Sixth in a series
In 1949 the Court in Nuremberg heard the "justice" case. This prosecution was of lawyers and judges for actions taken to provide a gloss of legality to atrocities committed by the Third Reich.
The "Justice Case" was officially designated United States of America vs. Josef Altstoetter, et al. (Case 3). Of the sixteen defendants indicted, nine were officials in the Reich Ministry of Justice. The two persons who held the position of Reich Minister of Justice during the Hitler regime, Franz Guertner and Georg Thierack, were both dead before the indictment was filed. Between Guertner's death in January 1941 and Thierack's appointment in August 1942, the defendant Schlegelberger served as Acting Reich Minister of Justice. The defendants Schlegelberger, Rothenberger, and Klemm each had held the position of Under Secretary ("Staatssekretaer", also translated as State Secretary) in the Reich Ministry of Justice. Two other officials of this Ministry were indicted but not tried: the defendant Westphal committed suicide in Nuernberg jail after indictment and before the opening of the trial; a mistrial was declared as to the defendant Engert, whose physical condition prevented his presence in court for most of the trial. The defendants who were not officials of the Reich Ministry of Justice included the chief public prosecutor of the People's Court and several prosecutors and judges of both the Special Courts and the People's Courts. Both the Special and the People's Courts were established as important parts of the administration of justice during the Nazi regime.
The Indictment charged the defendants with, inter alia, [which means "among other things"]
charges that the defendants herein participated in a common design or conspiracy to commit and did commit war crimes and crimes against humanity, as defined in Control Council Law No. 10, duly enacted by the Allied Control Council on 20 December 1945. These crimes included murders, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, plunder of private property, and other inhumane acts, as set forth in counts one, two, and three of this indictment. Certain defendants are further charged with membership in criminal organizations, as set forth in count four of this indictment.
--snip--
5. It was a part of the said common design, conspiracy, plans, and enterprises to enact, issue, enforce, and give effect to certain purported statutes, decrees, and orders, which were criminal both in inception and execution, and to work with the Gestapo, SS, SD, SIPO, and RSHA for criminal purposes, in the course of which the defendants, by distortion and denial of judicial and penal process, committed the murders, brutalities, cruelties, torture, atrocities, and other inhumane acts, more fully described in counts two and three of this indictment.
--snip--
7. The said common design, conspiracy, plans, and enterprises embraced the use of the judicial process as a powerful weapon for the persecution and extermination of all opponents of the Nazi regime regardless of nationality and for the persecution and extermination of "races." The special political tribunals mentioned above visited cruel punishment and death upon political opponents and members of certain "racial" and national groups. The People's Court was presided over by a minority of trusted Nazi lawyers and a majority of equally trusted laymen appointed by Hitler from the Elite Guard and Party hierarchy. The People's Court in collaboration with the Gestapo became a terror court, notorious for the severity of punishment, secrecy of proceedings, and denial to the accused of all semblance of judicial process. Punishment was meted out by Special Courts to victims under a law which condemned all who offended the "healthy sentiment of the people." Independence of the judiciary was destroyed. Judges were removed from the bench for political and "racial" reasons. Periodic "letters" were sent by the Ministry of Justice to all Reich judges and public prosecutors, instructing them as to the results they must accomplish. Both the bench and bar were continually spied upon by the Gestapo and SD, and were directed to keep disposition of their cases politically acceptable. Judges, prosecutors and, in many cases, defense counsel were reduced in effect to an administrative arm of the Nazi Party.
--snip--
10. ....Many such persons were given a summary travesty of trial before extraordinary courts, and after serving the sentences imposed upon them, were turned over to the Gestapo for "protective custody" in concentration camps. Jews discharged from prison were turned over to the Gestapo for final detention in Auschwitz, Lublin, and other concentration camps. The above-described proceedings resulted in the murder, torture, and ill-treatment of thousands of such persons. The defendants von Ammon, Engert, Klemm, Schlegelberger, Mettgenberg, Rothenberger, and Westphal are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.
