If you’re like me, and I know I am, on the serious questions of the day, you look to our nation’s most plentiful natural resource, conservative pundits, to tell you how to think. And then you know you are correct in doing the opposite.
And today, George Will takes the opportunity to tell us, who is really looking down on people as inferior to them. And, as is usually the case with Will, it’s the black guy.
What had been under FDR a celebration of America and the values of its working people has become a doctrine of condescension toward those people and the supposedly coarse and vulgar country that pleases them.
Ah yes, George Will — the greatest defender of the New Deal Era ever!
Because George Will truly knowns and understands the people he would never allow into his gated community.
This Obama and condescending meme…where have we heard that before?
[Obama] wanted to explain that he was too good — too patriotic! — to wear a flag pin on his chest.
"America’s Concern Troll", Richard Cohen:
Obama is nearly as good as he thinks he is.
…people here worry that Barack Obama is getting show-offy
And so the themes for the Democratic Candidates, the shorthand to explain and frame all statements, emerge:
The black guy is "uppity"; the woman is "a bitch".
Got it.
As Glenn Greenwald sums up in describing his observation while on a book tour…to our beloved press, only a "moderate" like John McCain can save us now:
In many respects, this week is an ideal one for the book’s release, as the content of "political news" over the last week or so illustrates quite vividly several of the book’s themes.
There was virtually no discussion, at least on any of the news shows to which I was exposed, of the obviously consequential revelations of the President’s direct involvement in the creation of America’s torture regime. Instead, the vast bulk of attention was paid to depicting Barack Obama as an effete, elitist, deceptive enemy of the Regular Guy — exactly the way that every national Democratic politician in recent memory has inevitably been depicted (including Hillary Clinton, particularly when the media and the Right thought last year that she would be the nominee).
Our elections are dominated by the same tired personality script, trotted out over and over and over. Democrats and liberals — no matter how poor their upbringing, no matter how self-made they are, no matter how egalitarian their policies — are the freakish, out-of-touch elitists who despise the values of the Regular Americans. Right-wing leaders — no matter how extravagantly rich they are by virtue of other people’s money, no matter how insulated their lives are, no matter how indifferent their policies are to the vast rich/poor gap — are the normal, salt-of-the-earth Regular Folk.



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I’m bitter!
I think George Will is the bitter one.
Morning Attaturk!
It will help alot if Hillary can find a different subject. How much can one’s words be distorted. Can we all get along?
The old guy is a wife-beating, lying sack of shit.
OK, Spector thinks John McCain can win PA in November
aAHAHAHAHA!
Goddam fucking nasty little bowtie Nazi.
His baseball stuff blows, too.
but please note – this celebration excluded black working people. sometimes i can’t help wondering if one of george’s real problems is that he can’t see black america as a part of working america.
If he holds true to form, Snarlin’ Arlen will probably change his mind when comes time to vote…
Obama pointed out in response to all the “elitist” flap that he was raised by a single mother and his grandparents.
However, I really liked Jon Stewart’s take last night. He said something to the effect of “This guy is running to be President of the United States. If he doesn’t think he is better than most of us then WTF is he doing?”
In my mind, the two great lies that the Republican Party has somehow succeeded in pulling over on their base is that 1) the Republicans are more supportive of the common man (and less elite) and 2) that the media is controlled by left-wing liars, so you don’t have to believe anything you read or hear in the news.
How did they do this?
Now what would happen if one described condiboots as a black bitch?
George is bitter that Conrad Black is no
longer available to pay $25,000 per book review.
Heh. Doncha know, all them black people are Cadillac-driving welfare queens and deadbeats… St. Ronnie done told me so.
Two words: talk radio.
Spector,
Obama: capable
Hillary: experienced
John McCain: really really experienced
Worthy of a repeat. Good one!
Morning pups. Off to a belated trip tot he gym.
Have fun wanker bashing
…and he’s not saying that just because he’s a republican.
