[Editor's note: This is the fifth of a six-part series by Paul Lukasiak on what polling reveals about how Americans will vote in the coming election. For more details, see parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. -- DN]
We've seen, over the course of the preceding data, the way that sexism and racism are affecting voter behavior in the 2008. And perhaps the most salient finding is a simple one: That when sexism or racism come into play, they each increase the power of the other to influence the outcome of the election.
That is, when Democrats indulge sexism, it enhances the influence of racism in the election, and vice versa. And when it comes to sexism, no figure in recent history has elicited as powerful a reaction as Hillary Clinton.
At the time SUSA data was gathered, the Jeremiah Wright controversy had not yet exploded on the national scene, and while “racism” was a factor, it wasn’t really an “issue.”
But when it comes to Hillary Clinton, it is clear that her gender isn’t just a “factor”, but an issue. If she “acts like a woman” and shows emotion, it becomes a topic for endless media discussion and speculation. If she gives a speech to a woman’s group, or she discusses the historic nature of her candidacy, she’s playing the “gender card”. How she looks, including what she is wearing, and how she sounds, are discussed in ways in which the media would never consider talking about a man. She is consistently defined in terms of her husband and marriage, and accused of not getting where she is on her own, but rather because of who her husband is.
The hostility toward Hillary Clinton is visceral, and is comparable to the hostility and hatred directed toward Eleanor Roosevelt in her day. Roosevelt was the first “modern” First Lady -- and the first truly post-woman’s suffrage one. While many First Ladies were women of sharp intelligence and political acumen, prior to Roosevelt they stayed behind the scenes. Eleanor Roosevelt completely rejected the then “traditional” role of First Lady, and became a public figure who was a strong advocate for civil rights and human rights, and played a significant role in her husband’s administration.
As a result of Roosevelt’s refusal to only play the “traditional” role of First Lady, both she and her husband were vilified during his Presidency -- it was clear that Franklin Roosevelt didn’t “permit” Eleanor to have a public persona separate and distinct from her husband, he “enabled” it. Tens of millions of Americans, unhappy with the changing role of women in society, saw that “enabling” in the same way that we perceive the enabling of alcoholics or drug abusers -- as a sign of weakness, corruption, and cravenness on Franklin Roosevelt’s part, and was as despised as Eleanor Roosevelt was feared, resented and hated by them.
And while most subsequent First Lady’s adopted/adapted the Eleanor Roosevelt model (although Bess Truman is best remembered for being “not Eleanor Roosevelt”), Hillary Clinton represents the first truly “post-women’s liberation” First Lady. Roosevelt and her successors adopted “causes” and “stood in for” their husbands as a representative of the Office of President. Hillary Clinton didn’t adopt causes, she took on issues, and wasn’t just a “stand in” for Bill Clinton, but his alter ego -- she represented The President.
Just as Eleanor Roosevelt was hated by millions because she represented the changing role of women, and just as Franklin Roosevelt was equally despised for his role as her “enabler”, so too are Hillary and Bill Clinton hated. It has nothing to do with policies, or politics – it’s a visceral reaction to avatars of change in the relationship between men and women.
As a result, Hillary Clinton is constantly criticized for showing traits that would be considered admirable in a man.
Hillary Clinton isn’t just “ambitious”, she is “too ambitious.” Nevermind the fact that she had spent 14 years in Washington, including 6 years in the Senate, before announcing for President, while Obama spent only two years in D.C. as a Senator before he announced, and is seldom described as “too ambitious.” Clinton “has spent the last seven years running for President”, a fact that is equally (if not more) true of John McCain, but no one seems to mention that McCain has had his own eye on the Presidency since at least 1999.
Hillary Clinton isn’t “smart,” she’s “too calculating.” She isn’t “assertive,” she’s “too controlling.” Clinton doesn’t “compromise,” she “betrays her principles.” And Hillary Clinton is incapable of righteous anger; instead, she is “shrill.”
And, of course, she’s a “bitch”. Even John McCain wouldn't deny that, would he?
And all this happens because Hillary Clinton isn’t just “a woman”, she is a symbol of the true equality for women that the women’s liberation movement sought to achieve, and as such represents a major threat to the subconscious assumption underlying male dominance of society.
