Zo!

Don’t watch this stuff, it’s bad for your image that this is a great nation.

HRC I’m not dumb, made a boo boo.

Bosnia…. How low can ABC go…

documenting the atrocity :)

Questioning so far – all attack, all the time.

I’m assuming there will be no griping about snipergate being brought up.

Just Wrightgate and bittergate.

I’m bitter.

Eli!!

Hill on Bosnia-gate right now. Paraphrasing: “I may be ignorant, but I ain’t stupid.”

What do they call this a debate? May a duet. Parallel Play,

This debate is just ABC taking potshots at both candidates. This is something worthy of FOX

I just tuned in, and I’m ready to tune out. Can anyone suggest a reason why I should continue to watch this crap? I mean, after all, I’ve got lint to pick out of my navel…

No, I’m pissed about that too. It’s just as much of a stupid bullshit story.

HRC – I was a travelin’ first lady which makes me a world leader. Has not answered honesty numbers question

they both should not TAKE the BAIT

pssst Hi!

Can we have a POLICY question?

I don’t get the line about being tired leading to lies … why is that an answer

Hillary goes back to Bill’s lie – I was sleepy when I answered the Bosnia question – jeebus. A great big whopping LIE – but she didn’t get called on it.

naught worse than a dirty navel :P

No wonder ABC wants to hold tight to the broadcast rights. When do they break out the waterboard? I’ve been in and out and this is all they’ve managed to cover?

I think Obama is trying to remind the moderators what they’re supposed to be asking about.

I just tuned in, and I’m ready to tune out. Can anyone suggest a reason why I should continue to watch this crap? I mean, after all, I’ve got lint to pick out of my navel…

Yes, you should watch so you can attest to the assfoolishness

I’m sure tomorrow the talking heads will be elated with the complete lack of policy substance in this debate.

…oooh, Bitter, Wright, Tuzla, blah blah blah

psssst — hey Ellie!

OBAMA back on script

Stephano: Has Clinton been truthful about her past?

Where does he think he is? An interview for the prom court?

she was tweepy wittle baby, and made a boo-boo

yes

Obama is basically asking for an end to gotcha coverage. Amen to that.

I just tuned in, and I’m ready to tune out. Can anyone suggest a reason why I should continue to watch this crap? I mean, after all, I’ve got lint to pick out of my navel…

AMEN!

Go Obama! Bring up the issues!

waste of time

assfoolishness

Nice word, and totally apropos.

omg, flag-gate…

Obama is trying to get them talking about the fact that this could be 1929 and WW2 wrapped into one! Hey you idiot moderators, you’re a**sholes deceiving the American people. [[Smattering of applause].

Condescending, elitist questions on the horserace and the gotchas.
From the horses’ asses.

Substance? Fuggedaboudid.

…So Charlie’s going to ask about electability. Beautiful.

Oh, FFS. Some woman is asking him whether he believes in the American flag. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE.

OMG an american flag question. Obama needs to put this fucking thing down now.

CHARLIE YOU ARE A HACK,A 10,0000,000.00 A YEAR HACK

Flag lapels????

Gibson: Has a voter ask: Do you believe in the American flag?

Gibson and Stephano running neck and neck for who is the most braindead panderer for the Republicans.

Okay, that FUCKING does it… “do you believe in the flag?” I am SOOOO out of here… I can’t afford to buy a new TV, and I forgot to roll up a lot of socks to throw. I’ll catch y’all later…

Has there been ONE substantive question yet?
A Flag pin question??!!
it’s all over the nutcase wingnut internet
This is really IDIOTIC!

We need to protest this garbage.

Has there been a single policy question? Has either candidate been asked a single question about how they might act as President?

Remember how the press handled the GOP debates? Arrrgh.

yes, because all those politicians who wear american flag pins have done such a good job. Torture much? Violate laws much?

Re: Gibson:

frankly, I believe that once you have been a host on a morning fluff show like GMA or Today, you have sold your journalistic credentials and cannot be taken seriously any longer.

they are soooooooooooooooooo RIDICULOUS….wearing a gold pin means bumkis

Watch out! It will be Rezko on the inside corner nest. The Magic Man seem listlesss…does he really want it! Has he go the fire baby. Burn, Baby, Burn…..whoops, my bad…sorry!

Watch for Rezko pitch…it’s comin’!

Obviously, Obama would make a shitty president – everybody knows you can’t do good presidentin’ without wearing a flag pin on your lapel. Just ain’t possible.

does hill wear a flag pin?

Now they bring up some lady who brings up lapel flag pins?

