Flush ‘em

Two late, late zeds in a row! Woot!

ES!

thanks, es – tis a fine palate cleanser you selected for tonight. has almost removed all traces left over from that nasty foxhole

i think i’m still in shock

to say it was bad just doesn’t quite capture it

Very good!
Evening, Eureka!

thanks for the nice music selection (mustn’t forget my manners)

Though your confidence
may be shattered,
It doesn’t matter…..

All the bushleague batters
Are left to die
on the diamond.

Great pick, ES

hey newton, how’s your side of the hill tonight?

Hey!
Cool, but not cold, wind died down about 2 hours ago.
2 ducks outside my window, chortling away, being spied on by this cat from across the street… dinner.

Hello Pups,
Well, Eli is my hero tonight.

didnt watch the debate – saw mets instead – but read some of the comments…. now clearing my head listening to joni mitchell, laura nyro and 10wheel drive w/genya raven…. nite every one ;o)

wasn’t he magnificent during that horrible debate!

After scanning all the comments from the various blogs I am now very grateful that the highway department decided to close the interstate tonight to put the big beams up for the new bridge. I never thought sitting at a standstill for what I thought was forever, and then crawling onto the service road would be so rewarding, compared to what you guys seem to have gone through.

Absolutely! Divine!

Damn, I missed the debate, I’m so busy keeping track of our kiss-up-kick-down Pope: http://dailyrevolution.net/?p=1158

Thank goodness.
I missed the debate and the last thread about Connecticut’s elected professional traitor.
30 pieces of silver and no scruples seem to get one far these days.

Off to bed, pups – watch out for the big parade.

g’nite kirk

boa noite, pups

i’m going to read and bribe mr wobbs for a shoulder massage.
sleep well!

sleep well doc

Hey, just read Eli’s threads, the debate was terrible.

Gnite Doc.
Sleep well Bud.

boa noite wobbly

i see i missed juslin leaving *waving g’nite late*

Gnite Wobbly bits
Someday I hope to find out exactly what a wobbly bit is, besides a drill with a bent shaft.

Dr. KM
Good night and keep in touch.

Dugg

where’s nahant?

I just sent him a note of thanks.

Dugg

thanks neuro

perhaps recovering from that horrible debate? i haven’t seen him since eli’s last thread.

Why aren’t my Dugg links working?

Please use the one at the top of the page.

Heh, ducks will put cats in their place most rickety-tick…!

What a night for him!

I like Eli, he has thoughtful stuff and he dives right in and mixes it up in the comments.

Hi Suzanne

here’s the digg link

what did Eli do that I missed?

didja see that he gotta link from atrios to his first debate thread?

the debate threads without once upchucking

Hosted that mind-f*ck of a debate…!

No shit?
I just got to the Rat Hole a bit ago.

We need to start a campaign to scrap the current system for broadcasting and sponsoring debates. Need a real big public fuss.

Need to write a letter politely stating your case that the current and other recent debates displayed unforgivable journalistic

-incompetence and
-unprofessionalism,

and may have been corrupted by corrupt journalists.

Send the letter to ABC, along with promise to never have anything to do with them again.

ABC will not give a rats ass about the journalistic integrity or professionalism, or corruption.

But they will care when you send the letter to your two Senators, congressperson, and other legislators, and local paper, and local ABC affiliates and advertisers…

And they all will care if we can start a public debate about the wisdom of continuing the current debate broadcast and sponsorship system.

We need to have a debate about whether the right to a broadcast license means that the press does not need to have any standards for integrity, professionalism, or competence.

Yanking a license is not death sentence anymore. ABC would do very well on cable, it would fit right in along side Colbert and the Daily Show.

I saw a goose trying to drown a duck yesterday. I think it was practicing something else, but the duck was a mallard drake. When my dog broke the “fight” up, they all just swam away like nothing happened. Weird.

Yea!!!!!

ABC debate thread over 9173 comments.. let um have it folks!

Digg: Eli’s unparalleled debate coverage – took one for the team tonight.

Eli 1

Eli 2

Eli 3

Eli 4

that’s gonna take more than one strand of pearls for abc’s lil debbie to wade through. lat i heard there was not a single positive comment – that still true?

I saw a couple of shills on the first page, very strongly negative after that.

