Jane Hamsher. Patriot.

David, thanks for putting this up.

Does he stand a chance against her?! The public wants to know so I guess it is time to watch the video!

Go Jane!

Jack Goldsmith on TDS having quite a conversation on torture. You know, the conversation that the real news shows are avoiding! Yes, this is a spoiler. Not telling you the actual lines that are, of course, priceless, just really really pissed that the “real” news media somehow does not understand that it’s their business to report, uh, the news! about torture! being planned by the highest executive officers in the nation!

This is Making me Crazy!!!!!

nice to see jane bring up to the redstate guy that are we in any position to be getting on china for human rights violations since our president casually admitted he approved we do it too.

Jane looks fabulous.

Goldsmith has been waffling up to this point. Stewart let it stand that the pres must protect the Merkun people. Not true. Pres must uphold the constitution.

Ha Ha!

Gavin Newsom got concessions from the ChiComms — can’t Bush do the same?

Jane TV! I love it!

I’ll have to watch the whole video tomorrow; it’s getting late.

Erickson never stood a chance against Jane!!!
Digg it

The expression on Jane’s face when Erickson bleats: “I don’t really think waterboarding is torture….” !!

Goldsmith = another WH apologist trying to sell a tell-all book that tells very little.

dugg and thanks nahant

I would have to agree.

(*&^%!)

Goldsmith is now scared. Blehebleablah, etc..Nada, nothing, leave me alone, I know “nothing”….my name is Schultz…I know nothing…

Fagettaboutitt…not the same Goldsmith we knew before…..

Erickson bleats: “I don’t really think waterboarding is torture….”
___________

Maybe he’d like to demonstrate just how benign it actually is.

My pleasure Suz as usual!

Some of us won’t see Jon Stewart for another three hours, folks….

Dugg, nahant. Thanks.
Hey, Suz!

thanks deb – sounds like it’s worth the $1.99 to down load today’s show from itunes.

and some of us will have to wait until tomorrow to see it.

how’s everyone this evening?

Bitter.

;)

Wow, what happened to Goldsmith…..D’Oh…

actually I liked yesterday’s better. But can’t you see the clips on their web site? Check that out first.

Aloha, fellow Late nite pups! Jane looks awesome, as always…! *g*

yeah, but i haven’t watched the daily show since last year (at least). thought it would be fun – but like having a clue which one(s) to watch.

grab a number and get in line – there are a whole buncha folks ahead of ya :)

Hey Suz I am doing just fine… getting ready to fly out to Dallas are on Thursday to my newest member of the family… Presley Elizabeth…
How is the MOB doing?… do all the new duds fit and look the way you want to look for the big day?

Great post today CTuttle. I love your sarcasm.

dude’s got salad or something stuck between his front teeth.

…remains of the apple.

gentle reminder

comments that include fantasy descriptions of torture done to people will be moderated

non violence please

congrats, nahant. got pics and details? this your first grandbaby?

Are you referring to my “Smell the hypocrisy” one? I just posted it…! 8-)

Yes Ma’am! I’ll behave…

Only a true friend would tell him that. /s ;)

When I first read your comment I thought it was about Jane looks great.
Ha. Well, she does.
Guess I’ll go to the back of the line.

Hey pups…psst is Peterr still here?

Yup, just finished reading it.

Frontline: T. R. Reed’s ” Sick around the World”
Health insurance around the world.
Excellent.

gentle but bold

that’s our suzanne

I just couldn’t resist the urge to post on it, I swear they just about write themselves…! ;-)

fgs, I could only listen to four and a half minutes. “I don’t think waterboarding is torture” and then “there’s no permanent harm when we torture someone…” did anyone catch that slip of the tongue? Big raspberries here.

Everywhere else but here…!

*laughing* some have other b words to describe me teddy

Heh, that’s what got me in hot water…! ;-)

all I want to say is thanks

“there’s no permanent harm when we torture someone…”
_________

He, uh, could know this exactly how?

You know it! Very interesting and I’m sure one can see it on another PBS site. USA, Japan, Taiwan, Germany, England and Switzerland.

Michele Obama on Colbert!

No Suz she is number six, I will check my emails from daughter and send you a couple of pictures. But still Thanks I always to see the grandkids as all of them live at least a hundred miles or more away….

Because, if you follow Yoo’s tortured logic, anything short of organ failure isn’t torture…!

Jane’s expression after Erick says (re: Abu Ghraib) “See, I don’t think those were US sanctioned methods, I think those were renegade soldiers almost, having fun….” or words to that effect.
Jane has this look of amazed disbelief, and I couldn’t take listening to any more.

hey corey. welcome to the lake.

Redface goes on to discuss bible study – first his wife’s bible study, then more bible study follows with him included later. Seems waterboarding varies little from a friendly Baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit. Those Abu Ghraib soldiers were a few bad apples. Redstate insists that orders did not come from the top where irrefutable proof dictates otherwise.