My f*gosh. Obama is expected to wrap himself in the flag to get her vote? These people are sheep…! Hopefully they realize how they are being manipulated!

And thus ABC converts the democratic process into The Gong Show.

Why does anyone care about wearing a flag? How many here wear a flag?

letters to DISNEY …you suck

obama call this a manufactured issue.

No, we’re 40 minutes in and not a single substantive question.

Obama just said this is a prime example of the manufactured issues that distract from the important stuff. Good for him.

And now a Weatherman question. Jebus.

Rachel on recipegate. This kind of thing is big news if it’s on the democratic side, should be on the republican side too. People might care that they blame the intern.

There was a recipe she put out in the past as her own that came right off the quaker oats box!

yup

does hill wear a flag pin?

Not tonight, she isn’t.

Flag fascists.

Seriously, there needs to be a public outcry about this disgrce.

Has there been one substantive question on policy.

OH christ, the weatherman crap

Heh. I think Obama is just going to call out *all* the bullshit questions now. Excellent.

Too bad it’s not the Gong Show, the gong would be ringing on Charlie along time ago…

I thought gurls wore brooches?

Big Ol’ rhinestone ones….

Since the audience cannot, I will applaud obama’s response to the idiotic lapel pin ?

Steffanidiot: william ayers never apologized for being a weather underground. how can you be a patriot if you know bad people?

I’ll ask my question again from the previous thread:

“I’ve not watched one second of the debate tonight. Let me guess, Hillary is wearing a cowgirl outfit and refuses to admit it when the moderator points it out?”

LOL Well, is this happening? If so, maybe I’ll tune in. ;-)

We know the flag works. W wears one.

Obama is basically saying “There you go again” to the moderators.

This is all about selling ad time = $$$.

Gibson pimped their audience participation via ABC and Facebook. Maybe they need some commentary there. Just a thought.

Obamas kindergarden teacher was a BLACK PANTHER

Rachel says the whole schrub thing for Bush is fake. They are moving to Dallas, not the ranch when he’s done.

And he’s smacking down the bullshit guilt-by-association.

Next question will be about Rezko.

I wear a flag t-shirt on July 4.

Now, there’s something I’m going to do. I’ll rely on y’all to supply the rest of the stupidities in comments, but ABC and Disney are getting strongly worded letters from me… The nonsense on Big Brother 9 is making much more sense. (Don’t hit me — it’s a lead in to Dangerous Minds…!)

Glad here in MDT it isn’t on for half and hour…looks like I can skip this much…

Hillary loves to piggyback on Stephanapolis’ nonsense …

I miss the Gong Show. So much fun.

Hillary picks up the ball

Old Barbara Bush is gonna be pissed about that — she’s ON the Quaker Oats box!

Uh-uh…..

The admitted war criminal will be on the first plane to Paraguay after he steps down.

sorry, I got carried away.

HRC is such a bitch! SHut her up! Or ask her about “the fellowship” of right wing christianists she hangs out with in DC.

And Obama looks pissed about it.

Just got in how’s the debate going? Or should I be afraid to ask?

Get the Gong; I’m dragging O through the mud, but I respect Ob.

OMG, that was a great line by Hill.

keep going back to the economy and the War…Barrak

707!

“Bitch”?

Okay if I use the “N” word on Obama?

Didn’t think so.

Obama: You wanna play Weatherman? Okay, we’ll play Weatherman.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. Run screaming into the night.

I still think all neocons should be wearing a cardboard US flag draped on both sides of their bodies, so we can pick these fake patriots out.

I can’t believe there have been no policy questions yet. Yes I can.

yup!!!

no name calling on either HRC or Obama!

How many here wear a flag?

Does a Tibet flag count?

Obama unleashes the Rope- a- dope …

yep … and it’s good he came back about the pardons

Obama is begging for policy questions.

thats teh UGLY and you know it

OMG, that was a great line by Hill.

Just wondering if we’re watching the same debate. The one I’m watching is on ABC. You?

Obama is smooth and appears unflappable. He is certainly looking good tonight, at least to this uninformed observer.

I have to leave to go to my Grandson’s middle school basketball team banquet. Sounds like I’ll be glad to miss this “debate.”

“Bitch” again. Hmmm…

May I use racial epithets against Obama since it seems okay to use female epithets on Clinton?

I thought it was Obama supporters who want to end divisiveness and negativity, hope and change and all that.

This is so bad … just a horrid example of all that is wrong with our media … good god!

This is really horrible, maybe even *worse* than Russert and Williams.

