h/t pbo31
I have great sympathy for Christopher Edley, Dean of the Boalt Hall School of Law at the University of California, Berkeley. He didn't hire John Yoo -- he inherited him from a predecessor, and all the baggage that came along for the ride -- but he's the one who has to deal with the firestorm over Yoo's Torture memo. I have no doubt that the phones in the Dean's office have been ringing fairly regularly, the mailboxes (electronic and otherwise) have been filling fairly regularly, and the procession of complaints arriving by other means have been coming by fairly regularly as well.
To that end, Edley released a statement: The Torture Memos and Academic Freedom. Edley makes clear the general disdain for Yoo's memos, but says this all must be set aside under the rubric of academic freedom.
My sense is that the vast majority of legal academics with a view of the matter disagree with substantial portions of Professor Yoo’s analyses, including a great many of his colleagues at Berkeley. If, however, this strong consensus were enough to fire or sanction someone, then academic freedom would be meaningless.
. . . One can oppose and even condemn an idea, but I do not believe that in a university we can fearfully refuse to look at it. That would not be the best way to educate, nor a promising way to seek deeper understanding in a world of continual, strange revolutions.
The cry of "academic freedom" may cover a multitude of sins, but it doesn't cover everything -- as the Dean well knows. At the end, he says this:
Assuming one believes as I do that Professor Yoo offered bad ideas and even worse advice during his government service, that judgment alone would not warrant dismissal or even a potentially chilling inquiry. As a legal matter, the test here is the relevant excerpt from the "General University Policy Regarding Academic Appointees," adopted for the 10-campus University of California by both the system-wide Academic Senate and the Board of Regents:
Types of unacceptable conduct: … Commission of a criminal act which has led to conviction in a court of law and which clearly demonstrates unfitness to continue as a member of the faculty. [Academic Personnel Manual sec. 015]
This very restrictive standard is binding on me as dean, but I will put aside that shield and state my independent and personal view of the matter. I believe the crucial questions in view of our university mission are these: Was there clear professional misconduct—that is, some breach of the professional ethics applicable to a government attorney—material to Professor Yoo’s academic position? Did the writing of the memoranda, and his related conduct, violate a criminal or comparable statute?
Absent very substantial evidence on these questions, no university worthy of distinction should even contemplate dismissing a faculty member.
Oh, but Dean Edley, that may be a relevant excerpt, but it's hardly the only relevant passage. There are a lot of reasons short of the commission of and conviction for a criminal act that warrant the dismissal of a faculty member. Just ask Ward Churchill or Luk Van Parijs. That Academic Personnel Manual section 015 [pdf]that you cite is a well-written document, and it lists many more reasons for removing a faculty member than conviction of a crime. (Other sections add even more -- it's a big manual [html with pdf links].)
To borrow the language of my academic discipline, the mortal sins in academia -- at any school, in any discipline, for any faculty member of any rank -- are these:
- plagiarism-- passing off the work of others as your own
- misrepresentation in citations - citing other works, but misstating their actual contents
- selectiveness of citations - omitting any discussion of works that conflict with one's own views
- failure to disclose conflicts of interest
- fabrication - inventing data, fictitious books and articles, elements of one's CV, etc.
- improper use of human subjects in research - failure to follow institutional protocols, lack of informed consent, etc.
- misconduct in professional relationships - using the power of one's position to improperly force subordinates to do things against their will
These are the kinds of things that get people booted every year from tenured teaching positions, and they have nothing to do with controversial views. Judging from some of the commentary by looseheadprop, the legal eagles at Emptywheel's place, and other scholars of the law in both the posts and the comments around the legal blogosphere, these are the kinds of things that Professor Yoo ought to be worried about:
In addition, the fact that Yoo's memo was classified -- for no reason related to national security -- seems to indicate a keen desire to avoid having this memo go through any kind of rigorous peer review. That's hardly the mentality one would expect of a scholar at a top-flight school like Boalt.
