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	<title>Comments on: God Bless Jimmy Carter, the Best Friend Israel Ever Had</title>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course many Democrats hold disdain for Carter…the Democratic party is held in check on the I/P conflict by the Lobby.  This has been going on for years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just check at Aipac’s website to see the latest falsehoods being claimed about Iran.  Or who the I-Lobby will be targeting next&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aipac.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.aipac.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Report: Photos Reveal Secret Iranian Missile Site&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iran is secretly developing long-range missiles.&lt;br /&gt;
New satellite photographs have uncovered the secret site where Iran is suspected of developing long-range ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets as far away as Europe, Britain’s Times reported. The photographs show that Iran is disguising its missile development as a space program, much like North Korea did over the last decade. The revelation comes weeks after U.N. nuclear experts obtained documents detailing a years-long, clandestine effort by Iran to use civilian experts as cover for nuclear warhead research. More… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The last President to demand that the Dimona nuclear facility be inspected was President Kennedy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not one President since then has demanded that Israel declare their massive amounts of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and open up to inspections.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Ian looks like FDL is stepping out a bit on this topic, a pleasant surprise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe just maybesomeone will even write about the upcoming Aipac espionage trial.  Justin Raimando at antiwar.com &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11856&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11856&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 one of the only progressive bloggers going where few are brave enough to go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course many Democrats hold disdain for Carter…the Democratic party is held in check on the I/P conflict by the Lobby.  This has been going on for years.</p>
<p>Just check at Aipac’s website to see the latest falsehoods being claimed about Iran.  Or who the I-Lobby will be targeting next<br />
<a href="http://www.aipac.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aipac.org/</a></p>
<p>Report: Photos Reveal Secret Iranian Missile Site</p>
<p>Iran is secretly developing long-range missiles.<br />
New satellite photographs have uncovered the secret site where Iran is suspected of developing long-range ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets as far away as Europe, Britain’s Times reported. The photographs show that Iran is disguising its missile development as a space program, much like North Korea did over the last decade. The revelation comes weeks after U.N. nuclear experts obtained documents detailing a years-long, clandestine effort by Iran to use civilian experts as cover for nuclear warhead research. More… </p>
<p>The last President to demand that the Dimona nuclear facility be inspected was President Kennedy.</p>
<p>Not one President since then has demanded that Israel declare their massive amounts of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and open up to inspections.</p>
<p> Ian looks like FDL is stepping out a bit on this topic, a pleasant surprise.</p>
<p>Maybe just maybesomeone will even write about the upcoming Aipac espionage trial.  Justin Raimando at antiwar.com <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11856" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11856</a><em></em><br />
 one of the only progressive bloggers going where few are brave enough to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/12/god-bless-jimmy-carter-the-best-friend-israel-ever-had/#comment-1386558</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian today you went where many so called liberal bloggers will not go.  Good for you. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So amazing that so many folks will stand up for the Tibetans and Tibet (somehow so groovy)  Hello Congresswoman Pelosi.  Yet many of these same individuals either refuse to look at the abusive treatment of the Palestinians, the loss of Palestinian land due to the expansion of illegal settlements and control over water, electric etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have always thought that the word “right” needs to be taken out of what so many want Hamas to recognize.  They want Hamas to agree to this statement.  That “Israel has the right to exist”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have read that this word “right” is a real sticking point for Hamas.  And that they have no problem with saying that Israel exists according to the Internationally 67 borders.  But the “right” based on some book called the Bible written by a bunch of Jewish guys is a bit absurd&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian today you went where many so called liberal bloggers will not go.  Good for you. </p>
<p>So amazing that so many folks will stand up for the Tibetans and Tibet (somehow so groovy)  Hello Congresswoman Pelosi.  Yet many of these same individuals either refuse to look at the abusive treatment of the Palestinians, the loss of Palestinian land due to the expansion of illegal settlements and control over water, electric etc.</p>