Well, bitch describes behavior, which can change. Just a thought that she might not be called that if she didn’t act like one. Sometimes. Not all the time. But she’s showing that side this evening.

Have thes ass moderators
(name calling on moderator hacks is OK!)
have any of these two jerk moderators asked ONE substantive policy question?

This is just hit peice crap.
Now they have a frikkin pro Wrestling spot for the debates ONE ON ONE!

YANK ABC’s public broadcast license!

I just can’t believe she leapt on that like without even a second thought. She has not tried to move the narrative beyond the republican talking points to degrade obama. this is not even credible as a “debate”.

it’s a talking points fest.

I think the way ABC is pitching this debate they are definitely going after the 12 year old crowd.

i think your right…oy

WE all know Repubs love shiny objects.

The little green line went to over 70% with Obamas.

Now Stephanopolous is bringing up some ex-radical who Obama knows from his neighborhood. Guilt through association.

Hillary is trying to use the same thing…but “people will be asking about it…not me…but I agree with them raising it.”

I’m tired of this crap. Bill Clinton pardoned the Puerto Rican bombers, folks from the WU, interacted with folks that many call terrorists in the Middle East.

Hell, Geo. Bush allowed a self-confessed airline bomber who killed 120 people in a Venezuelan airliner to walk free!

It’s MTV’s “Rock The Cradle” without the music.

i concur…this is DINEY folks,who want to keep you and YOUR CHILDREN…UNINFORMED…TELL THEM

Juno, how would you describe Hillary tonight?

Juno are you watching ABC or something else?

it’s a gooper talking points fest.

Small correction for clarity…

Agreed. That word is best not used to refer to a presidential candidate and the mods will remove comments that do.

Thanks.

Hillary’s line … “I think the Repubs should apologize for the Bush/Cheney years …” FWIW, I thought it was pretty good as well …

Jon Stewart will have fun slapping ABC around tomorrow night….

Okay, up next Charlie & George discuss Rezko & Monica Lewinsky with the candidates for the next hour.

DISNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone just forwarded a link to a PA TV station (I think PA) that has Positive/Negative reactions as the debate goes on:

http://a.abclocal.go.com/wpvi/…..id=5770036

This debate has been brought to you by: Exxon, Summers Eve, and the makers of The Path to 9/11

You know Al Capone lived in Illinois. So does Obama. Draw your own conclusions.

This is as agonizing as watching my BoSox give up 4 runs in Da bronx…! 8-(

Has Hillary yelled yet tonight while holding a Winchester rifle, “…from my cold dead hands!!!!”, and then given her creepy laugh after that?

I hope not. I would be embarrassed for her. It shows a ton of desperation on her part.

oh and watch em PROP UP OLD MAN mCsAME

FDL and assocaited blogs need to make a big fuss.
I am sending an e-mail. I am also calling all the local ABC affiliates and telling them that I will never watch them again, and forget my custom of any companies associated with ABC. No more Disneyland or world nor no Epcot Center nor nothing. no big loss there though.

oh – missed it. yep, pretty good.

((( RBG )))

I wonder how many gotcha questions Snuffalupagus will have for McCain.

Ooo, I bet he’ll totally ask him about Cindy plagiarizing those family recipes! Yeah!

Bingo! LOL

I gave it up. Can’t stand it any more. Turned it off. Crushed the teevee. Ate my flag pin. Drank orange juice. Crikey.

SHITTENOPOLOUS WITH m
McGiggolo

Random Constitution Quote suggests substantive questions at last.

Yeah, well as far as Disney is concerned I’ve done everything in my power to boycott everything they own since that appalling 9/11 piece of crap they produced. Down With The Mouse!

I do think she looks like a prima donna; I do not usually think that, however.

wow a policy question?

But you will notice that “bitch” is written out fully without hesitation but the “N” word must be referred to as the “N” word.

I think that pretty much says it all. The “N” word should remain “The ‘N’ Word”. That isn’t the problem. The problem is, when will “Bitch” become “The ‘B’ word”?

anyone who denies that sexism is a bigger hurdle than racism need only consider the above.

Is it just me or are the ads more insightful than Charles/George ?

wow … 52 minutes in, we get Iraq … but of course the moderators have to step in

Then that explains it. Barbara is Cindy’s mom (in god’s way), and she passed down the recipe. Simple.

thats it BOYCOTT DISNEY….movies,tv programms all of it
Its mind numbing BULLLLLKACKY

707

Good show. This sort of dismissive language has no place on a progressive blog. I adds nothing to and does detract from the attempts at dialogue here. If you must talk like this hie yer tollish self to the land of the Cheetos.

