There’s something deeply wrong with our public discourse when a reviewer like Niall Ferguson can pen a piece at the New York Times Book Review that contains, almost glibly, language like this:
The terrorists are at once parasitical on, and at the same time hostile toward, the globalized economy, the Internet and the technological revolution in military affairs. Just as the plagues in the 14th century were unintended consequences of increased trade and urbanization, so terrorism is a negative externality of our borderless world.
The difference, of course, is one of intent. The rats that transported the lethal fleas that transported the lethal enterobacteria Yersinia pestis did not mean to devastate the populations of Eurasia and Africa. The Black Death was a natural disaster. Al Qaeda is different. Its members seek to undermine the market-state by turning its own technological achievements against it in a protracted worldwide war, the ultimate goal of which is to create a Sharia-based “terror-state” in the form of a new caliphate.
I know, of course, that we’re talking about the Enemy: terrorists. But it doesn’t take a Dalai Lama to recognize that this kind of dehumanization is part of what brought us to this pass in the first place. And it only takes a historian to point out where it is likely to take us.
This is, in fact, classic eliminationist rhetoric: speech designed not merely to dehumanize and demonize other human beings, but to create the conditions for, and ultimately provide permission for, the actual elimination of those elements from society. As Kalkaino points out, Ferguson’s description of Middle Eastern terrorists is nearly indistinguishable from from Nazi prewar propaganda about the "filthy Jewish vermin."
Of course, there is an essential difference there as well: the Jews in reality posed no threat to Germany whatsoever, and so any danger they represented was concocted almost entirely in the imaginations of anti-Semites. Middle Eastern terrorists, of course, are very much a real threat, though almost certainly not the dire existential threat that the Fergusons of the world make them out to be.
But Nazi Germany hardly provided the only example of eliminationist rhetoric and its toxic effects — the American historical landscape is littered with them as well: the genocide of Native Americans, the lynching era, "sundown towns," and perhaps most tellingly in this case, the campaign against Asian immigrants and its culmination in the incarceration of 120,000 Japanese Americans during World War II.
Because that whole episode began with rhetoric nearly identical to Ferguson’s, directed at the "filthy Asiatic hordes" and producing bestsellers like Lothrop Stoddard’s The Passing of the Great Race, a warning that "white culture" was about to be overwhelmed by rapidly reproducing brown hordes (sound familiar?) from Asia. It was so powerful that when war with Japan broke out, it seemed in fact only a natural step to round up those untrustworthy Asian vermin and put them in concentration camps.
And so it goes with thinkers like Ferguson today. Later in the review, it’s clear where his logic leads us:
Bush’s instinct was not wrong. In this war, we do need pre-emptive detention of suspected terrorists; we do need a significant increase of surveillance, particularly of electronic communications; we do need, in some circumstances, to use coercive techniques (short of torture) to elicit information from terrorists. The administration’s fatal mistake was its failure to understand that these things could be achieved by appropriate modifications of the law.
And of course, anyone who disagrees should be rounded up and dealt with.
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Yeah Dave!!
well rahm thinks the Iraqis need to give more skin…(shylock a few million pds of flesh) to reay us………………..vomit/retch
Ferguson was once a reputable economic historian of the snotty Oxbridge variety. Wrote a decent book on a Hamburg banking family and the German hyper-inflation of 1923/24. He then drifted towards hackery. The money’s good, but I dont’t think anyone in my profession is envious. It’s just sad to see good talent go to waste.
repay
Fascism is alive and well and living in the Homeland.
“Its members seek to undermine the market-state by turning its own technological achievements against it in a protracted worldwide war, the ultimate goal of which is to create a Sharia-based “terror-state” in the form of a new caliphate.”
Bwahahahaha
About those burqas again….I want one in every color…
I was also tempted to comment on Ferguson’s lame-ass caveat, “short of torture.” Well, dude, we are torturing people now. Shows what happens when high-minded types like this are willing to empower those who may not share all their “civilized” values because, well, they’re getting the job done, aren’t they?
According to Niall, Al Qaeda is to blame for the crisis in mortgage backed securities.
