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	<title>Comments on: The McCain Of The Moment On Torture</title>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1395810</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;more personal attacks and innuendos… some  i don’t understand like the movie reference… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“ever hear of sarcasm” you use some of the same verbal attacks as Neiwert, who is very concerned about the eliminationist rhetoric of others but feels free to use it when his opinions are disputed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if you meant the implication that McCain was not tortured as sarcasm, why not indicate it as such?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;am i new around here? didn’t know this was a club to be initiated into. sounds like an insider/outsider attack.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nitpicking? another verbal tactic to declare another person’s opinion trivial and reflect on their character. i consider errors of fact, demagoguery and negative propaganda to be things worthy of comment. i think you see them as tools to advance your agenda.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more personal attacks and innuendos… some  i don’t understand like the movie reference… </p>
<p>“ever hear of sarcasm” you use some of the same verbal attacks as Neiwert, who is very concerned about the eliminationist rhetoric of others but feels free to use it when his opinions are disputed. </p>
<p>if you meant the implication that McCain was not tortured as sarcasm, why not indicate it as such?</p>
<p>am i new around here? didn’t know this was a club to be initiated into. sounds like an insider/outsider attack.</p>
<p>nitpicking? another verbal tactic to declare another person’s opinion trivial and reflect on their character. i consider errors of fact, demagoguery and negative propaganda to be things worthy of comment. i think you see them as tools to advance your agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1395147</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;whitebeard at 7777               &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that’s all that’s necessary, why write this in the same post?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks like push-poll, swiftboating, sort of tactics to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;==========&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ummmmm, whitebeard, are you new around here or something? you seem to be nit-picking stuff out of context….just to poke? i hope not cuz i don’t get it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;letter writing is an ongoing subject around here. many share what they do, and countless posts are written about doing it and how to do it…is a major effort around here…….and i throw stuff like that in all of the time, if it’s something that works for me and it comes up, so i share it. do you write letters? get any results? if you do, and have a technique that gets answers back, be glad to have a tip from you, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if it’s not something that interests you, then go to the next comment, but i am proud of my efforts and at least i’m doing something when i see something that’s wrong… so, no it’s not ’all that’s necessary’ i don’t think there is a place where ’all that’s necessary’ is possible, but it is necessary for me do SOMETHING or i might as well crawl back under a rock and quit bugging people who ARE trying to do something.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;tactics? and yes, that is/was the point, ever heard of sarcasm? and it was another subject that came up a while back around here, those tortured souls aren’t ones that comment here. was a reference to that. sick f^cks that don’t reside here. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you’re reminding me of the character kevin kline in the movie a fish called wanda–&lt;br /&gt;
”what was that part in the middle?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;: )&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whitebeard at 7777               </p>
<p>“over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.”</p>
<p>If that’s all that’s necessary, why write this in the same post?</p>
<p>“i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me”</p>
<p>Looks like push-poll, swiftboating, sort of tactics to me.</p>
<p>==========</p>
<p>ummmmm, whitebeard, are you new around here or something? you seem to be nit-picking stuff out of context….just to poke? i hope not cuz i don’t get it.</p>
<p>letter writing is an ongoing subject around here. many share what they do, and countless posts are written about doing it and how to do it…is a major effort around here…….and i throw stuff like that in all of the time, if it’s something that works for me and it comes up, so i share it. do you write letters? get any results? if you do, and have a technique that gets answers back, be glad to have a tip from you, too.</p>
<p>if it’s not something that interests you, then go to the next comment, but i am proud of my efforts and at least i’m doing something when i see something that’s wrong… so, no it’s not ’all that’s necessary’ i don’t think there is a place where ’all that’s necessary’ is possible, but it is necessary for me do SOMETHING or i might as well crawl back under a rock and quit bugging people who ARE trying to do something.</p>
<p>tactics? and yes, that is/was the point, ever heard of sarcasm? and it was another subject that came up a while back around here, those tortured souls aren’t ones that comment here. was a reference to that. sick f^cks that don’t reside here. </p>
<p>you’re reminding me of the character kevin kline in the movie a fish called wanda–<br />
”what was that part in the middle?”</p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394605</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TeddySanFran is right:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“McCain is dangerous”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that doesn’t mean the Democratic candidates are a day at the beach. Geez, I really don’t like this system which produces these choices.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chris Hedges was right, too, “If honesty, vision and integrity were qualities that mattered in a national election, Nader would be president.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TeddySanFran is right:</p>
<p>“McCain is dangerous”</p>
<p>But that doesn’t mean the Democratic candidates are a day at the beach. Geez, I really don’t like this system which produces these choices.</p>
<p>Chris Hedges was right, too, “If honesty, vision and integrity were qualities that mattered in a national election, Nader would be president.”</p>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394598</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“So my point is that for the future of this country, we have to make sure that we remain a nation that does not do things that our enemies do. And I promise you, my friends, I‘ll close Guantanamo Bay and we will never torture another person in our custody again.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This from the guy with his arms around W. and his head in his pit saying what a great guy W. is and how he wants his support? Did anyone see his fingers? Were they crossed?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“So my point is that for the future of this country, we have to make sure that we remain a nation that does not do things that our enemies do. And I promise you, my friends, I‘ll close Guantanamo Bay and we will never torture another person in our custody again.”</p>
<p>This from the guy with his arms around W. and his head in his pit saying what a great guy W. is and how he wants his support? Did anyone see his fingers? Were they crossed?</p>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394593</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that’s all that’s necessary, why write this in the same post?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks like push-poll, swiftboating, sort of tactics to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.”</p>
<p>If that’s all that’s necessary, why write this in the same post?</p>
<p>“i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me”</p>
<p>Looks like push-poll, swiftboating, sort of tactics to me.</p>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394584</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ROTFL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFL</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394581</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I was thinkin’ the photo captured McBane reading Cindy’s recipe cards.  But no, some other stuff on the underside.  Something about “you have to wait in the weeds . . . you’re going to be gone . . .”  Better eyes than mine here somewhere?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I was thinkin’ the photo captured McBane reading Cindy’s recipe cards.  But no, some other stuff on the underside.  Something about “you have to wait in the weeds . . . you’re going to be gone . . .”  Better eyes than mine here somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394580</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hehe…no.  She simply fellated his polemic right there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(figuratively speaking of course)  ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe…no.  She simply fellated his polemic right there.</p>
<p>(figuratively speaking of course)  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394576</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed, Teddy, if for no other reason that he is destined to chart a broad plan to “win” in Irak where no win is possible, and use his Generals as cover for the never ending occupations eventual catastrophic crescendo. Sounds familiar.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh yeah - and the whole effing crazy thing, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Teddy, if for no other reason that he is destined to chart a broad plan to “win” in Irak where no win is possible, and use his Generals as cover for the never ending occupations eventual catastrophic crescendo. Sounds familiar.<br />
Oh yeah &#8211; and the whole effing crazy thing, too.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/the-mccain-of-the-moment-on-torture/#comment-1394574</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the “reporter” onstage waxes phonetic about her time spent on the “Straight Talk Express.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did she use diacritical marks, hyphens to show the breaks between syllables, capital letters so show stress, and everything?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Heh)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the “reporter” onstage waxes phonetic about her time spent on the “Straight Talk Express.” </p>
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<p>Did she use diacritical marks, hyphens to show the breaks between syllables, capital letters so show stress, and everything?</p>
<p>(Heh)</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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