So, Dean Edley, the ball remains in your court (so to speak). Instead of worrying about "some breach of the professional ethics applicable to a government attorney," how about worrying about Yoo's evident breaches of academic standards that are applicable to a academic professor?
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zed and thanks for reading my mind. I really wanted a post on this.
Yoo and Bizerkley… oil and water. I guess that’s the price for “diversity”?
Super post!!! Bingo.
Wouldn’t these reasons apply to Henry Kissenger also?
I don’t get how its about “academic freedom” when it applies to something he did, and presumably concealed from the hiring committee, before he was tenured. Its one thing to use tenure to advocate for difficult ideas, or to argue that your difficult ideas don’t affect your work (like a physicist who also believes in creationism) but Yoo’s previous work is, itself, a crime. Its not the ideas that he expressed but that he put into motion that are at issue. Its not a free speech question at all.
aimai
No, it was after.
Yoo was hired in 1993, granted tenure in 1999, and then took a leave of absence when he went to work for the Bush DOJ after the elections of 2000.
Edley became dean only in the last couple of years, and Yoo — with tenure — was already on the faculty at the time.
I went back and read. Great post. thank you so much.
Academic freedom, my irish ass!! I am fricking outraged that the Dean would choose this position. I’m not donating another dime to my alma mater, ever! This poseur cut and paste anything that would build his case and doesn’t even seem to care that we are a democratic republic not a fricking imperialist nation. or supposed to be.
The retaliation and persecution of Diaz is an abomination.
BTW, I went and checked out his books on Amazon to see what the comments would be and there are indeed “academic” wingnuts shouting down negative reviews. What gives? When did I sign up for fascism?
Also, Berkeley isn’t automatically the bastion of the free speech movement. It draws as many conservatives as it does liberals. believe it or not. perhaps that is one reason why Yoo has survived thus far.
Gawd, I can’t stand it! /rant
Yoo advocated breaking our laws and the Geneva Conventions and set it in motion. Is that not a crime?
Isn’t planning to rob a bank a crime - a conspiracy?
Aw, later for this noise. Yoo’s a conservative Republican - hasn’t anyone seen him doing something odd, disgusting and illegal that involves sex?
I had found the dean’s argument weak but couldn’t begin to articulate what it was that was so flimsy. Thanks, Peterr, you articulated it well. I’m with Jofish, but can’t we get some diversity that didn’t spit on the constitution?
If you know someone has the intention to commit murder, and you write an opinion showing the murderer how to get away with it, knowing that your opinion will be relied on to get the murderer off, if caught….
Well….what’s the difference?
You all probably caught this already. My attendance at the lake has been spotty. But for those who missed it, read Scott Horton’s Tale of Three Lawyers, from Harper’s.
The Boalt Hall home page has an item up right now near the bottom under “More News” that looks interesting: Dean Edley Hosts Open Forum Meeting with Students (audio). The link, however, is restricted to students and alums with CalNet IDs.
If there are any current UCB students or UCB alums out there with CalNetIDs, I’d appreciate it if you could go give it a listen, and let the rest of us hear what transpired.
Two words:
moral turpitude
Oh hey, that’s one of the links in the above posts. Slinking away now. ugh.
With the glory of 20-20 hindsight, I can suggest that Berkley’s big mistake was granting him a leave of abscence rather than making him quit to go to DOJ. Gee, if they knew then what they know now,…..?
Diversity and academic integrity are not mutually exclusive.
Crap. I don’t have a calnet ID. otherwise I’d qualify. I’ll look into later today since I have to fly to an appointment now. many apologies.
Thanks again for the post Peterr.
Not to mention, what hiring committee at a prestigious Law School would consider hiring someone who posited that the 4th Amendment is inapplicable when dealing with, how did he put it, “…our Office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations.”?
No Law School outside of perhaps Regent University would want a faculty member whose demonstrated lack of understanding of the constitution on its faculty much less teaching anything about it. Oh, and look what he’s “won” as a professor.
(From his UCB Bio, my emphasis).
Once you win the Bator Award, does that make you a Master?