<p>I have always thought that the word “right” needs to be taken out of what so many want Hamas to recognize.  They want Hamas to agree to this statement.  That “Israel has the right to exist”.</p>
<p>Have read that this word “right” is a real sticking point for Hamas.  And that they have no problem with saying that Israel exists according to the Internationally 67 borders.  But the “right” based on some book called the Bible written by a bunch of Jewish guys is a bit absurd</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/12/god-bless-jimmy-carter-the-best-friend-israel-ever-had/#comment-1386547</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Palestine Peace: Not Apartheid” is a must read.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jimmy is the best friend Israel has ever had.  Although  Norman Finklestein, Amy Goodman, Bishop Tutu, Mordechai Vanunu, Art and Peggy Gish, Congressman Moran, Senator Hagel, Former Congressman Findlay, and many more continue to speak truth to power in regard to the Israeli Palestinian conflict.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Former President Carter was shining the spotlight on this issue on “This Wekk” this morning.  Talking about one of the most critical  issues in the middle east that many (even those liberal is the blogosphere)  avoid at all cost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watch and listen to Jimmy this morning&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/politics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://abcnews.go.com/politics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Palestine Peace: Not Apartheid” is a must read.</p>
<p>Jimmy is the best friend Israel has ever had.  Although  Norman Finklestein, Amy Goodman, Bishop Tutu, Mordechai Vanunu, Art and Peggy Gish, Congressman Moran, Senator Hagel, Former Congressman Findlay, and many more continue to speak truth to power in regard to the Israeli Palestinian conflict.</p>
<p>Former President Carter was shining the spotlight on this issue on “This Wekk” this morning.  Talking about one of the most critical  issues in the middle east that many (even those liberal is the blogosphere)  avoid at all cost.</p>
<p>Watch and listen to Jimmy this morning<br />
<em></em><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/politics" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/politics</a></p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is so nice to see someone who understands the nature and concept of guerrilla warfare. When one has nothing to lose and everything to gain, what’s 50 years?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We who fought stupidly in Vietnam should be able to teach that lesson with conviction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me Israelis have several significant problems:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democrats are less dependent upon campaign contributions from American Jews and are less likely to be as weening as they used to be and after this recent Neocon experience there’s less likelihood Repubs will be in power and able to help the Likudites for a while.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Psychologically Israeli Jews are reliving the Nazi-Jew disaster of Germany, but in the role of the oppressor. This has to eventually become uncomfortable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Time is in favor of the Palestinians as Ian wrote. However ideological the Israelis might be they will have to see that creeping up on them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s quite likely they’re under the same psychological oppression we experienced during the “Cold War” where they feel they have to spend every penny to fight the enemy. Once they break through and realize they’re being manipulated by their own Military-Industrial-Likud complex, then they might begin to re-evaluate the threat and the answer to their problems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here in America we’ve not only broken through Vietnam and the Cold War, but now the Neocon-Bushies are discredited (though not out of office yet). We haven’t quite broken the MIC yet, but that’s bound to happen too. We see all this clearly and any American Jews have to wince when they see our experience and then observe Israel repeating those mistakes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The cognitive dissonance should be resolved in favor of peace and prosperity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The dream of a Jewish state has been lived for some time now. It hasn’t gone smoothly. But, I don’t know that Jews, as a people, have a lot of experience at governing. They’ve migrated here and there and lived under other governments. Maybe they just need more help and experience at governing in order to get it right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suggest a beginning by designating and making Jerusalem an international city, governed by the U.N. or some other tri-religious group running it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps this kind of example would help Israeli Jews learn, so that in time they’ll get past their other problems (mentioned above) and able to eventually live in peace with anyone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Truth first!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is so nice to see someone who understands the nature and concept of guerrilla warfare. When one has nothing to lose and everything to gain, what’s 50 years?</p>
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<p>We who fought stupidly in Vietnam should be able to teach that lesson with conviction.</p>