Kos will welcome yer ass as his number continue to crater there.

Only 50 minutes to get the first substantive question! Woohoo!

just don’t drink the kool aid!

You ate your flag pin? You must be one of those bitter Americans, Barbara. LOL *pouring you some more OJ*

Finally an Iraq question… Shut up Charlie!

That took 51 minutes.

Why don’t they quote when the Constitution where it says the President has the right to cancel “habeas corpus” ONLY when we are invaded or in a civil war?

OK, this is fixed.

That pile or shit Gibson decides to spin a good question on substance from viewer into 1000% GOP shill territory.

Gormless voter: Do the candidates have a plan to get out of Iraq or is it just propaganda?

Gibson asked my question from the last thread. LOL Will you withdraw troops although it will destabilize Iraq and waste the gains of the surge?

juno, I apologized for my intemperate word about that woman. why are you making such a big deal out of it? jeebus, grow up.

The kids watch the Daily Show don’t worry about them!

Hillary promises to withdraw troops, but will she withdraw *all* of them?

Not really a mouse….some kind of dwarf rat.

… masked as a gotcha question … is Russert Gibson’s guru ?

This debate is a crime against democracy.

“Do you really have a plan or are all Democrats just phony liars?”

Why don’t they quote when the Constitution where it says the President has the right to cancel “habeas corpus” ONLY when we are invaded or in a civil war?

You’re a real optimist, aren’t you?

Hillary is finally getting some good “focus group” responses, and someone gave a “whoop” in the crowd.

Sorry, but I agree with her that the Republicans owe everyone an apology for the damage they’ve done.

It may be a gotcha question, but at least it’s on a *real* topic.

gibson, do you know better than military commanders? HRC giving a decent answer… but no timetable.

I mean, really. Talk about inane questions. Talk about fueling the flames of what Obama described more gently than I will — bullshit. Can you fuel flames of bullshit? I dunno. But someone needs to tell my man Obama to stop saying, “Look . . .”

Uh RevBev? She is an ex-First Lady. She can’t be both at the same time. LOL

Cindy Loo Hoo was in heat once. It is some behavior! It’s like she was a slut.

… just enough to guard America’s borders against the gravest threat … Bill’s libido …

Democrat candidates need to jump down the moderators throat.

Man, I would have told gibson to shove his idiot spin, and ask a non-moron question.

Good answer by Hill: We don’t know what will happen if we withdraw, but we sure as hell know what will happen if we don’t.

You know Al Capone lived in Illinois. So does Obama. Draw your own conclusions.

So did I:)

Well, I think the ‘debate’ is over..Hard to spin this..:)

The Boss backs Obama
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8672

League of Women Voters, we need you NOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

No television network should ever, ever, ever be allowed to host/moderate a “debate” again.

Man, getting old really sucks. I remember when Charles Gibson used to be a newsman and reporter…

This is lunacy. The candidates should call them out, tell Charlie and George that they are embarrassing the people of Pennsylvania, and leave. Just walk out.

oooh, rock hard pledge.

Obama: president sets the mission. OMG he read the constitution.

Baby, I’m goin’ for the straight shots. Me, Miss Kitty and Hillary. Skol!

Gibson: Do you know better than our godlike military commanders?

Idiot! That’s why we have civilian control of the military. What part of the Constitution does Gibson not understand wrt this?

Obama nails it. It is the President who sets the mission.

Gibson gibbous baboon.

Hear, hear!! Unfortunately, we’ll never get one.

Obama: The president sets the mission, and it’s time to set one that actually makes sense and keeps Americans safe.

“Well, bitch describes behavior, which can change. Just a thought that she might not be called that if she didn’t act like one. Sometimes. Not all the time. But she’s showing that side this evening.”

Well, you don’t give me much hope, then, that Obama’s inspiration and hope and change are very plausible.

Your argument is similar to the Republican argument that torture is justified if you torture really bad people.

Tip: it is NEVER right or okay to call someone a “bitch” or any epithet. Your behavior is not dependent on their behavior.

I’d think it’d be Obama supporters of all people who’d understand that.

heh, I was thinking the same thing.

Yeah, I heard that the Boss is for Obama too, and Obama eats Butterscotch Krimpets -that locks PA. It is over.

Anyone else resisting the urge to push Gibson’s glasses back ONTO his nose?

She’s heading toward the 80’s! Now Obama’s chance. Says Bush is not doing his job as President, Petraeus doesn’t set policy.

Why did Stephano get a preschool desk ?