O/T But i had to share the ridiculousness that is the right wing.
The article is called, Obama’s Other Jeremiah Wrights and talks about (via TPM) Barack Obama’s “complicity with rappers dates back to at least 2006.”
I’m so beside myself right now, all I can do is look over at self and nod
*sigh* true
I have some other kinds of questions:
* What kind of students, and how many of them, are signing up for Yoo’s classes?
* Are any of his classes “required”? If so, why?
* If Yoo offers a course, and no one signs up, what then? Does he get paid for it anyway?
* Are there departmental standards for how many students must enroll in order for a professor to get credit for teaching it?
Many places I’ve been will pull any course that doesn’t draw enough students. If the administration sees that students are boycotting his classes, they’ll start looking for reasons to fire him.
Bob in HI
I’d hate to be the next prof to walk into Edley’s office and ask for a leave of absence.
Edley might also be kicking himself a bit for the questions he didn’t ask when he was interviewing for the dean’s position in 2003 or 2004.
Think how bizarre it would be if it said:
Hillary Clinton’s “complicity with rappers dates back to at least 2006.”
John McCain’s “complicity with rappers dates back to at least 2006.”
“…what hiring committee at a prestigious Law School would consider hiring someone who posited that the 4th Amendment is inapplicable when dealing with, how did he put it, “…our Office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations.”?
No Law School outside of perhaps Regent University would want a faculty member whose demonstrated lack of understanding of the constitution on its faculty much less teaching anything about it…”
__________
Ding, ding, ding.
Yoo MoFo.
Heh, I think these two offenses were clearly evident in Yoo’s Torture memo…
Where was the Youngstown cite or discussion…?
Which will just get him onto the Wingnut Welfare rolls that much faster. Or, if McVain wins, a Supreme Court Nominee.
What does “complicity with rappers” mean? I don’t listen to rap but if I did would I be complicite? Makes no sense to me.
How do you think Edley will act if Yoo is indicted for war crimes, or anyone using his “legal” opinion as law is indicted? Yoo is advocating the breaking of laws, federal, state and international. This is rather different than free speech, no?
The right wing echo chamber was relentless in calling for the dismissal of Ward Churchill. They picked and picked at loose threads; they screamed at the top of their lungs until they finally got him out.
Yoo has committed far greater sins than those of Ward Churchill.
Obviously, it means that you’re gangsta… jeez, didn’t you know that? So simple even a caveman could figure it out. LOL.
Perhaps Edley is afraid of what might happen to him or his family…you never know…after all he’s dealing with torture advocates in the most powerful positions in the world.
Wingnut Welfare ain’t what it used to be, at least for BushCo lawyers. AGAG is having a heckuva time finding a real job these days.
Stories like that can’t be happy reading for John Yoo.
It’s neither Yoo’s speech nor his views that are grounds for firing: it’s his behavior. It defies the clear expectations of the academy and also brings disrepute upon his employer.
Edley must fire Yoo now.
It’s the lyrics that rappers use in their songs and that he (barack) is an apologist when it comes to these ‘foul’ lyrics. Now stay with me….because so many of these foul mouthed folks back Barack (including wii.i.am) he is complicit in the message that they are spreading through their lyrics.
I have been waiting for this post all day. Thank you Peterr. Building the case, and the momentum to help the Dean do the right thing, is soooo important.
I suspect that the Dean believes that since Yoo has already done som very much damage, that Yoo shuld not also be means for eroding academic freedom, and while I am sensitive to that concern, I believe that just like PAtFitz’s careful nuanced and surgical used of compelled tesitmony from reporters, a careful nuanced and surgical use of academic (and Bar) discipline couldbe undertaken in the case of Yoo.
He is, in some ways, analgous to Judy Miller. Both betrayed the ethics of their profession. Both knowingly peddled false information expecting an unsuspecting public to believe it based upon the prestige of the nstitutions they worked for. Both are willing to damage the prestige of their host institution b yinducing that institution to put it;s credibility on the line by misciting some very noble, but actually inapplicable, virtue in defense of their indefensibale conduct.
