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ABC really tried their best to drag American viewers into the FOX hole tonight. May this video help cleanse your mental palate.
What's on your mind tonight?
Late Late Nite FDL: For the TurnstilesBy: Eureka Springs Wednesday April 16, 2008 10:02 pm |
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Two late, late zeds in a row! Woot!
ES!
thanks, es - tis a fine palate cleanser you selected for tonight. has almost removed all traces left over from that nasty foxhole
i think i’m still in shock
to say it was bad just doesn’t quite capture it
Very good!
Evening, Eureka!
thanks for the nice music selection (mustn’t forget my manners)
Great pick, ES
hey newton, how’s your side of the hill tonight?
Hey!
Cool, but not cold, wind died down about 2 hours ago.
2 ducks outside my window, chortling away, being spied on by this cat from across the street… dinner.
Hello Pups,
Well, Eli is my hero tonight.
didnt watch the debate - saw mets instead - but read some of the comments…. now clearing my head listening to joni mitchell, laura nyro and 10wheel drive w/genya raven…. nite every one ;o)
wasn’t he magnificent during that horrible debate!
After scanning all the comments from the various blogs I am now very grateful that the highway department decided to close the interstate tonight to put the big beams up for the new bridge. I never thought sitting at a standstill for what I thought was forever, and then crawling onto the service road would be so rewarding, compared to what you guys seem to have gone through.
Absolutely! Divine!
Damn, I missed the debate, I’m so busy keeping track of our kiss-up-kick-down Pope: http://dailyrevolution.net/?p=1158
Thank goodness.
I missed the debate and the last thread about Connecticut’s elected professional traitor.
30 pieces of silver and no scruples seem to get one far these days.
Off to bed, pups - watch out for the big parade.
g’nite kirk
boa noite, pups
i’m going to read and bribe mr wobbs for a shoulder massage.
sleep well!
sleep well doc
Hey, just read Eli’s threads, the debate was terrible.
Gnite Doc.
Sleep well Bud.
boa noite wobbly
i see i missed juslin leaving *waving g’nite late*
Gnite Wobbly bits
Someday I hope to find out exactly what a wobbly bit is, besides a drill with a bent shaft.
Dr. KM
Good night and keep in touch.
Dugg
where’s nahant?
I just sent him a note of thanks.
Dugg
thanks neuro
perhaps recovering from that horrible debate? i haven’t seen him since eli’s last thread.
Why aren’t my Dugg links working?
Please use the one at the top of the page.
Heh, ducks will put cats in their place most rickety-tick…!
What a night for him!
I like Eli, he has thoughtful stuff and he dives right in and mixes it up in the comments.
Hi Suzanne
here’s the digg link
what did Eli do that I missed?
didja see that he gotta link from atrios to his first debate thread?
the debate threads without once upchucking
Hosted that mind-f*ck of a debate…!
No shit?
I just got to the Rat Hole a bit ago.
We need to start a campaign to scrap the current system for broadcasting and sponsoring debates. Need a real big public fuss.
Need to write a letter politely stating your case that the current and other recent debates displayed unforgivable journalistic
-incompetence and
-unprofessionalism,
and may have been corrupted by corrupt journalists.
Send the letter to ABC, along with promise to never have anything to do with them again.
ABC will not give a rats ass about the journalistic integrity or professionalism, or corruption.
But they will care when you send the letter to your two Senators, congressperson, and other legislators, and local paper, and local ABC affiliates and advertisers…
And they all will care if we can start a public debate about the wisdom of continuing the current debate broadcast and sponsorship system.
We need to have a debate about whether the right to a broadcast license means that the press does not need to have any standards for integrity, professionalism, or competence.
Yanking a license is not death sentence anymore. ABC would do very well on cable, it would fit right in along side Colbert and the Daily Show.
I saw a goose trying to drown a duck yesterday. I think it was practicing something else, but the duck was a mallard drake. When my dog broke the “fight” up, they all just swam away like nothing happened. Weird.