Welcome!
Sit a spell.

Right, and this assclown has been privy to all of the secret video “enhanced interrogation” recordings, which serve as the basis for his conclusion.

Right.

These tightie-righties remind me so much of my grandfather’s Mens Bridge Club motto:

Often In Error, Never In Doubt

Their level of certainty about things where they have no claim to expertise is astonishing: military strategy and tactics, torture, women’s reproductive freedom, healthcare, anything where compassion or empathy are required….

denial is a powerful motivator and he does not want to admit that his position has been proved wrong

Lots o’ dudes got so much enhanced interrogation that it killed them.

“Seems waterboarding varies little from a friendly Baptism”
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Recall the esteemed late Molly Ivins:

“The problem with southern Baptists is that they don’t hold them under long enough.”

Yeah, but that was only true once the country decided that “No, it isn’t, and you can’t convince me otherwise” is a solid defense against the indefensible.

I was listening to this with 3 friends and we all reacted as you did at the same time.

Suz… you have mail!

Hi! Welcome, and join us.

Yeah.

Y’know I recently finished “On Being Certain: Believing You’re Right Even When You’re Not.”

Now, you take that stuff and triangulate it with books like “Change or Die,” and Nicholas Nassim Taleb’s stuff (he’s the “Fooled by Randomness” cat), and “How We Come To Know What Isn’t So” etc. and you come away with the feeling that this arrogant violence-by-proxy loving certitude gets cemented in at a very early age, and becomes nearly impossible to rectify, given its subcognitive neural wiring basis.

Good LARD!

Hi Corey!

Redstaters need to see the deaths in Iraq for a cure for their irrational beliefs. Liberals are already aware of (and we reject) the atrocities that are committed in our name.

Gah… It was a ‘Good War’!!! WTF?

They’re too busy.

jane blows my mind, and that takes a lot. i have been lucky, in my life i have known and know many people who are exceptional. i leave them out of my comments and just quote myself.

if i named them, you would say–wow, just wow.

but i have to say, jane shines over them, she is really sumpthin’. that’s why i stay here, even when i get as pissed as i got yesterday, i stay.

all that she has accomplished, all that she ’cooks’ in her brain and spits back out for us, meanwhile having a life, hopefully taking care of herself and pushing herself forward, focusing on what she wants next.

mindblowing. absolutely the finest example of a fine human being. my highest compliment, i tell my family and friends, that’s what i want to earn, on my grave, she was a fine human being, in my book there is no finer compliment.

i made mention of her fec filing on the diane rehm show today, but i had two opportunities to mention specifically firedoglake and didn’t cuz i got flustered. so, i’m glad that i got her name in there first, but totally pissed that i didn’t get her heart and soul project, firedoglake.com. in name out there more.

i recited on the show the long list of things that i learnedhere…..i’m not saying this for myself, i’m saying this so that someone else will take what they use here and call out people who are not being accurate, are not telling the truth, are not saying the facts.

write, call, do it.

i do it all of the time, but this is the first time i called nationally……..scared me to death.

i have no problem writing people who most wouldn’t dare, i find their damn emails, and sometimes they write back.

do it.

she(and other posters and commenters) is providing all of the information you need.

i tell our local call in audience–you each have something you are interested in, that you know about, if you each do it how many subjects does that cover? how many local, state, national legislators would that be?

how many different outlets of the media would that cover?

if just once a day when you heard something inaccurate your wrote or called?

the local yokels are now calling in for phone numbers and addresses. it’s become a regular thing.

and i don’t want to claim total credit, cuz i’m not the only one, but without this blog, i would never have had the information i needed to get them going.

many things have happened here lately that i won’t get into, but they have to do with local media and meetings with the governor.

NONE of them would have happened without fdl.

and i wrote that mostly for lurkers, not people who comment

I just saw this clip of a student asking John McCain about Hillary’s shot of whiskey. Did anyone else really worry about McCain’s response?

Heh, Jane had Erick reconsidering his views on McCain’s FEC problem… That was an awesome job by Jane, Brava!

A Real Man Takes Charge.

Kin anyone put this up on YouTube?
I just spent fifteen minutes of trying to watch it at .08 seconds every two minutes.
Jane’s kinda cute and all but I would like to see the whole damn thing before Midnight.

If not I’ll catch it tomorrow.
I have to see Mr. Redstate pick up the pieces of his ass before Kobe buries them.

Yah, too bad for him that legal precedent disagrees with him.

I doubt he’d have much sympathy if I declared “I really don’t think” that emptying out his house isn’t robbery, nor would the police. Contrary to what wingnuts may believe, whether something is a crime really isn’t up to your personal opinion.

busted, use this link tomorrow at work

its the bloggingheads site

I think it’s too long for youtube, it’s 42 minutes long…!