Just as a reporter sheild law would not have prevented the compelled testimony of Judy Miller, so her cries of being a free speech martyr were comletely bogus, so too is the free speech defense of John Yoo.
Nobody, not even me is denying Yoo’s right to go out into the street and proclaim his r=deranged theories, jsut not to lie about the cases he is citing in support of them and not ommit the cases that demonstrate how bogus his cockamamey theories are.
We need John Yoo as Judy Miller graphic, we really do.
To the Dean, don’t be as big a fool as Punch, don’t humilate yourself and your school that way.
The article and the argument the author ( I use the term loosely) are bizarre. The comments? yeah they’re out there too
Speaking of which, Card and Rove are having some difficulties at speaking engagements…! ;-)
Actually, I think Edley has a point to a certain extent. Broadly speaking, he’s saying “Look, I’m a dean, not the Head of the International Criminal Court. You want to convict him of war crimes, fine — but don’t bring that trial to Berkeley. Bring it to the folks at The Hague.”
What he doesn’t address, however, are the academic sins that seem to permeate Yoo’s torture memo. These are precisely the kind of things that a dean ought to be concerned about.
What a bunch of hooey! Economy down the tubes, our kids dying in a stupid war, poor health care etc and these yahoos are worried about rap lyrics. They should get a life and shut up. Maybe I am a gangsta - as JoFish says. Or gangsta-ette.
Lawyers from Boalt, as well as all other institutions, must also shun Yoo.
Jesse Choper, William Kelley and Susan Estrich, I’m looking at you.
True, Abu went so far over the top that no one wants to be associated with him. I hope he’s saved up enough money to live on post-Bush.
Not sure where the vaunted “bush loyalty” to subordinates is with respect to Abu G. but I have to figure that perhaps when he “cools down”, and barring any convictions/disbarrment post Jan 20, 2009 he’ll be drawing a nice little stipend from CheneyBurton or Carlyle or someone as a do-nothing “board” member, a position for which he is perfectly (and by profession) suited for.
I am such a freakin’ nerd. I was just about to Google Bator award… and then it hot me. LOL
Wingnut welfare isn’t working very well for Abu right now. What makes us think it will work for Yoohoo?
YES!!
Of course, when you consider the role of David Addington in both the Libby mess and the Yoo memo, it’s not surprising to see the same method of operation being employed by the OVP.
O/T the Hardball College Tour with Crazy train is on. Hmm interesting crowd..it’s like a sea of vanilla pudding
Thanks for this post, Peterr. You’ve taken Yoo right where he belongs.
Dean Edley must act.
Don’t forget Joanie Caucus Redfern on that list.
No outrage on Yoo’s words that have killed countless but it wasn’t pressed onto a CD and his pants aren’t baggy so he isn’t a menace to society at all. Rassholes
There is this, in the preamble to Part II of the section 015 document:
Emphasis added.
The consequences of the legal opinions he rendered were torture and the commission of war crimes. It is quite likely, as many have discussed, that he was asked, in drafting the memo, to justify the torture and on Friday Bush made a point of referring to the legal opinions he got justifying the torture. It seems to me that this is enough and is what differentiates his case from a “simple” academic freedom case in which he was merely advocating repugnant ideas. He knew exactly how the memo would be used and wrote it anyway.
I have no clue how Berkely does it, but when I was teaching if you were an adjunct faculty and not enough people signed up for your class, it got cancleed and you didn’t get paid. Like being a temp.
If you were full time faculty and not enough students signed up fo ryour course , it got cancelled bt you still got pad your base salery. It would nt effect your bottom line unless it was an “extra” course about your required courseload, in which case you might lose your bonus pay.
The hard sciences are so much easier. I would equate this to the Dean of a physics department having to answer for a resident professor who published a series of papers in effect arguing that the rules of gravity no longer apply so humans can fly if they wish.