Yea!!!!!
ABC debate thread over 9173 comments.. let um have it folks!
Digg: Eli’s unparalleled debate coverage - took one for the team tonight.
Eli 1
Eli 2
Eli 3
Eli 4
that’s gonna take more than one strand of pearls for abc’s lil debbie to wade through. lat i heard there was not a single positive comment - that still true?
I saw a couple of shills on the first page, very strongly negative after that.
“Eli, who hates us, provides a preview.”
LMAO.
I gotta admit, I very rarely visit Atrios.
I just don’t get how consistently posting two sentences gets so may damn comments.
that’s forking great of you to put that all together in one nice package like that newton
thanks dood
i hear there are *gasp* other blogs but i barely keep up with my daily must read list as it is.
I read a few pages throughout the night..noticed one complimentary item.
Not having seen the debate, but benefiting from the coverage here - well, it’s the least anyone can do.
At least I got the Lakes comic take on it without the spew-factor.
It’s possible that they’re simply ignorant, stupid, and lazy.
I posted a bit about this yesterday, but it still bugs me. What the hell is wrong with most journalists. Does J-School kill their mind?
Tuesday, Michele Norris had this ten-minute segment on NPR about how the Chinese had discovered the wonders of turning Mathane into electricity: http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....d=89657242
What Michele Norris and her editors fail to grasp is that Methane is simply “Natural Gas,” and that it generates over 20% of U.S. electricity.
I watched about the last six minutes of the debate. Fortunately, calls from studants with questions about their term papers kept me busy for the rest of it. I thought HRC did well, and that Obama did very well. I didn’t have to watch any questions from the moderators.
for anyone who hasn’t got their fill of the debate horror, the “liveblog” done by rick klein at abc.com makes for blood boiling reading. and his 9:19pm entry sums up the true winner of the night:
9:19 pm ET: A Republican strategist offers this, to ABC’s Karen Travers: “I think we’re going to buy 90 minute infomercials in October to replay this . . .”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/liveb.....ing-f.html
Not my mythology, but weren’t the thirty pieces of silver awarded to someone because he had no scruples?
et, has spring sprung up there yet?
Dude, write to Congress, and tell them to scrap this system. Tell your Senators and reps to take debates away from networks. That will get their attention. The goal will not be reform, but to replace the current system.
What you saw tonight is dangerous stuff. It is subversion of the democratic process. Serious incompetence, serious unprofessionalism, perhaps seriously corrupt journalism.
Think about a debate moderated by Russert or Gibson right before general with somem Cheney-Bush Iran hanky panky in the background. Think about that.
I honestly believe Gibson went beyond objectively out of bounds. He conducted parts of that debate as if his premises were abosolute obvious facts. And if the candidates did not agree, then he became hostile, editorialized, and smeared their integrity.
OK, how true were some of Gibson’s assumptions.
I think there are also very good complaints that can be made about basic journalism 101 news judgment in the selection of topics and questions.
These debates are not for our entertainment, they are a public service for people voting in elections. It doesn’t make any difference how many people watched. If just a few tens of thousands watched in PA, then it served a public service. If the corporate media are screwing that up, take the debates away from them.
And do it on straightforward arguments about competence and professionalism.
Take it away from the corporate media, RIGHT NOW, after their public humiliation. Get a new system up and running for the general. Heck get one up and running for any one that might happen before another primary. Kill it off RIGHT NOW!
Ed Zachary.
Yes, methane is natural gas, but people have been letting it vent into the atmosphere in coal mines and other places. The use of it in a place where it seemed impractical before is the innovation here.
I meant to type:
“I honestly believe Gibson went objectively out of bounds into unprofessionalism and incomptetence tonight.”
I missed the debate, but:
– http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00013.html
– http://firedoglake.com/2008/04.....nt-1393599
Hey! Spring has sprung!