“Eli, who hates us, provides a preview.”
LMAO.
I gotta admit, I very rarely visit Atrios.
I just don’t get how consistently posting two sentences gets so may damn comments.

that’s forking great of you to put that all together in one nice package like that newton

thanks dood

i hear there are *gasp* other blogs but i barely keep up with my daily must read list as it is.

I read a few pages throughout the night..noticed one complimentary item.

Not having seen the debate, but benefiting from the coverage here – well, it’s the least anyone can do.
At least I got the Lakes comic take on it without the spew-factor.

It’s possible that they’re simply ignorant, stupid, and lazy.

I posted a bit about this yesterday, but it still bugs me. What the hell is wrong with most journalists. Does J-School kill their mind?

Tuesday, Michele Norris had this ten-minute segment on NPR about how the Chinese had discovered the wonders of turning Mathane into electricity: http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=89657242

Huang, 50, is president of the China Coal Information Institute, a government think tank. He wears his authority lightly, perhaps because of his humble roots.

[…]

He graduated with a degree in engineering and became an expert in coal mine safety.

That’s how he became interested in methane. The highly explosive gas, which exists naturally in coal beds, is often the cause of mining accidents. In the 1950s, China began recovering methane to make mines safer. Now, as then, most of the captured methane is just released into the air.

That’s a problem, because methane is a greenhouse gas more than 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide. It is therefore more dangerous to the environment.

Huang saw methane as a problem with potential.

“In the ’90s, we’d learned that Australia was successfully turning methane into power using Caterpillar [tractor] gas engines,” Huang says. “They’d then transfer that power to the grid.”

Huang thought China could do the same thing, and he began promoting the idea a decade ago. He believed that recovering and repurposing methane could help protect the environment and reduce the country’s dependence on coal, if only slightly.

Until then, some of the larger coal mines were using captured methane in kitchens for cooking. But Huang had something bigger in mind.

Huang was working with both the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Asian Development Bank. After a number of field studies, he recommended building a methane power plant similar to Australia’s at Sihe Mine in Shanxi Province.

[…]

But [Sihe’s] power plant has become a model for methane pumping. A pumping station brings up the methane from underground, and gas engines turn it into energy. Caterpillar, the company based in Lafayette, Ind., sold 60 gas engines to the coal mine for more than $50 million.

The plant produces 120 megawatts of capacity continuously, enough to power 82,000 American homes on a daily basis.

What Michele Norris and her editors fail to grasp is that Methane is simply “Natural Gas,” and that it generates over 20% of U.S. electricity.

I watched about the last six minutes of the debate. Fortunately, calls from studants with questions about their term papers kept me busy for the rest of it. I thought HRC did well, and that Obama did very well. I didn’t have to watch any questions from the moderators.

for anyone who hasn’t got their fill of the debate horror, the “liveblog” done by rick klein at abc.com makes for blood boiling reading. and his 9:19pm entry sums up the true winner of the night:

9:19 pm ET: A Republican strategist offers this, to ABC’s Karen Travers: “I think we’re going to buy 90 minute infomercials in October to replay this . . .”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/liveb…..ing-f.html

Not my mythology, but weren’t the thirty pieces of silver awarded to someone because he had no scruples?

et, has spring sprung up there yet?

Dude, write to Congress, and tell them to scrap this system. Tell your Senators and reps to take debates away from networks. That will get their attention. The goal will not be reform, but to replace the current system.

What you saw tonight is dangerous stuff. It is subversion of the democratic process. Serious incompetence, serious unprofessionalism, perhaps seriously corrupt journalism.

Think about a debate moderated by Russert or Gibson right before general with somem Cheney-Bush Iran hanky panky in the background. Think about that.

I honestly believe Gibson went beyond objectively out of bounds. He conducted parts of that debate as if his premises were abosolute obvious facts. And if the candidates did not agree, then he became hostile, editorialized, and smeared their integrity.

OK, how true were some of Gibson’s assumptions.

I think there are also very good complaints that can be made about basic journalism 101 news judgment in the selection of topics and questions.

These debates are not for our entertainment, they are a public service for people voting in elections. It doesn’t make any difference how many people watched. If just a few tens of thousands watched in PA, then it served a public service. If the corporate media are screwing that up, take the debates away from them.

And do it on straightforward arguments about competence and professionalism.

Take it away from the corporate media, RIGHT NOW, after their public humiliation. Get a new system up and running for the general. Heck get one up and running for any one that might happen before another primary. Kill it off RIGHT NOW!

Ed Zachary.