Won’t Wall Street be relieved.
time for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata
There is one quite disturbing aspect to all this. Let’s suppose that the US economy really crashes badly. There is a chance of that happening. How great? 5 percent, 10 percent? I don’t know. But it is not a trivial chance. Yesterday’s WSJ had an article by John Makin arguing that the best of bad alternatives to the mortgage shitpile is a great inflation, the worse alternative in his being being the ’socialization’ of the mortgage market, whatever that means. If we were to experience a serious inflation of the type he was contemplating, and if that contemplation comes to be shared by the people who really run this country, it will ruin the middle classes like they’ve never been ruined. At that point, and adding in the retreat from Iraq and throwing in a terrorist attack or two, we are well on our way to the kind of situation Germany found itself in 1927-28.
These are low probability events. But so what the likelihood that a doubtful 527 vote deficit in FL in 2000 would take us to where we are now is also a low probability event.
As you may suspect: I slept poorly last night.
The New York Times Book Review, like so much of the trad media, has in recent years been dumbed-down and gussied up. A new overall editor several years ago led to lots of prettifying around the edges and to a huge diminution in quality of reviews.
Also possible that the editor responsible couldn’t fact-check–for reasons of time, work load, or perhaps because the Times is so breathlessly fascinated with reviewers whose short CVs sound good and are thus politically immune at the Grey Lady.
Fleas, dirty, vermin – what a world we have created. The part about “pre-emptive detention of suspects” is chilling. Who decides? Have we reached a point where we eliminate those who have a different view and work out way up the food chain until only a few remain and who will they be? Awful. Thanks for a great post.
and the cows here wont give milk…..direct consequence
Kinda reads like Letters from the Earth. Too bad Ferguson does have the same wit and insight.
Flease, vermin and bacillus. These are precisely the terms that Hitler and the Nazi’s used to characterize the Jews. You can look it up.
They weren’t such dirty vermin when they were the Muja-hadhin and America was arming and funding their enterprise to fight the Russians.
Who is Oceana at war with this decade?
people convicted of killing innocent human beings for political purposes deserve what happens to them.
People who the President SUSPECTS of “terrorist” activity deserve the protections of the law.
Giving away our constitutional protections as a means of saving them is the dumbest bet of all
Excellent, David;
Niall should go on Limpaw’s show. Then they, together, could ‘flesh out’ the details about the vile, evil towel-heads, sand ******* and camel humpers who hate our Freedumb …
yup,wonder where they found his playbook…mebbe near the Enigma decoder
I am a bit confused. I skimmed through the review itself. It looks like Ferguson is paraphrasing or synthesizing what Bobbit says in his book. Is that correct? If so shouldn’t we also be critiquing Bobbit, since the topics are his ideas and it is his book that will have greater impact than the review?
This kind of language is so common now no one even flinches.
Bomb Iran….Nuke Iraq…..Wipe them all out….
America is rotting to the core.
-G
jeebus Dave, that may be one of the scariest lines I have ever read
I have posited more than once, exchange the word Jews for Muslims in most of these vile rants and you’ll get the gist.
-G
yup,9/11 changed everything…………………….for the worse
Well, the words are Ferguson’s, and I wouldn’t want to hold Bobbitt accountable for any potential misreading of his text by the reviewer. It’s abundantly clear, of course, that Ferguson himself holds these views.
same religion almost
1,813 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Neiwert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
We are truly beyond the tipping point…the fascist oligarchy has taken the happy-faced mask off and is usin’ the corporate media in it’s entirety to arouse the terrible fear of barbarian conquest…and I am not sanguine about bein able to stop this advance into the appocalipse with a simple election. Unless we are able to dismantle the corporate economies around the world and destroy capitalism as it now exists, we don’t stand a chance.
Keep up the good work and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL BATTLE!!
Oops, all those descriptives should have had quote marks around them. They are vintage Limpaw.
The difference is that the economic difficulties in Germany occurred prior to Hitler taking over, and the populace regarded the Nazi’s and their leaders as saviors. The economic disaster occurring here was caused by bad policies of the current “party”, and the people are furious with them. The fascists will not have the support of the people the way that the Nazis did; however, both parties in this country are driven by the corporations…but the other difference is the enormous materialism and consumer-mindedness of our culture…People will get mad at anyone that makes them give up their toys or make them unable to buy more toys…
True that. If you do read Bobbit’s book let us know what he says. As I went through the review and then read who these two guys were, I had visions of John Yoo dancing in my head.
Professor Ferguson would have us destroy our freedoms in order to save them. Harvard needs more scholars like that.
