Fourth in a series
John Yoo has said that portions of the chilling March 14, 2003 memo he wrote are just cut and paste of boilerplate from other OLC opinions.
You know what? I believe him. Really, I do. I absolutely believe him.
There are these paragraphs in section B, 2. where there are perfectly sensible, well-supported assertions of the state of the law -- the citations actually stand for the propositions they support and everything.
You know what those passages are? The accurate descriptions of the elements of crimes and examples of behavior that would qualifiy as those crimes. The problem is that Yoo is claiming the U.S. military can commit those crimes with impunity based on his say-so. He describes those crimes perfectly.
Let me walk you through a couple of examples:
From page 24:
At common law, an assault is an attempted battery or an act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm. See, e.g., United States v. Bates, 210 F3d. 64, 68 (1st Cir. 2000).
--snip--By far the most common formulation is that attempted battery is a "willful attempt to inflict injury upon the person of another." United States v. Fallon, 256 F3d. 1082, 1088 (11th Cir. 2001), cert. denied, 534 U.S. 1170 (2002).
From page 25:
In the context of interrogations, if, for example, an interrogator attempted to slap a detainee, such an act would constitute simple assault.
--snip--
In interrogating a detainee, if interrogators were to, for example, show a detainee a device for electronically shocking him and threaten to use it should he refuse to divulge information, such an action would constitute this type of assault.
Here's a long one from page 27, I'm going to leave out the citations to the cases and statutes because it is WAY too much typing, but they're all in the memo itself [long pdf].
With respect to substantial bodily injury, for example, a defendant was convicted of assault resulting in substantial bodily injury for injuries to the victim that included: fracturing the victim's skull, burning his face, and biting him which left a human bite mark on the victim's leg. [citations omitted]
And in In re Murphy, [citation omitted], the magistrate concluded that a "loss of consciousness and a two-day stay in a sick room could qualify as allegations of substantial bodily injury." [citation omitted]
With respect to serious bodily injury, evidence establishing that the victim's cheekbone and eye socket were fractured, and a large laceration created, requiring the victim to undergo reconstructive surgery and leaving her suffering from a permanent disfigurement, established that she had suffered serious bodily injury. [citation omitted]
There's more in this paragraph, but you get the drift.
His description of maiming is even more accurate and gruesome:
Another criminal statute ...makes it a crime for an individual (1) "with the intent to torture (as defined in section 2340), maim, or disfigure" to (2) "cut, bite, or slit the nose ear or lip, or cut out or disable the tongue, or put out or destroy an eye, or cut off or disable a limb or any member of another person." [citation omitted] It further prohibits individuals from "throw[ing] or pour[ing] upon another person any scalding water, corrosive acid, or caustic substance" with like intent.
There are two things that really strike me about this memo, not just how dishonest the "scholarship" is, but also how cold blooded it is. There is no sense in the memo that any of these actions is wrong, or to be avoided. They are described in full gruesome detail yet completely without any sense that they are wrong. He could just have easily been describing something that was going to be done to insects rather than fellow human beings.
Remember the thrust and conclusion of this 81-page nightmare is that the President has the power to authorize all kinds of torture; that if the President authorizes such torture, the persons who commit it are immune from prosecution; and despite clear language in the Constitution that empowers Congress to make rules for the governance of the armed forces (e.g. see my previous post, Up is Down, Hot is Cold), that Congress has no power to pass laws either stopping torture or making it a criminal act.
Sickening.
[Editor's note: The photo atop the post, by takomabibelot, features a banner created and designed by Firedoglake reader BonnieT of Austin, Texas, where she operates OpposeTorture.org.]
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So!
absolutly right, I never could have imagined our country sinking so low.
How can anyone write a memo like that and not be sickened? How does Yoo sleep at night?
“Sickening” doesn’t even begin to describe this.
Holy Shit
Disgusting. Despicable. Intolerable.
“The worst sin towards our fellow man is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; that is the essence of inhumanity” George Bernard Shaw
Excellent post.
That these people are vile and evil has already been established but it seems that just how vile and evil has yet to be discovered
must one be a sociopath before you can desire becoming a politician?
Like their leader, loyal Bushies always sleep well because they lack consciences.
Only if you want to work for the Bush administration.
Isn’t that in the Republic Party Platform?
