Zed

ZED2

less than zed

BT’s digg for his worst president ever post just made most popular and added another 15 diggs in 2 minutes

Done dugg it for ya Suz

Heh, nahant got the Digg zed…!

Dang! Up to 175.

Suz, I love the harmonica. And I can play “Oh Suzanna”!
The only thing I can play, and it’s sorry. My girls howl!

Suzanne!
Tunes!

thanks for the diggs on bt’s post, pups. we wanna have it on the front page of digg for the east coaster types when they wake up :)

Love the mouth harp, Suz!

thanks, nahant

just hit 193 keep it going guys

Little Charlie & The Nightcats are an SF band and they forking rock. Rick Estrin is a forking great harp player – if they ever play anywhere near ya, go.

Hey, Newt, one thing I noticed while in Safari I can’t login to my MSN e-mail account, it keeps shutting down the whole browser… I swear they’re allergic to one another…! ;-)

239 and taking the fast road up…

Room to move.
Harp!

Let me play with it a bit…

Mellow Down Easy

WOOHOO!!!

and, because i forgot to ask at the beginning of the thread:

how is everyone doing tonight?

Heh, Bitter? ;-)

I didn’t think they read the internets. Only elites do that, not ordinary people like the ones you see on TeeVee. TeeHee.

I used to listen to Little Charlie & The Nitecats fairly frequently at a local bar, all for the price of a beer, roughly 20 years ago. (Sigh!)

Love John Mayall! It reminds me of when I was a senior in HS and cleaning the house after a little fortification!

*sigh* lucky beer drinker you were

I finally got here and enuff’s enuff.
This poor old laptop can be handy but it’s slower than the second coming of Christ.
I’m going to get a keypad and set up my old PC, it runs circles around this thing. See ya all tomorrow.

When I was fortified, i watched teevee.

g’nite busted

back in the day when i was fortified, the teevee watched me.

Just what were you doing Suz??

707!

the digg brings us new pups – folks on the internet who see the article, click to read it, and then discover fdl. the more non fdl folk see bt’s post, the better. because not only do we maybe get new pups, we also are spreading the word to those who may not hear it otherwise.

This is great. Gotta be in my top ten favorite late late night music YouTubes.

tuttle – is it a “@ live dot com” addy?

*innocent look*
my juvenile record was sealed and is gonna stay that way

Shit I just checked BT’S Digg and it up to 350 already!

*blushing* thanks, margot

the awesome power of the pups in action before our very eyes. studies show only 1% of our readers comment so our readers are very active even when not commenting on the threads. way forking kewl

High octane fortification, sounds like!

*laughing* champagne tastes on a beer budget is what my dad used to say about me

That’d be correct!

homeDOTliveDotcom…

Fixed your link.
Hard refresh, pups.

We used to get a lot of good blues at local bars. Rod Piazza is a local who played locally a lot in those days. And a lot of Hollywood Blues and Jazz players would play local gigs on the weekends.

One night, I was at that same bar sitting with a friend who was a master custom-guitar maker for Fender. We were listening to a group from San Diego, The Paladins, when he turned to me and said (about the guitar one of the Paladins was playing), I just made that guitar last month and drop-shipped it to a guitar store in Texas, what the fuck? So he went up the guy at the next break and got the story on how he happened to get that guitar, being from San Diego.

Another time, that same friend told me of delivering a custom baritone guitar that he had made for Ry Couter. Apparently, Couter immediately started playing the guitar and raving about how it sounded exactly how he had been imaging for about the last 20 years. My friend got a bit choked up as he was descibing that encourter.

Over the years, I’ve had several friends who were professional musicians, but only two of them were able to support themselves without daytime jobs. One was a member of the Air Force band, which is the epitome of a steady gig, and the best place for a young musician to get big-band chops. The other was the sister of my friend who made guitars. She was Michael Jackson’s lead guitarist. I’ve drunk beer with her several times but never heard her play.

Thanks didn’t know I broke it!

OMG.

In Ciudad Juarez, 210 people have been killed this year.

A turf war among drug cartels has claimed more than 210 lives in the first three months of this year. Many of those killed were young gunmen from out of town. The number of homicides this year is more than twice the total number of homicides for the same period last year. Several mass graves hiding 36 bodies in all have been discovered in the backyards of two houses owned by drug dealers.

At the height of the violence, around Easter, bodies were turning up every morning, at a rate of almost 12 a week. Desperate, the mayor and the governor of Chihuahua State asked the federal government to intervene.