The tax fight alone should get Gibson fired.
The Pacific Northwest is currently under the influence of La Nina. The high today was 48 degrees and there is snow predicted in the Portland area this weekend at elevations over 500 feet.
Spring has sprung like a twisted up Slinky around here.
from charlie’s wiki page
To put things in perspective, here is the RECOMMENDED list from Dkos:
I think you get the picture that Obama supporters are righteously indignant about the behavior of ABC’s Gibson and Stephanopoulos, and are hell bent on doing something about it.
I missed it, but I’m not surprised.
When I heard they shut off applause at the debate the writing was on the wall.
Busy packing for my trip to Texas… good you dugg it neuro… I made sure I did also…. Will be hanging for a while but I need to be up early for the flight…
Evening firepups and ES Neil is always good tunes but the video said more than words can convey!!! Bush there are enough descripitive words to convey what
I think and feel about him…. Take that NSA…. hope they let me on the plane in the morning.
About 2 weeks ago it sprang. But when it came back down, the ground had re-frozen, and it seems to have broken on impact. Last night driving out of Anchorage was hell. Part of it was people pissed at my brand-new MY AMERICA DOESN’T TORTURE! bumper sticker.
The other part was the ice, slush and snow.
Yup. It’s one thing to ask folks to keep it down, but sound control is another.
It sounds like this was a well-planned hit job.
Obama needs to sit down and write a nice long Obama style speech on the Constitution.
wigwam, poorly planned but well executed. I don’t think it worked as much as they hoped.
of course it was. abc/disney ran that fake 911 docudrama that blamed 911 on the dems, knowing it was false they aired it anyway.
There are lots of other sources of methane as well. Feed lots are one. Methane is produced during fermentation (anaerobic decay) of organic matter. Figuring out how to capture it and use it rather than just releasing it into the atmosphere is a worthwhile thing since it is one of the greenhouse gases.
They used sound control??
Did they also pass out Soma?
Jeez.
I understand it’s still pretty harmful once burned.
I heard one guy yell really loud… but it was short lived and you could tell they had a lot of audio control working to their advantage.
There was almost no applause the entire evening as well. Deafening silence.
Think carbon…. major global warming gas as it holds heat. Levels are sky rocketing…
Sad to see some over at DailyKos are assuming that ABC did this as a pro-Clinton stunt by ABC. That is really foolish. They will work over HRC like a bunch of thugs if she were the front runner or candidate in general.
Some of the DailyKos folks have lost their senses.
I think best thing is to start public debate on ending the system and taking away the corporate media’s crony capitalist, big DLC DEM big corporate GOP goodie.
Not sure if it could be done, but ought to be public fuss to try to do it.
tonight should be the night of the last major political debate put on by any major for profit corporate media company, cable, broadcast, whatever –should be the last one, for ever and ever.
In other news, I noticed Specter is definitely running again and Pelosi is trying to help get Columbian free trade back on the fast track..if Georgie poo will just play nice.
Probably so - like everything we burn. But I think that it is less harmful after combustion, because it becomes mainly CO2 and water, and at least the CO2 plants can work with.
From Wikipedia:
Methane is a relatively potent greenhouse gas with a high global warming potential of 72 (averaged over 20 years) or 25 (averaged over 100 years) [1]. Methane in the atmosphere is eventually oxidized, producing carbon dioxide and water. As a result, methane in the atmosphere has a half life of seven years (every seven years, the amount of methane halves).
The abundance of methane in the Earth’s atmosphere in 1998 was 1745 parts per billion, up from 700 ppb in 1750. In the same time period, CO2 increased from 278 to 365 parts per million. The radiative forcing effect due to this increase in methane abundance is about one-third of that of the CO2 increase[1]. In addition, there is a large, but unknown, amount of methane in methane clathrates in the ocean floors. Global warming could release this methane, which could cause a further sharp rise in global temperatures. Such releases of methane may have been a major factor in previous major extinction events. The Earth’s crust also contains huge amounts of methane. Large amounts of methane are produced anaerobically by methanogenesis. Other sources include mud volcanoes which are connected with deep geological faults.