Obama talking tough about Iranian nukes.

Stephanapolis … Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons as if that was fact.

I’m surprised Hillary isn’t interrupting by saying, “Can we talk about Leatherman’s (all-in-one knife) instead?”. Bah hahahahahaha!

Okay, I’ll stop being mean now. :-)

ohmygawd. Are there really Butterscotch Krimpets? I thought that was a figment of Janet Evanovich’s imagination.

Steffanidiot: iran will threaten israel. will we do a nato-like counterstrike on behalf of israel? well, aipac got their gooper question in.

Keith’s going to do the rundown on the debate too.

Stephano: Now positing an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel. Would we respond?

His follow up and if the Martians attack the Venusians will you stand tall or stand down?

Yay, KO will rejoin us in one half hour when the Mouse Travesty ends! “Watch it there if you must, but understand it here [msnbc]”

And Obama agreed.

omg … butterscotch krimpets … I grew up on those and miss them soooo much!

Heffalumpulus lies about Iran “continuing to seek Nuclear Weapons”. WRONG!

The moderators are totally unprofessional.
George just assumed a dubious premise for his question -can the moran Geoge honestly say he knows Iran is going nuclear. Then he spun into a fantastical Russert scenario.

If Obama learns how to improve his performance on the fly as the President as well as he’s improved his debating skills in the last few months, he’ll do just fine.

Has there been a Pope question?

Has there been a torture question?

What about prosecuting war crimes?

But I’ll bet Cindy Loo Hoo had twice as many legs as Sen. Clinton! Poor Cindy Loo Hoo couldn’t help herself, having that many legs. (And oh, boy, wowy wow that is something to live through with a 4-legged friend unless you’re planning a family.)

oh Hill WARMONGER

Right. Don’t mess with Tastykakes.

Obama coming out strong for Israel. This is an invitation to pander and Obama fell for it.

Israel has 200-300 nuclear weapons. They can take care of themselves.

The questioning tonight is contemptible. It took 54 minutes for Charlie Gibson to ask a question of any kind of substance. We should everyone of us e-mail, write, or call ABC News now–NOW–and take them to task for this fiasco.
I’ve written three published books of investigative journalism. And I am ashamed of my profession. This is pitiful.

HRC: umbrella of deterrance coverin israel/. Iran is dangerous (gee, weren’t they in 1979 too?) trying to get fissile material (bullshit)

No, no, no.

the NIE said Iran was not seeking a nuclear bomb iirc

Get the League of Women Voters to moderate the debates again

Control of the presidential debates has been a ground of struggle for more than two decades. The role was filled by the nonpartisan League of Women Voters (LWV) civic organization in 1976, 1980 and 1984. In 1987, the LWV withdrew from debate sponsorship, in protest of the major party candidates attempting to dictate nearly every aspect of how the debates were conducted. On October 2, 1988, the LWV’s 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a dramatic press release:

The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates … because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates’ organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U…..on_debates

You sound bitter, barbara. That’s against the rules.

Both of them are using the MSM premise…Hillary ignores the last NSE that says there is NO evidence for Iran seeking nukes!

Lol.

Clinton will not meet with Ahmadinejad but diplomatic process OK.

Have the Iraqis been blamed yet for not getting their act together after our invasion and destruction of their country and culture?

nodding … at least his willingness to talk gives me hope

The moderators are totally unprofessional.

I disagree. I think they’re doing the job they were paid to do quite well.

hrc: I’m tuff, but haven’t read the nie

I think both candidates are taking strategy of ignoring the idiot gotcha questions.

But, I really really want an organized fuss over this farce.
Maybe the candidates will not call out these fool moderators as unprofessional illiterate goof hacks, but someone has to.

Where are they? What are they? Horrendously OT. Sorry. Sorry. But inquiring mind wants to know.

thank you,that is what i meant

Hillary appears to be advocating the US as a kind of proxy for nukes – if you forswear nukes, we’ll launch a counterstrike on your behalf if you get nuked.

Why did Stephano get a preschool desk ?

To match his intellect? Or the quality of his questions?

One shot of tequila every time Hillary says “fail.”

the NIE said Iran was not seeking a nuclear bomb iirc

details, details, you’re just getting in the way of the narrative spouting facts.

we’re letting MCCAIN write the questions?

But… but they’re not journalists! They’re totally unqualified!

One shot of tequila every time a moderator says “pledge.”

OMG tax question. tax increases. OMG what do we pay with? pixie dust?

heffalumpamus: read my lips pledge?