That seems higher praise of Obama than he’s gotten from either of his opponents.
Do we really want a president who drags a teleprompter around with him like it’s a dialysis machine? I don’t. McCain will never get my vote…evah!
Okay, going to work. Have a great day everyone.
I posted something about the new deal downstairs, it concerns reagans redistributing the tax burden and calling that a tax reduction when in fact it was at tax increase
the democrats can seize on that and use their own tactics, notice my last paragraph below, it is an incredible tool a real progressive can use and actually say they are “lowering taxes;
when a manufacturer is allowed to externalised it’s expenses, getting the working class to pay the manufacturers bills, like cleaning the crap they dump in the air, like the roads and water works, like the health of it’s labor force
when they are allowed to produce their product without paying those bills and export to here at a price that looks lower then our product, the businesses that do pay their own bills will go out of bussiness
now, franchises and big business buy in bulk from these countries that externalise their expenses and small business is forced out
what has to happen, a tariff placed on any product that comes from a country that does not provide for collective bargaining and does not pay their other bills, thus, creating what is REALLY “free trade”, thus creating “fair trade” which is far more free then the deregulated principles promonted by corporate america
also, our taxes have to be reduced to the point before reagan raised those taxes
and in order to lower our taxes to those levels, the tax burden must be redistributed to the same metric that applied before reagan raised our taxes
WaPoo never lets me say “Nice beret!” to George anymore.
Here’s this before I leave for work…
http://www.bittervoters.org/
We’re so bitter a website has been set up supporting Barack’s truthiness statement.
A new poll was just released in Michigan showing Obama with a slight lead over McCain (witht the margin of error it’s a dead heat). Although it is still very early it’s hard to believe that in a state that has been devasted by Republican economic policies the numbers would be this close. Perhaps there needs to be a sequel to “What’s the Matter with Kansas.”
What about that crazy WaPo editorial today about the Senate approving Bush’s judge nominees? Are they kidding?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02643.html
Hillary’s addresses Newspaper Editors today, C-SPAN 3 at 1:30 pm (ET)
The Michigan poll says that McCain has more “favorables” than either Obama or Clinton.. The Courtesan Class is earning their ticket to wealth and celebrity. Don’t expect to see any negative coverage by the Courtesans of McBush.
Pres. Bush Meets the Pope, C-SPAN 3 at 4 pm (ET)
Well, I think it’s because when people get hopeless they tend to focus on and cling to, uh, nevermind….
Will, Kristol, Cohen & and the gang calling anyone condescending and elitist is just too ridiculous for words.
And, for these Very Serious Pundits to take a pass on the White House torturefest confab hosted by Kindasleazy & Dubya is beyond belief, not to mention dereliction of journalistic duty.
I’m not surprised, mind you. But it still boggles the mind.
Yeah. WTF?
It’s those horrible Democratic Senators, subverting justice. Bad, bad Democrats.
Just. Make. It. Stop.
I’d love to hear everyones view about this -
April 14, 2008, 6:50 pm
Newspapers Argue for First Amendment Right to Snoop on Readers
By Saul Hansell
Usually, when people talk about the trade offs between privacy and freedom of the press, the argument is about whether the public has the right to know some fact about an individual’s personal life.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/…..ent-164615
At the Library -
Before The Storm – Rick Perlstein
Lapdogs – Eric Boehlert
American Theocracy – Kevin Phillips
Online -
George Lakoff/Framing 03
Jane Hamsher –
On Image I & II
How It’s Done I, II, III (?)
and I recommend the Book Salon thread for Perlstein’s book – a helluva discussion
Please remember that at this point, McCain has not had a Demo pointing out all the ways he ties to Bush and the problems folks have.
Also please remember that at a comparable point in earlier election cycles, Dukakis was leading Bush 1, Bush 1 was leading Clinton and Kerry was leading Bush 2.
The polls right now with McCain are pretty much meaningless.
