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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Talking Head Thread: April 13, 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386856</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Note to self: Tomorrow, come back and check of any of today’s discussionators ever discovered they were shouting bl**dy mudder at eachother all day and yet they were basically agreeing in principle, if not on every blanketyblank detail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Self respect relies to large degree on the ability to respect others.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to self: Tomorrow, come back and check of any of today’s discussionators ever discovered they were shouting bl**dy mudder at eachother all day and yet they were basically agreeing in principle, if not on every blanketyblank detail.</p>
<p>Self respect relies to large degree on the ability to respect others.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386849</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Goodgawd you folks just wanna put words in other people’s columns and then go and pick on em for what YOU said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll say it once v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I described what I think some extremely bad journalists do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NOwhere did I condone that which they do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe &lt;strike&gt;many&lt;/strike&gt; most of them are willingly allowing themselves to be used as shills, for whatever reasons.  I’m not inside their minds.  I don’t know why each of them acts in such a shoddy manner.  I just know increasing numbers of people who call themselves journalists are doing a disgustingly bad job, and not worthy of the title.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good night and good luck.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;May you sleep well and awake refreshed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P E A C E&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodgawd you folks just wanna put words in other people’s columns and then go and pick on em for what YOU said.</p>
<p>I’ll say it once v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y.</p>
<p>I described what I think some extremely bad journalists do.</p>
<p>NOwhere did I condone that which they do.</p>
<p>I believe <strike>many</strike> most of them are willingly allowing themselves to be used as shills, for whatever reasons.  I’m not inside their minds.  I don’t know why each of them acts in such a shoddy manner.  I just know increasing numbers of people who call themselves journalists are doing a disgustingly bad job, and not worthy of the title.</p>
<p>Good night and good luck.</p>
<p>May you sleep well and awake refreshed.</p>
<p>P E A C E</p>
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		<title>By: MarktheSpark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386657</link>
		<dc:creator>MarktheSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Juno at 240: “Seh (sic) had to make that vote.” Just doing her job, eh, like some good Germans back in the early 40s? AUMF is for “Authorization of the Use of Military Force”– you can’t vote for that and then say you opposed the war. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John Edwards at least had the decency to apologize for his pandering, cowardly vote. SHillary continues to tout her “experience” &amp; “judgment”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But thanks for your 100% support for her pro-war vote (&amp; your praise of pandering– SHillary doesn’t believe that moronic “Gods &amp; Guns” shite she’s blathering, but hey, it appeals to the lizard brains so it’s okay). But since you support her vote= support the Glorious War, I have as little inclination to seriously listen to you as to Wm. “the Bloody” Kristol, McCain, LIEberman or any other of the war criminal NeoCons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juno at 240: “Seh (sic) had to make that vote.” Just doing her job, eh, like some good Germans back in the early 40s? AUMF is for “Authorization of the Use of Military Force”– you can’t vote for that and then say you opposed the war. </p>
<p>John Edwards at least had the decency to apologize for his pandering, cowardly vote. SHillary continues to tout her “experience” &amp; “judgment”. </p>
<p>But thanks for your 100% support for her pro-war vote (&amp; your praise of pandering– SHillary doesn’t believe that moronic “Gods &amp; Guns” shite she’s blathering, but hey, it appeals to the lizard brains so it’s okay). But since you support her vote= support the Glorious War, I have as little inclination to seriously listen to you as to Wm. “the Bloody” Kristol, McCain, LIEberman or any other of the war criminal NeoCons.</p>
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		<title>By: Bushsucks12</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386591</link>
		<dc:creator>Bushsucks12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama knows bitter….He is married to Michele!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama knows bitter….He is married to Michele!</p>
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		<title>By: Coop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386570</link>
		<dc:creator>Coop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, and…? That’s all well and good, Adie, but Stephanopoulos ain’t supposed to be a dimwitted demagogue like Dobbs and the fact that “everybody does it” is just another Nuremberg Defense for media incompetence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The likes of Russert and Stephanopoulos and Schieffer letting these schmucks steal the 2000 Election and lie us into Iraq are a big part of  why we’re in this fix in the first place. Their collective failure to do due diligence allowed these cretins to cheney this thing up in the first place and I’m just not gonna give them any more free passes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and…? That’s all well and good, Adie, but Stephanopoulos ain’t supposed to be a dimwitted demagogue like Dobbs and the fact that “everybody does it” is just another Nuremberg Defense for media incompetence.</p>
