Comments on: Hillary Clinton Attacks MoveOn

By: DWBartoo

DWBartoo — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:33:37 +0000

Bravo!!!

By: DWBartoo

DWBartoo — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:32:50 +0000

RedHen, please comment here more often.

The larger ‘picture’ is really what ‘this’ should be about.

Thank you.

By: rootless

rootless — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:14:43 +0000

and no argument on the merits of SS reform as actually proposed by the candidates?

By: rootless

rootless — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:11:33 +0000

So no actual argument on the merits of health plans?

By: gloriasolideo

gloriasolideo — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:35:35 +0000

Look, BOTH sides need to understand that their candidate CANNOT win in November WITHOUT supporters of the other candidate. And, frankly, if your candidate becomes the nominee, he or she will be forced to throw some pretty big bones to the other side to elicit their cooperation, the more muck you throw now, the bigger the concessions will need to be.

Be a little more tactful and tactical in your presentation of your opinions. You’re not going to change anyone’s mind with venomous attacks anyway.

By: fahrender

fahrender — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:31:26 +0000

the bottom line is, who will you vote for in November?

i’m voting for the nominee of the Democratic Party.

if you’re doing anything else you’re a traitor to this country, or a Republican.
we know that if we get McCain we get at least four more years of what we’re still going through. any honest sentient being knows that this cannot be good.
politics is often rancid sausage but it doesn’t have to contain botulism.
whoever gets the nomination, i will vote against the Republican nominee.

By: Plantsmantx

Plantsmantx — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:58:43 +0000

For every HRC gaffe, I can give you another reason why Obama might lose my vote too. BO-supporters better hope this one doesn’t get much play on the toobs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw

The supposed “flipping of the bird”? Come on, now.. Anyway, I admire the honesty it took for FDL to meet this head on. I can understand why some of the liberal blogs want to stay above the Clinton/Obama fray, but what was said in that recording is not really about Obama, and it’s not only about MoveOn. MoveOn is not the totality of the activist base of the Democratic party.

By: RedHen

RedHen — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:52:10 +0000

Early in this nominating process, I admired and supported FDL’s efforts to remain above the pie fights. In fact, although I am an Obama supporter I emulated FDL’s principled stand to avoid undermining other Democrats who might eventually be our standard bearer. As of the last few weeks, I feel that a vow of neutrality and taking a position to not take a position amounts to opting out of one of the most important political decisions of our times. I read FDL several times each day and have been disappointed that if I didn’t know there was a struggle going on inside the Democratic Party, I would certainly not be informed about it on this site. Attacks on MoveOn are attacks on liberal Democrats and demonstrate that this contest is among other things, a fight for the heart and soul of the Party. I’m hoping to see some leadership from FDL as the Democratic Party decides whether to wallow in the politics of distraction, division and distortion or whether Democrats choose to engage in the politics of expansion and inclusion – all in the cause of implementing a bold, progressive agenda.

By: boogiecheck

boogiecheck — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:22:04 +0000

HRC also has taken $$ from the Insurance Industry. They’re not about to back someone who is going to cut into their profits. I smell a rat.

By: rootless

rootless — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:20:13 +0000

HRC’s health plan mandates that people purchase insurance. That is not universal care. As most of us know, having an insurance policy, particularly the low end policies that people will be forced into, is no assurance of coverage. So I’m happy to argue the relative merits of the health plans, but don’t begin by representing Hillary’s plan as something that it is not.

In my opinion, Obama’s plan is politically far sounder and Hillary’s plan illustrates her “tin ear”. Her proposal will be easily attacked as a burdensome mandate - which it will be for some people. She will then have to sweeten the package with more and more inducements for the insurance industry - just as she did before. The result will be complex and highly expensive to administer. Obama’s plan is simply to extend availability of the federal plan. It’s a very smart step towards universal care.