Nice comment pmorlan,
I don’t see how collecting surfing information on customers is some kind of free speech, either.
Thanks for the reminder. You would think the vote is tomorrow.
Hey folks, re: racism it’s all good.
Joe Scar and his son were rooting for Tiger Woods this weekend at The Masters.
Proof positive that racism is now behind us.
It seems the only way to fight this crap is to roll around in the mud with them. Hillary dodges sniper bullets in Bosnia and that load of baloney goes away, while Obama says people are “bitter” which is described as elitist and unAmerican and doesn’t go away. Maybe being bitter is unAmerican. If I lost my home through foreclosure I think I’s be bitter but what do I know?
Even Bob Herbert in today’s NYT thinks Obama made a mistake saying people take solice in religion-what else do they go to church for? Obama now supposedly resembles Marx who said religion is the opiate of the masses. When George McGovern ran for president he suggested an almost confiscatory tax on estates over five million dollars, something that at the time effected less than half of one percent of American families. He also wanted to get out of Vietnam as quickly as possible. The American people rejected him soundly. These colors don’t run. Since everyone can be a billionaire we don’t want a confiscatory estate tax either. We are so crazy, it is difficult to deal with madness of this magnitude.
Granted the polls are meaningless but it is indicative of the Courtesan Class doing an abysmal job of providing the citizenry with the information necessary for making informed decisions but then the last thing the Courtesan Class wants is an informed electorate.
Good luck painting a black man as elitist. How’s that war coming along, McCain? Still swimmingly, it seems.
30% of Americans think Bush is doing a good job.
That should be the very definition of madness.
For the past two elections, the guy the press corp wanted to have a beer with defeated guys that the press found “elitist.” How has that worked out?
Attaturk,
With that headline, I can’t get rid of the image of a bunch of elitist pundits playing Copland’s “Fanfare for the Common Man” on kazoos, slide whistles and washboards, with dunce caps on their heads.
So let us see. You list a series of statement(attacks) being employed by the goopers. And, wisely, you infer that we ain’t seen nuttin yet.
BUT- are you simply playing simply one more verbal exercise? Cause if you are- why bother.
Don’t you think that it is time to address the basic Dem problem? It is great to point out how grotesque the behavior of the goopers is. However- unless we all can get the Dem message out, and do it pretty damn soon, you will have the experience of posting commentaries like this well into 2012!!!!!!
Just a simple question– WHAT THE HELL DO YOU OFFER FOR GETTINGTHE TRUTH OUT THERE!!!!!!!
I firmly believe that that is the prime question at this time. And the answers and actions better not take much too longer to be expressed. Just looking at what you include should be warning enough.
Kind of funny, bet Obama’s pastor is moving in next door to Will in his gated community. Interesting how a inner city pastor can build a million dollar + house in a exclusive area of Chicago. way to stick & feel the pain of your flock.
GeorgeSimian, Obama was just in San Francisco talking with a bunch of elite millionaires and billionaires, how can you say he is not an elitist? All three candidates are elitists. He then opened his mouth stating that Middle America is “bitter”. Did you miss this?
Hate to say it, and I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, but I think Obama IS condescending. I’ve been saying for a long time that he seems smug, and it’s the trait about him I like the least. I’ve always felt his candidacy was based on an egoistic reaction to the response he got for his keynote speech at the Dem convention. How many photos (and video) have we seen of him looking down his nose, chin jut out, at Clinton? Yesterday there was video of him smugly laughing at Clinton’s whiskey shot. How about him calling a female factor worker “sweetie”? That one made me cringe.
Does being smug or condescending mean someone can’t or shouldn’t be president? No. Should these conservatives, who thought they knew everything about Iraq and got everything wrong after telling everyone else how ignorant and unAmerican they were for questioning them be calling anyone else condescending? No.
But let’s not kid ourselves about Obama either. He’s perty darn high on himself right now.