As a woman, she isn’t equal TO men, she is equal WITH men; Hillary Clinton represents the rejection of “maleness” as the yardstick by which women are judged. And the moment the word “co-president” was uttered, Hillary Clinton became a threat to everything that men believe on a subconscious level about the “natural order of things”and the subconscious male assumption that men have the right to BESTOW equality upon women, and define the terms under which “equality” is exercised.
But perhaps Clinton’s biggest “crime” is her refusal to project any sense of sexual availability to men. By not engaging in “sexual politics”, by playing games of flirtation and seduction expected/demanded of women who seek power, she represents a threat to the very core of male identity itself, and a threat to core identity of many women as well.
Hillary Clinton’s gender is an issue, not just a factor, because she is no different from any male politician. She is no more (and no less) deserving, no more (and no less) ambitious, no more (and no less) “unprincipled”. It is her very demand that she be treated equally WITH men that makes it acceptable to talk about, describe, and attack her in ways that people in the media would never consider talking about a man.
Ultimately, the way in which people feel free to talk about Hillary Clinton is their way of asserting that women are "different" from men, and must be treated differently, and it is Clinton’s insistence upon equal treatment that makes it acceptable to establish that “difference” in negative terms.
The male-dominated media’s treatment of Clinton feeds into every fear that men (and many women) have of true female equality, and not merely allows sexism and misogyny to thrive, but practically demands it. And the huge differences between how men and women vote for Clinton and Obama – two remarkably similar politicians who are both overwhelmingly different from John McCain – shows that the demand is being met.
[Cross-posted at Corrente.]
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DEZ!
Where to start with some of the arguments presented.
Give me a moment
wow
My eyes were opened when I read King of the Mountain—The Nature of Political Leadership by Arnold M. Ludwig in 2002. Ludgig studied ALL leaders of all countries in the 20th century. The short version was alpha male. The power of that factor varied according to the type of leadership, and in democracy it was less prevalent than in other forms (esp. visionary, meaning attempt to change all of society, as in Hitler, Stahlin, Pol Pot), buyt still dominant. Women accounted for about 2% of all leaders and about 3/4 of those were daughters of or wives of. That’s when I knew Hillary had no chance in the U.S.
No, HRC’s biggest “crime” is her willingness to trash any and all comers on her way to her mission to be Prez. If we lose to McCain in November, it will be directly traceable back to her attacks on Obama now.
Her “stock” with the Democratic party will be lower than Ralph Nader’s. I guess she can be comfortable with the money she gets from her 2nd and last Senate term and Bill’s speaking fees. And her 109 million.
Yeah, I’m stuck. too many and i have no idea where to start so i’ll go with what you said (albeit with al little embellishment)
wow.just.wow
im a woman,and i dont really give as fig,about who is lying to me,and insulting my intellect…Hillary and the other Republicans do it endlessly,its like a gender free pastime
So any opposition to Hillary is soley based on sexism?
Thanks for such a clear and unemotional take on an issue that can be difficult to present or discuss.
Supporters of both Dem candidates can become somewhat defensive if they either sexism or racism is brought up even if you aren’t attacking their candidate and all you want to do is to talk about how these issues are being played out in the media. Thank you for such a great article.
Interesting post.
If an equally qualified woman, other than Clinton, was running right now, I wonder if the treatment would be different…
The Rush Limbaugh crowd tried to destroy her 24/7 during the ’90’s, and much of the sentiment that they created lingers on..she can do nothing right in their minds. They successfully painted her with all of the slurs noted in the post. I think much of what we are seeing is particularly a Hillary Clinton phenomena, not necessarily as generally sexist as it appears. JMHO
I don’t disagree with Paul here. As I said at the end of the last thread, I know of several rethugs (actually, effectively all of the rethugs I’m conversant with) who viscerally hate Senator Clinton. They dislike and fear Senator Obama, and I think deep down they can’t really accept that the Democrats would put forward an African-American candidate, but they don’t viscerally abhor the ground he steps on. They do, Hillary. I’m not commenting here on the the relative merits of either candidate, nor am I talking about their portrayal in the media, but I am merely saying that there exists a contingent of rethugs who just irrationally hate “that woman” (with an epithet often inserted between those two words, for effect). And I do believe that her gender does have something to do with it, as well as the fact that, in their eyes, she stands for everything that they despise: Bill Clinton, “Kennedy values”, big cities, limousine libruls, whatever.
hey if Elizabeth Edwards were running,id sign up to be her gopher anytime
There you go.
in their eyes, she stands for everything that they despise: Bill Clinton, “Kennedy values”, big cities, limousine libruls, whatever.