Thanks lhp.
OT, iirc, the National Lawyers Guild called for Yoo to be disbarred. I’m going to call them and thank them for taking that position. If you have the time or the inclination can you recommend the next most likely group of attorneys I could call to recommend they take the same action as the NLG?
“So” is correct. As blogged elsewhere, none of THE POWERS THAT BE, including any Presidential contenders, give a rats ass about abuse of power, illegal acts including death or dismemberment of detainees. After all they’re just WOGS! The next Administration will not have the desire to investigate this Regime because they want their eight years at the helm of our sinking ship of state.
so what you are saying looseheadedprop, is yoo excuses himself by “claiming” some of what he wrote were “cut and pastes”, this is true in that the factual descriptions and passages of established law yoo cut and pasted
he then went on to say;
“the president is above all law by virue of his position”
I haven’t read the memo, LHP. What was the context for giving these sick examples? Is he giving the military/CIA types ideas of things to do? This is one sick person. Who read this memo when it first came out, and why didn’t they shout it from the rafters?
So you’re saying under BushCo and his BananaRepublicans minions we have become the moral equivalent of Idi Amin and Papa Doc?
Sickening doesn’t begin to describe what these people have done to the Constitution and the rule of law…and this country.
I’ve joked from time to time that Bush taking out Saddam was about avenging his dad, therefore Bush destroying America is all about his dad losing the ‘92 election….
The sad fact, whatever the motivation, the end product is Bush has crapped on everything, everything, that is honorable and decent about this country.
This weekend, watch Valley of Elah for a view of what he’s done for our troops, along with the Bait and Switch b.s. about rotations.
Yoo is just pilot fish cruising at the shark’s mouth. He is a pawn in a
much larger game of desensitizing that has led our nation to this sorry
pass. Look no further than popular culture for many more examples of this
mindset, marketed as strength, manhood, patriotism, the 24 syndrome is
the central theme of video games used to train soldiers and school
shooters. Yoo is just an ambitious geek trying to please his instructors.
It is a culture problem that will not go away of it’s own accord soon.
Cut and past! You mean any two bit criminal could have put this document together with no background in law whatsoever? Where is the scholarship? Did the Principals think that splicing and dicing is acceptable argument to justify their twisted criminal deeds and they could get by with it?
Yoo and the Principals need to be taken down. Where does the ACLU stand on taking up this case? I ask because Congress will have their spineless hearings and nothing results. It seems only the ACLU has the courage, intelligence and true patriotism to bring charges.
Any lawyer types here to shed light further?
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Someone slap Yoo so he will know.
This at TPM:
That photo of Yoo smiling gags me.
I’m reminded of the Chicago School of business that so many of our modern executives follow, which teaches that legal penalties are just another cost of doing business, so if you can make more by breaking the law than the penalty will cost you, the correct business decision is to break the law.
This is much worse, but the mentality is the same — the reason for knowing the law is to figure out how much you can get away with violating it for your own purposes, not because of any sense that it means anything or that any aspect other than the penalty matters.
The table, the table, is Bush/Cheney’s impeachment back on?
Kennedy was vocal, although not calling for impeachment, but an investigation, any others?
Scholarship has no place in the George W. Bush Administration.
LHP - if you have covered this, my apologies..I just thought perhaps someone out there might be interested to know that the Commonwealth of PA does have a process to discipline John Yoo, Esq. From http://www.law.cornell.edu/eth.....A_CODE.HTM
Pennsylvania Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct
INTRODUCTION
Preamble: A Lawyer’s Responsibilities
[1] A lawyer, as a member of the legal profession, is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen having a special responsibility for the quality of justice.…
[5] A lawyer’s conduct should conform to the requirements of the law, both in professional service to clients and in the lawyer’s business and personal affairs. A lawyer should use the law’s procedures only for legitimate purposes and not to harass or intimidate others. A lawyer should demonstrate respect for the legal system and for those who serve it, including judges, other lawyers and public officials. While it is a lawyer’s duty, when necessary, to challenge the rectitude of official action, it is also a lawyer’s duty to uphold legal process…
VIII. MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROFESSION
Rule 8.1 Bar Admission and Disciplinary Matters
An applicant for admission to the bar, or a lawyer in connection with a bar admission application or in connection with a disciplinary matter, shall not:
(a) knowingly make a false statement of material fact; or(b) fail to disclose a fact necessary to correct a misapprehension known by the person to have arisen in the matter, or knowingly fail to respond to a lawful demand for information from an admissions or disciplinary authority, except that this Rule does not require disclosure of information otherwise protected by Rule 1.6.