You are totally on target concerning that human garbage George Swill. But I personally think politico.com is just as bad, being New World Order fake corporate journalists.
And what should have happened was to have the DNC blast the Republican shills for their false framing. Instead, they had to remain neutral because of the clinton/obama contest.
Ironically, the Clintons could have done their candidacy and the party a favor by defending the Democratic brand — sure, say you don’t agree with the misstatement, but then add it’s not what she thinks obama or any Dem believes, and that it’s a smear to say so. The smear is definitely not the way they vote and develop policy. It’s the way the other guys vote.
She could helped her own cause much more by defending the party (and Obama indirectly, but she would have been applauded for this), and thus make it more likely all Dems would support her in the general if she gets the nomination. Lift the party; slam the right wing.
Instead, we got confirmation of the smear and silence from DNC. Stupid.
When Bush made up nicknames for members of the press corp, he was enormously smug and condescending. But it was reported as boyish impudence, not condescention.
Does it concern anyone that we are starting to see a pattern here with Obama. First, we had Obama’s wife make her statement “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country … not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.” Next, we have Jeremiah Wright and his clever racist speech. Now we have Obama pointing to rural white America stating how bitter they are.
This is the guy that claims he is going to bring America together by accepting change? Somehow I am doubting it even though I am not sure what this change is.
When the Bush Admin. outed a CIA agent, it was called patriotic and she was called a traitor.
The Bush Admin. stands alone in its Orwellian world.
Wonderful visual. That group has always been more than willing to blow their own horns. Slide whistles and kazoos are more appropriate.
Right.
But we’ll just allow the Obama side to continue calling her a pathological liar, neocon, political hack, insist that she was saying McCain would be a better president than Obama, NOT acknowledge that what they used to portray her as a liar was in fact the truth (the healthcare story), accuse Paul Krugman of taking a swipe at Obama for his having pointed out that she was telling the truth and a lot of Obama supporters jumped on that story to call her a liar…
Seems political disingenuousness are okay so long as their directed at Clinton.
In Glenn Greenwald’s latest “update,” he has a link to a BloggingheadsTV session with Megan McArdle of The Atlantic. “The discussion principally focused on the question of whether journalists and media companies have any obligations or duties besides acting to maximize their ratings and profits.” It’s 80 minutes, and I could only last through the first 50.
McArdle argues that the press has no special privileges in our society and no special obligations to cover/uncover the truth about what government is up to. They have the same obligations as normal citizens to tell the truth, which apparently means that they can be sued for libel. But their ultimate obligation is the bottom line. She stopped just short of saying that “profits aren’t the main thing; they’re the only thing.”
Politico is simply an attempt extend the cocktail weenie circuit into the New Media, thereby keeping control of BigMoney-approved “message” as much as possible in this new era. They do basically the exact same reporting as is done by the Conglomerate Media, pretend to be independent, yet advance the exact same framing that favors BigMoney.
It was sad to see them sponsor one of the Dem debates already. With enough money, you can buy yourself legitimacy I guess. This, after not just a stumble out of the blocks for Politico, but a full-on face plant when they were “breaking” false stories in the beginning, yet here they are, considered a legit organization through much of the blogosphere.
We all must do as much as we can to get people reading places like FDL, and ignoring the cocktail weenie munchers.
Good morning Juno.
Attaturk refuses to acknowledge the importance of Orange Juice-gate, Bitter-gate, and Very Low Score at Bowling-gate.
Alas, I couldn’t agree less. Ninety percent of this nation’s press stands there with them.
To end the Great Depression required the leadership of an elitist Democrat, FDR. Bush has created a new Depression so we need another elitist Democrat. If that’s Obama, then he’s the right choice.
This is the first time I have heard the Great Depression described this way. No wonder conservative pundits can look on Iraq and call it a success.
Good point, and I agree (not with the 90% though, but enough to still make one fear for this society), but what I meant was in trying to compare this admin. with any other, past or future, is an exercise in futility because it’s just so damn bizarre.