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hmmmmmmmmm,i dont feel this is so
*full disclosure* I don’t hate Hillary, I just prefer the other candidate and this preference does not make me any less a feminist, it does not make me a sexist
In other words, there’s a reason why black men got the vote decades before women of any color. Sexism is much more prevalent than reacism.
Yeah, but i must admit I’m a michelle obama fan (i’ve said that i think the wrong obama was running *g*)
Other than representing the worst president ever in the history of this country and the blowback that would occur….the GOP would have no problem nominating Condi Rice….and they might do it anyway…If they do, they will vote in lockstep, and it won’t matter one iota whether she’s a woman or not.
if Hill was honest,…………”she would have had me at hello”
How much do you know about Michelle Obama?
I think she would. First off, the “trailblazers” like Roosevelt and Clinton always bear the brunt of the resistence to change.
Secondly, the reaction to Hillary wasn’t just about her being a woman who sought power, but of being a woman who was represented as an equal partner with (not “to”) a man who had assumed the authority that of the Presidency that was regarded as some kind of male birthright. In other words, its not her gender that defines her, its what she representes in terms of the relationship between the genders that defines her.
on paper they had the right to vote but in practice that didn’t come into fruition (in the south)until the civil rights movement.
but i’m not about to pit the two against each other as that is the height of silly. both are deplorable. now while I will admit that it is socially more acceptable to be sexist, one is not worse than the other
yea that was 100 years ago,i dont think with men depending on womans incomes now,that it applies now
Quite a bit actually.
I strongly disagree. Sexism is in the genes & won’t be resolved by women providing income.
Do tell, including where & how you acquired your information.
we will agree to disagree,or maybe im naiveve,but i hangout with 4legged critters,not 2..”g”
try to disconnect yourself from your obama fever, and understand that this isn’t about preferring Obama to Clinton, its about preferring Obama to McCain, while preferring McCain to Clinton. And its about how in general women who support Obama don’t switch to McCain when its McCain v Clinton.
full biography, professional life?
Well, many 4 legged critters much more sexist than humans, so I wonder why you do not make that connection.
i don’t have obama fever. if you would like to have a discussion, quite with the insults.
actually this might be the root cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primogeniture
I remember how hated Elenaor was. Other than my parents, I never heard anyone say anything good about her. She was the object of ridicule with kids laughing at her physical appearance and her voice. No matter what this woman did she was wrong. Still, she resigned from Daughters of the American Revolution in 1939 in support of African American opera singer Marian Anderson.
God forbid that Eleanor should be a role model for us young girls. We needed to know our place. Here is a young beautiful Marian Anderson:
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/tmirhfee.html
Since such time, Eleanor was used as an example of how NOT to be a First Lady. She was about issues and challengd traditional prejudices. So many First ladies have been insipid until Hillary and Jackie was truly her own woman though the Kennedy clan hands pressed down on her.
yea,but its reversed
I’m curious when people say they admire public figures, why they say that and where they got their information that led to that conclusion. I’m just trying to get a feel on what basis you admire Michelle Obama.
That’s a result, not a cause.
general info from various blogs and interview pieces (here in the u.s. but also UK and brasil)
professional from a few black political blogs. I would have to go find them again.
i agree,id LOVE to see a woman canidate,and support her to the hilt,not this woman,who voted for war,and wants war in Iran imo
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Citizen Lukasiak:
Oh PaulPaulPaulPaul…NOOO dear, this Hilary basher ain’t frightened of Mrs. ClintoMcCain’s gender, I’m dead set against her POLITICS or lack of politics. In fact, her behavior durin’ this campaign should have enlightened intelligent folks on the left and in the middle (wherever that is) that she and her husband are completely and totally on the payroll of the very forces that tried to destroy ‘em in the 8 years from 1992-2000. We are at the end of history with a terrible beast of economic collapse and social disintegration lickin’ it’s chops outside the door and the best we ken do is try and sift through the tea leaves and contemplate the “data” ta try and understand whether or not racism or sexism is gunna kill the Democratic candidate.