Well, as Douglas Adams wrote, the trick to flying is throwing yourself at the ground and missing. The only reason I bring this up is because both Adams and Yoo wrote fiction.
But what do you do when a member of your academic body argues directly against the very principles of your department. If you had to hold up Yoo as an expert on Constitutional Principle, you’d be a laughingstock and it sound like Mr. Edley knows it full well.
I guess you have no problem with Georgetown University hiring George Tenet. What rule of conduct at Berkeley has Yoo allegedly violated? What rule of professional conduct has Yoo violated? What law of any state or nation has Yoo violated?
BTW, according to the course listings for the Spring 2008 Term, Yoo is teaching 220S - Constitutional Law: Structural Issues, and next fall he will be teaching 220S again, 226.2 - Foreign Relations Law, and team teaching 223.8 - California Constitutional Law
He will not.
The Students at Berkeley need to have themselves a good old Mario Savio type rally. That’s when things got done.
Exactly.
Was he asked to find out if torture was legal or illegal, or was he asked to find a way to get around what he already knew was illegal? It seems pretty obvious with how it was written, that it was the latter. They needed a document that said what they wanted it to say. Addington or any of the others could have written such a memo, but they chose Yoo as a patsy, so that if they were caught, they could say it’s his fault, because he gave us the wrong opinion.
I’m a bitter gangsta.
Great piece, Peterr.
I have to respectfully disagree, I think you are just a tad off the mark
The Physics professer can argue that the effects of gravity no longer apply, so long as he does not lie about what his citations say, or engage in selective citation omitting those authorities that demolish his argument.
teaching constitutional law? wow.just.wow
Great post, Peterr.
Many ‘professions’ find themselves in low repute, the legal profession, the medical profession, the psychological (heh,heh) profession, and then there are bankers, wall streeters, realtors and so on … a cast of thousands, but some, such as ‘lawyers’ Yoo Addington and Gonzo, are simply glowing with slime … the most nasty and meanest, the true ‘elite’, as it were.
Why should a University dean not enjoy some spotlight?
‘Academic Freedom’? I think not.
Such an excuse, for that is all that it is, in this case, is but several rungs below that last refuge of scoundrels and prominent scoff-laws …
The stain, spreading, tests the mettle and morality of all whom it touches, and vitually everything hangs … in the balance.
Will the dean blink, pontificate, squirm and equivocate?
Or, will he rise to the most serious test of his life.
Ho hum. What would be the ’safest’ most profitable thing for him to do?
What does our current social ethic suggest?
How highly do universities wish to be held, or are they become but ’safe houses’ for intellectual (haw!) miscreants? Of a certain ‘persuasion’.
Not so much a law as a commandment:
Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.
As a constitutional lawyer, I guess I’d expect his interpretations to be factual rather than so blatantly false.
But what the hey, it’s not like the ten commandments are laws, any more than the Constitution…anymore.
Did you read the post? Misrepresentation of source materials and improper selectivity in his citations are two of the biggest violations of the codes governing all faculty members, and Yoo appears to have done both of them. Repeatedly.
I’m not saying to ignore the content of Yoo’s memo on torture, or to give other BushCo alumni a pass. I am saying, however, that if you want to put pressure on a dean to take action against a faculty member, it is a helluva lot easier for a dean to act based on academic misconduct than on an un-adjudicated charge of war crimes.
I love Edley’s “chilling effect” canard.
Way more chilling than the prospect of a president being able to have citizens surveilled, disappeared, and tortured at will without recourse, I guess. Things that Yoo advocated.
That little bit of analysis is exactly what needs to be IMHO the crux of any argument for kicking Yoo from classroom to curb to Court.
His work was used to justify torture, and he used his “talents” to write an opinion that was not good enough to stand up to impartial analysis, but worked just fine for “high government officials” who wanted legal “cover” for their actions. His willingness to put his name on a document that was unnecessarily classified only makes him look more the fool and more deeply complicit in subverting my Constitutional rights (because yes, I enjoy 4th amendment protections every day).