Humans dont humanize those whom they are about to kill
Nothing too surprising about that
History of warfare will undoubtedly show that the opponents in war are usually shown as less than human
There ARE a lot of terrorists out there who need some strong behavior modification however.
yes, especially to compete with Berkeley.
Hmmm… we can just call them “the Lieutenant Calleys of our discourse.”
There is no war. There are only military operations that use force. We are at war with no one. The Global War on Terror is not a war – it is a slogan. Bush has no war powers.
Does not our Dear Leader regard himself that way now?
Yeah, I think that’s exactly right. These guys don’t have a vision of preventing terrorism other than kill them all.
Which is, you know, fucking insane.
What is “premptive detention of suspected terrorists”?
Does that mean that Bush should incarderate people who he believes WILL BECOME terrorists in the future?
Strange phrase!
I think we should start with those terrifying us, at home, here …
even when one goes into a hospital,they receive a #….its easier that way
It is always gratifying to find out that the ivy towers are not infested with radical left-wing anarchists like the right would have us believe. /s
Being that the word ‘torture’ has been redefined by these yahoos, I shudder to think what constitutes coercive techniques means in their world
bizzare,truly,thanks cheerleaders of the media,Chris,Tom,Charlie….yes you have blood on your hands
Yes…when he looks in the mirror…he’s a rumor in his own mind!! One has only to look at footage of the Germans when Adolf was in power to see the enormous difference. Bush is an illusion. He has no support. He has no war powers. He is the Wizard of Oz….
media provided it all…..great sell job
‘insane’ it may be, but also very, very ‘profitable’ …
At least in the ’short’ term. What else matters to these, um … um …
persons, ah… people, er … thugs.
Oh noe, I’ve dehumanized ‘them’.
My bad. (hanging head, in shame, you remember what that is? ’shame’, I mean, but then, ’shame’ is only for the little ‘folk’)
Appreciate the background.
hey man this is soooooooooooo cool/
http://blog.wired.com/defense/…..ts-st.html
Did they never play “Risk”? Don’t they know you can’t just wipe countries off the board, because then other countries won’t have your back when you need them?
I want to know, really, if they’ve ever thought one whit about the strategic results of ‘kill’em all and let God sort them out.’
(I won’t ask whether they think about the moral effects.)
Cheney’s the real wizard, the man behind the curtain. Bush is the smokey image for public consumption.
Honestly, Bush was an un-elected, appointed President who took us into two situations which he called war, which were not declared war by Congress…then he claimed all these war powers and other powers…
People are so stupid that it is laughable. He has no real power. None. It is an illusion.
He is the puppetmaster for sure…but he has masters too…like the Saudis and Kissinger.
The whole thing is a con.
they dont care…it will be passed to Prez Obama….just as planned
He has all of the power he desires because the Democrats are unwilling to confront him in any arena.
Are we ready for the collective upchuck yet?
the teeeeeeeeeeeee beeeeeeeeeeeee tells them so,and they believe cause….GAWD talks to him,that should have been our first indication,no?
The hype about McBitter’s popularity is also a big illusion. It isn’t true. If people would just wake up to all of this….
Actually, I’ve discussed the dynamic of how progressives should avoid the trap of falling into their endless cycle of enemy-naming before, back in 2004:
Well stated.
I’m with you. All the more reason why a strong progressive majority is as, if not more, important than the presidency.
he is a 20 HOUR war hero…20 hours in combat,and NOT up close and personal,from miles up high
‘Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out’ should be our new American motto. It was popular in 2000, even before wee Georgie ascended to the throne …
It remains popular enough, today.
Heaven knows it leads to ‘jobs’ and a healthy economy, especially if we arm
(at a ‘decent’ profit, of course) all parties.
They are like Dorothy before the curtain got pulled back. It is all BS. He takes power…but he doesn’t really have the right to the powers he claims…not one bit. It’s right there under our noses. It would make the most hilarious comic tragedy play. Reminds me of Vonnegut.
Amen!!!!
No we don’t need pre-emptive detention.
We do not need to live in a police-state.
We do not need increased, i.e. unwarranted, surveillance.
The Fourth Amendment is there for very good reasons. The Bush administration has well demonstrated the abuses that can occur without it.
We certainly do not need “new” coercive techniques.
These ARE TORTURE.