Good Lord man,find another argument. Nobody is gunna intimidate me into supportin’ Mrs. ClintoMcCain by cryin’ “sexism”…quite the contrary. The “data” say that racism and sexism are both factors and issues in this election. Good Christ, I coulda toldja that a few weeks ago and saved ya a lotta unnecessary number-crunchin’ but it’s inconsequential, it don’t mean nuthin’…Mrs. ClintoMcCain would be a another Bush in drag and would spell the end of the Democratic Party. End of argument…that ain’t “sexist” that’s jest a fact, Jack!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU SLING THAT SHIT!!
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I’m just wondering why Clinton is still in the race. She can count as well as anyone and the math says the Democratic nominee is going to be Obama. I do not think it qualifies as a winning strategy to need the equivalent of a Hail Mary pass, followed by a 2 point conversion, an onside kick, another Hail Mary, and another 2 point conversion to win. So what does prolonging the primary campaign accomplish? What do her ongoing criticisms of Obama do, other than help out John McCain? Why is she doing this?
Did I say admire? i like her (which is what I mean by fan) but I would not characterize it as admiration. i like her views on education and family. I like that she is outspoken.
yup
In fact, her behavior durin’ this campaign should have enlightened intelligent folks on the left and in the middle (wherever that is) that she and her husband are completely and totally on the payroll of the very forces that tried to destroy ‘em in the 8 years from 1992-2000
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they joined THE VAST RIGHTWING COSPIRACY
I see and hear the hatred and sexism towards Hillary. She and I do not see eye to eye
on issues at all. As a woman for president, Hillary is not my choice. She is too much in the NeoCon camp with all their corporate and lobby buddies. My values are so different from hers.
Oh how I wish…..
Primogeniture is a result of alpha male syndrome, not a cause.
i admire,both of them ,they dont seem jaded yet
McCain and Clinton both suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome.
McCain also suffers from the Stupid Syndrome.
lol
well yes,but as it is defined in money and power
hahahahahhaha
stupid stockholm syndrome…thats very bad indeed…”g”
Paul, I understand your points, but after seeing the gun-toting-whiskey-swilling-duck-hunting Hillary over the last few weeks, I’m afraid she’s being sexist to herself and I’m also afraid she might shove a loaf of bread down her pants to…you know…impress the boys some more. LOL!
I can’t stand the fact that Hillary now lowers her voice like she’s a little girl who is afraid to ask her husband for a glass of milk while sitting at the dinner table.
I don’t see or view Hillary as a feminist any longer. Not sure why I did to be honest with you.
Anyways, I appreciate the points in your great post. Thank you.
Here’s the problem I see in the article, which might have inspired what it did from Wobblybits. You assert that to “hate Hillary and Bill” has “nothing to do with policies or politics.” That means if one’s dislike, or even hate, stems from their policies or politics (and as you know from this morning, I’ve got some serious issues with her politics) then it’s a visceral reaction to that changing relationship, hence you must be sexist.
That “nothing” becomes very restrictive, and you are using it to paint people who don’t support her into your interpretation of their reasons. You’re cutting off dialog with that “nothing” because if I don’t agree with you about Hillary, then I’m just a sexist. You then compound it by telling Wobbly to let go of the “Obama” fever.
I think you’ve got something valid to say here. I think that sexism is prevalent, it’s insidious, and it’s accepted in ways that we as a people haven’t overcome.