Rule 8.4 Misconduct
It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to:
(a) violate or attempt to violate the Rules of Professional Conduct, knowingly assist or induce another to do so, or do so through the acts of another;
(b) commit a criminal act that reflects adversely on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects;
(c) engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;(d) engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice;
(e) state or imply an ability to influence improperly a government agency or official or to achieve results by means that violate the Rules of Professional Conduct or other law; or
(f) knowingly assist a judge or judicial officer in conduct that is a violation of applicable rules of judicial conduct or other law…(all boldface items are my doing)
looseheadprop, I just read one of the links and there is this paragraph which is an incorrect characterization;
it could not have “createed a legal environment”, all it could do is give someone the perception that someone thought it might be legal
a memo can’t give you the “legal environment to commit murder no matter what it says and it can’t give you the legal environment to commit torture, which by some measure is worse then murder
Ahhhh…the Yoonitary Executive.
Many thanks. It’s great to see this in bold…
Excellent point, these people, the Yoos, Addingtons, Feiths, et.al.,
are a product, they are schooled and rewarded for just this ability.
There are many infrastructure reconstruction projects these punks
could work, and I mean work, as laborers on so we could recoup some
of the cost of trying them… breaking rocks in the hot sun.
I think you missed an important highlight in your cut and paste
writing opinion to assist the acts of torture easily falls within that perameter
perfect !
You hit the nail on the head. It is so vile and evil that it is impossible for most of us to even enter that gruesome a reality. It is truly unimaginable for most people. Only the most depraved minds can be part of something like this - the hard cord criminal mind. What must it be like to sit in a meeting and coldly devise these grisly tortures. Did they giggle? Did it excite them? Did they catch the heat of excitement from each other?
All it would take is one leader to lead the voice of descent to have stopped the contageous madness. There was not one of the Principals who stopped the maddness. Not one.
Cowards, they are all cowards…
Where the fuck is the outrage?
That cultural shift didn’t “just happen.” Yoo and those he worked with are an active part of it, not just little fish swimming with a tide of culture. And even if he was, if a minor mafia member shoots a guy “to please his instructors,” we don’t say “gosh, that’s a violent culture, nothing will change until we fix the culture,” we put him away for a long time, because he deserves it and because that’s how you fix the culture, too.
Countries that have had Truth and Reconciliation Commissions generally adopt a policy that by coming forward and letting the truth be known, wrongdoers will avoid serious penalty unless they have committed major crimes. If we ever had such a thing, I believe Yoo would easily qualify as one who committed major crimes.
A Simple Song of Freedom (war protest from days gone by). But as war, it seems, is currently being waged on the American people, perhaps a bit of nostalgia will inspire.[Thanks to the Existentialist Cowboy for this link.]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo9Qxmizz4A
Ding. That is a great observation. All this intellectual energy burned up on coming up with rationales for what they can do “legally,” while not so much as a synapse fired in contemplation of what they should do — both in the practical and moral senses.
Yep - missed that.
This entire thing just leaves me stunned. This is my country, the USA, torturing people. I simply can’t believe that we are allowing this but we are. These Repubs are so evil that you really can’t describe them.
I honestly think that Bush and Cheney and so many others truly enjoy the idea of torture. They are all just crazy.
Yoo is an example of the banality of evil. We expect someone who advocates evil to jump out at us with horns and a pichfork, but this is not how it happens. Instead it comes to us in the form of an ordinary looking Korean-American professor from a respectable law school. Therein lies the disconnect. Those who defend or are silent on the subject of John Yoo point to this perfectly reasonable looking person and not the war crimes he promoted and gave legal justification to.
It was overwhemingly about retribution, pure and simple, utilitarian considerations were beside the point. Ledeen-ism.
But that is what the memo did do both with regard to torture and murder (see its last section) and that is how it was used.