If you’re interested, notice how the military/police officers are dressed. At Christmastime, I saw this kind of dress (minus the face covering) in Cabo San Lucas. I wonder who’s paying for these uniforms?

Who knows what evil broken link lurks within the…um,
The Lurking Mod knows. lol

getting it ready to put in the news queue, loohoo

That’s right across the river from El Paso. When I was stationed there they always tried to discourage us from visiting there…

Ok. I’m having no problem jumping in and out of my newly-created “live” account, using Safari in XP Pro.

*wicked evil laugh*

why, it is amazing what a few chocolate and pecan cookies will do

Got milk?

That is so cool, wigwam! There used to be a little place here in Escondido called “The Alley” that had hot shot start-ups. Saw Kris Kristofferson, Kate Taylor (James’ sister) and Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks. The place couldn’t have held more than 100 people. I was on the cover of the Dan Hicks album, but nobody would know me cuz it was from behind and I was all unblowndry hair!

ohhhh, feisty TLM tonight

ok, i’m full of shit and a pain in the ass, but my main aim is this–we all belong, and are quite a force if we would realize that before we implode–elvis costello knew that, back in the 80’s it was a black hole, same as now, anybody remember that?-what a dark morass….everybody called him an annoying influence when he came out, now he’s right on all of the time……

i remember when he couldn’t get a club date, 50 people there, but i bought into what he was sayin’………

what’s so funny ’bout peace, love and understanding? that’s all i’m sayin’…….nite. the peeper frogs are singin’ me to sleep……….

ttp://youtube.com/watch?v=8BxEAudsb9c

or maybe this one would be better-has war video added to the song-couldn’t check it out fully, on dialup, but what i saw looked good….very good.

war version

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YbOVtcSUVjI

i know a lot of you here haven’t been in the threads that have gone under, but the ones that have, this is what it’s about……cut the shit out and let’s get on with it……..peace love and understanding, that’s what i’m fighting for. what about you?

nite

Who lurks about? GB?

?

Suz- I often try to imagine what outfit the lurking mod wears. Does he/she wear a black cape, black tights, and really cool shades? That’s my image, anyway!

loohoo’s drug war article is in the news box now

Would that be GWB??

Heh, it shut me down again…!

I would not say that Zorro but then again, not Zorro the Gay Blade either with all those fashionable colored outfits he wore.

When I was a wee child, we lived in El Paso. We went to Juarez all the time. Loved it. I have lots of fond memories. Things are a bit different now. Interesting that the NYT refers to Juarez as a dusty town. It has a population of 2 million!

I agree, I made a few trips there… Dusty it is, but, certainly no town!

Lurking Moderator minions.

dayam, i never got groupies…

Dang 541 for BT… I guess there are a lot of people who feel GWB is the most hated in History!!!

Heh, with minions like that, do you need some help…? ;-)

My windows is better than your windows?

572

Lurking Moderator fashion designer/masseuse.

Sumthing ain’t right, it keeps generating an error report to send, but, I don’t send it! Gates might not appreciate it…! ;-)

Per TPM:

According to Doug Schoen, estranged partner of Mark Penn and one-time pollster for Bill Clinton, says Hillary Clinton should abandon her purely positive campaign and instead go negative on Obama.

From tomorrow’ WaPo …

Hillary Clinton took an important step Monday toward winning the Democratic nomination by launching an ad targeting Barack Obama’s recent comments about working-class voters clinging to “guns or religion.” The ad is a marked change from her recent determination to use a positive message until the Democratic convention, but for Clinton to capture the nomination she needs to completely abandon her positive campaign and continue to hammer away at Obama.

The tactical equivalent of the Hail-Mary pass; it’ll hurt your chances to score, but it sure saves time.

Suz- I really wouldn’t worry… they look kinda like a New Age version of the Stepford Wives. You really don’t want that sort of groupies, do you?

Good Gawd. I just looked at the comments over at Digg. Do our poor mods have to keep those creeps out of our civilized comment thread? I’d be drink bitter(s) if I had to deal with that.

Yup? I have no clue, but I’ll say that one lurking mod helped me out big time one day before I understood that you can’t have clicked comments, and expect to see the news feed.

Some things are more *difficult* than others.