--snip--
13. The Ministry of Justice participated with the OKW and the Gestapo in the execution of Hitler's decree of "Night and Fog" (Nacht und Nebel) whereby civilians of occupied territories who had been accused of crimes of resistance against occupying forces were spirited away for secret trial by certain Special Courts of the Justice Ministry within the Reich, in the course of which the victims' whereabouts, trial and subsequent disposition were kept completely secret, thus serving the dual purpose of terrorizing the victims' relatives and associates and barring recourse to any evidence, witnesses, or counsel for defense. The accused was not informed of the disposition of his case, and in almost every instance those who were acquitted or who had served their sentences were handed over by the Justice Ministry to the Gestapo for "protective custody" for the duration of the war. In the course of the above-described proceedings, thousands of persons were murdered, tortured, ill-treated, and illegally imprisoned. The defendants Altstoetter, von Ammon, Engert, Joel, Klemm, Mettgenberg, and Schlegelberger are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.
I could go on and on, but you should click the link and read the indictment for yourselves. It's a real eye opener.
You should also read the opening statement made by the prosecution.
BRIGADIER GENERAL TAYLOR: This case is unusual in that the defendants are charged with crimes committed in the name of the law. These men, together with their deceased or fugitive colleagues, were the embodiment of what passed for justice in the Third Reich.
I found this passage particularly evocative. It could be spoken today (well, if you took the reference to Germany.)
But a court is far more than a courtroom; it is a process and a spirit. It is a house of law. This the defendants know, or must have known in times past. I doubt that they ever forgot it. Indeed, the root of the accusation here is that those men, leaders of the German judicial system, consciously and deliberately suppressed the law, engaged in an unholy masquerade of brutish tyranny disguised as justice, and converted the German judicial system to an engine of despotism, conquest, pillage, and slaughter.
--snip--
The defendants and their colleagues distorted, perverted, and finally accomplished the complete overthrow of justice and law in Germany. They made the system of courts an integral part of dictatorship. They established and operated special tribunals obedient only to the political dictates of the Hitler regime. They abolished all semblance of judicial independence. They brow-beat, bullied, and denied fundamental rights to those who came before the courts. The "trials" they conducted became horrible farces, with vestigial remnants of legal procedure which only served to mock the hapless victims.
This conduct was dishonor to their profession. Many of these misdeeds may well be crimes. But, in and of themselves, they are not charged as crimes in this indictment. The evidence which proves this course of conduct will, indeed, be laid before the Court, as it constitutes an important part of the proof of the crimes which are charged. But the defendants are not now called to account for violating constitutional guaranties or withholding due process of law.
On the contrary, the defendants are accused of participation in and responsibility for the killings, tortures, and other atrocities which resulted from, and which the defendants know were an inevitable consequence of, the conduct of their offices as judges, prosecutors, and ministry officials.
--snip--
In summary, the defendants are charged with judicial murder and other atrocities which they committed by destroying law and justice in Germany, and by then utilizing the emptied forms of legal process for persecution, enslavement, and extermination on a vast scale.
--snip--
I have said that the defendants know, or should know, that a court is the house of law. But it is, I fear, many years since any of the defendants have dwelt therein. Great as was their crime against Germany was even more shameful. They defiled the German temple of justice, and delivered Germany into the dictatorship of the Third Reich, "with all its methods of terror, and its cynical and open denial of the rule of law."¹The temple must be reconsecrated. This cannot be done in the twinkling of an eye or by any mere ritual. It cannot be done in any single proceeding or at any one place. It certainly cannot be done at Nuernberg alone. But we have here, I think, a special opportunity and grave responsibility to help achieve this goal. We have here the men who played a leading part in the destruction of law in Germany. They are about to be judged in accordance with the law. It is more than fitting that these men be judged under that which they, as jurists, denied to others. Judgement under law is the only just fate for the defendants; the prosecution asks no other.
