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	<title>Comments on: Deja Vu All Over Again? US v. Joseph Altstoetter</title>
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		<title>By: amilius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1387129</link>
		<dc:creator>amilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From the White House to the Hague.  Do not pass go.  Do not collect illegally gained profits.  How’s about we let jurists from Iraq decide an appropriate consequence.  Think of the fortune saved on Secret Service activities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the White House to the Hague.  Do not pass go.  Do not collect illegally gained profits.  How’s about we let jurists from Iraq decide an appropriate consequence.  Think of the fortune saved on Secret Service activities.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386756</link>
		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hell, Cheney SHOT A MAN and it blew over in, what?, a week ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not only that, the guy he shot apologized &lt;strong&gt;to him&lt;/strong&gt;, I guess for getting his face in the way!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Been watching ‘All Godfather, all the time’ on A&amp;E this weekend; Vito and Michael would be so proud of Darth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hell, Cheney SHOT A MAN and it blew over in, what?, a week ?</p>
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<p>Not only that, the guy he shot apologized <strong>to him</strong>, I guess for getting his face in the way!</p>
<p>Been watching ‘All Godfather, all the time’ on A&amp;E this weekend; Vito and Michael would be so proud of Darth.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386709</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not forgetting that wigwam&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am cross posting this over at wheel’s place but those of you that think they won’t get away with it are missing the point;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;alito and Roberts and Scala will say the president is correct, and what yoo said is correct, that is all that matters, popular belief, popular opinion, even the written law means absolutely nothing&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the more they are exposed, they more brazen they will become, they can only move forward&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it doesn’t matter that yoo’s opinion has been rebuked, refutiated, pulled, whatever, all that matters is that he was given a wink and a nod that his opinion will hold if brought before the scotus&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yoo must be disbarred, there is absolutely no other choice&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s what yoo wigwam and everyone else is missing;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we are playing by the rules and think the rules matter, they on the other hand have no rules&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they have the ring&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is the end of the trilogy and they are now lord of the ring&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what do I mean?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they can make, break, rewrite, and create from whole cloth any rule, any law, any presedent they want&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;imagine you and I are playing tennis and I not only have the official in my pocket but I don’t care what anyone thinks, nor does the official&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well, I am going to hit the ball on two bounces, the official will first claim it was one bounce, when he is shown the video tape that I hit the ball on two bounces he will say, “but I already ruled and what I ruled goes”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then, the next time I hit the ball on two bounces the official will say;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“well, he did it before, there is no reason I am going to stop him this time around”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they are making it up as they go, they are making it up as they need it made up, they are brazen, they are depraved, they are sociopaths&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the sociopathy they are demonstrating though is not that of someone born with the disorder, it is not chronic;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“it is because it is”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they aquired the power they have the power they are going to continue to use the power, it is what it is&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they are now the lord of the ring&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so, let me say this again, I have said it too many times but I must insist;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;does anyone here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyone at all&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;think they are going to give the ring to a black man or a women?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyone?`&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not forgetting that wigwam</p>
<p>I am cross posting this over at wheel’s place but those of you that think they won’t get away with it are missing the point;</p>
<p>alito and Roberts and Scala will say the president is correct, and what yoo said is correct, that is all that matters, popular belief, popular opinion, even the written law means absolutely nothing</p>
<p>the more they are exposed, they more brazen they will become, they can only move forward</p>
<p>it doesn’t matter that yoo’s opinion has been rebuked, refutiated, pulled, whatever, all that matters is that he was given a wink and a nod that his opinion will hold if brought before the scotus</p>
<p>yoo must be disbarred, there is absolutely no other choice</p>
<p>here’s what yoo wigwam and everyone else is missing;</p>
<p>we are playing by the rules and think the rules matter, they on the other hand have no rules</p>
<p>they have the ring</p>
<p>this is the end of the trilogy and they are now lord of the ring</p>
<p>what do I mean?</p>
<p>they can make, break, rewrite, and create from whole cloth any rule, any law, any presedent they want</p>
<p>imagine you and I are playing tennis and I not only have the official in my pocket but I don’t care what anyone thinks, nor does the official</p>
<p>well, I am going to hit the ball on two bounces, the official will first claim it was one bounce, when he is shown the video tape that I hit the ball on two bounces he will say, “but I already ruled and what I ruled goes”</p>
<p>then, the next time I hit the ball on two bounces the official will say;</p>
<p>“well, he did it before, there is no reason I am going to stop him this time around”</p>
<p>they are making it up as they go, they are making it up as they need it made up, they are brazen, they are depraved, they are sociopaths</p>
<p>the sociopathy they are demonstrating though is not that of someone born with the disorder, it is not chronic;</p>
<p>“it is because it is”</p>
<p>they aquired the power they have the power they are going to continue to use the power, it is what it is</p>
<p>they are now the lord of the ring</p>
<p>so, let me say this again, I have said it too many times but I must insist;</p>
<p>does anyone here</p>
<p>anyone at all</p>
<p>think they are going to give the ring to a black man or a women?</p>
<p>anyone?`</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386679</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re forgetting one thing, the requirement of “good faith.”  This whole thing has been a sophomoric excercise in casuistry.  Competent justices would not let them get away with their charade.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re forgetting one thing, the requirement of “good faith.”  This whole thing has been a sophomoric excercise in casuistry.  Competent justices would not let them get away with their charade.</p>
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		<title>By: serge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386666</link>
		<dc:creator>serge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The race to The Hague is on!  Unleash the hounds…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The race to The Hague is on!  Unleash the hounds…</p>
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		<title>By: NMRon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386665</link>