She was running a positive campaign? Who are these people?

uh… was that the link you meant? That is some ugly attack dog. REally, that was not appropriate for this conversation ;)

Hillary Clinton was running a positive campaign???

er… edit… not appropriate for …. this thread- FDL- ? — can’t remember that old FDL joke, but I trust you get my drift…

hey eg

I did enjoy this one, tho…

Don’t worry G.W., the public has a really short memory. Six months after you’re out of office, we’ll all remember you as the lovable chump, and we’ll be telling humorous stories about you while we’re standing in line for food stamps and Red Cross handouts.

i don’t believe that is an appropriate subject for this blog

Damn, those were the days. So, Kristopherson had hit it very big by 1970. Right?

I saw Bonnie Rait playing at a local movie theater when she started her comeback roughly 20 years ago.

Also, there was a local blues band, Buddy Reed and the Rocket 88s. I used to catch them around town, but I took my girlfriend to see them at a couple of places out of town. The first place was a somewhat rural dive. She turned to me and said, “No damn way.”

I protested, and she said, You can take me to a cowboy bar, and you can take me to a black bar. But when I see black cowboys, I just know there’s going to be trouble.”

My next effort was at a local university where Buddy and his crew were the band playing with Bo Didley. It looked like she’d be a lot happier in this venue until 50 Hell’s Angels marched in with their women heeling one pace to the right and one pace behind. Somehow that did not impress her.

Well, if it’s a positive campaign so far, I really interested to see what happens when it goes negative!

Thanks Suz- I knew I was close, but not very close!

There will be blood.

Is the lurking mod sure that this isn’t a more accurate picture of the lurking mod’s fashiondesigner/masseuse?

shame shame shame

Mother!

Sadly, more ammo for McInsane…!

You’re a Fonda? ;-)

Busted!

Jane Hanoi Jane…. not Hamsher!

Hiya, pups. Home from work. Scary driving through slush that was starting to freeze for 50 miles. You can tell who has taken their studded tires off already. They were in the ditch, on teir cell phones….

I get to participate in my first panel on blogging this Saturday, at the annual Alaska Press Club convention. I’m not going to make nice.

*rubbing hands together gleefully*

i like it when et’s not ready to make nice

I hope someone will be recording it. I’d like to see it, as would others here, I am sure.

That is interesting. No indication that it is a large city, except for the number of officers who have been trained.

Hey ET! Congrats! You just caught me on way off to slumberland, but thanks for the update!

g’nite vg

Okay, now I’m seriously worried about the Lurkster. Is s/he watching us with that eye?

It is the fourth or fifth largest city in Mexico – over twice the size of El Paso. Together they form one of the largest border communities in the world!

hahahaha the lurkster hahahaha

i like it loohoo, i like it

thanks Suz- you do great work at FDL.

701

If that’s true, and the ads come out, it will be the undoing of Hillary. She now has opportunity with perhaps the governorship of New York, or a hot shot spot in the senate. Why would she do this?

Big Tax Breaks for Businesses in Housing Bill Tomorrows headliner @ NYTimes

WTF what hell about all those family’s losing their homes… Lobbyist have to be banned from even be in Washington…. What the hell is congress thinking. And Obama gets crap for saying people are Bitter!!

*rummaging through pockets for that phaser…*

dayam, think we can hit 1,000 before midnight pacific?

OK gang, it’s off to dreamland for this gnome. See ya tomarra.

*holding up phaser* this what you looking for lurkster

Aloha, Gnome and VG!

Rats!

g’nite gnome

Back to the lake – off the phone. Dang, I missed Valley Girl. She’s one of the people who convinced me to stay, back in 2005, when commenters kept wondering why anyone would call himself “Edward Teller.”

curses foiled again

If that’s true, and the ads come out, it will be the undoing of Hillary. She now has opportunity with perhaps the governorship of New York, or a hot shot spot in the senate. Why would she do this?

IMHO, many of her backers are neocons (e.g., Haim Saban), and they’d rather see McCain elected than Obama. They’re the same folke who tried to intimidate Pelosi a few weeks ago. And, IMHO, they’re telling Clinton:

“We’ve invested a lot of money in you and you owe us a fight to the finish. And if you drop out now, you’ll never in your political career get another penny from us.”

That’s what I think is going down.

Hey ET, I admit I am still here! Thanks for the sweet words! I lurves ya!

Yep…

In the Senate bill, the nation’s biggest home builders, some now on the verge of bankruptcy, won a provision that would let them claim millions in tax refunds by charging their current losses against the huge profits they made three or four years ago.

Those huge profits were made from the shilling of the sub prime mortgages to purchase those homes they built… F*ckers, the whole lot of ‘em…!