Yes, methane is natural gas, but people have been letting it vent into the atmosphere in coal mines and other places. The use of it in a place where it seemed impractical before is the innovation here.

I meant to type:

“I honestly believe Gibson went objectively out of bounds into unprofessionalism and incomptetence tonight.”

I missed the debate, but:
– http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00013.html
– http://firedoglake.com/2008/04…..nt-1393599

Hey! Spring has sprung!

The tax fight alone should get Gibson fired.

The Pacific Northwest is currently under the influence of La Nina. The high today was 48 degrees and there is snow predicted in the Portland area this weekend at elevations over 500 feet.
Spring has sprung like a twisted up Slinky around here.

Born in Evanston, Illinois, Gibson moved to Washington, D.C., when he was 12. He attended the prestigious Sidwell Friends School, a private college-preparatory school in the city. Gibson graduated from Princeton University where he was news director for the university radio station, WPRB-FM and a member of Princeton Tower Club. He now serves on Princeton’s Board of Trustees. Originally, Gibson planned to go into law, but reconsidered when he determined his grades were not sufficient for top tier law schools. Gibson joined the RKO Radio Network in 1966 as a producer, but then switched gears and joined the Coast Guard and worked as a reporter/anchor for WLVA (now WSET) in Lynchburg, Virginia as one of five employees. He then moved to WMAL-TV (now WJLA) in 1970, and took a fellowship from the National Endowment for the Humanities in 1973 before joining ABC in 1975.

from charlie’s wiki page

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I think you get the picture that Obama supporters are righteously indignant about the behavior of ABC’s Gibson and Stephanopoulos, and are hell bent on doing something about it.

I missed it, but I’m not surprised.

When I heard they shut off applause at the debate the writing was on the wall.

Busy packing for my trip to Texas… good you dugg it neuro… I made sure I did also…. Will be hanging for a while but I need to be up early for the flight…

Evening firepups and ES Neil is always good tunes but the video said more than words can convey!!! Bush there are enough descripitive words to convey what
I think and feel about him…. Take that NSA…. hope they let me on the plane in the morning.

et, has spring sprung up there yet?

About 2 weeks ago it sprang. But when it came back down, the ground had re-frozen, and it seems to have broken on impact. Last night driving out of Anchorage was hell. Part of it was people pissed at my brand-new MY AMERICA DOESN’T TORTURE! bumper sticker.

The other part was the ice, slush and snow.

Yup. It’s one thing to ask folks to keep it down, but sound control is another.

It sounds like this was a well-planned hit job.

Obama needs to sit down and write a nice long Obama style speech on the Constitution.

wigwam, poorly planned but well executed. I don’t think it worked as much as they hoped.

of course it was. abc/disney ran that fake 911 docudrama that blamed 911 on the dems, knowing it was false they aired it anyway.

There are lots of other sources of methane as well. Feed lots are one. Methane is produced during fermentation (anaerobic decay) of organic matter. Figuring out how to capture it and use it rather than just releasing it into the atmosphere is a worthwhile thing since it is one of the greenhouse gases.

They used sound control??

Did they also pass out Soma?
Jeez.

I understand it’s still pretty harmful once burned.

I heard one guy yell really loud… but it was short lived and you could tell they had a lot of audio control working to their advantage.

There was almost no applause the entire evening as well. Deafening silence.

Think carbon…. major global warming gas as it holds heat. Levels are sky rocketing…

Sad to see some over at DailyKos are assuming that ABC did this as a pro-Clinton stunt by ABC. That is really foolish. They will work over HRC like a bunch of thugs if she were the front runner or candidate in general.

Some of the DailyKos folks have lost their senses.

I think best thing is to start public debate on ending the system and taking away the corporate media’s crony capitalist, big DLC DEM big corporate GOP goodie.

Not sure if it could be done, but ought to be public fuss to try to do it.

tonight should be the night of the last major political debate put on by any major for profit corporate media company, cable, broadcast, whatever –should be the last one, for ever and ever.

In other news, I noticed Specter is definitely running again and Pelosi is trying to help get Columbian free trade back on the fast track..if Georgie poo will just play nice.

Probably so – like everything we burn. But I think that it is less harmful after combustion, because it becomes mainly CO2 and water, and at least the CO2 plants can work with.

