Well, there are "McCain Moments," and then there is the "McCain of the Moment." The former raises questions about his grasp of reality; the latter about his grasp of principle.
We saw "the McCain of the Moment" in action a couple of days ago on Chris Matthews' Hardball, when he proclaimed thus:
I was in Baghdad over Thanksgiving last year. I met with a high-ranking member—former high-ranking member of al Qaeda. I asked him, I said, How did you do so well after the initial military success that the Americans and the coalition forces had? He said two things. One was the lawlessness that—and the environment that took place after the Americans and their allies won the military victory. He said, but the second was Abu Ghraib. He said, Abu Ghraib was my greatest recruiting tool. Everybody here knows what Abu Ghraib was.
So my point is that for the future of this country, we have to make sure that we remain a nation that does not do things that our enemies do. And I promise you, my friends, I‘ll close Guantanamo Bay and we will never torture another person in our custody again.
(APPLAUSE)
MCCAIN: And I know we have a full hour, but I‘ll make my further answers shorter, but that‘s a very important question about what kind of a country we are and what kind of country we‘ve been and what kind of a country we‘ll be in the 21st century.
That's positively stirring, isn't it? Makes you want to stand up and cheer.
It also makes you wonder whether he wasn't saying this on the floor of the Senate as well, when it might have counted more.
Well, no. As Digby observes, this outburst of decency is really just whatever McCain is saying today -- in fact, McCain has flopped on the issue once again. Or is that flipped?
Of course this is Matthews so McCain the manliest man, unlike those hippy Democrats Barack and Hillary, needn't be questioned any further. For instance, there's no need to ask why he just voted two months ago to allow the CIA not to follow the Army Field manual interrogation guidelines. Certainly, there's no need to question why he helped the Bush administration pass the Military Commission Act which allows the US to not follow the Geneva Conventions at the president's discretion.
I have one of those straight-talk aphorisms for John McCain, one of I'll bet he's heard and probably used too: Actions speak louder than words. You can make pretty speeches all you like; but when it came time to act in a way that made a difference, you caved. Why should anyone believe you wouldn't do so again?
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Why me?
Nothing seems to penetrate the force field the MSM has put up around their heads when it comes to all things McStain.
Sigh.
John was talking to Tom Friedman’s cab driver.
His talking points cards are colour coordinated with his tie? Holy shit!
Hey! It’s all about the bar-b-q doncha know…
I can’t take the faux poll BS they are spewing every two seconds about McCain leading in the polls against both Dems independently. Lies, lies, lies…layers of lies…the numbers in the primaries show that to be impossible. Even McCain’s policies show that it impossible.
They are lying.
Grrrrrrrrrr.
Bob Dole is the driving force behind McCanny.
“I met with a high-ranking member—former high-ranking member of al Qaeda.”
Excuuuuuuussssse me????
More position’s than the Kama Sutra.
Just exactly who and where did McStain meet with a high-ranking AQ member???? Was he interrogating him or interviewing him? Was he at a dinner with him or meet him on the street? Did the AQ person walk up to him in the market and say, oh, hey…I’m an ex-high-ranking AQ member…BTW, how goes it John??
WTF?
Don’t taze me bro John, but our people didn’t like what you guys did to people at Abu Gharaib…BTW, I’d love to taste your BBQ…we make it different at AQ…we BBQ all the time…caves ‘n all…
He was talking to a high level al Qaeda member instead of arresting him?
Those on Fox News will always spin in favor of the Republics, no matter what the story. Those not now on Fox News will spin in favor of the Republics whenever possible in order to stay eligible for a future job on Fox News.
Exactly.
NPR report on the debate - Hillary and Obama both apologize.
The guy is freaking unhealthy. He doesn’t know what he’s saying. Did you see him mumbling and acting goof ball when that fox news kid asked him about Hillary taking a shot of whiskey? He was stumped. Couldn’t react.