Niall Ferguson wants “appropriate modifications of the law”…
Perhaps the Freedom Enabling Laws…
He’s an admirer of the use of POWER to bring peace. Which is just a bit Orwellian. Oh well… what would you expect from a Hoover Institution fascist???
yeah, popular in the crusades too, eh?
mebbe they will use these on us
http://blog.wired.com/defense/…..ts-st.html
My, my! Terror and Consent can go right on the book shelf next to Atlas Shrugged.
A book is one of those wonderful works in which the author self-reveals. He may choose a subject, theme and premise but wound throughout the novel is the author’s inner self. Perhaps we should talk about the author and those who are attracted to this novel and what they reveal about themselves.
This is why we need a New World Corporate Order, controlled by Big Business. We cannot fight the Caliphate with obsolete laws protecting so-called freedoms. Also, we need to mobilize the masses against the anti-market terrorists. Al Qaeda is different, since they do have super powers. Perhaps, a catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor sneak attack against innocent Americans would be the solution.
oh you are BITTER…snark intended
Though we may not know, for certain, its provenance, it is vintage, indeed.
“I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”
I just received Glenn Greenwald’s new book in the mail.
Like someone noted yesterday…the only “declaration” that we are at war was Andrew Card’s whisper in W’s ear during My Pet Goat….and btw, no one heard it except W…so that’s probably another big lie…
We’ve been and continue to be conned. Amazing…just amazing.
Mine should arrive today, too and I can’t wait.
My 71 to have been addressed to tw3k @ 66. Jeez …
Dear Frank33 (at comment 69)
do I detect just a little bit of snarky sarcasm???
thought so!
My clicker’s stickin’ …
Talk about ‘vintage’ …
I mean me, not mah ‘puter.
Speaking of Vonnegut, strangely enough even during censorship the Soviets were permitted to read him. I was astonished by this, but they said it was allowed because it was considered anti-American rather than anti-all authority.
Was this seven minutes earlier before W arose to check on the incident?
LOL
McCain wasn’t miles high. He was shot down in an A-4.
McCain would be a horrible President, but not because of his military record.
Since Niall is Scottish, maybe someone could explain to him that the British considered William Wallace aka Braveheart, a terrorist. That’s why they hung, drawn, and quartered him. How did that work out?
me too….why are we in this position??
Anybody hear that clip of Tweety considering running as Specter’s replacement…so, now we know for sure that he is a Puke.
what military record?he called himself a war criminal in 1994,
yea….2 words FAT CHANCE
o/t
fyi – raw story reporting DC Madam verdict reached – “developing”
2 more words: Macaca Moment.
Does he live in Pa. or does he plan to be a carpetbagger? Why Specter’s seat? Can you imagine that joke in the Senate? icky
nope hadn’t heard it but if it gets him off the teevee….hmmm
Yikes…that was really fast.
Appreciate the info on the A-4.
Diaper-boy Vitters got out of testifying.
I know that he is from PA, but I don’t know where his official residence is. He said he’s always wanted to be a Senator.
* Maximum speed: 585 knots (673 mph, 1,077 km/h)
* Range: 1,700 nm (2,000 mi, 3,220 km)
* Service ceiling 42,250 ft (12,880 m)
* Rate of climb: 8,440 ft/min (43 m/s)
* Wing loading: 70.7 lb/ft² (344.4 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.51
A4
Service ceiling 42,250 ft (12,880 m)
I suppose he feels that his desire to be one makes him qualified. Big head, small brain.
Maccaca lifetime…”G”
senator tweety
No, his pomposity already knows no end. He doesn’t need this feather in his cap
Wasn’t there a Tom Cruise film with a similar plot?
ready day ONE
I don’t follow your reasoning.
Specter is senator- an election to replace him would be state wide. Pennsylvania is a dem state (although not by much). A dem will have the best chance of replacing him.
Tweety was born and raised in Penn and served as a speechwriter to a famous dem senator.
missing word before ‘No’. Should have been ‘Egads no’
John Mc Giggolo
im a war criminal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3VqMUiZ2-g
It makes sense really as a stepping stone to his run for president 2016
OT – DC Madam found guilty on 4 counts
do you think Tweets is a dem?
