knows how many signatures they might get.
I meant to include this quote from your comment at #85:
I stand corrected. Well, sit corrected, actually. Can’t type well when I’m standing.
Is that true? Seems to me that some bailed- but I can’t remember for sure…some might as well have resigned- like the guy who contradicted Rummy on teevee and got drummed out of the service….
Lots of ex generals tried to make a statement during the 04 election- but they were never as loud or direct as the swiftboaters.
I don’t remember Hitler being an athiest. He was brought up Catholic and spent his young adult life as a Catholic until he joined an evangelical born-again type religion. He was inspired by Martin Luther and when he spoke to crowds he read from Martin Luther’s “The Jews and their Lies” (1543) in which Luther strongly urges the people to rid the earth of Jews.
The first thing you see on the Expelled website is:
Ben Stein
Expelled
& then below:
No Intelligence Allowed
Hysterically funny & self revealing.
Meanwhile in Afghanistan the toll for coalition soldiers nears 800 and the son of the top general from The Netherlands was killed this week…
Spring is here it appears the Taliban is getting the band back together and is rallying some of the old leaders from the anti-Russian resistance and reports that they may even be in negotiations with the Northern Alliance who were instrumental in the early US engagements in Afghanistan.
-G
The clock is ticking on McBush…
Most people don’t really know yet what his agenda is…he needs to keep the focus off that issue until after the gooper convention at which point he’ll try to make a giant change of course toward sanity–
But the damned war is goin south on him an the economy is suckin big wind.
It’s now clear that Clusterfuck’s economic miracle was a brief uptick between recessions…
The time to bear down on McBush is NOW.
He’s got reporters with him every single fuckin day…why don’t they ask him any fuckin questions?
That’s a great ###### question…
Obama needs to show us that he can take a piece out of McBush…
The Afghanis kicked the crap out of the Russians, who had land-based proximity. They may well kick the crap out of us. These are tough people not one whit impressed by us and our $400 billion military bluster.
Their mothers taught them to never talk with their mouths full.