		<dc:creator>NMRon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How appropriate that ‘Judgment at Nuremberg’ is showing this week on TCM.  Should be required viewing in every household in America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How appropriate that ‘Judgment at Nuremberg’ is showing this week on TCM.  Should be required viewing in every household in America.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386632</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if our new front page editor will let me milk this topic for yet another post, but yesterday, Sen Whitehouse was talking about yet ANOTHER case that, like Youngstown Steel, undercuts (actually completely contradicts) Yoo’s position in the memos–AND IS CONSPICUOUS BY ITS ABSENCE.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a doozy.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but here is the problem looseheadprop, I have been saying this from the very start;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the president has a lawyers opinion that what he wants to do is fine, he and all those he ordered simply fall back on that memo, it doesn’t matter if it carries the weight of law, it doesn’t matter if it carries the weight of precedence, all that matters is the president has someone who is recognized by the bar writing an opinion and he claims he can use that opinion regardless of anything contrary&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yoo must be disbarred, there is nothing else that matters less then impeachment and we know impeachment will not happen yoo must be disbarred&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yoo is under the impression there is imperial rule, if the emperor does it becomes by that very fact, legal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nixon said it best;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“if the president does it, that means it is NOT illegal”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is the principle they are applying, they believe it with all their hearts and soles, they must believe it because if they do not they are all going to prison&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they do not care that the president derives his power from congress, congress gave the president his power, by not impeaching him they are saying he does indeed have this power&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;since they will not reign in the powers of the president, all of this carries the weight of precedence and I guarantee&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;let me say that again;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guarantee&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;alito and Roberts and Scala will say the president is correct, and what yoo said is correct&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guarantee it, I also guarantee yoo has a wink and a nod that if this is brought before the scotus they will agree with his opinion, he could not, would not have written that pedestrian opinion unless he was told it would stand&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I tell you, yoo is not a moron, he is highly educated and knows the law, he knows what makes a good and a bad brief, he would not have written this one if he didn’t have the wink and the nod, he would not, he could not&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it doesn’t matter that his opinion has been rebuked, refutiated, pulled, whatever, all that matters is that he was given a wink and a nod that his opinion will hold if brought before the scotus&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yoo must be disbarred, there is absolutely no other choice&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know if our new front page editor will let me milk this topic for yet another post, but yesterday, Sen Whitehouse was talking about yet ANOTHER case that, like Youngstown Steel, undercuts (actually completely contradicts) Yoo’s position in the memos–AND IS CONSPICUOUS BY ITS ABSENCE.</p>
<p>It’s a doozy.
</p>
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<p>but here is the problem looseheadprop, I have been saying this from the very start;</p>
<p>the president has a lawyers opinion that what he wants to do is fine, he and all those he ordered simply fall back on that memo, it doesn’t matter if it carries the weight of law, it doesn’t matter if it carries the weight of precedence, all that matters is the president has someone who is recognized by the bar writing an opinion and he claims he can use that opinion regardless of anything contrary</p>
<p>yoo must be disbarred, there is nothing else that matters less then impeachment and we know impeachment will not happen yoo must be disbarred</p>
<p>yoo is under the impression there is imperial rule, if the emperor does it becomes by that very fact, legal</p>
<p>Nixon said it best;</p>
<p>“if the president does it, that means it is NOT illegal”</p>
<p>this is the principle they are applying, they believe it with all their hearts and soles, they must believe it because if they do not they are all going to prison</p>
<p>they do not care that the president derives his power from congress, congress gave the president his power, by not impeaching him they are saying he does indeed have this power</p>
<p>since they will not reign in the powers of the president, all of this carries the weight of precedence and I guarantee</p>
<p>let me say that again;</p>
<p>I guarantee</p>
<p>alito and Roberts and Scala will say the president is correct, and what yoo said is correct</p>
<p>I guarantee it, I also guarantee yoo has a wink and a nod that if this is brought before the scotus they will agree with his opinion, he could not, would not have written that pedestrian opinion unless he was told it would stand</p>
<p>I tell you, yoo is not a moron, he is highly educated and knows the law, he knows what makes a good and a bad brief, he would not have written this one if he didn’t have the wink and the nod, he would not, he could not</p>
<p>it doesn’t matter that his opinion has been rebuked, refutiated, pulled, whatever, all that matters is that he was given a wink and a nod that his opinion will hold if brought before the scotus</p>
<p>yoo must be disbarred, there is absolutely no other choice</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/13/deja-vu-all-over-again-us-v-joseph-altstoetter/#comment-1386579</link>
		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if our new front page editor will let me milk this topic for yet another post, but yesterday , Sen Whitehouse was talking about yet ANOTHER case that, like Youngstown Steel, undercuts (actually completely contradicts) Yoo’s position in the memos–AND IS CONSPICUOUS BY ITS ABSENCE.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a doozy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yes!  David!! (new fp editor, right?)—hear us - we want lhp’s post on this subject!  More like this, please!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I don’t know if our new front page editor will let me milk this topic for yet another post, but yesterday , Sen Whitehouse was talking about yet ANOTHER case that, like Youngstown Steel, undercuts (actually completely contradicts) Yoo’s position in the memos–AND IS CONSPICUOUS BY ITS ABSENCE.</p>
<p>It’s a doozy.</p>
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<p>yes!  David!! (new fp editor, right?)—hear us &#8211; we want lhp’s post on this subject!  More like this, please!</p>
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		<title>By: mls78</title>
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		<dc:creator>mls78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This article dated May 19, 2003 from Jim Lobe of AlterNet is a good reminder of where they get their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inspiration&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
If the link doesn’t work here is where it is found.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article dated May 19, 2003 from Jim Lobe of AlterNet is a good reminder of where they get their <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/" rel="nofollow">inspiration</a>.<br />
If the link doesn’t work here is where it is found.  <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/</a></p>
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		<title>By: yellowdog jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowdog jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;beautiful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beautiful.</p>
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