Comments on: Debate Thread 33 1/3

By: cinnamonape

cinnamonape — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:46:29 +0000

You didn’t answer the question…Juno.

“How many times did she attack the ostensible Republican nominee tonight? How many times did she attack Obama tonight by agreeing with the so-called “moderators” that Wright, Ayers, religion and guns, were the issues that the American people are REALLY going to be concerned with?”

Some of us want to select the best nominee by what they will present against the Republican candidate…and what they feel are the important issues.

By: TheLurkingMod

TheLurkingMod — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:38:51 +0000

Can we insult her coverage and not her appearance?

By: rwcole

rwcole — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:36:14 +0000

I don’t care which dem candidate wins- as long as I never have to hear from either of them ever again.

By: rwcole

rwcole — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:34:35 +0000

I was at some neighbors for dinner so missed the debate but watched some coverage on CNN- Fat Candy Crowley and friends were savaging both dem candidates. Does McBush OWN CNN?

Pathetic.

By: Juno

Juno — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:42:38 +0000

I think it’s inevitable in a campaign. I also think to put it on ONE candidate is not right and very arrogant. I also think there is a lot of intellectual dishonesty right now and that does a lot of damage.

I think to say that “The party is being hurt by Clintonistas, so please, Clintonistas, give us the nomination and go away so the party isn’t hurt” is pretty arrogant and a cheap way to win a nomination.

Fact is, if the Democratic party can’t beat Republicans this year, even with a tight and drawn out primary, they don’t deserve to win ever again. Nothing is more disturbing than to see that polls indicate a tight General election. But to put that on Clinton is not right. As I said, neither Clinton nor Obama will get the 2025 delgates necessary. IF it’s the Obama camp that is so concerned about the health of the Democratic party, he can step down, which is HIS side’s resolution. She’s got enough votes and delegates to make it legit. But the Obama concern for the party seems to dwindle when this is suggested.

I’ve yammered to much and taken up too much space here tonight. I apologize.

Good night.

By: DeanOR

DeanOR — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:39:44 +0000

Thanks to all for watching it for me. While Gibson didn’t ask about torture, from comments it’s clear that he did illustrate the journalistic practice of it.
Hang in there. This is one of the few remaining spaces where Dems can still breathe the same air as other Dems.

By: DWBartoo

DWBartoo — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:33:33 +0000

Juno, Let me try, just one more time.

The ill-will we are all feeling is the result of our individual behavior, which, collectively, suggests that we are really not listening to each other and not hearing our own arrogance, ignorance and hubris.

We are taking ourselves far too seriously, and harming gravely the accord we must needs have.

This is what I am asking you to respond to.

Do you have any thoughts about what I have just said?

By: Juno

Juno — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:31:12 +0000

I mean it to be perjorative. I don’t think it’s a postitive quality within that campaign, and it worries me. I think it leads to big problems. It’s not the support of Obama that I think is cult-like. It’s the double standards and the fierce resistance that any challenge or criticism of him is met with as well as the seeming unspoken rule that Clinton must never, ever be spoken of postively and a lot of hubris.

By: Juno

Juno — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:26:51 +0000

Yeah, that’s it.

By: RevBev

RevBev — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:26:00 +0000

hatred for Obama” which is absurd, etc. Yet Obama supporters HAVE adopted the “never say anything kind about the opponent” Repub thing, so I think they have a lot of nerve accusing someone of having a “blind hatred” for Obama simipy by virtue of the fact that they support Clinton at the mome

I think that is such an exaggeration. Yes, like JFK, he has generated alot of excitement, the possibility of a new vision, new generation, etc. That does not = a cult. Many of the same folks also have reservations about his newness or inexperience. The hyperbole of lumping any one who may be on his side, with whatever degree of enthusiasm, is really less than accurate and “cult” is generally perjorative. Maybe there is a different word to describe what you see; cult doesn’t seem accurate at all.