And for anyone who thinks that it might be a good idea to file a complaint regarding Mr. Yoo’s misconduct, here is the link to where/how it happens:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/eth.....TM#0.2:200
There is a lot here and I am no expert, but I thought this is important to note:
“…The first step in a formal hearing is filing with the Board a petition setting forth with specificity the charges of misconduct. A copy of the petition shall be personally served on the respondent attorney. Within twenty (20) days after such service, the respondent attorney shall serve an answer upon the Disciplinary Counsel and file the original with the Board. In the event that the respondent attorney fails to file an answer, charges shall be deemed at issue.
“The Board” is:
Disciplinary Board of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
2 Lemoyne Drive
1st Floor
Lemoyne, PA 17043
Chairman - Stephen T. Saltz
Joseph W. Farrell, Executive Director
Chief Disciplinary Counsel - John L. Doherty, Esq.
(717) 731-7073
Now, the whole basis of this is filing the form with the office in the region where the attorney actually practices in PA - Yoo does not practice in PA, so I’m not sure where such a petition would be filed, but the Lemoyne, PA offices are the executive offices(there are field offices in places like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia), so I think that might be a pretty good place to start.
For complaint forms: http://www.padisciplinaryboard.....nsumer.php
Outrage requires knowlege. Fox viewers will never be told the truth. News Corp readers will never be told the truth. Viewers and readers of other news sources will simply not be told.
Hugh - something about those PA Rules of Conduct are that they say specifically that any lawyer who knows that another lawyer has broken the rules or the law has a legal obligation to report it.
How is the international community responding to this?
During WW2 there was a German Prisoner of war camp in my town. The inmates were allowed to work for the farmers and often did yard work at the homes in town.
They had to be back in camp at night but no one ever abused them in any way. Not one ever tried to escape and many of them stayed here and became citizens. Can you imagine something like that happening now?
No torture just human kindness.
Perhaps the Decider decided that this memo does create such a legal environment. Once the the Decider is told what his decision is, nothing can change that.
That cannot happen so long as Republics hold any power.
The McCain/Bush logic is pretty clear. The only opinion that the US should take stock in is that of Al Qaeda.
US allies? Nope, don’t consider what they think, just consider what AQ will boast about.
Talk about defining deviancy downward.
-G
And it continues. The criminal mind rules our government. Where is the outrage? People are more concerned about gas prices, lower wages, higher cost of living, losing their homes, have no healthcare. There nose is to the ground. They stare down at their feet.
Maybe some of you know of another newspaper but I only know of the San Francisco Chronicle (4/11/08) who wrote about Mulkaseys lies during his appearance to Congress.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....008/04/11/
MNRH103EK8.DTL&hw=mukasey&sn=001&sc=1000
How much publicity did Mukasey get when he teared up while exploiting 3,000 people who died on 9/11? I didn’t see much by any media outlet other than the SF Chronicle. Now Hillary received hours, days, weeks of ridicule and condemnation for her tearing up. Does that mean boys can cry but girls can’t?
The reason for Mulkasey’s tears was added drama to his multiple falsehoods to told Congress. Like so many lies, you end up getting caught up in the web. This was part of his “case” he presented to protect me and thee with stronger wire taping laws. He spoke of a mysterious phone call “that came in” that could have prevented 9/11 if the feds had greater wiretaping powers.
The most despicable thing is the fact that these scumbags left the lowly grunts holding the bag in the eyes of the world. Blaming it all on the patheic Lynddie Englands and Charles Grainers of the military.
Knowing full well that they were merely pawns in their sick game.
Moral fucking cowards.
-G
I’m not sure that people are that concerned about those things. If they were, the Republic Party would be completely shut out. Yet, we see McBush with a chance to be the next President.
@49 Try this link to SFGate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....38;sc=1000
When people face crisis conditions, they do not have the luxury of worrying about other people to the extent they would were their circumstances better. “Torture does not affect me directly, but the posibility of losing my home does.”
The culture shift did not occur by happenstance, it was a project
involving the major institutions and foundations in the effort to
prepare citizens for imperial duties. I did not intend to give anyone
a pass for responsibility by ascribing this to culture, maybe I should
spell culture with a k to make the point sharper, also a later post
recommended breaking rocks in the hot sun as partial penence… trials
at the Nuremberg courthouse would be recommended also. There are older
American values that can be restored in the wake of this disaster, and
will require much work to implement due to the entrenchment of the alien
culture among the elites of our country. Denazification simply put.