Tweety is going to run in 2010. Tweety is a Republican like his brother. Tweety was being coy last night on Colbert. Tweety says he can do more good as a public servant than as a newsgirl.
yep. ‘minority report’
yea and chimpie/darth are torturers …WHO will go to jail?
o/t
raw story – “guilty of racketeering” more soon
Don’t you dare even think of such a thing! It almost blocks out the sun. :)
I started my walk around the toobz this morning with Atrios and came across this:
“So much for the liberal media.
John McCain and Barack Obama both appeared before the nation’s newspaper editors yesterday. The putative Republican presidential nominee was given a box of doughnuts and a standing ovation. The likely Democratic nominee was likened to a terrorist.
At a luncheon for the editors hosted by the Associated Press, AP Chairman Dean Singleton quizzed Obama about whether he would send more troops to Afghanistan, where “Obama bin Laden is still at large?”
“I think that was Osama bin Laden,” the candidate answered.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..33_pf.html
Dehumanizing the “enemy” is what we do-the left and right alike. They call liberals terrorists, we disguise ours as snark, but nonetheless…
I guess I’m a little grumpy today, tired of attack politics, tired of the MSM noise machine, tired of reality teevee masquerading as reality, just tired of it all.
and the ‘johns’ get off (sorry for the pun)
typical
hey margot at 49–”
Did they never play “Risk”? Don’t they know you can’t just wipe countries off the board, because then other countries won’t have your back when you need them?”
someone who went to college with bush was interviewed about him when he took office, back when everyone was trying to say what a great guy he was, tellin’ stories to make him an everyday kinda guy, well, he said bush played risk all of the time…said he was a ’reckless’ player. charged right in no matter what the risk was…the guy laughed about it. i don’t think he realized what he was saying.
======
epu’;d —and heard on the radio this morning that bush just broke truman’s record for consecutive period of being rated below 50% favorability. 3 1/2 years…
he made the history books with a record! think how many years that record will stand! and he’s still got time to add to it to really make it stand for years to come! congratulations w!
bbl
simple…Tweets is a twit…simple answers to simple que
Thought so…life imitates art.
yup. Now we need to get the DC Madman
saw that a few days ago…and so it goes,we have hard work ahead of us
screw your courage to the sticking place
I don’t really know what he is- he spends most of his energy layin a few nuggets for both sides in hopes of raising his ratings which aren’t great.
I just wanted an explanation for why a decision to run for the senate would prove that he was a gooper.
Doesn’t make sense to me- but I may be missing something.
Yeah, I know. I hate to wallow in self-pity for very long but sometimes just for a little while…
Woo Hoo! This signals my copy of Glenn’s new book may show up at my post office box today!
Yeah, the dude lives in Chevy Chase. Even Santorum had a hard time convincing voters he lived in PA.
Crazy train is on my teevee talking about the subprime loan fiasco.
Here is the jist of it:
go to post office to pick up a form for a new 30 yr fixed rate loan backed by the gov’t
proposes suspending gas tax from memorial day to labor day this year. there are many factors driving gas price which he will address in his energy plan speech
Oh, it’s not my reasoning…I heard him say it in an interview. I’m just telling you what I heard.
this bold move will act as an immediate economic stimulus (a few dollars off of every fillup)
So you heard him say he was a gooper? Interesting.
suspend purchase of oil for the strategic petro reserve which Crazy train believes has contributed to the high price of oil
(couldn’t be the unrest and overall clusterfuck in the mid east, could it john?)
Wait, wait, wait!!
I live in Penn’s Woods.
Get Tweety off the tee vee, but don’t wish him on any of us.
Besides, Arlen has no plans to retire, I asked him.
He plans to live forever, I suppose.
If he becomes a corporation, he won’t have to die … merely watch out for them hostile-take-over types.
Oh? Gosh! Tweety-dum dum ta dum …
Ok, I can’t watch anymore. stomach is cramping
Easing the gas tax could be VERY popular…and making it temporary is not bad economics…
I’d give the ol boy a few points for that one.
No, I heard him say he would replace Specter, who is a Repub. Well, I guess maybe I’m wrong then….I guess I was assuming that Specter is leaving and that he would run as a Repug and “replace” him…my mistake and assumption…he could run as a Dem…
the thought of that would lead to countless nightmares
rwcole
Matthews said, “I’m more conservative than people think I am. … I voted for George W. Bush in 2000.” – wiki
I’m not givening anyone any points until the WHOLE plan is on the table. There is a caveat somewhere
Are state gas taxes calculated separately or tacked on to the federal tax? Anything affecting state revenue is going to hurt already cash strapped state governments.