<p>It seems to me Israelis have several significant problems:</p>
<p>Democrats are less dependent upon campaign contributions from American Jews and are less likely to be as weening as they used to be and after this recent Neocon experience there’s less likelihood Repubs will be in power and able to help the Likudites for a while.</p>
<p>Psychologically Israeli Jews are reliving the Nazi-Jew disaster of Germany, but in the role of the oppressor. This has to eventually become uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Time is in favor of the Palestinians as Ian wrote. However ideological the Israelis might be they will have to see that creeping up on them.</p>
<p>It’s quite likely they’re under the same psychological oppression we experienced during the “Cold War” where they feel they have to spend every penny to fight the enemy. Once they break through and realize they’re being manipulated by their own Military-Industrial-Likud complex, then they might begin to re-evaluate the threat and the answer to their problems.</p>
<p>Here in America we’ve not only broken through Vietnam and the Cold War, but now the Neocon-Bushies are discredited (though not out of office yet). We haven’t quite broken the MIC yet, but that’s bound to happen too. We see all this clearly and any American Jews have to wince when they see our experience and then observe Israel repeating those mistakes.</p>
<p>The cognitive dissonance should be resolved in favor of peace and prosperity.</p>
<p>The dream of a Jewish state has been lived for some time now. It hasn’t gone smoothly. But, I don’t know that Jews, as a people, have a lot of experience at governing. They’ve migrated here and there and lived under other governments. Maybe they just need more help and experience at governing in order to get it right.</p>
<p>I suggest a beginning by designating and making Jerusalem an international city, governed by the U.N. or some other tri-religious group running it.</p>
<p>Perhaps this kind of example would help Israeli Jews learn, so that in time they’ll get past their other problems (mentioned above) and able to eventually live in peace with anyone.</p>
<p>Truth first!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/12/god-bless-jimmy-carter-the-best-friend-israel-ever-had/#comment-1386101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Overall agree, but I’m not sure the US can’t tell the Israelis what to do.  I’m not kidding when I say their economy is dependent - they’d go into a huge awful slump if the US pulled support, and their armed forces simply cannot operate without supplies from the US.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall agree, but I’m not sure the US can’t tell the Israelis what to do.  I’m not kidding when I say their economy is dependent &#8211; they’d go into a huge awful slump if the US pulled support, and their armed forces simply cannot operate without supplies from the US.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree a one state solution is the only thing that will work, but the present generation on either side can’t manage it. Perhaps after they die different possibilities will emerge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see the US as being able to force the Israelis to do anything. They don’t want to cross us and they cherish our support, but were we to insist on something they really didn’t want, I think they’d tell us to get lost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for what the US should do, I’s suggest a crash program for desalinating water and non-petroleum energy sources. We might even try to build something along the Arcosanti model to relieve Palestinian squalor. It is time the US attempted to make lives better and easier rather than meaner. It is time our foreign aid meant something other than guns.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree a one state solution is the only thing that will work, but the present generation on either side can’t manage it. Perhaps after they die different possibilities will emerge.</p>
<p>I don’t see the US as being able to force the Israelis to do anything. They don’t want to cross us and they cherish our support, but were we to insist on something they really didn’t want, I think they’d tell us to get lost.</p>
<p>As for what the US should do, I’s suggest a crash program for desalinating water and non-petroleum energy sources. We might even try to build something along the Arcosanti model to relieve Palestinian squalor. It is time the US attempted to make lives better and easier rather than meaner. It is time our foreign aid meant something other than guns.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/israel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link to the article Dude mentions.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/israel" rel="nofollow">Link to the article Dude mentions.</a></p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Belatedly I respond to your informal survey:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Yes” to all except knowing someone who visited&lt;br /&gt;
Palestine. I know folks who visited Lebanon during the time after Jumblat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belatedly I respond to your informal survey:</p>
<p>“Yes” to all except knowing someone who visited<br />