From Wikipedia:

Methane is a chemical compound with the molecular formula CH4. It is the simplest alkane, and the principal component of natural gas. Methane’s bond angles are 109.5 degrees. Burning methane in the presence of oxygen produces carbon dioxide and water. The relative abundance of methane and its clean burning process makes it a very attractive fuel. However, because it is a gas at normal temperature and pressure, methane is difficult to transport from its source. In its natural gas form, it is generally transported in bulk by pipeline or LNG carriers; few countries still transport it by truck.

Methane is a relatively potent greenhouse gas with a high global warming potential of 72 (averaged over 20 years) or 25 (averaged over 100 years) [1]. Methane in the atmosphere is eventually oxidized, producing carbon dioxide and water. As a result, methane in the atmosphere has a half life of seven years (every seven years, the amount of methane halves).

The abundance of methane in the Earth’s atmosphere in 1998 was 1745 parts per billion, up from 700 ppb in 1750. In the same time period, CO2 increased from 278 to 365 parts per million. The radiative forcing effect due to this increase in methane abundance is about one-third of that of the CO2 increase[1]. In addition, there is a large, but unknown, amount of methane in methane clathrates in the ocean floors. Global warming could release this methane, which could cause a further sharp rise in global temperatures. Such releases of methane may have been a major factor in previous major extinction events. The Earth’s crust also contains huge amounts of methane. Large amounts of methane are produced anaerobically by methanogenesis. Other sources include mud volcanoes which are connected with deep geological faults.

If ABC manipulated the sound, that is another public scandal. This is a news event, not some rinky dink reality show.

True. I sometimes wonder if there could ever be a way of capturing the stuff in hen houses and barns where horses and cows stay, and use it to help heat them. It wouldn’t be easy to collect, but if anyone could figure out a way …

… and coal ain’t clean — the only way to get energy from coal is to oxidize it to carbon dioxide, which is a greenhouse gas.

I certainly don’t think any Dem should place themselves in that situation again. If Clinton and her supporters were to invite/join Obama Dems, now, in such a declaration, it would be good for all.

I think that there are places that do that. I seem to recall reading about that.

on the science channel, i recently saw a show where they captured cow manure, used the methane retreived to generate electricity for the entire farm and sold excess electricity back to the electric co.

they also sold the cow manure after processing for gardeners.

No way to win on the carbon front unless it is sequestered in underground storage facilities. Demonstration project in the planning stages.

I smell butter, Gnite.

The Chinese have been pumping their methane directly into the atmosphere, so they can mine their coal, which is really dumb, because watt-for-watt a methane-fueled generator costs only half as much as a coal-fueled generator.

Was this on a factory farm, or a more traditional one? On the former, it would seem to be a lot easier to “collect” the manure. Saw one such farm between El Paso and Los Cruces last year, and I’d have to say that if I were living near that place I’d be pretty upset with the neighbors.

I’m skeptical about sequestration, but hope it works.

Watt-for-watt methane generates only half as much C02 as coal, the rest of the energy comes from oxidizing hydrogen to H2O.

Hi all. I am back. Back spasms, but in one of those annoying parts of my back that my machine doesn’t reach. :(

It burns very cleanly, that’s for sure. Coal’s easier to transport, and it’s safer when it’s just lying around (dust is a problem, of course). Always tradeoffs.

i came back to an animal shit thread???

“Obama needs to sit down and write a nice long Obama style speech on the Constitution.”

Great IDEA! Start off with the disappointment listeners to the debate must have had when ABC would present a section of the Constitution and then the questions involved material more appropriate to a gossip column.

Then go into various sections of the Constitution…on religion (First Amendment…but also the clause that on “no religious test”)…the powers of the President and how these have been expanded at the devaluation of those not only of Congress and Court…but of the PEOPLE. The Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Habeas Corpus. The 13th and 14th Amendments. He could frame this as being the great legacy of the State of Pennsylvania to the country BEFORE there was a Washington, D.C….before there were business lobbyists influencing legislators. He could speak about why the Second Amendment was so concerned about REGULATING militias, and gave that control to the Congress and the States…after the Whisky and Shay’s rebellions. He could talk about how the Congress also realized that the economic poverty of the Veterans of the Revolutionary War, their lack of penison money and manipulation by lenders who the took their lands created the conditions for the rebellion.

He could bring the genius of the Constitution to life for the present…show how it isn’t just a bunch of words or a meaningless piece of paper, but a living document that can be and MUST BE reinterpreted within modern circumstances. He needs to remind us the next President will likely appoint several Supreme Court judges…and certainly will appoint hundreds of Federal Judges and Federal Attorneys…men and women that will be dealing with the issues arising from the credit and mortgage foreclosure crisis through the next decades, just as the had to rule on the Enron debacle, the Jack Abramoff scandal, and a host of other corruption cases.