Fortunately for Yoo, any court he ever goes before will still be bound by the “quaint” strictures of the US Constitution. Something which might make him breathe a sigh of relief, although he probably doesn’t deserve it.
I’m not sure if I understood you correctly.
FWIW, Chemists caved in on bisphenol A, a cancer causing agent in plastics
EPA drops ball on danger of chemicals to children
Agency oversight panel out of money and, critics say, beholden to industry
A variety of disciplines conspired wrt Merck’s Vioxx
Researchers charge Merck misrepresented Vioxx data
IMO, it’s about the dollars.
Good point, in other words as long as you don’t believe your lying eyes, a physics prof can tell you up is down, and as long as he doesn’t give any contrary source–like reality!
Oh, you mean the politics of science are up for grabs? Well there’s no doubt of that. Just look at the science (or lack there of) with the recent rise in autism throughout the population.
It seems to me that Edley’s response to Yoo’s actions run rather parallel to Yoo’s actions. A desired result was determined before the response/opinion was crafted. The response from Edley was written in a way that punts the issue on to others (mainly the courts, Bar, etc) to decide in the name of academic freedom. Yoo’s atrocity was written in a way to justify the desired result by the administration.
Both of them are rather bogus in intent and in product.
O/T Hardball College Tour
The tough questions just keep rolling in. From a young man:
Are you a typical white person?
Good question. If anyone at Boalt is reading here, wazzup with Yoo’s classes?
Yoo is Professor of Constitutional Law. This Spring he’s teaching 220D (Constitutional Law, Development) and 220S (Constitutional Law, Structural Issues). At least one course in Constitutional Law is required for graduation, but Yoo isn’t the only person teaching ConLaw at Boalt.
Probably. On the other hand, there are 3 ConLaw courses offered this term, and Yoo’s teaching one of them and team teaching the other (development). All of them appear to meet the ConLaw requirement. On the other hand, enrollment is probably capped in those courses, so enough students will be shunted into Yoo’s courses to keep them viable.
There are always minimum enrollment requirements. What will save Yoo’s sorry hide is the fact the he’s teaching in one of the few required classes. Like most law schools, the first year curriculum is pretty prescribed, but there aren’t a lot of requirements beyond that. Yoo’s teaching in one of the two required areas. The idea that Yoo is teaching future lawyers Constitutional Law is horrifying, but I guess that’s better than having him teaching the other required area, which is Ethics and Professional Responsibility.
I wonder if Yoo’s required text for his ConLaw:Structure course is
?
glad you’re watching so I don’t have to.
I have postulated before that the McVain nomination was (at the time) a placeholder for the republicans in an election-year that they really did not expect to win anyhow. “Let McCain have his shot, and good riddance to him” was probably an accurate summary of the last 2007 RNC executive strategery session.
Now with HRC tearing up Obama daily over nothing, and Obama responding, the republicans are probably just sitting back, collecting sound bites and creating gigbytes of YouTube-based smears for the fall. I notice that McVain is raising money, so someone must think he’s got a snowball’s chance.
OT
Interesting numbers via TPM:
it’s not easy. There are a large amount of well lets just call them a bit removed from college aged folks there. So far, I am underwhelmed
Two of my least favorite people in the public sphere. Why am I watching??
I wasn’t too familiar with his numbers from last week so has there been any movement?
IT is not merely the Constitution which Yoo has trampled, it is the underlying principles of morality upon which civilization, such as it is, MUST rely for SURVIVAL.
If this is not evident and clear to Congress, to university deans, to judges at all levels and to the ‘people’ - then we are lost, completely and totally.
I keep asking myself that too but yet I’m still watching and gagging
The lesser of two evils, indeed.
Problems may arise, however, if the students all push to avoid Yoo, just the stink of having to push so many into Yoo’s sections will create yet another nightmare for the dean’s office.
In other situations, I’ve seen an uproar like that drive a dean to request that the unloved prof step aside and a new prof to take the required course.
Good to see you, BC!