Good girl! Hillary laughing at St. McCain.

If you’re elected, how much will you raise taxes on the middle class?

I want to see the line for McCain…deadliner….

Stephonull says Hillary must make a “read my lips pledge”.

Of course, it’s ABC after all.

AFL-CIO endorsed Clinton today.

Butterscotch Krimpets by Tastykake

Rules? We got rules? In the kingdom of George, we got rules? Wow! Sorry. Bitter (smacks self in head). Bitter (smack) Bitter (smack).

Hillary will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k a year.

That seems like kind of a high threshold for “middle class”.

she is a saber rattler par excellent…HUGELY supported by the MIC

Because he looked like an Albino and said “Audicity”? I laughed too..

Obama sees her not-raise, and raises her a tax cut.

Why doesn’t Stephano point out that it was the Republicans who f*cked over the economy?

Don’t the candidates set the rules? Couldn’t they influence future debates by requiring substantive questions?

Was that really the question? (not watching it) Good gawd! What a fascist asshole!

Got a link ? Thanks !

scuse me Jomentum mebbe…Mc Giggolo takes a lot of naps between stumps

Just coming home and tuning in. Has the whole thing been shiny objects and right wing talking points?

please please please please someone tell me how we pay for everything these cheeseheads. OMG I don’t understand the economics of any of this

Do none of these idiots realize we owe the Chinese so much money we’ll never pay it back before the year 2400?

Always happy to talk Krimpets …

see here: http://shop.tastykake.com/b2c/b2c/init.do

They are best in the old 3 packs that the candy store around the corner from my grandparents lived. The KandyKakes are good too but the Butterscotch Krimpets are the best ever.

Ooo, “Pain trickles up.” I like it.

D’ya want him to lose his job ?

Yet Hillary gets good marks for linking taxes to social services…it’s necessary.

Now, now, now Barbara…your bitterness is seeping out all over the place. Push your skirt back down and come back to the table with the rest of us non-bitter people, okay? LOL

Hillary will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k a year.

That seems like kind of a high threshold for “middle class”.

Yeah, by that standard, I’m pretty sure I’m homeless.

No, I was exaggerating. He showed a clip of McCain saying the Democrats would raise everyone’s taxes, and Steff skeptically asked them if they would pledge not to.

But… but they’re not journalists! They’re totally unqualified!

And Journalists would Never write about subjects they no nothing about.

No it was an idiot iron clad pledge question. It’s stupid and it is a trap. If you don’t take it then you are an enemy of the middle class. If you do then you are irresponsible, and they will have an idiot follow-up.

Dude, Gibson is spinning it right now.

Obama is doing well on using the Edwards. Obama says Middle Class is $200-$250K.

Oh jeez, now Gibson is saying that tax cuts increase revenue…

Wow, charlie just asked why do you want to tax me

Alright, Charlie Gibson is spouting f#cking Reagonomics. I’m changing the channel.

Call and write to the sponsors, whoever they may be. Hit ‘em in the purse. It’s the only thing they understand.

you go Obama

They are going to recap the debate on Nightline tonight, in case you’re missing it.

I don’t think we have them here (sob).

Sincerely,
Krimpetless in Minnesota

yep … made me feel like I was back in NH!

Obama saying rich people should not be paying less taxes than their secretaries. Good frame, even if he got it from Buffett.

I didn’t see that. Is this the correct site?

http://www.aflcio.org/

Oh okay. Phew. I was thinking Gibson had lost his mind completely.

yeah, he did…

yup!!!!

If they both agreed to

Wow, no. I went to get it, saw the headline on Yahoo News today, but there is nothing to be found now. I wonder if it was an errant headline.

Weird.

Gibson is giving BS statistics on capital gains taxes. Lower the tax and revenue from it increases, i.e. the rich get a lot richer and pay a little something on the tax. BS

Obama finally brought up the bank of china and debt.

Gibson wants to protect the “capital Gains Tax”….argued it generated more revenue. (Ahem based upon a fake dot.com bubble).

So if you were awarding points in this “debate,” how’d you score it?

Charlie,cant let it go

Charlie Gibson sure does love his capital gains tax talking point.

gibson really really wants to keep his millionaire pundit class tax breaks.

we BAILED OUT WALL STREET

I agree. And if he chooses an administration like he’s chosen his campaign committee, he just might save America.

I’m scratching my head right now. I saw the headline on Yahoo News today, but I just did a search for it and nothing is coming up, so I can’t even figure out what I got wrong.

Sorry everyone. Ignore! I must be mistaken.