From the Sentencing Opinion
If the party knowingly aided and abetted in the execution of the plan and became connected with plans or enterprises involving the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity, he thereby became a co-conspirator with those who conceived the plan. It makes no difference whether the plan or enterprise was that of only one of the conspirators. Upon this point we quote from the judgment of the International Tribunal —
"The argument that such common planning cannot exist where there is complete dictatorship is unsound. A plan in the execution of which a number of persons participate is still a plan, even though conceived by only one of them; and those who execute the plan do not avoid responsibility by showing that they acted under the direction of the man who conceived it." ¹
This holding answers the further contention that one connected with execution of such a plan of Hitler could not be guilty of conspiracy, or punishable for helping carry out the plan or scheme as a co-conspirator. It is undoubtedly true that not all of the defendants had any part in the formulation of the plan, scheme, or conspiracy of the Nazi regime's Ministry of Justice to carry out the NN decree, but they did know of its illegality and inhumane purpose and helped to carry it out. The facts show beyond a reasonable doubt that they did knowingly aid, abet, and become connected with the plan, scheme, or conspiracy in aid of waging the war and committed those war crimes [and crimes] against humanity as charged in the indictment. A more perfect plan or scheme to show a conspiracy to commit crimes could hardly be written than was the agreement entered into by the OKW, Ministry of Justice, and the Gestapo to execute and carry out the Hitler Night and Fog decree. All the defendants who took a part in the execution and carrying out of the NN Decree knew of its illegality and of its cruel and inhumane purposes.
[all emphasis, including the part in red, mine]
None of this needs any analysis from me. It is all quite simple and plain on its face. Please do click the links and read the original documents in their entirety.
Many thanks to the Mazel Online Library which has an amazing archive of these documents in a surfable form. You can read the transcripts of the testimony and see the exhibits.
[Editor's note: The photo atop the post, by takomabibelot, features a banner created and designed by Firedoglake reader BonnieT of Austin, Texas, where she operates OpposeTorture.org.]
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Oh boy! Another LHP installment!
“These crimes included murders, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, plunder of private property, and other inhumane acts”
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Bu’ush today.
Yay! now to read…
Hoisted on our own petard? Then again when has precedent ever bothered these criminals? Time to call them for what they are.. enablers of a fascist regime.
An absolutely chilling read, for the direct parallels to our judicial system. And yet, this certainly offers hope. A reminder that “the wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine” (sorry for any mangling of that quote).
It’s purely informational. Scott Hortan has referenced Altstoetter, several of our commenters have. Instead of taking someone else’s opinion about whether Yoo has criminal exposure under this case, I’m inviting you all to read it and decide for yourselves. The links will take you to what appears to be a complete case file at the Mazel online library
C’mon, LHP, it was just a joke. The new “Fitz”. And, allusive of how Cheney would react.
If I were a lawyer, I’d be embarrassed; but I’m an American, so I’m ashamed.
So much for wingnut welfare. This is great news!
Poor Bertie Walnuts.
I too am ashamed, and outraged. I want war crimes indictments against all these Bu’ush pukes as one measure of moral atonement to the world, a world Bu’ush has largely turned against us.
I am “bitter.”
I think that is sorta on topic.
Great post LHP, it seems most applicable to Yoo.
Yeah, that is great news. Abu Gonzo was a Peter Princlple hire whose Fifteen Minutes are over.
Perhaps we should help Bertie with a resume’ contest. I bet the General and the folks at Sadly, No could really do wonders
tofor him.As I was reading through the post I wondered if Karl and Dick had read the book on Nuremburg and decided that it was just the recipe for their success? It is way too much of a coinky-doink as EW says. Or is this just how Evil materializes in the black heart?
The other thing I wondered was what if KO read these statements to his audience, but took out the references to Germany, to see how many people would think it our plight today. It reminded me of the experiment where the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence was found too radical by people who didn’t recognize it as such.
Ashcroft should share the same fate.
LHP, I saw your comment at EW’s shop about thinking these criminals will never be prosecuted. Why are you so pessimistic?