Not much. Most of the polls are kind of frozen which can mean several things. A) the Bitter flap hasn’t cost him in points B) the Bitter flap stopped his MO C) people are sick and tired of it all already.
Personally I vote for C.
McCain being asked given Obama’s background (no breaks, father left, lived in 3rd world country- Indonesia) why he thinks Obama is elitist
You had better be a whole lot more specific if you are going to go after someone’s job which you are doing. Your demands and the basis thereof border on platitudes and selective prosecution of the worst order.
Why do you ignore George Tenet?
He just said that Obama signed the piece of paper that said that if the Republican nominee takes the Federal funding, so would he.
Did Obama sign it or just say it?? Fact checking.
We are talking about Yoo today. The brief against Tenet, and that against Feith, and that against Kissinger, is equally valid. But today’s discussion is about Yoo.
answer:
i don’t know, i don’t know what shapes his views, I don’t know what would cause someone to say something like that (referring to Obama’s bitter remarks). Frankly, those thoughts have never been in my head. (cut off by tweety)
Hmm I call bullshit
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wow ! who knew ?
Exxxxcellent PeterR!
can not shake the words of one of his students -
his work did not promulgate ideas
his work promulgated actions
OT-Rumsfeld to pen his Memoirs…
He filled out a questionaire about two candidates (when they are the nominee) agreeing to some sort of public financing but he himself never signed an agreement.
baffle them with bullshit
If you want specifics, check the links in the post. That’s why they’re there. LHP, EW, and others have done a very good job of illustrating the academic misconduct — and I’m pointing out that the job of the dean is to deal with academic misconduct.
As for ignoring George Tenet . . .
As they say in academia, “that subject, while interesting, is outside the scope of this particular study.” I haven’t read his stuff, haven’t seen it dissected, and haven’t given it the kind of attention it would need before addressing it. In other words, I’m just looking at one case right now, and Yoo is it.
I wouldn’t want to get accused of mouthing platitudes and selective prosecution or anything.
If George Tenet wrote a document that proposed and allowed torture, eliminating civil rights, and generally thumbed it’s nose at the Constitution and had the expertise accorded a full professor of Law, you’d probably be seeing the same discussion about Tenet.
Tenet, while a vile player was essentially a policy wonk who made bad/implemented policy and excercised poor judgement, which is (unfortunately or depending on your POV, fortunately) not necessarily a crime. Many bureaucrats with piss-poor records of achievement have gone on to Academia…Tenet is just one more in that inauspicious line.
Yoo is a horse of a different color, IMHO.
I’m not tired of the bitters yet. They say it’s good for digestion.
Seriously though, the deal really isn’t hurting Obama. He’s basically spoke the truth about small town America–if you haven’t been to a small town lately or have relatives who live in one, let me bear witness for you–and there’s no doubt that they are upset, bitter, and more inclined to be influence by things they understand: God, guns and fear of brown folk.
That’s not elitist it’s just kind of true. Now he could have said it better and he has, but trying to make the flap about a African American guy with a single white mother from Kansas being elite; well even the bitter folks are laughing at that!
I’d say let it roll. If this is all they’ve got to tear him down then he can move on to talk about real issues in the vacuum that this lack of logic leaves behind.
Could it be that no advance was offered and this is way of looking magnanimous?
Then that needs to go into the McBitter bullcrap file.
I’ve got to run to a soccer match — The Kid is anxious to get playing again, now that the snow and rain has disappeared. I’ll check back later to see what happens next.
Ok fine, Yoo was on a leave of absence when he wrote the specious memos. Does that make any difference? Maybe not, but selective citation or miscitation in a government memo for his client, the government should be regulated by Berkeley? I would much prefer to hold Yoo accountable for what he did in the court of public opinion than to chill opinion through firing someone without any specific charges as to what rules, regulations or laws were violated. This all sounds like it could be coming from McCarthy with the same generalized demands based on different facts.
LOL
Probably end up on the sale table anyway.
“I don’t listen to rap but if I did would I be complicite?”
Not as long as ya kept your clothes on.