Obama made a very substantive point about the credit-card and bank of china and neither of the “moderators” said a fucking word.

Alright, Charlie Gibson is spouting f#cking Reagonomics. I’m changing the channel.

Me too. I tuned back in when I heard substantive questions were being asked, but this one tore it for me. I’m off to watch Dangerous Minds. At least when you watch that show it’s clear who the psychopaths are…

he makes 10,000,000.00$ per YEAR mofo

Hillary talking about investment, but not how she’ll pay for it.

Sweet monkey Jebus, why would anyone want to subject themselves to this atrocity? Better pundits please.

We need to research the content and validity of Gibsons question. And if he is as full of nonsense as I think he is, there needs to be an organized campaign for Gibson being irresponsible and unprofessional journalist.

Seriously. I wanna an organized campaing about this debate.

This is outrageous.

he is back on his game

Anyone else resisting the urge to push Gibson’s glasses back ONTO his nose?

as amater of fact, yes.
I too get the feeling he is looking down his nose at the candidates and at US

I expect a hugh endorsement this week … thought that might be it …

HRC pandering to union voters.

Gibson asserts that deregulated “Bubbles” generate more revenue…but ignores that this is because the taxes are getting the menudo off of the steaks being cut off the flanks of working people. All that credit theft, mortgage rate theft, etc.

So if you were awarding points in this “debate,” how’d you score it?

I figured it even, until the last fifteen minutes or so – Hill pulling ahead…

pundit,is the Indian word for expert…….these are NOT experts

Why don’t the millionaire candidates call out the millionaire broadcasters?

Preserving their own wealth is Charlie & Snuff’s primary advocacy. They should be mocked for it. Regular Americans would love seeing these elitists mocked.

anyone still awake?

Teh tubes are funny like that sometimes :)

Hillary might raise capital gains tax, but not above the 20% it was in the 90s. That kind of short-circuits any counterargument about capital gains taxes throttling the economy.

Too complex for the millionaire broadcasters

By those standards, the word has absolutely lost its meaning.

Even if the idiot innumerate illiterate moderators knew what they were talking about, their questions would be irresponsible and stupid.

“History shows that when you drop the capital gains tax, the revenues go up . . . . ” so sayeth the Sterling Professor of Economics, Dr. Charles Gibson.

Where does this pompous fool get off? Who is writing the script for him? What is he basing his learned commentary on?

This is such a disgrace.

Why don’t the millionaire candidates call out the millionaire broadcasters?

great point

Obama raising cap on SS tax, makes the point correctly. Shoots down talking point.

The question about taxes is a joke. Just compare Bill’s years to Bush’s years in office with a ten year chart of the DOW at Google finance.

taxation is why they DeSPISE OBAMA

Are the moderators supposed to argue with the candidates? I thought the candidates were supposed to argue with each other?

Russert, probably.

This is just painful to read.
Sounds like Faux news is hosting the debate

F- this, no more freakim debates. If you don’t know enough about these candidates, then you haven’t been paying attention

Obama: you can’t get something for nothing. Well, he’s wrong… charlie and snuff get paid for being brain dead.

ha ha ha! you fell for that, eh?

Gibson is such a f*cking whore with his capital gains whining. All this means is that you are impoverishing the rest of the economy to benefit wealthy investors who rape and pillage large parts of the economy with paper profits that don’t produce a damn thing. Yes, they can pay a little more in capital gains but the overall effect is detrimental to the economy as a whole and just make the rich a lot richer. Sheesh!

it is really laughable,and extremely transparent who they are gunning for

Raising the cap on payroll taxes would effect educators? Maybe College Deans at Penn State and Notre Dame!

How many educators make over $100-200,000 a year? Talk about a myth that many teachers have that much income. And shouldn’t they contribute a “bit” more to the SS solvency issue?

Obama says Middle Class is $200-$250K.

I have just re-classified myself as “working poor.”

need a new thread?

HRC needs to stop talking about her “husband’s admin”. Like we all forgot her last name or something!

That’s it! I couldn’t figure out why I was hearing so much of Gibson… HE is ebating Obama.

I’m sorry about my misleading post!

Crikey. I really did see the headline, but it’s disappeared into the ether.

Sorry, sorry. Really bad.

Gibson is showing his economic ignorance. Now this ass is an economic expert telling the candidate what a tax is.

The payroll tax is not a tax, it is a social insurance premium, and if you do not understand that, you do not know squat about the economics behind SS.

Now Gibson is beginning to argue and contradict the candidates, and Gibson is AN IDIOT!

Seriously, needs to be an orgnaized fuss.