Just got in so apologies if it has been said before but the Black Death killed something like a 1/3 of the population of Europe. Anyone see a discrepancy between deaths attributable to terrorism and this? What the reviewer is doing here is just recycling Republican talking points and as so often happens in the media does so completely uncritically.
This said, there is a larger but different point to be made here. The speed of change and the instability that produces have created a fundamentalist backlash worldwide in all religions as a certain segment of the population seek stability in what they perceive to be “changeless” truths.
Matthews is a far bigger dumbass than he thinks he is. – me (2008)
teehee
If Bush is suspending the gas tax, is he also suspending royalties to the oil companies?
Karen Armstrong has a VERY good book out on the growth of fundamentalism among the three religions of the book and some good thinking on the causes.
Highly recommended
fat chance…
707!
Senators in Pennsylvania are either conservative dems or moderate goopers at the moment….Man-On-Dog got his hat handed to him.
Tweety could run on either ticket- don’t know how he would go over with his home folk. His on camera demeanor lacks gravitas.
Sax Rohmer, in his Fu Manchu novels, repeatedly refers to “the yellow peril.” At the time Chinese immigrants in England were viewed much as they were here in the 19th and early 20th centuries – less-than-human, corrupt, disease ridden, etc. Is there anything the white power structure, and their lemming-like followers, isn’t afraid of? With Obama promising to review crimes committed by the Bush administration I’d be willing to bet the Obama smears, a la the AP yesterday calling him Osama, will be coming fast and nasty.
I’d give the ol’ boy a kick inna pants…McCrazy pandering fool doesn’t know that the gas tax is almost nothing compared to other countries but it’s an important part of our US infrastructuer.
Niall Ferguson seems intent on being named the McSame administration’s Douglas Feith. Read his whole review. It’s an homage that relies on superlatives and adoration, characteristics that immediately signal dry rot and termites in the reviewer’s intellectual woodwork. Ferguson’s enthusiasm exceeds his credibility.
The resurrection of eliminationist language is of a piece with the resurrection of openly racist (that uppity boy) and McCarthyite (is he a Marxist?) criticism of Obama for his mildly populist economic policies.
The GOP, perhaps sensing the many vulnerabilities in McSame’s Maginot Line of a campaign, is already rolling out its big propaganda guns. The good news is that, like massive German railway guns in the First World War (a specialty of Ferguson’s historical work), they are virtually immobile and indefensible once found. When will the Democrats rev up their Nieuport 11’s and take off into the pre-dawn mist?
Great play and I would recommend it to everyone here.
The metaphors flip flop which side supports or attacks McSame, but I think the point is clear.
The association/similarity between terrorist and diseases was the basic thesis of William McNeill’s book, _Plagues & Peoples_: He compared plague bacteria (microparasites) to predatory brigands and mercenary armies (macroparasites). The bending of this concept to terrorism here is not that much of a leap, and the outrage here may be misplaced.A slight appropriation of another historian’s idea may have been misconstrued as an homage to the Nazi state.
It’s a bad grossly exaggerated analogy no matter how it is parsed or attributed.
“The terrorists are at once parasitical on, and at the same time hostile toward, the globalized economy,”
McVeigh?
Just gave myself a thought… every time some wingnut mentions something like “Osama Obama”, one of us should mention “John McVeigh”.
David Neiwart:
You just don’t understand “the Arab mind”! Especially those Iranians.
Thank you for pointing out that this is a race war, too.
“Middle Eastern terrorists, of course, are very much a real threat”
Yes, spawned by a festering cancer at the center of the Middle Eastern discontent. What was it Jimmy Carter asserted? Something about an “Apartheid State”, oppressing its disenfranchised, dispossessed and disgruntled citizens…Nothing like 3 generations in a Ghetto, Concentration Camp, or Bantustan to focus ones feelings…
Something come to mind…treating symptoms, not the cause?
Q: What is “premptive detention of suspected terrorists”?
A: West Bank, Gaza, and Southern Lebanon. How are they working out?
Since Niall is Scottish, maybe someone could explain to him that the British considered William Wallace aka Braveheart, a terrorist. That’s why they hung, drawn, and quartered him. How did that work out?
Pretty well. Until Elizabeth, 300 years and at least two civil wars later.