Good morning, Scarecrow. I appreciate your greeting.
This is not the way things should be but it’s the way they are. It describes why we no longer have news but infotainment. Aspects of fraud enter in because the media ask us to invest our time in their programs as if they were news when the media know they are not.
Juno, I had the opportunity to see Obama speak in North Dakota, to 16,000 plus and also in a room of several hundred.
I don’t see smug, I see someone genuinely happy that he is realizing the ultimate expression of his choice to be a community organizer. Enthused at the opportunity that winning would enable. Growing into the role. Self-effacing in examples such as his story of “fire up… ready to go…”
What better position would there be to effect positive change for the common good than in the Oval Office. [and wouldn’t that be a nice change from the Current Occupant & Chee-knee focusing on fearmongering and warmongering and lining the pockets of themselves and their corrupt cronies]. No wonder LIE-berman is so jealous.
Prairie Today: IRS Hood Ornament
They are unique in the degree to which they’ve succeeded in establishing their imperial presidency. Nixon tried and never got so all that far. Reagan was much more successful. The first Bush rode on Reagan’s modest success. But GWB has hollowed out the U.S. economy and maxed out its credit to the benefit of benefactors of the Republican party.
Actually, the end of the Great Depression required WW II. Let’s hope we don’t have another and, if we do, that a world war isn’t the solution.
Moreover, FDR may have been a patrician, but he was not an elitist.
I wish I could remember the day and time that George Will apologized to Jimmy Carter for stealing his debate notes….oh yeah HE DIDN”T!!!!!!!
We need more black elitists in America. Then maybe there’d be less poor African Americans.
You call Obama smug and condescending. How exactly would you describe Clinton? What rationale can you give for her remaining in the race when it is so unlikely she can win?
There has been a long tradition that only the court jester gets to speak the truth and still survive. And, it seems to be so in today’s news business. There is more news and truth spoken by Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, Bill Mahar, SNL, and Keith Olbermann than by any of the “serious” news folks. It’s a truly amazing situation.
This country didn’t need a world war to end the Depression…you don’t need a war just a concerned government and a willing population.
Why, that just proves what a fighter she is. And this nation needs a real fighter like that to defend it against Islamofascism.
BTW the Cushing spot price for crude oil is currently $113.49/bbl. Having trashed the housing market, hedge funds have moved on and are trying to do the same thing to the commodities markets. A horde of locusts would be more useful.
Perhaps, but the war ended it. You could look it up.
from mcclatchy, via the left coast, seems like maria cantwell is trying to do something constructive:
Wow, Ya that is what the black population needs some of its own elites. The black population, as well as everyone else in this country, has to realize that they are in charge of their own destiny. The government is not going to help them; other people are not going to help them. They need to take it on themselves to get educated and make their own life. Making excuses for why you are in the predicament your in will not get you anywhere.
Ah well, it’s obvious we view the same thing and see something different. I’ve tried, and I can no longer see her as other than Tanya Harding. Just out of curiousity, you weren’t the East German judge in the Olympics throughout the Cold War years, were you? I think they actuallty thought they were objective also, but were actually supposed to be judging the tilt of the chin and all of that stuff.
I thinking they are counting on most Americans not having that experience.
Oh holy moly! This from David Brooks this morning:
“American voters aren’t so stupid as to think their problems are caused by foreigners and malevolent lobbyists. When Obama speaks down to his audiences, it makes me so bitter I want to cling to my laptop and my college degree.”
Has Brooks been living under a rock the last five years while conservatives and Republicans have been insisting that illegal immigrants (read: foreigners, legal or otherwise) are destroying America and taking all the jobs from Americans while at the same time blaming Bill Clinton for NAFTA???
Good grief, Repubs lack self-awareness and intellectual honesty.
You can look it up…’the war’ was just there and just a part of cumulative circumstanes.