“I asked him, I said, How did you do so well after the initial military success that the Americans and the coalition forces had?”
Bwahahahaha…
He must be on some serious drugs…I wanna see his health records…pronto.
And, I still want to know what McCain had in mind with Section 1004 of his Detainee Treatment Act of 2005:
Does he honestly believe that torturers should go free if John Yoo told them that anything is legal if the President says so?
You serious? Why should THEY apologize?
What?
And he’s admitting that they did well. I thought we were always winning. What’s he talking about?
Maybe they both apologized for being so incredibly stupid as to appear for an ABC hit job ambush.
Jeesh, Obama gets run through the ringer for meeting with a former member of the Weather Underground.
Do we know anything about the former Al Qaeda member McCain met with?
Is it time to call for rejecting and denouncing?
-G
If McCain can’t discern Shiite from Sunni, how can he tell a High Ranking AQ from an Iraqi Flea Market vendor?
Yeah, that was my reaction, too! What self-respecting former high-ranking member of al Qaeda would meet with John McCain and bluntly tell him what works best for him! I was very taken aback by those remarks. But since we’re talking about our good friend, McCain, of the Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba-Bomb Iran fame, I thought it would be a good time to share with all of you a song I heard on Boston Legal the other night that I never knew existed. Enjoy.
Did McCain have tea with the Al Qaeda member?
-G
Hi, I’m an ex-high-ranking Al Qaeda member….but now I’m nice…
You can be a “former” AQ member? I kinda doubt that.
Just to be clear: “Clinton, Obama apologize for misstatements”: http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....d=89713246
He has to be that way. He’s running for the third term of George W. Bush.
Hi, I’m an ex-high-ranking AQ member. I used to hate you Americans and want to blow you up at every opportunity, but now I’m on your side. Here, let me answer your questions about why I used to hate your guts…but give me one of those ribs first. So nice chatting with you John.
That was the lede-in before commercial (and the entire story) on NPR news. They apologized for the Bosnia snipers and the bitters. That was what NPR had to report about the debate - that Hillary and Obama both apologized.
True. Only an imbecile would run on the 29% platform.
Okay, I’ll tell you…but please, I beg you, don’t waterboard me again…Oh, you’ve been tortured too….Oh, well then brother, I’ll tell you anything you want to know. Can I taste your ribs though?
Wow! NPR really gets it /s
He’s eating pork now too? Former Muslim and former AQ.
“national” pubic radio
thanks david–i called in to the local radio show the other day and named off a few mccain flip-flop items, fec violationS, and-how could a man who had been a POW be ’for torture’? (i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me)
show host that day, owner of the station, said, i thought he’s against torture, he’s always been against torture, i said nooooot anymoooooooore.
that he voted for it to be fine and dandy. right on the senate floor.
calls after that came in verifying what i said. i didn’t need to say what a cretin he is, he says it for me, all i had to do was say what he said/did.
over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.
: )
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epu’d
here’s the ’debate’ transcript so you can use quotes in your emails if you want. i usually try to in my emails. i let the facts do the talking most of the time.
most transcripts i ’ve seen today exclude droopy drawers charlie’s opening remarks, this one includes them,i found them interesting, aren’t moderators supposed to keep opinions to themselves? and his remark about the time keeping..dunno.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..038;page=1
and send them to-
and dakinat provided this ’contact abc’ link–
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/pag…..20Specials
bbl
Heyell yeah….
Oh…it wasn’t Al Qaeda….it was a former high-level executive board member from Alcoa…McCain just misforgot.
AQs could not even shake McBush’s hand, much less eat his BBQ; not allowed to touch pigs.
I see no reason to think that the polls aren’t accurate. It’s very early. The dems are kicking each other’s asses. Lots of dems are saying that if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination, they’ll vote McBush. All of these factors add to the McBush vote total.
exactly when will the grilling of mcinsane begin?? oh yeah now he wants to close guantanamo huh? and no more torture he says - dont fall for his bullshit!!