But since I don’t agree with you that YOUR candidate should be THE candidate, I’m just fevered and delusional, as well as sexist. Is that what you were trying to accomplish?
so true,she did not take Polonius’s advice….to thine ownself be true
i don’t know enough about them to say admire, i can only say that I respect or like their stances on particular issues. I do think that Michelle has to deal with the whole strong black woman/angry black woman characterization whenever she makes a strong statement about things (well at least that was my perception at the parsing of her ‘proud of my country’ comment)
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Citizen Hugh:
“I’m just wondering why Clinton is still in the race. She can couhnt as well as anyone…”
Why indeed??!!! Could it be that she really DOES think that John McCain would be better’n a progressive Democrat??!! God…save us from “liberal” angst and just believe what she says, confirm it with what she does and look at where she gets the money to do it!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE HAVE MET ANOTHER ONE OF THE ENEMY AND SHE AIN’T US!!
I think the only first lady between Jackie and Hillary that comes close to being “insipid” was Pat Nixon — and to me she’s always been a tragic figure rather than an insipid one. Lady Bird Johnson was no wallflower–and can be given more than a little credit for the modern environmental movement, Betty Ford took on addiction and helped change our perception of addicts from people of poor character to people suffering from a debilitating illness, Roslyn Carter was probably the most influential “behind the scenes” First Lady since Edith Wilson (and she practically defined the term “Steel Magnolia”). And Nancy Reagan and Barbara Bush, although I’m not a big fan of theirs, can’t really be described as insipid either.
Laura Bush can, but she’s post-Hillary, and in many ways the modern Bess Truman — he biggest “accomplishment” has been not being her predecessor.
Exactly. I would have loved to have seen a strong feminine Hillary over the past few weeks/months, but instead, we get a woman who thinks she has to be one of the boys to get them to like her. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Makes me cringe.
What would be the qualities the First Woman President would have? I learned from Carole Ruth Silver and Dianne Feinstein that you just don’t elect any woman because of her gender. You just end up with a hard core male dressed up like a woman. I do want a female perspective.
paul says–But perhaps Clinton’s biggest “crime” is her refusal to project any sense of sexual availability to men. By not engaging in “sexual politics”, by playing games of flirtation and seduction expected/demanded of women who seek power, she represents a threat to the very core of male identity itself, and a threat to core identity of many women as well.
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yep, she doesn’t titilate emotionally or physically, ’cold fish’ ie bit*h. but a man doing the same thing, not ’cold fish’.
man smiles and acts cool, calm and collected, is considered warm and fuzzy, when he didn’t do or say anything emotionally or physically.
woman smiles and acts cool, calm and collected, not doing anything emotionally or physically, cold fish.
woman titilates only intelectually, robot-cold.
man titilates only intellectually, he’s a genius.
and the last part that paul stated–the threat to core identity of women—the ones that use titilation usually don’t like women who make an affect intellectually without using titilation…..
and people act like it is not going on, usually the ones using the means described above.
happens in every walk of life, even happens on blogs. i watch women resort to it all of the time instead of making their point.
titilate, and people will follow……..trippin’ over each other.
don’t titilate-well, i guess you prefer quality over quantity.
i don’t have a problem with any of these means when someone is upfront in using them, but the ones that do it and deny it? well, there’s a word for it-superficial.
: )
I don’t believe I can be objective with this issue. This has been an excellent series of articles. I don’t like nor want Hillary Clinton as my president for myriad reasons that have NOTHING to do with her body parts. I am a middle aged wh9te woman who REMEMBERS the Clinton Administration, and i do NOT like how she’s run her campaign, again, for MYRIAD reasons. She cares more about what feels like her “coronation” than about the people of this country. So I can’t and won’t participate further in this discussion.
BUT,
it’s a well written and thought out and educational series of articles, none the less.
earlier today, I (as an Obama supporter) was characterized as delusional.