Good for you, dmac. You inspire me to write and send emails too. Maybe I’ll call into CSPAN when I am on vacation. Agree about how informational FDL is too.

Hey Busted what kind of link do you have to the net? I hope its not the dreaded dialup?

Jane you were fantastic. How refreshing to hear an actual conversation where people listen to each other, even agree sometimes, and get to the heart of the issue. More please.

Thats the one I was using.
I’ll just send my self a little reminder.
I can always use a good laugh in the morning.

Shouldn’t be as I have seen some classical tunes that were 67 minutes long!

I can’t watch it either. My computer must not like the clip.

get a new one :>)

It’s a money thing…

42 minutes would be a bit much fer my POS.
The woman has the patience of a Saint, the eyes of a Goddess, and the smarts to vivisect two hundred RightTards while blow drying her nails.

If one is intellectually incurious and he simply fixes his ideas around what he sees on teevee, hears on the radio, or listens to in church, there’s a good chance that he might be a redstater.

If American parents don’t teach their children otherwise, the default position is redstate. The Right Wingers have got the airwaves locked up. Most of the churches, too.

pups, BT’s earlier post about the most hated president is rising fast up the digg page and has almost 100 diggs. if you have not dugg it, please do. thanks

now 102

Thank you Suz!
Jump on it!

106!

I posted this in the previous thread in error. Sorry

Michelle Obama:

“They told us we couldn’t raise money. But they didn’t know that Barack was going to change the face of presidential fundraising forever. We wanted to reach out to regular folks, so we approached fundraising in a way that had never been done before. We knew that $23 is as important as $2300. And now we have more then 1 million individual people donating – we are making history.”

Actually, Howard Dean, and the people who have stood with him started this. In 2003 he called it the “Hundred Dollar Revolution.” We also started the “50 State Strategy” “Political Blogging” “Political Social Networking,” “Rapid Response,” “Grassroots out of state calling,”

I know we’re in the heat of the PA primary here, but the Obama movement is standing on the foundation laid by Deaniacs.

108 and going up go guys put this over the top

Hot shit Sharks won with the winning goal at 8.7 seconds left in the game….. GO SHARKS

112 with my digg!

Good Call. That’s the truth of the matter. Maybe Dean will let it stand, but Dean was the original net-savvy innovator, not Obama.

go loo hoo, all it takes is one subject, with one set of facts, hone in on it.

do it.

rotro I am seeing double 99’s HARD REFRESH WILL FIX THAT…lurkingmod

Hey now…

my digg just made 115

Steal your thunder, eh? ;-)

that was in response to Suzanne’s 92

Hi Corey, welcome.
Hi Suz and everyone.

Y’all be nice to the Mod’s now…

Busted like you never messed with the MODs :>)

Americans plea with an Iraqi unit to stay in Sadr City and fight.

The retreat left a crucial stretch of road on the front lines undefended for hours and led to a tense series of exchanges between American soldiers and about 50 Iraqi troops who were fleeing.

Capt. Logan Veath, a company commander in the 25th Infantry Division, pleaded with the Iraqi major who was leading his troops away from the Sadr City fight, urging him to return to the front.

*clears throat, bides time*

Jeez.
Standing up.
Hi Loo Hoo.

bobwan, welcome.;)
Amazing and nice to see someone react the right way, no? After all these years of seeing talking heads react so inappropriately to things that are very unAmerican: torture, cruel and unusual punishment, no habeas corpus, etc.

Heh heh heh,
Guilty as charged.

Now now though., the Mods is our friends. I have seen first hand what a rotten fucking mess it can be behind that curtain and the ALL have my absolute respect!

25th ID is from Schofield Barracks here in the Isles, it’s their 4th tour IIRC…! 8-(

absoufuckingloutely they help all of us when WE screw up our comment… Here one for the MODS

I still miss the edit function…! 8-(

Hi newtonusr!! Do you have an aka?

Appreciate that Newt’s screenname comes by way of the fact that he’s been an Apple freak for so long that he goes back to the Newtons.

Let me clarify my claim, I have never, ever been behind the curtain here. A very nice fella showed me how comment moderation works when I was tryin’ to start my own new site and it uses WordPress too.

want some cheese to go with that whine?

That’d be nice…! 8-P

What vintage?? Red or white!