<p>The likes of Russert and Stephanopoulos and Schieffer letting these schmucks steal the 2000 Election and lie us into Iraq are a big part of  why we’re in this fix in the first place. Their collective failure to do due diligence allowed these cretins to cheney this thing up in the first place and I’m just not gonna give them any more free passes.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386520</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suppose they’re issued a list of questions, but they are programmed not to react to the answers.  They just blindly go on to the next thing on their list. Then into commercials a couple more times, some chit chat &amp; small talk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then they walk out and collect a nice fat check for doing what they are told to do.  Think?  Not much if at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not just Stephanopoulos.  Last night I heard Dobbs hold forth on his infamous fence-out-all-the-brown idea, refuse to hold a dialog with his guest concerning related problems and concerns (e.g., run the fence right through graveyards also?  churches and schools? rivers?…).  Dobbs refused to budge from the dang fence and talk about ANYTHING else.  It is and apparently will always be his one and only tune.  He ended the show red in the face and shouting at his “guest”, but his demeanor indicated he thought of himself as being noble, not the stupid, ignorant, racist bully that came across the wires to our tv.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They just don’t “get it”, and apparently their employers want it to stay that way.  Those who don’t follow the red marker get flagged and fired.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There used to be integrity in journalism.  Now, not so much.  It doesn’t pay.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose they’re issued a list of questions, but they are programmed not to react to the answers.  They just blindly go on to the next thing on their list. Then into commercials a couple more times, some chit chat &amp; small talk.</p>
<p>Then they walk out and collect a nice fat check for doing what they are told to do.  Think?  Not much if at all.</p>
<p>It’s not just Stephanopoulos.  Last night I heard Dobbs hold forth on his infamous fence-out-all-the-brown idea, refuse to hold a dialog with his guest concerning related problems and concerns (e.g., run the fence right through graveyards also?  churches and schools? rivers?…).  Dobbs refused to budge from the dang fence and talk about ANYTHING else.  It is and apparently will always be his one and only tune.  He ended the show red in the face and shouting at his “guest”, but his demeanor indicated he thought of himself as being noble, not the stupid, ignorant, racist bully that came across the wires to our tv.</p>
<p>They just don’t “get it”, and apparently their employers want it to stay that way.  Those who don’t follow the red marker get flagged and fired.</p>
<p>There used to be integrity in journalism.  Now, not so much.  It doesn’t pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Coop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386408</link>
		<dc:creator>Coop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In addition to just generally lying his ass off, HADLEY FLAT OUT CONFUSED NEPAL WITH TIBET ON THIS WEEK AND STEPHAOPOULOS LET IT SLIDE WITHOUT BATTING AN EYE, LIFTING A FINGER OR SAYING A WORD ABOUT IT. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Check the tape. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t seen word one about it. What’s the deal with these schmucks!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to just generally lying his ass off, HADLEY FLAT OUT CONFUSED NEPAL WITH TIBET ON THIS WEEK AND STEPHAOPOULOS LET IT SLIDE WITHOUT BATTING AN EYE, LIFTING A FINGER OR SAYING A WORD ABOUT IT. </p>
<p>Check the tape. </p>
<p>I haven’t seen word one about it. What’s the deal with these schmucks!!</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/sunday-talking-head-thread-april-13-2008/#comment-1386402</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to confess my own brand of guilt.  I have been avoiding the telly like the plague, just because of all the nonsense I know is going on.  NONE of the nastiness takes away, for me, that simple 2 worded comment of yours:&lt;br /&gt;
“Supreme Court”.  That says it all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel a little trapped in that I really wanted Edwards, and now it’s Obama that we’re backing, but that’s fine.  And I WILL readily accept Clinton if she’s the winning candidate for the national.  I’ve done what I can in the primary.  I have heard the Repug-talking-points and recognize them, AND warn others about them - in specific terms.  I will NOT use them.  I also do not feel I must subject myself to them endlessly; if I did, I’d go truly mad, and I already feel halfway there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By avoiding immersing myself in the slime-soup of day-to-day mis-steps by exhausted candidates and their equally driven staffs, repeated endlessly through the MSM megaphone, I am rendered rather ignorant and vulnerable during FDL “discussions”, rather than being up to speed on every little bobble like so many here at the Lake.  It’s the only way I can get through this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I should add, though, that I am rather active passing along excellent links to those of our acquaintances that I know probably would otherwise miss them.  It’s surprising how many people we meet who, within their extended families and circles of “friends”, co-workers, etc., have to deal with junk straight out of the repugspinmachine.  I mainline them “ammunition” from FDL, Greenwald, etc. and they seem grateful.  I take hope from the fact that so many of these people are just as angry and frustrated as we are, and are very eager to get this real information with which to combat the swift-boat-brand spin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My weakness of choice: every once in a great while, I like to tune in to hear Pattycake Buchanan whine his miserable little dried-up heart out on the telly.  He makes me smile.  In my mind any way, he does nothing but advance OUR cause every time he cowers and whimpers like that.  His misery index translates into a handy barometer for boosting my hope.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even David Brooks, crafty as he is, nevertheless is losing his mojo for real, I do believe.  He likes to pretend to be humble and fearful, even weak, but of course that’s been a ruse in the past.  No more.  I think he’s really scared.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if we can just keep junior &amp; shooter nervous, but not terrified to the point of blowing the bejeebers out of the planet in their growing panic, we may just have some pieces left to pick up and salvage, and a healthy Democratic margin with which to do so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thankyou for all that you do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P E A C E&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to confess my own brand of guilt.  I have been avoiding the telly like the plague, just because of all the nonsense I know is going on.  NONE of the nastiness takes away, for me, that simple 2 worded comment of yours:<br />