“Lots of Dems?” Who? I’ve never seen anybody write that or heard anybody say that. That is part of the BS the media wants us to believe.
You don’t vote against Hillary or Obama, by voting for a third Bush term and endless warmongering. Just doesn’t make sense.
80% of the country is against the war and struggling because of the Puke’s economic policies.
It is propaganda.
Beef short ribs? Chicken ribs?
Maybe if you’re dead. Or incarcerated.
McCain’s hand!
fiore’s latest animated cartoon on iraq is a keeper:
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/
lol!
Check out the ABC poll:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....568/497772
Funny… I didn’t see Senator John McCain’s name listed.
Which Al Qaeda high ranking enemies of civilization could Crazy John have intrerrogated?
One possible Al Qaeda guy is chief of the Saudi Arabian intelligence agency, Prince Turki bin Faisal.
A definite Al Qaeda guy is Muhamed Galeb Kalaje Zouaydi, chief financial operator of Spanish Al Qaeda.
It is claimed Mr. Zouaydi once worked as an accountant for two members of the Saudi royal family, an assertion his lawyer denied. (Judith Miller did coauthor this account.)
Why anyone would want to elect someone to be President that has been tortured for 5 years is beyond me…
Probably for the same reasons they would want to elect someone from the BUsh family.
My family physician believes McCain may well be exhibiting early symptoms of Altzheimers and further believes, as do I, that the press needs to simply asked him to reveal his medical records. So far he has denied such public access and of course the traditional media do not seem to care he is stonewalling health questions. One hopes the good Doctor Dean will find a way to frame the question.
I want those records released.
POW and Tortured for 5 years - no PTSD???? BS.
Several Malignant Melanoma’s
Doesn’t take any drugs???
Prove it.
the media wont lay a glove on merry mcinsane - they still refer to him as a “maverick”
Normally I’d say a candidates medical records are nobody’s damn business. But in this case, I’m not so sure I agree with myself.
He needs to be “vetted”.
I don’t know if McSame has early Alzheimer’s, but he looks at least 80 years old in so many pictures and videos. (Remember: they used to laugh off Ronny when he’d forget stuff … and Ronny did have early Alzheimer’s. Maybe they need to be reminded about that a few more times: that they blew off mental disabilities in a sitting President, because he was a ‘great communicator’.)
McCain looks and behaves much older than my almost 80 year old dad.
Too bad we no longer can rely on the country’s traditional media to ask the tough questions of the Republican leadership. If all else fails McCain’s incompetency, dare I say confusion, will be very apparent at the first presidential debate.
From CNN, citing the findings in a 2006 Army review: Detainees at the Gardez camp in Afghanistan were forced to kneel in freezing temperatures, in the snow and rain in cold wet clothing for extended periods. They were kicked and punched in the kidneys, nose and knees if they dared move or, goodness forbid, collapse. The same review concluded that “the detainees were not abused.”
Um. OK. Being turned into a human popsicle stick while having one’s bones broken by heavily armed thugs in jackboots doesn’t sound like abuse to me. What would Johnny think?
I have a serious problem with this post. I mean, WTF is this crap?!?!
McSame is incapable of making “pretty speeches.” C’mon FDL! This place is goin down the Toobz.
/s
Or in fact tortured
ding!! joan just called mcinsane a maverick on hardball….. damn
Apologize for what? Not walking off with their dignity intact at minute 52 of the
debate“debacle”?McCain is dangerous
There’s some clip online of CrazyTrain talking to the AP circle jerk recently, where they give him donuts and the “reporter” onstage waxes phonetic about her time spent on the “Straight Talk Express.” They kept talking about the dog and pony bus show as if it’s legit, with no sense of irony about Charlie Black lobbying from the actual bus, which he has admitted, but they just keep repeating “Straight Talk” over and over. Yeesh…these people are so in a bubble.