Oh, my. Glad it’s over. I had one of those once – it was the only time pain caused me to hallucinate.

i came back to an animal shit thread???

evening betsy.
location, location, location

Can it be worse than the smell from a feed lot? There is one we used to pass in the Texas Panhandle on the way to Colorado. If you weren’t a vegetarian before, you were after you got through the foul air.

Almost any biomass can be converted to “biogas” which is mostly methane. It can be burned locally as is, but has to be processed and cleaned up a lot before it can be sold into the commerical natural-gas pipelines.

And, I’ve read that the left-over sludge has some agricultural value. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogas

it ain’t over. just waiting for the meds to kick in.

i was part of the cool fuels series and i don’t remember the details.. sorry

I’m wondering if there might be satellite feed of this somewhere. It was certainly more than one person yelling, it sounded like three or four shouting. It was up on Kos, I believe, but just the part where they cut back after the segment of analysis by …oh Gosh. What’s his name.

Josh at TPM hits out of the park with this…

What I didn’t like about the debate, though, was the debate itself. Not only were most of the questions on partisan gotchas and frivolous points. But more importantly the questions upon which the candidates were pressed the most were ones that presumed the correctness of Republican agenda items, sometimes explicitly so — on taxes, capital gains taxes, gun rights, Iraq, etc.

Sounded to me like there were a number of people yelling scattered through out the audience. Definitely more than just three or four. Maybe not, but that was my impression.

I think it’s called Amarillo!

The part i am thinking about, iirc, was in about the third quarter (time wise).

Can it be worse than the smell from a feed lot?

I wouldn’t want to speculate. The factory farm was well ventilated.

On that cheery note, I think I’d better head off. Goodnight all. Hang in there, TexBetsy.

Oh, I found a transcript for tonight’s debate. Maybe I’ll look at it again tomorrow.

Yeah. And they serve you that shit at that restaurant that has the free 300 pound steak if you eat all of it at one sitting. Big Tex or something like that on I-40.

g’nite cujo

Yes, eat a three pound t-bone and win something or eat for free.. been there many times. I enjoy that drive in stormy weather most of all.

OK Suzanne, are ya related to these forkers?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..ource=mypi

BTW, now ya see how long it takes me to get in here.

thanks. sleep well.

Wouldn’t it be great if one of the candidates actually talked back and told the “moderator” what asinine questions he was asking? Someone needs to develop a better format.

Aloha, Cujo!

Thought you might be interested in my nephews email to his brother and I describing his research. He has been giving lectures about this at different gatherings of material scientist, He has a PHD in material science.

Thanks for the info. The new discovery pertains to the lattice solitons. Basically, I found a new
type of excitation that allows me to measure the temperature of the lattice solitons and also
rigorously prove their existence. I am still working on how to explain the effect but right now I
am calling it the energy trapping excitation. It occurs at an energy that is ten times higher than is
supposed to be possible for lattice vibrations. That is because it is a measure of energy being
trapped in the lattice soliton ‘hot spots’. These ‘hotspots’ have an effective temperature of 1856
K, even when the material is only 450 K. Interestingly, this is well above the melting temperature.
This discovery could prove especially useful in the future discovery of lattice solitons in other
materials.

I have also found evidence that these lattice solitons transport heat. There is a most exciting
possibility that this could be used to make a thermal transport diode. That is a material that
allows heat to flow more easily in one direction than the other, much the way a diode does with
charge flow. This would completely change the way we think about heat transfer and could
revolutionallize the energy industry.

FORK! *laughing* reminds me of the 80’s when every year, i would wrap my brother’s birthday present so that it was dayam near impossible for him to open. the best was the year i used bailing wire, duct tape, cardboard and used barbed wire for the bow and ribbon.

And that was when he was 3, right?;)

LOL!
His present inside a pair of wire cutters?
Yer mean.
LMAO
Gnite!!