Thank you and yes that is what elicited my comment. I just wanted to give full disclosure so that it was clear that my selection was not based on this ‘clinton hate’ but rather on issues. To extrapolate that, maybe that is why many others have thrown their support behind other candidates. I never was dismissing the existence of sexism, rather that it is not the only factor in either lack of support or even why people dislike her (to extrapolate a bit more)
The hostility towards Hillary Clinton is not comparable to the hostility shown to Eleanor Roosevelt. I dislike the Clintons, inter alia, because they are liars and have run a racist campaign. Eleanor Roosevelt actually cared for but was disliked by the antisemetic power structure in place in her generation both inside and outside the democratic party. Unlike the Clintons Eleanor Roosevelt appealed to thoughtful and educated women, not the barbi doll knee jerk feminism relied upon by the Clintons in “appealing” to uneducated older women. Not the Eleanor Roosevelt constituency, to say the least. Hillary Clinton does not deserve to be compared favorably to Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Citizen Hugh:
And one more thing…how dare you compare Mrs. ClintoMcCain to Elenor Roosevelt??!!! Mrs. Roosevelt is an icon in our household and I grew up listenin’ ta my mother and father BOTH talk about her in her own right when talkin’ about the 30’s and survivin’ the last great fascist assault on our way of life. Mrs. ClintoMcCain couldn’t hold up Mrs. Roosevelt’s nylons!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND GETCHER HANDS OFFA MY HISTORY!!
Lol, in rare form today my friend.
So…as a man, I can’t oppose Hillary without being labeled a sexist? Gotcha.
Of course sexism exists, but it’s the least of HRC’s problems. Enough of this “poor Hillary” crap.
ER is one of my all time heros………it developed slowly,she BECAME a great woman…”person”
me too”g”
You have facebook message.
She is my hero too. Remember she said, do something each day which scares you or words to that effect.
i’m all for having a ‘discusion’ but I will not participate in poo flinging or insults (personal characterizations, etc.). I’m still waiting for you to address my comment.
the subject is Hillary hatred. I started out this campaign as “anyone but Hillary” myself, but I’ve never despised her the way that we’ve already seen in the comments here. Its a level of visceral hatred that goes beyond mere opposition to her policies. You can oppose Hillary without that kind of reaction — in fact, most of the progressives I know who now support her didn’t want her to be the nominee originally. To us, she’s just the better of two bad choices.
well, wobbly’s first substantive comment was “So any opposition to Hillary is soley based on sexism?”, I ignored it. But if you are going to be an idiot, don’t do it repeatedly. I will eventually react.
Tom65, if you’re opposing her because she has fat ankles, then yes…we can call you a sexist. If you are opposing her because of her actions in her campaign and because you don’t agree with her on certain issues, then no, I don’t think anyone here would call you a sexist. I use the same criteria for all candidates running and so far…Obama has a B+ which is way higher than the score of Hillary & Felon McCrazy.
i’m off to read
yes,she was antisemitic,till she became a statesperson,she had to learn…she was an elite…she became everyman,not like the creepy/monarchlike Bushies
Lukasiak, do you believe that Hillary is a gun-toting-whiskey-swilling-duck hunting-one-of-the-boys candidate? If so, then you have the problem, not us. Just saying.
Power in the hands of a woman can be just a lethal as a man if the person has no strength in values they are true to. I don’t believe a woman leader has to emulate the (good ole) boys (different connotation from the comment made to Obama).
I’ve observed Hillary for a long time and she reveals her lack of solid self-awareness. This was something I admired about John Edwards and Elizabeth is truly worthy of the title “straight talker”.
I also see the mean-spirited crowd who would be putting Elizabeth Edwards through the same thing because she is a strong woman. I don’t want to support this prejudice either. I also want to recognize it. It will come up again at some other time.
I recognize Hillary is getting a whole lot of sexist hate dumped on her. She is not my choice for President. The two can be true.
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Oh my…I’m so mad I think I may have a stroke jest ta keep from havin a heart attack!! I gotta work tanight so I gotta sleep a bit…please folks, no more posts comarin’ Mrs. ClintoMcCain to Elenor Roosevelt!
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE PRIZE AND STOP BEATIN YERSELF UP!!
he subject is Hillary hatred. I started out this campaign as “anyone but Hillary” myself, but I’ve never despised her the way that we’ve already seen in the comments here. Its a level of visceral hatred that goes beyond mere opposition to her policies. You can oppose Hillary without that kind of reaction — in fact, most of the progressives I know who now support her didn’t want her to be the nominee originally. To us, she’s just the better of two bad choices.
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I AM VISCERALLY against anymore preEmptive war,or these ocupations…i can not tell you HOW STRO0NGLY!!!!!