You know Yoo went to Yale Law school, the home of the “New Haven School (of thought–not bricks and mortar) of International Law.”
It was developed primarily upon the work of the legendary Myers McDougal who was for a time the Dean of the School. McDougal and Co-authors Laswell, and later Chen produced a series of books outlining International Standards for law, human rights and even the role of law school to train lawyers not just in law, but in leadership.
I had the privilege of studying International w with Prof. McDougal at a time when he was splitting his time between Yale Law School and my law school. I last studied Human Rights and World Public Order under Professor Chen.
Years later, I attended a post JD certifiacte proagrm at Yale law School and mentioned in passing something that Prf. Mac had told me about the building. EVERYBODY at Yale knew who Mac was, what he stood for and the legacies of reveence for Human Rights he left behind.
John Yoo ought to have known that at well.
Thank you LHP. Every day this administration is in power is another day of dishonor to this country. Their war crimes trials will be a necessary part of the U.S. reparation and reconciliation process.
In a related vein, what Digby says…
Sorry, slow on the uptake today. Littleprop had a mob of kids sleep over last night, I spent much of yesterday pigging out on Doritos, Dominoes, just all junk food.
My normally macro biotic body is in a state of shock. Did you know that Nacho Cheese Doritos stain your fingers orange? I had to scrub them with a brush to get it off.
He’d get free room and board at the Hague….
That’s like the really bad joke about the guy who went to the doctor because his privates were orange. When the befuddled doctor asked him how he spent his days, he said watching pr0n and eating cheeto’s.
OMG! I cannot imagine what your body is doing to you today if it is normally macrobiotic. I eat healthily - not macro and not totally vegetarian, but I would be really sick if I ate Doritos.
Thanks, LHP, for my new favorite link, the Mazel Online Library. What I’ve browsed there so far is riveting.
Couldn’t sleep last night & ended up watching The Good German, which I’d never seen. Dialog/general plotline were eery, given the Yoo, Principals, & GWB “I approved it” revelations:
Bernie Teitel: They want me to decide who the ardent Nazis were. Truth is, it was the whole country. Nobody’s hands are clean…
This guy? Drove one of the gas vans. They’d load the Jews in back, run the exhaust inside.
Bernie Teitel: [inhales] By the time they got where they were going, they were already dead. Very efficient. Driving to work, he killed more people than Al Capone in all his years in Chicago.
But if you asked him, he isn’t a murderer, he’s a truck driver. And he still thinks that.
mmmm, can I recommend drinking a whole lot of water? That’s one heck of a lot of salt (much less the rest of the chemicals)you took in yesterday. Wow.
What a Kabuki dance it all was. The idea that it was could have been–and deliberately was–left to a mere deputy assistant attorney general to sign off on such a thing as torture.
But then that was par for the course at DOJ under Bush/Cheney. Check out the new Lichtblau gook–Bush’s Law–and you’ll find that the # 2 official in the Ashcroft Justice Department–Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson–wasn’t read into “The Program,” the NSA wireless taping. To his credit, Thompson refused to sign the papers put in front of him regarding “The Program” which he had not been “read into.” To his discredit, however, Thompson did not insist on being “read into The Program”–which is what his successor as DAG, Jim Comey, did.
The whole thing is sickening.
Doritos have a very high amount of Monsodium Glutamate (MSG). Eat at your own risk and if you are a migraneur at your peril!
I totally can imagine how you feel because the same happens to me when i eat cooked food now.
BTW, excellent post
Oh, I think that would make a great KO segemnt. Let’s see if any of his producers are reading FDL today?
I think it’s the coloring they put in the Doritos; otherwise they’re only normally bad for you. (I get baked tortilla chips when I feel the need for that kind of munchies.)
I wonder what Cheney does to anesthetise or remove the consciences of all these people? I can’t believe that all of them are so uncaring and nearly inhuman. You might get better treatment from the Borg.
We know Nancy has taken Impeachment off the table. You tell me which of the 3 presidential candidates you believe will authorize the next AG to prosecute?