As a smart friend commented the other day, “we don’t have an energy shortage, we have a technology shortage.” Sounds like your nephew is helping us out. Good on him. I hope he does well.

sleep well busted

Well, I think it is time to do what all the other critters in my house are doing – sawing logs. I will leave you in Betsy’s capable hands at least until her meds kick in. ‘night all.

in my hands, eh? does that mean i can change the topic? or mess with their minds?

g’nite busted

my brother was in his 20’s at the time

Both. Have at it.

g’nite gnome

Pentagon records detail prisoner abuse by US military
from ABC News: Top Stories http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..id=4670531
Pentagon documents detail abuse of Afghan prisoners at US facility

Detainees at the Gardez Detention Facility in southeastern Afghanistan reported being made to kneel outside in wet clothing and being kicked and punched in the kidneys, nose and knees if they moved, according to the documents.

A 2006 Army review concluded that the detainees were not abused but that the incident revealed “misconduct that warrants further action.”

The documents, which were turned over Wednesday evening to the American Civil Liberties Union, focus on the 2003 death of Afghan detainee Jamal Nasser, who died in U.S. custody at the Gardez facility.

The documents detail interrogation techniques used on eight detainees, including Nasser, who were suspected of weapons trafficking.

Good night all sleep well :>) should be here tomorrow for the late late night from Texas :>)

sleep well.

nite nahant

kiss that baby for us, nahant!

hug her too, nahant.

9857 comments @ ABC’s debate thread.

Texb, I almost don’t want to click on anything ABC anymore (except complaints). What to do, what to do? *g

vent that frustration with your congresscritters on both the state and federal level about the debate and how changes need to be made to the process.

the media is no longer neutral and impartial.

The money quote is in the paragraph i copied out.

Wow! Very, very interesting stuff. It is sure to have a lot of applications.

But now is time for me to crash. G’nite all.

What did I miss? New baby?

g’nite wigwam

nahant has grandbaby #6 a girl – headed down to see her and her parents and siblings.

Thank you for the Neil fix

night wigwam. congrats nahant.

Quite welcome..)

Gibson joined the RKO Radio Network in 1966 as a producer, but then switched gears and joined the Coast Guard and worked as a reporter/anchor for WLVA (now WSET) in Lynchburg, Virginia as one of five employees.

Wait a second…he joined the Coast Guard at the height of the Vietnam War? Just after he graduated from college? And he considered LAW SCHOOL but didn’t have the grades.

Lemme see…could he have gone into the Coast Gaurd because his college deferment had expired? And he was going to be drafted? And so decided to join the Coast Gaurd, instead?

Does that mean Charlie is Chickenhawk Charlie?

Well, I didn’t watch it because I don’t have television.
And based on the comments of others, this looks like a real good example
of why I don’t have a television and don’t travel to watch it.
In my humble opinion, anyone who expected any thing less hasn’t been paying attention to what they’ve seen from these networks. If you look at what they consistently do, and what is at the time their main story, you would see that they are fox lite. I.E. they are fox tuned down and a little more subtle. It’s easy to see, barring a genius finding a way to combat it and change what people are glued to on their boob-tubes, that there is only one way to change it. And it isn’t typing or voting.

He’s definitely a swift-boater.

was wondering who was gonna pick up on that c’ape.

sure looks that way to me.

I wonder how cold it was outside when they had water thrown on them.

When people have water thrown on them they flinch as a reflex, and for this they were kicked and punched in the kidneys? And if they moved because they were going into hypothermia they were beaten?

Apparently the soldiers learned these techniques in SERE…and these were presented to them in SERE as “torture techniques” as they were given training on how to psychologically deal with them. That pretty much says it, I think.
Similar to the water boarding training.

but the pentagon said this is not abuse. don’t you believe them?

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette blog reports:

WTAE [Pittsburgh’s ABC affiliate] in its post-game coverage, asks everybody at its “watch party” if Sen. Obama was forced to spend too much time answering “gotcha” questions, 45 minutes or so about flag pins and Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. Almost everybody raised their hands.

Thermal solar energy applications?

Well I must call it a night..

g’nite fabulous firedogs

pain free rest when you get there, texb.

thanks es. think i will try now.

night all

nite eureka
good luck betsy

good nite folks

try not to be too bitter

g’nite eureka
pain free sleep wishes tex
g’nite neuro

After this debate the Press had better start asking John McCain some questions about Jane’s voting complaint!
They had better start asking if Mr can’t tell a Sunni from a Shia is senile.
I want to hear why John McCain and his Senate Armed Services Committee never did squat about all the government contractors screwing the army and the taxpayers when the GOP ran things.
Could we have won the war if our troops were not getting screwed waiting for armored Humvees, Bullet proof vests, and defective Helmets, never mind clean water? Where was John McCain when the troops needed him to look out for them?
Where the hell is the press?
Oh wait they are asking Obama about his church, and Hilary about Bosina for over 50 minutes instead of asking them if they knew the difference between a Sunni and a Shia.
How can you fight a war if your GOP leaders don’t know who the hell they are fighting?

