Comments on: Who Will Tell The People? http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:08:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: strider7 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1393257 strider7 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:14:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1393257 <p>You,<br /> Who,<br /> philosiphy disgrace<br /> And criticize all fears<br /> bury the rag deep in your face<br /> Now is the time for your tears</p> You,
Who,
philosiphy disgrace
And criticize all fears
bury the rag deep in your face
Now is the time for your tears

]]> By: strider7 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1393180 strider7 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:56:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1393180 <p>grandpa died last week, and he’s buried in the rocks<br /> everybody still talks about how badly they are shocked,<br /> but me, I expected it to happen, I knew he’d lost control,<br /> when he built a fire on main street, and shot it full of holes!<br /> Think of all the horror stories that the US has been involved in.<br /> I fought in vietnam, Watched great people metamorphise right before your eyes into trophy hunting scalpers. Their humanity was torn to shreds. They weren’t responsible for their actions, the government was.Then their conscience hit them and their minds were mangled.For what?<br /> The nature of man, no matter how you rationalize it, is repulsive.</p> grandpa died last week, and he’s buried in the rocks
everybody still talks about how badly they are shocked,
but me, I expected it to happen, I knew he’d lost control,
when he built a fire on main street, and shot it full of holes!
Think of all the horror stories that the US has been involved in.
I fought in vietnam, Watched great people metamorphise right before your eyes into trophy hunting scalpers. Their humanity was torn to shreds. They weren’t responsible for their actions, the government was.Then their conscience hit them and their minds were mangled.For what?
The nature of man, no matter how you rationalize it, is repulsive.

]]> By: KarenM http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392819 KarenM Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:04:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392819 <p>What a great site for letter writing! I sent three to my area papers. I hope you’ll use the site for even more issues.</p> <p>I would also like to draw some attention to some blog postings by, ondelette, one of the commenters from Glenn Greenwald’s blog: HumanityAgainstCrimes.blogspotcom</p> <p>He has some very thoughtful and insightful posts up, including one about the damage done by the use of euphemisms.</p> What a great site for letter writing! I sent three to my area papers. I hope you’ll use the site for even more issues.

I would also like to draw some attention to some blog postings by, ondelette, one of the commenters from Glenn Greenwald’s blog: HumanityAgainstCrimes.blogspotcom

He has some very thoughtful and insightful posts up, including one about the damage done by the use of euphemisms.

]]> By: ffein http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392547 ffein Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:28:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392547 <p>I mentioned this on an earlier blog, but Jon Stewart DID talk about it last night. I found it “interesting” that Comedy Central would be the first place to mention it after the interview! Maybe Cheney forgot to threaten them?</p> I mentioned this on an earlier blog, but Jon Stewart DID talk about it last night. I found it “interesting” that Comedy Central would be the first place to mention it after the interview! Maybe Cheney forgot to threaten them?

]]> By: Quzi http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392405 Quzi Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:04:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392405 <p>Letters sent.</p> Letters sent.

]]> By: jacqrat http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392299 jacqrat Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:40:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392299 <p>Argus LTE sent!</p> <p>Thanks to RevDeb (I edited it slightly) and her stunningly beautiful letter - with any luck, we can say the kind readers in Fremont/Union City, CA are now informed.</p> Argus LTE sent!

Thanks to RevDeb (I edited it slightly) and her stunningly beautiful letter – with any luck, we can say the kind readers in Fremont/Union City, CA are now informed.

]]> By: peony http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392248 peony Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:17:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392248 <p>Digby says: “According to ABC’s source, they went farther than the Yoo memos and mandated that certain techniques could be used in tandem to make the “enhanced interrogations” even more painful.”</p> <p>I attended a lecture at UCSB, Santa Barbara, in 2007 by Alfred McCoy who’s written a book on torture as currently used by the U.S. government although I don’t recall the title. Speaking to your point about the use of techniques in tandem. McCoy said that the U.S. government is using physical techniques in conjunction with psychological techniques, such as sensory deprivation. I don’t believe this point has been publicized or that the public is aware of this. I may be wrong, but I hadn’t seen this information before McCoy’s lecture. The combination effectively damages a human being if not destroys them.</p> <p>That was the main point I took away from the lecture, but here are some others. I hope I’m not duplicating any information.</p> <p>Military Commissions Act (9/06) is based on UN (?) resolution 2340. This Act exempted mental or psychological torture, and allows the President to make a determination as to what constitutes torture (I believe).</p> <p>The US ratified the UN convention against torture, but applies to physical torture only.</p> <p>Empathic interrogation was created by Moran who used it first. Empathic Interrogation has been used successfully by the FBI.</p> <p>Hearing people including presidential candidates say we’re the greatest country in the world makes me cringe.</p> Digby says: “According to ABC’s source, they went farther than the Yoo memos and mandated that certain techniques could be used in tandem to make the “enhanced interrogations” even more painful.”

I attended a lecture at UCSB, Santa Barbara, in 2007 by Alfred McCoy who’s written a book on torture as currently used by the U.S. government although I don’t recall the title. Speaking to your point about the use of techniques in tandem. McCoy said that the U.S. government is using physical techniques in conjunction with psychological techniques, such as sensory deprivation. I don’t believe this point has been publicized or that the public is aware of this. I may be wrong, but I hadn’t seen this information before McCoy’s lecture. The combination effectively damages a human being if not destroys them.

That was the main point I took away from the lecture, but here are some others. I hope I’m not duplicating any information.

Military Commissions Act (9/06) is based on UN (?) resolution 2340. This Act exempted mental or psychological torture, and allows the President to make a determination as to what constitutes torture (I believe).

The US ratified the UN convention against torture, but applies to physical torture only.

Empathic interrogation was created by Moran who used it first. Empathic Interrogation has been used successfully by the FBI.

Hearing people including presidential candidates say we’re the greatest country in the world makes me cringe.

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392213 dakine01 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:07:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392213 <p>It will also be live in the Central time zone</p> It will also be live in the Central time zone

]]> By: Juno http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392194 Juno Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:03:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392194 <p>Rhymes with “FORE!”</p> Rhymes with “FORE!”

]]> By: wobblybits http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392191 wobblybits Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:02:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/who-will-tell-the-people/#comment-1392191 <p>debate is on 8 P.M on ABC (tape delayed to the other timezones)</p> <p>ABC is live blogging on their website as will be daily kos, TPM and possibly here? *g*</p> debate is on 8 P.M on ABC (tape delayed to the other timezones)

ABC is live blogging on their website as will be daily kos, TPM and possibly here? *g*

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