With Edwards in the race, I had a tiny glimmer of hope, but now?
And the Nuremberg trial were held by the victors in a world War. The US may not enjoy the stature it did pre-Shrub, but we are still a world power, do you honestly think that they will get prosecuted at the Hague w/o the consent of the next president?
OMG! LOL, no 707
None, although I hold out the most hope for Obama with respect to that. If there is enough conclusive “hard” evidence, he might follow up only because he might not want to pull a “Jerry Ford”.
I’m not a pure macro bio–more like a Wholefoods type. And I do eat meat.
I just think white sugar and white flour and such are like crack. And don’t get me started on High fructose corn syrup.
Except at Christmas which is all food crack all the time. CANDY CANES!
Look, I like snark as much as the next guy, but this whole thing is unbelievable.
How ‘media’ can obsess on Sen. Obama’s ‘bitter’ comment and gloss over the White House torture cocktail party is mind boggling.
Since it was an ABC story, did “This Week” at least touch on it this morning?
Wobblybits. Left you a bit more at #272 2 threads down (Talking Heads)
nothing earthshaking
looks like u better stay up here & babysit Oilfieldguy, heh.
No migraine, just bloated and sluggish and that “I can’t believe I ate the whole thing” kinda food hangover.
It was fun though, the kids had a blast
Thank you, LHP, for another installment in your John Yoo Memorial Lectures. A discussion of the cases he ought to have read, cautions he ought to have advised, before he imagined powers that do not legally exist.
You know, I keep floating this mind control brain chip idea, but nobodies buyn’ it. *g*
It is astounding how fast Cheney seems to flip some of them. When Mukasey said waterboarding wasn’t torture I thought I was having a hallucination. He had only been there a few weeks!
Cheney is just SO evil that he has a contagious effect on anybody exposed to him for any length of time.
Oh, I don’t picture anybody pardoning Shrub. Just not prosecuting him.
Gonzo and Yoo however, seem to have am implacable foe in Sheldon Whitehouse if his speech yesterday at the criminal justice retreat are any indication.
Can anyone tell me why this blog, and this blog only, locks my computer up for 3 minutes before allowing me to enjoy the spirited debate I’ve come to love here? Was it something I said? I don’t understand. My hair is still curly and my eyes are still blue, so why don’t you love me like you used to do?
Nice work LHP.
Yeah, the Bushies have done, exactly, exactly, what Americans hung Nazis for at Nuremburg.
I hope, before I die, to see the next set of Nuremburg trials and for George Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft (yeah, sorry, in some sense he’s even worse because he knew it was wrong) either swing high or go jail for life.
Dunno, I was busy making buckwheat pancakes for the kids at the time. Missed all the shining heads this AM
It would be nice to hold those two $4 hookers of the legal profession accountable for their bullshit. All it requires is backbone and a willingness to be -gasp- partisan.
Just read it and couldn’t agree more *g* (except Pat Buchanan makes my tummy haurt so I just don’t watch him)
You don’t even have to be partisan…just human.
I’ll bet Whitehouse’ keynote speech was a doozy. Greatly looking forward to a transcript, & yr. post on it.
I don’t know if our new front page editor will let me milk this topic for yet another post, but yesterday, Sen Whitehouse was talking about yet ANOTHER case that, like Youngstown Steel, undercuts (actually completely contradicts) Yoo’s position in the memos–AND IS CONSPICUOUS BY ITS ABSENCE.
It’s a doozy.
I believe that Digg and some of the other widgets aren’t happy until they get loaded, so you just have to be patient is all. After all, you did make it, eventually.
I don’t think it’s us, it’s probably just the NSA. *g*.
We love you.
You’re not from LI are you?
Look forward to that, LHP. I agree that Obama holds the best hope of moving to war crimes trials. It’s got to be done. The whole world has seen the pictures.
Not just the Nazis, we prosecuted the Japanese for waterboarding. And more recently we have prosecuted others for waterboarding. It’s a fucking crime.
I would get the migraine because MSG is one of my triggers.