Palestine. I know folks who visited Lebanon during the time after Jumblat.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reading this post in the daylight/Sunday—and I am delighted Ian has knocked another one out of the park.  Atlantic magazine ran an article this month on the growing demographic realization within Israel that the state’s survival depends on finding an inclusive solution. (”Is Israel Finished?” by Jeffrey Goldberg)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But as to President Carter, I have to say he invokes disdain by many many people and to this day is repudiated by many Democrats and Independents, not merely Republicans who regard him as the Custer of Democrats vanquished by their Reagan warriors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not in the camp who believe Carter was an awful President while in office. And I am firmly in the camp that says he is clear-eyed and forthright in his assessment of Israel and of Palestine. What I am afraid of is the constant indulgent, reinforcement America gives Israel to the exclusion of any serious regard for the Palestinians. It seems to me the Palestinians (who are viewed by some as a collection of stateless refugees who cannot possibly claim to have a culture or homeland–because they are refugess from somewhere else) are the mirror-image of Israel. This is a conclusion many Americans reach and the proponents of an Arab-free Israel spend an enormous amount of time and influence trying to dispel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have Jewish friends. I have Muslim friends. I have no desire to see any of them hurt and every desire to see them retain their dignity. That is why having Jimmy Carter around is extremely important.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this post in the daylight/Sunday—and I am delighted Ian has knocked another one out of the park.  Atlantic magazine ran an article this month on the growing demographic realization within Israel that the state’s survival depends on finding an inclusive solution. (”Is Israel Finished?” by Jeffrey Goldberg)</p>
<p>But as to President Carter, I have to say he invokes disdain by many many people and to this day is repudiated by many Democrats and Independents, not merely Republicans who regard him as the Custer of Democrats vanquished by their Reagan warriors.</p>
<p>I am not in the camp who believe Carter was an awful President while in office. And I am firmly in the camp that says he is clear-eyed and forthright in his assessment of Israel and of Palestine. What I am afraid of is the constant indulgent, reinforcement America gives Israel to the exclusion of any serious regard for the Palestinians. It seems to me the Palestinians (who are viewed by some as a collection of stateless refugees who cannot possibly claim to have a culture or homeland–because they are refugess from somewhere else) are the mirror-image of Israel. This is a conclusion many Americans reach and the proponents of an Arab-free Israel spend an enormous amount of time and influence trying to dispel.</p>
<p>I have Jewish friends. I have Muslim friends. I have no desire to see any of them hurt and every desire to see them retain their dignity. That is why having Jimmy Carter around is extremely important.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;you’ve stretched this waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond my original point and i’ve followed along, willingly. which had to do with basic education and services, and you didn’t state (at least to me) that higher education has become more difficult, i did. what is going on? what is your agenda with this?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i was disagreeing with your characterization of palestinians in your comment #69:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;when the vast majority of the population goes uneducated that’s what you get i guess……the educated few can’t rule them dow&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and in my very first comment in response (#70):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;i don’t think the vast majority of the population of palestinians in the west bank have gone uneducated (although every year it is getting harder and advanced degrees are very difficult indeed).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i included the caveat on advanced degrees.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;……..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;dmac - i objected, and still object, to the implied characterization of palestinians as uneducated.  that’s just completely contrary to my (granted: limited and out of date - it was 2002) experience.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you’ve stretched this waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond my original point and i’ve followed along, willingly. which had to do with basic education and services, and you didn’t state (at least to me) that higher education has become more difficult, i did. what is going on? what is your agenda with this?</p>
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<p>i was disagreeing with your characterization of palestinians in your comment #69:</p>
<blockquote><p>when the vast majority of the population goes uneducated that’s what you get i guess……the educated few can’t rule them dow</p>
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<p>and in my very first comment in response (#70):</p>
<blockquote><p>i don’t think the vast majority of the population of palestinians in the west bank have gone uneducated (although every year it is getting harder and advanced degrees are very difficult indeed).</p>
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<p>i included the caveat on advanced degrees.</p>
<p>……..</p>
<p>dmac &#8211; i objected, and still object, to the implied characterization of palestinians as uneducated.  that’s just completely contrary to my (granted: limited and out of date &#8211; it was 2002) experience.</p>
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