I wish her luck. These kinds of investigations generally do not find anything although they do sometimes have the effect of restraining prices. That nothing much will be found (given past history) is all the more surprising considering that at least 30% of the current price $34-35 stem directly from this kind of speculation.
i don’t actually expect much of anything. but it always nice to see the occasional congress critter tilting at the windmill with us.
No, I wasn’t one of the East German judges, nor am I the French judge from the ice dancing scandal.
I am always amused by how inspired Obama’s supporters are to a more civil form of discourse.
At any rate, I don’t see how “Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience”, which is true, for ill or not, translates into “he should therefore be president if I am not”, which is nothing more than the frame Obamans decided to give it, and I don’t see how that is different than the disingenuous framing of Obama’s “bitter” comment.
Interesting that it’s hopeful, inspired Obama supporters who want change and to end negative and divisive politics who insist on going with the most divisive and negative take on one sentence but it’s a Clinton supporter, at least me, who is honest about Obama’s meaning and will stand up and defend Obama on that when I could just as easily insist that what he said was negative and derisive and elitist…
ack. listing to rice on c-span3 now is giving me a headache.
btw, as for objectivity, you’re the one who just happens to be going with the more negative and divisive interpretation of a comment by an opponent AND defending a comment by the one you support by insisting it was not meant to be divisive ,while I’m the one defending both.
But I’m the unobjective one. Got it.
Almost anyone from this Administration does that to me.
Not sure Gail Collins deserves to be lumped in with those assholes. Read the article the link leads to, I think you are taking her out of context.
going for the advil now, catch you all on the next thread.
Oh lighten up! Step back and take a look at your stated reasons for dislike of Obama; your viewpoint from down his nose, his upraised chin, etc., etc.. If those aren’t ad hominem arguments, I don’t know what are. I’ve never said a thing about Hillary’s delivery or physical appearance. I don’t even recall any Obama staff members criticising her about the Tuzla thing. I didn’t blame her for things Bill said, or one of her other staff. I’ve held her to account for things I saw her say which supported Republicans, rather than another Democrat.
I’ve told you three times that my objection to Clinton came only after she stated that she and McCain were qualified for the presidency and Obama was not. You say I choose that interpretation, but I do not. I wish that she had only continued her argument that she should be preferred as more experienced, rather that to include McCain. You’ve never explained why she found it necessary to include McCain and or to explain how she could ever believably state her support of an Obama presidency, after her criticisms of him. On the other hand, I don’t believe I recall anything he has said which would prevent him from making a believable assertion that Clinton would make a better president than McCain.
I haven’t got the faintest notion what this has to do with his capacity as President. I really don’t.
Tired personality script… last week, same line, CNN for 4 days has
beaten this drum. The point of the post is the irrelevance of this line
in the light of other larger matters. Someone will finally win the
personality contest, then the work begins… tired personality script.
I initially was for Edwards mostly because I feared this country would not elect a black man. I still fear it although he may pull it off because things get so bad there’s no alternative just like the people of Bridgeport, CT elected a socialist roofer mayor in the early thirties. It was either that or bankruptcy. With Edwards gone there was no place for me to go but Obama. I think Hillary is a pathological liar. I have no other explanation for her dodging bullets story. You think she misremembered. I think she made it up and knew she was making it up.
That said, there is something pathological about anyone runnning for president. Obama in kindergarten wrote that he wanted to be president, something I can identify with since I wanted to be president when I was in kindergarten. It had to do with being unable to socialize and deciding to show everybody. Insecurity and inferiority breeds a grandiosity so great being on the stump 24/7 is a piece of cake. We probably would be better off chosing presidents by lottery, get someone who doesn’t want to be president, but that’s not in the cards.
The View just had a segment on the Dog Whistle event of this past weekend. Not that I’m just sitting here on the couch doing nothing, mind you.
And I agree with you ekunin, a friend of mine once said that wanting to be President of the United States should automatically preclude you from the running because you are obviously insane.