The only way this is going to show up in the MSM or move the Congress to make a move is for masses of us to start writing, calling and marching.
The law, like medicine or the police, is a fraternity. How many lawyers, doctors, and police know of or have heard instances of massive screwups, failures, or wrongdoing and have not reported them because they are not directly concerned and do not wish to poison their relations with others in their field?
Let us not forget the kidnapping and torture of our troops.
…..and then they came for me.
I think we have been so brainwashed by the plethora of WWII Greatest Generation movies that we cannot grasp that we are the enemy now. These creeps are the worst of the worst. The fact that they would be entitled to the protection of Constitutional Law while denying it to others is the ultimate injury and yet our saving grace, perhaps.
Voters cannot face the fact that they may have embraced monsters.
Human shields for Bush. Bastard.
Very true - when you have a “self-policing” system, all sorts of abuses go unreported. It would make me feel a whole lot better if the PA Bar Association was bringing a petition of complaint to the Disciplinary Board. That would carry some real weight. Just because he does not practice in PA does not mean that he is beyond the reach of the Board.
Exactly. You can make a series of “reasonable” decisions that lead to bad place.
I haven’t heard John Dean’s comments about this yet.
don’t forget that the stop loss, backdoor draft, is sparing most of us the pain of sending a loved one into the hellhole. Again, to your point, it doesn’t affect us directly.
However, most people ARE against the war and been saying same quite adamantly for YEARS now.
So true. A torture memo becomes an abstraction. I see it all around me. When I go to Kaiser I see people struggling along just trying to get through the day. Parents worried about how to coordinate two jobs, the kids and keep a home together. People are ground down to pulp.
Sometimes I feel like I’m eternally caught in Phnom Phem the night before the fall of Cambodia, awaiting the Khmer Rouge.
The Bush family teaches all its members from a very early age that being royalty has its privleges.
baby steps. and then one looks up and sees the line they thought they’d never cross miles behind.
In addition, there was quite an effective slap down of the Lindsay Graham talking points of “higher reenlistements than ever before” BULL by a VN vet on Newshour (!). Quite the volitile and energized discussion. I’ll try to find the link.
We are citizens, not subjects.
Time we started acting that way.
LHP - do you hear anything out of “lawyer-land”? Are there any plans for pushback on John Yoo to get him disbarred?
I’d like to see some pushback on Bush. Knock that crown off his pointed damn head.
FYI I checked the California Bar and American Bar Association search engines (couldn’t find one for Penn.)and Yoomama isn’t listed by any Bar to practice law, though he is entitled to appear in the 9Th Circuit. Huh?
That was good. There was no way this toughtened VietVet was going to be sidelined. He had no trouble speaking truth to power and didn’t waver one iota. Maybe he can replace Mark Shields.
glenn greenwald has been all over this and has a post up today on mukasey’s testimony yesterday before the senate appropriations committee. leahy asked him about this very issue. and if you really want to get into the weeds, i transcribed that bit of the hearing.
Reposted from an earlier thread: On the basis of Yoo’s opinion, perpetrators can plead the good-faith variant of the Nuremberg defense: “I was just following orders relying in good faith on the opinion of counsel.” John McCain wrote that defense into his Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and incorporated it by reference into the MCA in 2006:
Salon and SF Chronicle are addressing it. I can’t find anything in any other newspaper. Where are NYT and WaPo? Not even on WJ this morning or maybe I mised it. Didn’t hear a discussion on it. Ahhh, silence is golden;)
Yeah, he totally rocked. Then the opposing weasel called him a bully, when he wasn’t. I am SO sick of people waxing on about how troop loyalty = support of the mission. Tools. sorry for the long quote and this is but a taste of some good wholesome truth for a change.
Rockin’ Vet vs. Lindsay Lite on Newshour
“I was just following orders relying in good faith on the opinion of counsel.”
Isn’t that what the telecoms said? On the opinion of White House counsel. That should have set off all kinds of alarms.