CAIRO, Egypt (CNN)
And now for the good news! finally someone with some fucking balls
Yep - McCain is dangerous indeed and Cindy McCain is a plagarist. Quite an unimaginable couple to occupy the White House, indeed dear Teddy.
Did she use diacritical marks, hyphens to show the breaks between syllables, capital letters so show stress, and everything?
(Heh)
Bob in HI
Agreed, Teddy, if for no other reason that he is destined to chart a broad plan to “win” in Irak where no win is possible, and use his Generals as cover for the never ending occupations eventual catastrophic crescendo. Sounds familiar.
Oh yeah - and the whole effing crazy thing, too.
hehe…no. She simply fellated his polemic right there.
(figuratively speaking of course) ;)
Well I was thinkin’ the photo captured McBane reading Cindy’s recipe cards. But no, some other stuff on the underside. Something about “you have to wait in the weeds . . . you’re going to be gone . . .” Better eyes than mine here somewhere?
ROTFL
“over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.”
If that’s all that’s necessary, why write this in the same post?
“i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me”
Looks like push-poll, swiftboating, sort of tactics to me.
“So my point is that for the future of this country, we have to make sure that we remain a nation that does not do things that our enemies do. And I promise you, my friends, I‘ll close Guantanamo Bay and we will never torture another person in our custody again.”
This from the guy with his arms around W. and his head in his pit saying what a great guy W. is and how he wants his support? Did anyone see his fingers? Were they crossed?
TeddySanFran is right:
“McCain is dangerous”
But that doesn’t mean the Democratic candidates are a day at the beach. Geez, I really don’t like this system which produces these choices.
Chris Hedges was right, too, “If honesty, vision and integrity were qualities that mattered in a national election, Nader would be president.”
whitebeard at 7777
“over and over, state the contradictions with the facts. that’s all that people need to do. people say ’i’m not a letter writer’, you don’t need to be, just paste a quote and then the other quote and fill in the contradictory blank.”
If that’s all that’s necessary, why write this in the same post?
“i’ll leave the debate about whether he was tortured or not for those tortured souls who wish to go there, not me”
Looks like push-poll, swiftboating, sort of tactics to me.
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ummmmm, whitebeard, are you new around here or something? you seem to be nit-picking stuff out of context….just to poke? i hope not cuz i don’t get it.
letter writing is an ongoing subject around here. many share what they do, and countless posts are written about doing it and how to do it…is a major effort around here…….and i throw stuff like that in all of the time, if it’s something that works for me and it comes up, so i share it. do you write letters? get any results? if you do, and have a technique that gets answers back, be glad to have a tip from you, too.
if it’s not something that interests you, then go to the next comment, but i am proud of my efforts and at least i’m doing something when i see something that’s wrong… so, no it’s not ’all that’s necessary’ i don’t think there is a place where ’all that’s necessary’ is possible, but it is necessary for me do SOMETHING or i might as well crawl back under a rock and quit bugging people who ARE trying to do something.
tactics? and yes, that is/was the point, ever heard of sarcasm? and it was another subject that came up a while back around here, those tortured souls aren’t ones that comment here. was a reference to that. sick f^cks that don’t reside here.
you’re reminding me of the character kevin kline in the movie a fish called wanda–
”what was that part in the middle?”
: )
more personal attacks and innuendos… some i don’t understand like the movie reference…
“ever hear of sarcasm” you use some of the same verbal attacks as Neiwert, who is very concerned about the eliminationist rhetoric of others but feels free to use it when his opinions are disputed.
if you meant the implication that McCain was not tortured as sarcasm, why not indicate it as such?
am i new around here? didn’t know this was a club to be initiated into. sounds like an insider/outsider attack.
nitpicking? another verbal tactic to declare another person’s opinion trivial and reflect on their character. i consider errors of fact, demagoguery and negative propaganda to be things worthy of comment. i think you see them as tools to advance your agenda.