Kay - I understand and appreciate your position, but the unspoken point of this entry is to imply that HRC’s problems can be laid at the feet of sexist males who oppose her purely on gender issues, when nothing could be further from the truth (at least among Dems).
The ugly undercurrent of HRC’s entire candidacy has been that women MUST vote for her because she’s a woman, and men must do so out of a sense of obligation. I’m tired of it.
Now I’m an idiot? Intolerance much?
You have mail
Thank you. Oh, and that she’s “inevitable” and “owed” the job.
The Clintons do not have any policies as such. Politics is a lifetime business for them, money, power etc. It is simple and true and sad.
I don’t see “visceral hatred” of Clinton. I just see that term used to anyone who doesn’t want her for president, and then the barrage of sexism charges. I WOULD LOVE to have a woman president. Hell, I BURNED BRAS! Just NOT THIS WOMAN.
what precisely is your point? That Clinton does the same things that male candidates do to show that she relates to certain constituencies, but because she’s a woman that she’s not allowed?
I think Clinton’s “gun toting” is about as relevant as Obama’s bowling… in other words, not the least bit relevant to whether or not he’d make a good president.
And I find it worrisome that so many Obama supporters are willing to criticize Hillary Clinton for “gun toting”, when their candidate little “bowling” episode isn’t seen as something that is somehow disqualifying. Its an irrational, complete and absolute double standard that I am not used to seeing in progressives.
“If she “acts like a woman” and shows emotion, it becomes a topic for endless media discussion and speculation”
I don’t understand this often repeated phrase “‘acts like a woman’ and shows emotion”
McCain doesn’t show emotion when he explodes into one of his insane tantrums or buries his face in W.’s pit? Cheney doesn’t show emotion when he screams “fuck you” at an opponent or when being questioned about shooting his friend in the face with a shotgun? W doesn’t show emotion when he mocks others, speaks contemptuously of others, or belittles those who disagree with him?
So what is it? What are these people talking about when they speak this way? Crying? Crying isn’t an emotion it is an expression of a feeling. Is it really about which emotions are expressed? It’s okay to be insanely angry, but not sad or truly compassionate?
John McCain supports President Bush’s policy of torturing human beings.
John McCain:
Worse than Bush
you are a sensitive,wunnerful pup imo
yes………….NO MORE WAR,read the reports Hillary
So my asking a question and then making a comment (respectful at that) earns being called an idiot? I will not return insult in kind. but if you want to discuss the context of my comments, I’m happy to do so
“So any opposition to Hillary is soley based on sexism?”
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Ding. That is total condescending, patronizing crap.
I agree with you on the self-awareness thing. Without it, one looks and acts like a robot who has to be what others want he or she to be. Hillary is definitely like that, whereas, Elizabeth Edwards has that inner self-confidence that shines through and can be feminine at the same time. Elizabeth Kucinich is the same way. Hillary? Again, her recent actions tells me she has no idea who she really is inside and is reaching out to people who hate her guts to make herself feel better! Good gawd. *slapping forehead* That would be like me suddenly telling my right wing neighbors that I’m going to start blowing up abortion clinics so they’ll like me.
If John McCrazy suddenly started acting like a liberal by hugging trees and eating cheese (yes I know…not all liberals do that! Just using it as an example to make my point), I would understand why his party members would suddenly start going after him. This is what is happening to Hillary. She can’t see it and I can’t understand why her supporters don’t and why they call us sexist when we point this stuff out to them.
forgive me,cause it all BS,we want change,not politics as usual
obrigada (thanks)
I know politickin’ when I see it, yadda yadda. I personally don’t really care for any of our ‘chosen’ candidates.
The flip flopping around I have seen By Mrs. Clinton on the other hand, leaves me very suspicious and her record speaks for itself.
I don’t feel the need to bring up sexism or racism in this election but it’s there. I would like to see the Republicans get buried, thats what I’m after.
I’m tired of it too Tom. I was for Kucinich originally, you know, the guy with the pointy ears who was “too short to be president”. LOL I didn’t care what he looked like, but I loved all of his positions.
just my humble opine
You’re not an idiot. ;-)
i really wish Hillary would have just stuck to the facts
and TWEETY is still a doofus