No mention that I saw this morning of Bush admitting, on record, that he approved “harsh interrogation techniques” which means torture to most people. I guess the media feel this field has been plowed. Remember when Greenspan said the Iraq war was about oil, and Tweety and the rest of the press merely nodded and shrugged their shoulders? Prior to that point, any blogger or pundit making that claim was roundly shouted down as ridiculous, unserious and a wacky conspiracy theorist. Immediately after Greenspan made his “revelation” it was deemed “conventional wisdom, widely understood, therefore no longer “new” or “newsworthy”.
Funny how that works.
Mine does that too. Waatching the status line, it’s ‘Digg’ loading on every frontpage post. (’Spotlight’ didn’t do that.)
Agree with that. Someone needs to ask Obama about that. He might not want to comment publically, but it’s gotta be asked.
Yeah. Next time he’s on & you’re in the mood, watch with the sound off. It’s almost funnier. You can’t help but feel his pain. Well. I figure he earned every bit, so suffer sucker. Ain’t no sympathy here to spare for the square.
Thanks for the answer dakine01. “Eventually” is not exactly what the intertubes are about and annoying readers is not a good business model.
Okay, gotta go vote for Obama delegates. Thanks again, LHP.
How’s this for “the question.”
“Do you think prosecuting former Government Officials would damage our Democracy, or would it be Democracies finest hour?”
Link please.
If we don’t have war crimes trials, some sort of public accounting for what has happened, a pall of guilt & complicity may strangle this country, as revelations on the extent & scope of this seep out as they are bound to do, however piecemeal, however slowly.
Bush admitting to authorizing the discussion of torture is just like him going to the National Archives, taking out that ‘goddamned piece of paper’ and placing it into a shredder on national TV.
Someone in another thread earlier this week said Bush “could eat puppies for breakfast” and no one would say anything.
I thought that comment was a little excessive.
Now, I’m not so sure.
Well, just look at it as an opportunity to contemplate the vast information coming your way and savor the moment.
In addition to the Mazal [sp] Library, the Justice Case is well covered by sources available on the web, as is Nuremberg generally. LHP cited to another site in an earlier thread.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/facult.....oetter.htm
I also found the Robert H. Jackson Center’s site helpful; a former Attorney General and Supreme Court Justice, he was a principal architect of the process, woven out of whole cloth for the novel war crimes trials held at Nuremberg, and was its the chief prosecutor. He is regarded as one of the top S.Ct. justices, and possibly the best AG ever.
http://www.roberthjackson.org/
Harvard and Yale host Nuremberg Trials research centers. PBS has a good video introduction, which has the advantage of bringing home that these heinous acts were devised, implemented and defended by ordinary, if tragically flawed, people. European universities obviously maintain research centers; an English one is cited below.
http://nuremberg.law.harvard.e.....t=overview
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/nuremberg/
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/trials.htm
George Bush, the giver who keeps on giving, has turned historical research into torture and war crimes into essential current events reading.
Use Firefox with the Adblock and/or NoScript addons. Heck, you can even change the layout of the site if you want with other Addons.
Loo I don’t want to get into My candidate is Teh Awesome, your candidate is teh sucky thing (esp. since my candidate, Edwards, is no longer in the race)
But Obama’s entire record in the Ill. State Leg. spells go along to get along.
His best talent in life (after his amazing speaking skills) is that he has a gift for NOT pissing people off. He is not an “in you face” kinda guy.
His campaign is about uniting WITH the other side of the aisle.
Why would that make him more likely to prosecute Shrub? McCain has this whole bullshit Maverick thing, that might give him some cover if he were to do it.
Hillary could get some cover by saying THIS (torture and shredding the Constitution) is what you legitimately prosecute a president for, not a blue dress, but Obama doesn’t have a “hook” to explain why he would do it and his whole campaign is about NOT getting in the face of GOPers its about united with them.
So, I’m interested in you analysis
Actually, I take it as an opportunity to go to Huffpo, RCP, and Politico. Let me know when you value my time as much as you do your own.
could you be a dear, please, and snag that xtra pair of rose-colored glasses for the poor lad?