If ABC manipulated the sound, that is another public scandal. This is a news event, not some rinky dink reality show.
True. I sometimes wonder if there could ever be a way of capturing the stuff in hen houses and barns where horses and cows stay, and use it to help heat them. It wouldn’t be easy to collect, but if anyone could figure out a way …
… and coal ain’t clean — the only way to get energy from coal is to oxidize it to carbon dioxide, which is a greenhouse gas.
I certainly don’t think any Dem should place themselves in that situation again. If Clinton and her supporters were to invite/join Obama Dems, now, in such a declaration, it would be good for all.
I think that there are places that do that. I seem to recall reading about that.
on the science channel, i recently saw a show where they captured cow manure, used the methane retreived to generate electricity for the entire farm and sold excess electricity back to the electric co.
they also sold the cow manure after processing for gardeners.
No way to win on the carbon front unless it is sequestered in underground storage facilities. Demonstration project in the planning stages.
I smell butter, Gnite.
The Chinese have been pumping their methane directly into the atmosphere, so they can mine their coal, which is really dumb, because watt-for-watt a methane-fueled generator costs only half as much as a coal-fueled generator.
Was this on a factory farm, or a more traditional one? On the former, it would seem to be a lot easier to “collect” the manure. Saw one such farm between El Paso and Los Cruces last year, and I’d have to say that if I were living near that place I’d be pretty upset with the neighbors.
I’m skeptical about sequestration, but hope it works.
Watt-for-watt methane generates only half as much C02 as coal, the rest of the energy comes from oxidizing hydrogen to H2O.
Hi all. I am back. Back spasms, but in one of those annoying parts of my back that my machine doesn’t reach. :(
It burns very cleanly, that’s for sure. Coal’s easier to transport, and it’s safer when it’s just lying around (dust is a problem, of course). Always tradeoffs.
i came back to an animal shit thread???
“Obama needs to sit down and write a nice long Obama style speech on the Constitution.”
Great IDEA! Start off with the disappointment listeners to the debate must have had when ABC would present a section of the Constitution and then the questions involved material more appropriate to a gossip column.
Then go into various sections of the Constitution…on religion (First Amendment…but also the clause that on “no religious test”)…the powers of the President and how these have been expanded at the devaluation of those not only of Congress and Court…but of the PEOPLE. The Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Habeas Corpus. The 13th and 14th Amendments. He could frame this as being the great legacy of the State of Pennsylvania to the country BEFORE there was a Washington, D.C….before there were business lobbyists influencing legislators. He could speak about why the Second Amendment was so concerned about REGULATING militias, and gave that control to the Congress and the States…after the Whisky and Shay’s rebellions. He could talk about how the Congress also realized that the economic poverty of the Veterans of the Revolutionary War, their lack of penison money and manipulation by lenders who the took their lands created the conditions for the rebellion.
He could bring the genius of the Constitution to life for the present…show how it isn’t just a bunch of words or a meaningless piece of paper, but a living document that can be and MUST BE reinterpreted within modern circumstances. He needs to remind us the next President will likely appoint several Supreme Court judges…and certainly will appoint hundreds of Federal Judges and Federal Attorneys…men and women that will be dealing with the issues arising from the credit and mortgage foreclosure crisis through the next decades, just as the had to rule on the Enron debacle, the Jack Abramoff scandal, and a host of other corruption cases.
Oh, my. Glad it’s over. I had one of those once - it was the only time pain caused me to hallucinate.
evening betsy.
location, location, location
Can it be worse than the smell from a feed lot? There is one we used to pass in the Texas Panhandle on the way to Colorado. If you weren’t a vegetarian before, you were after you got through the foul air.