Well, “Apple freak” will have to do for now, I guess :-)

Ouch.

well, it’s late night, so i am going to go out on a limb.
in this thread, following, i stated what i hope to see happens…..i was outta here last night, and tonight i posted what i feel happens and what can come from it.

my friends kid me about ’d—- predicts’, cuz i do that, what can happen…..it’s a sure thing in my book. i’ll be glad to put up on it.

each of us have our times when we post things and no comment, and an hour later it’s the big post.

this time i am posting because i want people to take a hold of what we do, what we make happen.

in my comments in paul’s last thread, i laid out what i think, i laid out what we can do to change things.
that all of the ’isms’ are a twig on the same tree.

let’s not let it be a ’strange fruit’ as billie holliday sang.

tomorrow when you all have a minute, go read it. cuz to me, it’s what matters. thanks.

i’m not always such a drag, i’m fun, really.

can’t help being an artist, can’t help being a math major, it’s quite the mind fuck.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/04…..over-time/

discriminate used to be a good word. it has been turned into a bad practice.

discriminate-to distinguish; to select from.
To make a distinction.
Having the difference marked; distinct,

discrimination-Discernment; judgement; distinction.

let’s turn these words back into what our forefathers used them as–

choices we make based on intellect and wisdom. (and experience, which is a form of wisdom)

Newt don’t get me started on that stolen GUI again… you know the truth :>)
Are you related to LISA???

Yeah, yeah… I’m a stooge of Satan.
blah, blah, blah

Naw but you might related to monsieur Gates

Bite thy tongue, nave!

yeah, what i’m doing is being presumtuous in telling people how the hell to get along…….

somebody had to.

now anything can work now that someone has spoken up.
now we all can gather in silent peace.

i’ll be in the lake.

aren’t the stars nice?

the water is nice, c’mon in.

nite.

(i love you all, sorry for being a pain in the ass, i had to, here’s a towel, warm, i was sitting on it)

I had that coming :>) but I just couldn’t resist

I don’t think Granny Smith would work.

Here are some kinds. Northern Spy might work.

“Macoun” for sure!

Jane, you’re so beautiful inside and out. :-)

WOW! This really is fabulous. More discussions. Jane you are a great interviewer. I can see the real future of political discourse, and it’s meaningful!

egregious is right, more please

Jane you were fantastic. How refreshing to hear an actual conversation where people listen to each other, even agree sometimes, and get to the heart of the issue. More please.

I got about four minutes into the discussion when Erickson said waterboarding is not torture. That’s as much as I could stand in one sitting. I’ll get back to it once the urge to vomit has passed.

oK, I appreciate the dialoguing and all. But redstate guy is horrifyingly stupid. China tortures and imprisons those they call separatists. The US tortures and imprisons those they call terrorists. If Chimpy simpy doesn’t go to China, I am not sure it is going to help matters for Tibet. China might go into a frenzy over its insulted sovereignty. Negotiation on the *genuinely* on the side of human rights might be more effective. I remember someone Chinese saying to me that he/she was afraid that the “war on Terra” would give the Chinese a nod and a wink to crush minorities etc.

This is what I feared: Protests> hardened nationalism and worse conditions for minorities, including Muslims.
From Asian Times. Note the language and how the War on Terra meme is echoed by the Chinese government. Redstater can thank his fine preznit partly for that.

On the contrary, Western protests, particularly over the Tibet issue, have only succeeded in angering the Chinese people, which has freed up the central government to take an even harder authoritarian line. Despite the protests, the leadership did not hesitate this month to jail human-rights activist Hu Jia for three years and half years.

Beijing also seems to be preparing for a crackdown in Xinjiang, an autonomous region in the remote northwest whose population is mostly Muslim. Last week, the Ministry of Public Security announced that police had broken up two terrorist cells in the region that were targeting the Olympic Games. While this may very well be true, ministry spokesman Wu Heping offered no evidence of the alleged plot, and it is certainly not beyond Chinese leaders to exaggerate the threat of terrorism to justify a crackdown on the restless Uyghur minority who live in the region.

State media have also labeled the Tibetan Youth Congress, which supports independence for Tibet, “a terrorist organization” and accused it – again, without evidence – of acts as horrific as cutting off the ears of its enemies and burning innocent people alive.

In addition, US house speaker Nancy Pelosi, one of China’s harshest critics in the West, has come under vitriolic attack. The Communist Party’s flagship newspaper, the People’s Daily, said Pelosi would be voted “the most disgusting figure” in any poll of the Chinese people.

No to be outdone, Xinhua added, undoubtedly with Pelosi’s support of the Dalai Lama (now on a two-week tour of the US) and the riotous Tibetan demonstrators in mind: “The Chinese people are fully justified to call her ‘a protector of mobsters, arsonists and murderers’.”

This is how China “caves in” to Western protests. The Olympic flame fiasco has only hardened China’s leaders in their conviction that there is a Western plot to humiliate the country in the leadup to the Olympics that is part of a broader conspiracy to prevent China’s rise on the world stage. And the Chinese people stand behind that conviction. Their rising tide of angry nationalism will last well beyond the Olympics. The dream that this summer’s Games would bring China and the West closer together has been shattered. As pressure builds on Western leaders to boycott the opening ceremony, resentment, distrust and misunderstanding are the rule.