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		<title>By: Praedor</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395893</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know about the later USSR but I think it can be stated that the early USSR WAS a real threat, paranoid or not about its neighbors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am currently reading a book published in, I believe, 1928, called &lt;i&gt;You Can’t Print That”.  It is about censorship around the world, delving into the rise of Mussolini’s fascist Italy, the early years of the USSR, and other situations that bred rampant censorship (French occupation of Algeria, British occupation of various countries…it doesn’t just focus on the historic big bad boys of common yore).  The Red Army, as originally intended, was to serve as an &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;international&lt;/i&gt; army that would immediately jump into any revolt (that they and their communist colleagues in that country brought about) inside said country in order to bring the dictatorship of the proletariat into being.  Their actual intent WAS to foment such revolutions, and send the Red Army to fight “alongside their revolutionary brethren”, in more and more nations.  They wanted to focus on immediate neighbors first (for obvious logistical reasons) with the vison that bit by bit, country by country, the “revolution” would inevitably spread and the Red Army would be there to fight at the expanding front all the way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That isn’t insular paranoia, that is a policy of exporting revolution and overthrow.  Perhaps in later years, as the revolutionary luster washed off the edifice, it became less and less about fomenting and supporting revolution for inherent philosophical reasons and more about paranoia, but then again, maybe not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just saying.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know about the later USSR but I think it can be stated that the early USSR WAS a real threat, paranoid or not about its neighbors.</p>
<p>I am currently reading a book published in, I believe, 1928, called <i>You Can’t Print That”.  It is about censorship around the world, delving into the rise of Mussolini’s fascist Italy, the early years of the USSR, and other situations that bred rampant censorship (French occupation of Algeria, British occupation of various countries…it doesn’t just focus on the historic big bad boys of common yore).  The Red Army, as originally intended, was to serve as an </i><i>international</i> army that would immediately jump into any revolt (that they and their communist colleagues in that country brought about) inside said country in order to bring the dictatorship of the proletariat into being.  Their actual intent WAS to foment such revolutions, and send the Red Army to fight “alongside their revolutionary brethren”, in more and more nations.  They wanted to focus on immediate neighbors first (for obvious logistical reasons) with the vison that bit by bit, country by country, the “revolution” would inevitably spread and the Red Army would be there to fight at the expanding front all the way.</p>
<p>That isn’t insular paranoia, that is a policy of exporting revolution and overthrow.  Perhaps in later years, as the revolutionary luster washed off the edifice, it became less and less about fomenting and supporting revolution for inherent philosophical reasons and more about paranoia, but then again, maybe not.</p>
<p>Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395872</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now c’mon.  The Bin Laden family itself is not evil.  Osama is, literally, a black sheep in that family.  Sure, the Bin Ladens are “close” with the Bush’s because of corporate ties but they are not evil (the Bin Ladens that is…the Bushs, definitely evil since their family supported Hitler in pre-WWII through early WWII days).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush has used the entire 9/11 thing to milk the situation for everything he could get in the PNAC outline.  Nothing more, nothing less.  This entire last 8 years has been about amassing more wealth for the Bush’s and Bush friends/colleagues, while also engraining in stone all the abuses of Nixon (plus some) into common, accepted Presidential power.  They literally set out after 9/11 to make it a FACT that “if the President does it, then it isn’t illegal”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now c’mon.  The Bin Laden family itself is not evil.  Osama is, literally, a black sheep in that family.  Sure, the Bin Ladens are “close” with the Bush’s because of corporate ties but they are not evil (the Bin Ladens that is…the Bushs, definitely evil since their family supported Hitler in pre-WWII through early WWII days).</p>
<p>Bush has used the entire 9/11 thing to milk the situation for everything he could get in the PNAC outline.  Nothing more, nothing less.  This entire last 8 years has been about amassing more wealth for the Bush’s and Bush friends/colleagues, while also engraining in stone all the abuses of Nixon (plus some) into common, accepted Presidential power.  They literally set out after 9/11 to make it a FACT that “if the President does it, then it isn’t illegal”.</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395864</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cross,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hold no brief for the USSR.  But it seems to me that their leaders were paranoid about the power of the USA after WWII and we had risen up to be the major power in the world and this was seen as a threat to their simulated people’s republic.  They probably feared that the USA might move in on them as we did on Japan, and Germany and so they got into the smoke and mirrors of the cold war and grabbed some neighboring countries and established the iron curtain - a buffer zone and a sphere of influence.  Then the went off to the larger world to find surrogates like Cuba and Nicaragua where they supported marxists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whatever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The USSR had no interest in Illinois or Montana.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cross,</p>
<p>I hold no brief for the USSR.  But it seems to me that their leaders were paranoid about the power of the USA after WWII and we had risen up to be the major power in the world and this was seen as a threat to their simulated people’s republic.  They probably feared that the USA might move in on them as we did on Japan, and Germany and so they got into the smoke and mirrors of the cold war and grabbed some neighboring countries and established the iron curtain &#8211; a buffer zone and a sphere of influence.  Then the went off to the larger world to find surrogates like Cuba and Nicaragua where they supported marxists.</p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
<p>The USSR had no interest in Illinois or Montana.</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395848</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ding ding ding&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395847</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am an architect and the way the building collapsed is not explainable in any way consistent with my understanding of statics and physics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An impact load of the mass of the volume above the crash zone might have had enough energy to initiate a catastrophic failure.  But that is not what appears to have happened.. or at least what the “findings” were.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The upper section collapse did not have the enough kinetic energy to crash the entire supporting structure below.  And even is it did, the collapse could not have progressed at free fall speed as if there was not inertia of mass to over come.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A “progressive” collapse would simply take more time as all the connections on each floor would become over loaded and then fail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Demolition of steel structures speeds this all up and controls is by breaking multiple connections at the same time or in a precise sequence.  This is why many say the collapse resembles a controlled demolition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there was too much dust and not enough solid debris from a collapse of a building; too much disappeared which should have simple fell and perhaps shattered.  And there were huge sections of steel thrown hundreds of hards which is indicative of some horizontal component rather than a collapse and that could be from an explosion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The collapse from a plane impact does not square with the laws of physics as we know them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an architect and the way the building collapsed is not explainable in any way consistent with my understanding of statics and physics.</p>