Gibson is becomming actively hostile to the candidates. Fire him.

Are the moderators supposed to argue with the candidates?

Only when they refuse to give Republican-esque answers. At that point, it’s *on* baby…

I think I’m now dirt poor by that standard.

MyDD link to AFL-CIO endorsement story produces error message, i.e., story not available. Hmmm.

I’m not even sure where I rank … maybe I should consider food stamps

Jeebus, why doesn’t Gibson just call it the “democrat debate” and get it over with. what a GoOPer

Yep, apparent from the outset …

he is shamefull

Interesting how concerned Gibson is with the very poor oppressed folks earning 100-200 grand.

Oh hell, tax the crap out of the wealthy. I’m so sick of whining wealthy people.

Then you must be as bitter as I am!

I’ve never understood why we didn’t lift the cap on ss … it’s just so bloody sensible and fair.

Well, I guess “working dirt poor” works even better for me too!

Worse even than Timmy. Is that possible? Judging by tonight? Yes.

Did he say that 200-250,000 was the range of middle class or the high end of middle class?

Okay, we have yet another debate thread.

I’m pretending it’s because there are too many comments on this one, but really I just like seeing my name up on the front page over and over again. W00t!!!

Gibson asserts that deregulated “Bubbles” generate more revenue…but ignores that this is because the taxes are getting the menudo off of the steaks being cut off the flanks of working people. All that credit theft, mortgage rate theft, etc.

Paying taxes on Ponzi schemes where banks and hedgefunds bet on the bubble with $30 of borrowed money to every $1 dollar of collateral they have is what caused the Fed to bail out the hedge fund Long Term Capital Managment, then we had the tech bubble and now the housing bubble.

You and me both… for sure.

I mean either way, I’m the working poor too, by comparison, but just curious.

The SS “tax” is only a tax in the minds of the FDR-hating republicans who still can’t get over the success of the new deal

I have retired early and I have less money than Obama claims a middleclass person makes in a year.

wrong verb…..

What grinds me is that neither had the guts to tell Steffy, “George, do you have a crystal ball? Do you kow what the economy will be like in January of 2008 or 09 or after that? What kind of moron, George, would answer a dumb-assed question like that?”

OK, maybe take out the dumb-ass part.

Cheers

It’s ABC News that should be hearing our complaints. Write them, e-mail them, call and complain. Better still, just don’t tune in to World News Tonight. I didn’t think it was possible to out-do Timmy and Chris, but Gibson & Co. have exceeded all my lowest expectations. This man is an idiot.

Yeah, I – or Yahoo – screwed up. Perplexed.

Oh wait. You mean MyDD also had the story but it HAS in fact disappeared?

Good to know I’m wasn’t seeing things, at least!

To repeat: The country is at war, the country is in a deep recession, and all Gibson & Co. want to talk about are these hot-button GOP talking points: A minute ago it was guns. Now we’re on to affirmative action. You can’t tell me this isn’t deliberate And, in the larger perspective, it’s bullshit.

They both need not ever moderate a debate or a newscast ever again.

The candidates should have come out and announced that they have a joint suggestion: that they have a real debate w/o the designated questioners. Then bring out their own debate moderator and have a real damn debate. When will the candidates start treating the audience / voters like sentient beings and stop the charade?

The campaign is too long, too expensive and it is boring. Endless analysis of trivial things.

The candidates should do something about this state of affairs. The networks never will.

I realize no one is going to agree with this because of the preponderance of Obama supporters on this thread (I can’t believe anyone thought he did well tonight) but I happen to think that the San Francisco comments were fair game for a question. Obama’s supporters seem to think that once they’ve explained what he really meant, his original comments become inoperative, and are no longer up for discussion. Sorry, but politicians don’t get to decree that people can only talk about what they “meant,” not what they actually said. I won’t rehash all of the back and forth on the comments, but they fundamentally go to what a Presidential candidate thinks are the issues that are important to voters, and what motivates them to vote. How is that not a relevant discussion? Just because he manages to come up with a half-assed explanation doesn’t mean it’s off the table as a topic of discussion.

As for Rev. Wright, this is the first debate since the controversy. Obama was asked the questions many people were asking, but that the press ignored in their efforts to outdo each other in praising his “historic” speech. I’m sure every candidate would like it if they could only deal with controversy by making prepared speeches in controlled settings. I don’t happen to think Obama has been entirely honest with the Wright thing, and I’m glad he was asked about it.

It’s not fun watching your candidate get the Hillary treatment from the media, is it? Welcome to the club.