{{{{blushing}}}}

We’re winning up here, if we can only figure out how to do it. Too many Alaskans are failing to realize how in flux our local political map is right now.

Couldn’t agree with you more! Where is the help for the little guy?? Oh yeah they don’t contribute enough to campaigns soooo they don’t count!!

going up next in the news box nahant, thanks

So ET is that for THE Edward Teller??

Goodness! I must have seen Kristoffeson in 71 or 72. He was already famous to me, I knew every word of every song on the Sunday Morning Coming Down album, but I guess he still had to do small venues.

I thank my dad. He took me to a Beatles concert in San Diego when I was 13.

That one hit a nerve, nahant. Lotsa people poring over campaign reports right now. All over the country. Seeing it your way –

Where is the help for the little guy?? Oh yeah they don’t contribute enough to campaigns soooo they don’t count!!……..

Great this travesty needs to be headlined in all the MSM … bet it won’t!!

OOOH! Sounds like you need to keep us updated!

no, he’s on first…

hopefully, since it is a NYTimes piece, other papers will carry it

third base

The subject is “blogger ethics.”

Then who’s on second?

no, who’s on first

Coolio!

Well, I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

aloha ct

ET, for the benefit of relative newbies, perhaps you can be persuaded to tell the story about your moniker? It is Late Late Nite, after all….

Oh, my heavens, wigwam. That’s political prostitution if that’s true.

I don’t know how many times I have seen their skit but I always enjoy it :>)

Aw Loo Hoo – what a great Dad!

Nite, CTuttle.

hey npb

The best! Love my dad.

nite tuttle (turn off norton and try it again, just to see…)
good evening, npb

Totally OT: I heard this most amazing report on NPR’s All Things Considered during a drive this afternoon: http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=89657242

Michele Norris was raving about how the Chinese are making energy out of the dangerous gas, methane. Chinese scientists have achieved a breakthrough to be able to do this, and now, with the help of America’s Catepillar Corporation, the Chinese have the world’s largest methane-powered generator, which turns out 120 megawatts.

Unfortunately, Michele Norris did no research and had no clue that this exotic gas “methane” is what we in the U.S. call “natural gas”, and that Natural Gas already provides 20% of our electricity. (But perhaps she has a wart on her tongue.)

I never got to hear Kristopherson, but he was one of my favorites.

Hey Suz! Great to be here, albeit late – glad I finally came to after a long evening nap. Just caught Michelle Obama on Cobert and thought she was, well, great!

musta never heard of teh google

norton??? isnce when would norton interfere in logging into a mail account? You would have already connected to the web site.. Now if it won’t let you get to the site I could understand that and should be easily fixed by checking your trusted sites list… just saying

Or somewhere private

psssst…
What the f*** do I know from VIRUS PROTECTION?

Don’t worry you will as that OS becomes more popular… they are already into Linux

reading these comments, one might think that newton’s lack of knowledge about virus protection causes warts

We need to go back to MESA… now that was an OS

Nah. Just good nights sleep.

sleeping? at night? what a concept!

sorry – I’m playing shortstop for my students hitting term papers at me on the phone and by e-mail. The papers are bouncing off the frozen ground, turning into baseballs just before they get to my mittt, uh, desk.

Oh my gosh Newt I didn’t know!! Are those genital ones??

These “radio hosts.” Seem to feel no need to do any research on their topic. To them and their superiors hosting is a generic skill; if you can host one subject, you can host them all — there’s no need for domain-specific expertise; you can always hire an expert to speak.

Michele Norris was obviously working from Chinese press releases and press releases from the Catepillar Corp. Why would anyone want anyone but PR flaks writing their material for them? Why would you want anyone who had taken a high-school chemistry class, and knew that Natural Gas and Methane are the same thing.

The shit is that even people in the third world are not this ignorant of science. Unless we get past our reverence for Forest Gump, we will perish. “Stupid is as stupid does.” Well we’ve tried stupid. How has that worked out for you?

Well BT’s post hasn’t broke 1,000 but it has reached 853 and is sure to get more before the sun comes up on the east side of the country. If you haven’t dugg his post be sure and do it!

i think they are macs

Oh nahant – don’t ya go picking on my clean screen guru newtonusr.

But Mesa was a very long time ago, and I very much respect what Lampson and Reddel did with regard to the use of monitors in developing that system. But I’ve never seen it run.