<p>An impact load of the mass of the volume above the crash zone might have had enough energy to initiate a catastrophic failure.  But that is not what appears to have happened.. or at least what the “findings” were.</p>
<p>The upper section collapse did not have the enough kinetic energy to crash the entire supporting structure below.  And even is it did, the collapse could not have progressed at free fall speed as if there was not inertia of mass to over come.</p>
<p>A “progressive” collapse would simply take more time as all the connections on each floor would become over loaded and then fail.</p>
<p>Demolition of steel structures speeds this all up and controls is by breaking multiple connections at the same time or in a precise sequence.  This is why many say the collapse resembles a controlled demolition.</p>
<p>And there was too much dust and not enough solid debris from a collapse of a building; too much disappeared which should have simple fell and perhaps shattered.  And there were huge sections of steel thrown hundreds of hards which is indicative of some horizontal component rather than a collapse and that could be from an explosion.</p>
<p>The collapse from a plane impact does not square with the laws of physics as we know them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395837</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bin Laden bankrupted the USSR and he’s well on his way of bankrupting the U.S..  They don’t have any reason for another terrorist attack when all they have to do is sit back and watch the U.S. implode.  His version of “Mission Accomplished.”  Gibson, Stephanopolus, Bush, Cheney, Russert, Bill and Hill, Kristol, Norquist, Hannity, Limbaugh, Will et al of the wealthy status quo elitists will be just fine.  The rest of the country, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bin Laden bankrupted the USSR and he’s well on his way of bankrupting the U.S..  They don’t have any reason for another terrorist attack when all they have to do is sit back and watch the U.S. implode.  His version of “Mission Accomplished.”  Gibson, Stephanopolus, Bush, Cheney, Russert, Bill and Hill, Kristol, Norquist, Hannity, Limbaugh, Will et al of the wealthy status quo elitists will be just fine.  The rest of the country, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395809</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ooops.  even EPU deserves manners.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good morning Attaturk.  I’m addicted to your posts.&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you.   *sniffle*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops.  even EPU deserves manners.</p>
<p>Good morning Attaturk.  I’m addicted to your posts.<br />
Thank you.   *sniffle*</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;coffee…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YES I know there’s a new post, has been for hours &amp; hours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;gimmee a break dammit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we’re down-sizing here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyone want 50 heavy, rusty steel fenceposts?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;could come in handy these days.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;mebbe i send um to shooter collect, air…   *hoists 6-footer &amp; heaves approximately eastwardwise*  umph. little more to the right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coffee…</p>
<p>YES I know there’s a new post, has been for hours &amp; hours.</p>
<p>gimmee a break dammit.</p>
<p>we’re down-sizing here.</p>
<p>anyone want 50 heavy, rusty steel fenceposts?</p>
<p>could come in handy these days.</p>
<p>mebbe i send um to shooter collect, air…   *hoists 6-footer &amp; heaves approximately eastwardwise*  umph. little more to the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395793</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Grab your tin hat and sword and stand by the door awaiting further word.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Morning Raven.  Ms. Bluebird has changed her mind again, but the Mr. is very patient and understanding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a terrible thing for some to have untold riches.  They just can’t figure out what to do with all that extra energy and empty time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EPU and awayyyyyy!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grab your tin hat and sword and stand by the door awaiting further word.</p>
<p>Morning Raven.  Ms. Bluebird has changed her mind again, but the Mr. is very patient and understanding.</p>
<p>It’s a terrible thing for some to have untold riches.  They just can’t figure out what to do with all that extra energy and empty time.</p>
<p>EPU and awayyyyyy!</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/18/its-all-awesome/#comment-1395788</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure you’re right about the Saudis who apparently financed 9/11, but Osama was surprised the towers collapsed. It is not inconceivable he was conned like Lee Oswald into doing something to cover other forces at work. There’s lots about 9/11 that’s unexplained which is why there’s so many conspiracy theories although there isn’t enough information to reach a conclusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One issue on the internet is that jet fuel burns at 1500 degrees while steel melts at 2200 although it supposedly weakens at less than that. I read one post which stated that steel in a building like the World Trade Center doesn’t get above 600 degrees because the heat is transferred throughout the steel framework. On the other hand, I know a structural engineer who says the collision was enough to get the upper twenty floors crashing down in which case the lower structure could not do anything but fail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This begs the question of what, if anything, we the people can do to counteract the powers that be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure you’re right about the Saudis who apparently financed 9/11, but Osama was surprised the towers collapsed. It is not inconceivable he was conned like Lee Oswald into doing something to cover other forces at work. There’s lots about 9/11 that’s unexplained which is why there’s so many conspiracy theories although there isn’t enough information to reach a conclusion.</p>
<p>One issue on the internet is that jet fuel burns at 1500 degrees while steel melts at 2200 although it supposedly weakens at less than that. I read one post which stated that steel in a building like the World Trade Center doesn’t get above 600 degrees because the heat is transferred throughout the steel framework. On the other hand, I know a structural engineer who says the collision was enough to get the upper twenty floors crashing down in which case the lower structure could not do anything but fail.</p>
<p>This begs the question of what, if anything, we the people can do to counteract the powers that be.</p>
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