Think if I may…if we support McBush/McChaney/McCrazy/McTorture then we are with the terrorists?
Hell, he could eat live puppies and we could hear them scream, and Tweety would give the guy a pass and Rush would still be talking about Shrub’s Package” when he was wearing the flight suit.
Hell, Cheney SHOT A MAN and it blew over in, what?, a week ?
have fun and we’ll see you when you get back.
I’m going to go for a swim, be back in an hour or so
See…that’s what I’m talking about: Solutions. Thanks, tw3k.
Indeed. Obama’s comment was factually correct, an attribute so foreign to today’s MSM sells and today’s politicians deliver that CBS will have to rehire Walter Cronkite to explain it to them.
anyone know a youtube for that glorious melody, Happy Trails to You?
Roy Rogers, was it? Autry? Dang. Ma mind just ain’t so sharp no more.
LHP, Obama has lead a rather safe political life. Here’s my hope, that during his time teaching constitutional law, he truly understands and loves the constitution. He may surprise a lot of people after he gets into office. Assuming he does.
No one thought FDR would be a reformer when he ran for president, and look what he did.
Yeah, I’m a dreamer.
Happy Trails was Roy Rogers. I don’t know how to search YouTube.
The first thing an effective parasite does is anesthetize his host into ignoring his presence lest journalists, CongressCritters or antibodies utterly reject him.
Breaking:
I just hope and pray you are right.
At this point I don’t see any Bobby Kennedy types running Washington. You know, that in your face reform NOW types. But who knows, maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Your welcome. I am a firm believer of being able to control ones own browsing experience.
Buy Dave a virtual latte and he’ll fold. [snark]
Happy Trails Roy Rogers and Dale Evans
Kinky. I like it.
LHP, your bold makes it simple to find the essence of this legal jargon, amazing how easy it is to transpose our current situation onto this dialogue, just a little revision and the similarities become almost scary.
What am I saying, “almost”, it’s scary, no question about it…
here
off to swim
Yeah, Joe Sandler had a conference call about it. They musta like Jane’s post on McCain’s violations.
BUT, will she get the credit she deserves for this? Who delivered the petitions long before the DNC got off its ass? Jane did, and you guys signed them.
This is leadership. I’m glad the DNC is willing to follow
I was indulging in a lame bit of teasing ma’dear, no offense to Trigger. in re bidniss solutioning. but it seems we’re all settled in and happy now, thanks to tw3k’s wizardry.
i’ll be good. promise. ;->
Happy Trails:
http://www.royrogers.com/happy_trails-index.html
was written by Dale Evans Rogers.
scrap that crap this is better
OMG Stop! I’ve fallen down & hatched a vir#$. I was kidding where I had no bidness being. Down puppies. Down. Enough. I surrender.
What was the name of Dale’s horse? I can’t seem to accessorize it.
Something for someone to figure out sometime is — did this re-enactment of the Third Reich happen here by Accident? Or Design?
snark-on: As so many Repubs seem to believe that something so complex as an eye could not have arisen by Accident but only with the interference and guidance of an Intelligent Designer, perhaps those same Repubs might conclude that we got here by Design. Then again, the anti-Accidentally crowd seems to distinguish between “uphill” changes by Design and “downhill” changes by Accident, and this being “downhill” in spades, perhaps they’d go for Accident, after all. /snark
Let’s face it, if any candidate ran their campaign on “I’m going to prosecute the criminals in the Bush administration,” they’d get less press coverage than John Edwards did. Or would be ridiculed and smeared 24/7 by our corporate media. It’s not possible to run as a reformer in 21st century America.
I’m obviously not LooHoo, but I can’t resist taking a shot at this one.
Being the ‘in your face Black guy’ wouldn’t have national appeal.
Hell, he can’t even say someone — not him — is ‘bitter’ without major repercussions.
I cannot believe you believe this would ever happen.
Ever. In a million years.