After loosing a war the next step for a society is blame. The German elite knew that and so they blamed the Jews a minority group to protect their own hides.
I say we look at our elite who lied us into the war with the press and Judy Miller’s help.
I say we look at the Neocons
I say we look at all the companies that got rich off of war related contracts and screwed our troops.
I say we ask what ever happened to all those rebuild Iraq projects that were suppose to buy us goodwill from the Iraqis.

excellent points, things. we need an honest truman commision investigation into all these things – and more.

10109 comments now at ABC

wow – out-forking-standing, newton.

The next step after that is punishment
I think trials for Judy Miller, Scooter and the Neocons for lying to America about WMD should be turned over to the Hague.
I think any company who screwed the troops is guilty of treason during wartime. Which I think means the Death Penalty.
I think Condi, Ashcrowft, Darth all should go to the Hague for war crimes as should Bush.
Otherwise in ten years the film Rambo 7? will be set in Iraq teaching a generation of kids who know nothing about this war that we could have won if only the Liberals had let Bush take the gloves off.
Yes its hard to believe the Dems could be blamed for stopping Bush, but the GOP does need someone else besides themselves to blame.
President Ford’s decision to Pardon Nixon was wrong this time we need a trial to place blame, punish the guilty, and show the world the law matters. At 70% I do not think we should worry about tearing America apart.

I got three comments there one was a repeat. I wonder how many other fire pups lifted their legs and let ABC know that we were marking our turf?

ok, pups, that’s about it for me tonight. g’nite all.

Most people of that era were advised to join the National Guard or Coast Guard if their deferments had run out. Many had to have someone pull some strings to get in, demand was so high. Despite the general idea that serving in the USCG was a guarantee that you wouldn’t be sent to “Nam a few Coast Guard vessels were sent…but only a very small percentage. Navy was a greater risk of being in combat, and National Guard was almost zero. But if you were drafted…usually it was the infantry…and for many years that meant ‘Nam. A few were able to get special assignments, again by connections.

I don’t think Gibson ever served in Vietnam, and it’s likely he would have been drafted. To get in the USCG the physical standards were generally higher than the normal draft.

nite suz

Goodnite Suzanne!

I let ‘em know, but in an email to the station.

We need to ask Charlie if he used clout to avoid the war? Maybe thanks to his own experiences he sees himself in President Alabama Guard Bush? That might explain his questions.
But who is his editor and research guy those economic questions he was talking about were Larry Kudlow’s discredited talking points.
Nobody takes those ideas seriously anymore at least not after seven years of Bush proving those ideas don’t work.

I wonder how ABC will respond to the complaints? I wonder how will Hilary and Obama respond you can’t ignore over Ten Thousand complaints!
For now we have not only Proof of Media Bias, we also have proof that America hates the biased way the Main Stream Media covers/tries to slant the news their way.
When Tweety kept harping on Hilary crying he drove New Hampshire voters in droves to vote for Hilary. These independent voters undecided between Hilary and Obama not undecided like they would vote for McCain got so angry at Tweety that they choose to stick it to him by voting for Hilary.
I understand that independents or rather undecided voters normally split down the middle unless something happens, the “Tweety Effect ” happened.
No how will the “Tweety Effect” which I think is defined by the voters action in response to the press being obviously unfair and biased take shape this time in Pennsylvania?
Will Tweety blame the polling for being wrong again? Will ABC admit the “Tweety Effect ” is real? Heck if the media keeps this up they might give us another 5% pints come election time.

This biased debate has changed things in Pennsylvania and maybe Nationally the young Obama supporters just saw first hand the most biased Debate I have seen in my lifetime.
I wonder how they will react?
I wonder how the older voters who remember Nixon will react?
I’m thinking ABC has just pissed off our base and made them even more determined to vote.
But with all the polling ABC does I wonder if the suits upstairs ordered this despite warnings from their own pollsters about what would happen.
I’m guessing some people are getting nervous and ordering all the stops be taken out to stop the Democrats.
But such a move that defeats itself suggests inexperience in the command level deciders and Panic. They are not listening to the pollsters on the ground.