Dam I used that environment to manage all my servers back then… clean and simple to use… I rued the day when all that went away and I had to first learn a little Unix and then…. DOs and windows… Oh well we can’t stay in the past now can we… but I sure do miss that interface…

NPB He knows it is all in fun… we all have our favorites and they all have their places :>) Too bad you didn’t make the last meetup… it is always nice to put a real face with other firepups… How is Monterey tonight?

I feel the same way about the UCSD Pascal System. Unix was a nightmare by comparision, but it was still way better than OS360.

Ah, ignore them, npb.
He’ll be talking code soon, and before you know it, it’ll be morning :-)

Never had to deal with those but I do Know if you knew PASCAL you could pick up almost any other programing language… not that I am a programmer…

Not this guy no coder in me … I tried it… way too boring for me… besides I like to actually interact with live people!

A little musical interlude

And when you done with that one Blind Faith for your listening pleasure :>)

no coder? how about some cooder?

Hey rascal – you funny!

Monterey is great tonight – clear skies and not too cold. Spring has finally sprung, she says hopefully.

Low 40’s and crystal clear here in RWC already… hopefully won’t get much colder but with wind dying down you just don’t know…. The buck stove is stoked with some nice dry Almond so the house will stay cozy until I get up in the morning…

a crisp 41 here at the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods. crystal clear skies probably due to the fact we still have a brisk breeze occasionally whipping by – but not as bad as yesterday.

I have a lot of experience in selecting systems. And I’ve got some rather amazing stories. Here’s one.

Around 1981, I was in the Silicon Valley area and visited my friend John Couch, the first VP for software at Apple. Over lunch he told me, I’ve finally found the sort of intuitive user interface you and I have long talked about. I said, “So what’s that?” He said, “the SmallTalk system at Xerox PARC.” He said that he and others had recently taken Steve Jobs to PARC, and Steve was “blown away.” Thus was born the LISA system, which John eventually inherited, as Steve moved on to work on the Macintosh, grabbing the software and talent that John had assembled.

I was very disappointed that Pascal (or its successor Modula) didn’t become the systems programming language of choice, losing out to C. Sigh.

Thanks wigwam.
Another endless ration of grief from nahant comin’ my way! :-)
Great story.

Did you use Interlisp D… now that was another great programing interface… was also good for maintaining servers… programmers could run a program and watch it run in a separate window as the code executed…. way cool… the ones I supported loved it… but it to died…

Na newton … but when people start talking about all this computer stuff they just don’t know where most modern interfaces come from…. I was lucky to be able to do my little part in making some of it happening…. mostly in support roles… but that did give me a lot of incite in what we are using today and I use those concepts today in helping me solve my clients computing issues…

On that last note time for bed… BT’s post is at 971 sure to hit 1,000 before sunrise… good night firepups and thanks a great evening at the lake as usual!!!! :>)

ok pups, about time for me to head out. thanks for hanging with me tonight.

nite nahant
nite suzanne
bailing out myself

No. I recall the Interlisp machines (late 80s IIRC). But I never got my hands on one. My goal was alway to minimize costs. Here’s another classic story.

In the very early 80s, I read about this Stanford grad student, Andy Bechtolsheim, who had as his thesis project designed a three board set that could be plugged into a VME bus to constitute a diskless workstation: a processor board with virtual memory, and ether net board, and a graphics board. And he had licensed three or four companies to build such boards.

Well, that was exactly what I wanted — at a minimum, I could use them as low cost terminals. So I called him and asked which company was doing the most competent job of making those boards. He said he wasn’t happy with any of them, and to call back in a month, which I did. This time he said the same thing, but that he was working on something of his own. He asked me to call back in a month. I did so, and the voice on the other end of the phone said: “Sun Microsystems, Vinod Khosla speaking.”

For those who don’t know:

– Andy was the hardware guy among the founders of Sun.

– Vinod was the financial guy.

– Bill Joy was the software guru.

– I think there was a fourth guy, but my memory fails.

Sweet dreams sleepy ones. Am outta here as well.

Made the mistake of checking out the NYT and the snotty Maureen Dowd who has a fresh bitchy whine casting Obama as an insufferable elitest and a cheap shot on Michelle’s Colbert appearance.

(poof)

Alas, the polls: http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..730/496593

Stanford was using them as gate ways between networks but your time frame is late that was in 83 or 84… Stanford was one of my external accounts… I put in some of their early networks and was doing projects @ stanford for Dr George Pake founder of Xerox PARC… twas an interesting time… good night Wigwam will talk more with you on this later… fun remembering all this stuff :>)..