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/im…..aper-1.jpg
George Will!! I’m being lectured about elitism by a guy wearing a bow-tie! George Will is not the kind of guy I want to have a beer with. He is, however, the kind of guy I’d like to beat-up after I’ve had said beer.
Are you comparing McCain to someone else who has to carry around a dialysis machine??? Do you really think McCain is a mastermind terrorist who wants to attack America and bring down the modern world??? Are you saying that McCain is just like Osama bin Laden?
Interesting juxtiposition. They’re both nut-jobs…
Events are proving Obama correct in having integrated that “elitist” Faulkner into his speeches: “The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past.”
The Confederate flag does fly atop the South Carolina capital’s dome and CongressCritters publicly invoke the language of racism and slavery. “That ‘boy’ is uppity. Hrmph.” If Trent Lott had admitted his feelings about segregation only a few years later, he’d have been promoted, not stripped of his Senate leadership position.
Rove’s Republican Party proudly resurrects that language, as well as the routine, brutal epithets of McCarthyism, slyly couched as “questions” about whether Obama is a “Marxist” rather than openly accusing him of being a communist when he advocates mildly populist economic policies.
I find their tone reminiscent of the aging landowner in the original In the Heat of the Night. Dumbfounded after a Northern black policeman he slapped was so uppity that he slapped back, and recoiling when the sheriff, standing nearby, admits he doesn’t know what he’s going to do about it, the landowner laments, “There was a time when I could have had you shot.” When that was filmed, a federal anti-lynching statute was a controversial “invasion” of states’ rights. Seditiously, the filmmakers left the landowner powerless, crying in his orchids. Today’s ReichWing wants to rewrite that script with a new sheriff. What are we gonna do about it?
In case you check back, I have never said I think Clinton misremembered. I’ve said in fact that I think she at least exaggerated and at most made it up to add color to her experiences. This does not make a person a pathological liar, much as Obamans would like to paint her as being even as they whine and gnash teeth at Obama ever being taken out of context or called on any of his BS.
I think Obama has made up the whole hope and inspiration stuff to use as a political tool and in lieu of any real experience too. I don’t think he’s pathological. I think pols make crap up a lot.
I’m not bothered by it at all, just as I’m not bothered by Obama saying his having lived in foreign countries as a child makes him more knowlegdeable about other cultures and foreign affairs. It doesn’t. That was a lie and an absurd one, but I saw it for what it was. No biggie.
Um, yes I did explain it.
I’ll do so again:
She included McCain’s “lifelong experience” alongside hers and alongside Obama’s lack thereof, according to her, to illustrate that she will be better able to challenge McCain in the General.
Okay?
And I mentioned the smug and looking-down-the-nose bit in context to the article, which is about Obama being elitist, which I think he is, I do thin he’s smug, that is a trait I do not care for but it doesn’t mean I “Hate” Obama. I do not hate Obama; I do not KNOW Obama. I also distinctly said that being smug is NOT evidence of not being fit for the presidency.
You do seem to interpret things as you want them to be.
What, in your opinion, makes a person a pathological liar? You concede Hillary was blowing BS; that she “exaggerated” (some exaggeration). I believe, as you seem to, she knew the truth and ignored it. You parse too finely when you say you didn’t say she “misremembered”. I gave her the benefit of the doubt by putting the best face on it. You say she didn’t misremember which means you see her as lying. I don’t think making her experience more colorful is sufficient excuse.
It is true Obama misrepresents. I chalk it up to inexperience. It would have been better had he not denied he never heard Wright inveigh against whites. As soon as it became apparent no one believed him, he changed his story. I think living in a foreign country gives people insights into other cultures. I also think (hope) Obama is more liberal than he admits. Perhaps in a sense that’s lying although I put it in the white lie category. Hillary’s lie goes to her judgment. It’s a lie without reasonable excuse. Obame instinctively went for damage control. It was wrong, but it wasn’t crazy. Hillary’s lie was crazy.