“Supreme Court”.  That says it all.</p>
<p>I feel a little trapped in that I really wanted Edwards, and now it’s Obama that we’re backing, but that’s fine.  And I WILL readily accept Clinton if she’s the winning candidate for the national.  I’ve done what I can in the primary.  I have heard the Repug-talking-points and recognize them, AND warn others about them &#8211; in specific terms.  I will NOT use them.  I also do not feel I must subject myself to them endlessly; if I did, I’d go truly mad, and I already feel halfway there.</p>
<p>By avoiding immersing myself in the slime-soup of day-to-day mis-steps by exhausted candidates and their equally driven staffs, repeated endlessly through the MSM megaphone, I am rendered rather ignorant and vulnerable during FDL “discussions”, rather than being up to speed on every little bobble like so many here at the Lake.  It’s the only way I can get through this.</p>
<p>I should add, though, that I am rather active passing along excellent links to those of our acquaintances that I know probably would otherwise miss them.  It’s surprising how many people we meet who, within their extended families and circles of “friends”, co-workers, etc., have to deal with junk straight out of the repugspinmachine.  I mainline them “ammunition” from FDL, Greenwald, etc. and they seem grateful.  I take hope from the fact that so many of these people are just as angry and frustrated as we are, and are very eager to get this real information with which to combat the swift-boat-brand spin.</p>
<p>My weakness of choice: every once in a great while, I like to tune in to hear Pattycake Buchanan whine his miserable little dried-up heart out on the telly.  He makes me smile.  In my mind any way, he does nothing but advance OUR cause every time he cowers and whimpers like that.  His misery index translates into a handy barometer for boosting my hope.  </p>
<p>Even David Brooks, crafty as he is, nevertheless is losing his mojo for real, I do believe.  He likes to pretend to be humble and fearful, even weak, but of course that’s been a ruse in the past.  No more.  I think he’s really scared.</p>
<p>Now, if we can just keep junior &amp; shooter nervous, but not terrified to the point of blowing the bejeebers out of the planet in their growing panic, we may just have some pieces left to pick up and salvage, and a healthy Democratic margin with which to do so.</p>
<p>Thankyou for all that you do.</p>
<p>P E A C E</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And I think Obama is better suited but my stance is met with such anger and opposition from the Hillary supporters. See? It goes both ways. I see that it does, but I don’t see that you can see that. It’s the Hillary supporters who were outraged when Edwards &amp; Kucinich were out most of their supporters went to Obama instead of her. They made it into a woman’s issue when it clearly was not! I know you’re not going to believe this but there are many in this country who know that since 1980 we’ve had either a Bush or a Clinton in office and when given the chance, we’re not going to support either one. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was Hillary who said Obama didn’t have the experience to lead this nation, but what has her experience gotten her? A war in Iraq that is costly our nation billions a week and a campaign that is hell bent on using right wing dirty politics! No thanks. Tired of that shit. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again, you can support Hillary now and if she gets on the ballot for November. Me? Not going to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I think Obama is better suited but my stance is met with such anger and opposition from the Hillary supporters. See? It goes both ways. I see that it does, but I don’t see that you can see that. It’s the Hillary supporters who were outraged when Edwards &amp; Kucinich were out most of their supporters went to Obama instead of her. They made it into a woman’s issue when it clearly was not! I know you’re not going to believe this but there are many in this country who know that since 1980 we’ve had either a Bush or a Clinton in office and when given the chance, we’re not going to support either one. </p>
<p>It was Hillary who said Obama didn’t have the experience to lead this nation, but what has her experience gotten her? A war in Iraq that is costly our nation billions a week and a campaign that is hell bent on using right wing dirty politics! No thanks. Tired of that shit. </p>
<p>Again, you can support Hillary now and if she gets on the ballot for November. Me? Not going to.</p>
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		<title>By: boogiecheck</title>
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		<dc:creator>boogiecheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Did she stand up to the White House? Yes, I believe she did. She made clear, and SAID, she was not voting for war and that she wanted inspectors back in. She may have in fact stalled the war by doing so, trying to buy time and more evidence of no need to invade. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I recall very well my own horror at the coercion by Republicans and the public that was being placed on Congresspeople to vote in favor of that authorization. 70+% of the public was in favor of it. Hillary Clinton has been treated with more contempt and held to higher standards of explanation than has Bush! This makes no sense to me. Democrats always turn on their own.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hillary Clinton did not read the intelligence report on Iraq that stated Iraq was not a threat before voting to get us into war.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She’s a republican in Democrat clothing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did she stand up to the White House? Yes, I believe she did. She made clear, and SAID, she was not voting for war and that she wanted inspectors back in. She may have in fact stalled the war by doing so, trying to buy time and more evidence of no need to invade. </p>
<p>I recall very well my own horror at the coercion by Republicans and the public that was being placed on Congresspeople to vote in favor of that authorization. 70+% of the public was in favor of it. Hillary Clinton has been treated with more contempt and held to higher standards of explanation than has Bush! This makes no sense to me. Democrats always turn on their own.
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<p><strong>Hillary Clinton did not read the intelligence report on Iraq that stated Iraq was not a threat before voting to get us into war.</strong></p>
<p>She’s a republican in Democrat clothing.</p>
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