From the January 15, 2005 Find Law:
OT- reposting this on the fly between meetings in case LHP (though she may already know about it) or any other legal types in the NYC area would be interested to attend:
Bi-Annual Criminal Justice Retreat - A Summit on The Prosecution Function
Saturday, April 12, 2008 9 am – 2 pm
Keynote Speaker- Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Panelists/Speakers-
PREET BHARARA
Chief Counsel to Senator Charles E. Schumer, Senate Judiciary Committee
HON. DANIEL M. DONOVAN
District Attorney, Richmond County
HON. JOHN MCKAY
Former United States Attorney, Western District of Washington
BRUCE GREEN
Louis Stein Professor of Law and Director, Louis Stein Center for Law and Ethics, Fordham University School of Law
LEONARD S. JOBLOVE
Assistant District Attorney and Chief of Appeals, Kings County
PETER KIRCHHEIMER
Attorney-in-Charge, Federal Defenders of New York, Eastern District of New York
HON. DENISE O’DONNELL
New York State Commissioner of Criminal Justice Services; Former United States Attorney, Western District of New York
WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
Reporter, The New York Times
CAPTAIN CHRISTIAN L. REISMEIER
Judge Advocate General’s Corps, United States Navy, Office of the Judge Advocate General
HON. ERIC T. SCHNEIDERMAN
New York State Senator
HON. LESLIE CROCKER SNYDER
Retired Justice, New York Supreme Court; Attorney, Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman
CYRUS R. VANCE, JR.
Morvillo, Abramowitz, Grand, Iason, Anello & Bohrer PC
They didn’t call for him to be disbarred AFAIK. The National Lawyer Guild called for him to be dismissed from Berkeley.
Some others to watch for : American Constitution Society, The American Freedom Campaign, maybe even the Association of the Bar of the City of New York (but that may be a stretch)
if we’re lucky the wapo will cover the story on page a16
“…Leahy: Then we don’t need FISA to monitor a foreign source.
Mukasey: We shouldn’t need it.
Leahy: We didn’t need it then. And we don’t today.”
Ding, Ding, Ding. Gotcha.
Sounds like we need a blogswarm.
from wiki
just sayin’
Loo Hoo,
This memo has only been public for about a week. It’s 81 pages long, so it took more than 10 minutes to read it, and I did go do some cite checking on it. ALL this week I HAVE been shouting from the rafters. There’s more in this series
I saw that. Peters bragged that re-enlistment rates were high. Muller brought up stop loss. Peters disputed the numbers and then said those affected by stop loss should just suck it up. Peters never explained why if there was so much re-enlistment why the military had to institute stop loss and lower its recruiting standards.
if the foo shits….
Yoo is an Eichmann, a consumate bureaucrat. Eichman knew better, but the
new kulture of the nazis gave his ambition cover.
:D So true. If you want important headline news from WaPo, start in the middle of the paper and continue working backwards.
How does it feel to be an un-Principal-ed Power-Monger these days?
Run Like Hell - Pink Floyd
Looks like Russet’s plannin’ to phone in another Meet The “Press” this weekend. The Four Horsemen of the Consultaclypse.
Don’t you sillies know its all about the process? Ethics, law, honor be damned….
In addition to being a political sop, the big reduction in deployment time must be a desperate attempt to up recruitment. Why should anyone be foolish enough to believe a thing this lying administration promises? Every time I think of brave men and women who volunteered to serve this country in Afghanistan after 911 only to be shipped to Iraq to fight for a lie……
THANK YOU TOBY.
I’m not admitted in Pa, and it’s a commonwealth and they sometimes are out of step with other states (I did a 50 state research project when Iw as in law school for the Dean who was writing a book, and the commonwealths and Louisiana realy are VERY different from the other states)–so I have stayed away from this topic, cause I have zero expertise about Pa disciplinary rules.
LHP,
Thanks for all your hard work on this important issue. It is appreciated.
They can’t have repudiated Bybee that much or shifted blame on to him considering that the Administration rewarded him with a position on the the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Peters also completely dismissed the trauma on these soldiers. It all really reminds me of the arrogance and stubborn stupidity of all high command in WWI (just to name one example).
I’m so sick of it. We’ve seen it before and yet it continues unabated.
LHP - I’m sort of a “good doo-bee” — If you or Jane or Christy says, “To the phones, people!!” I’m right there because I know what I personally can do - fax, write, call. But THIS - this is so — horrific and ugly and messy and disgusting and threatening that …well, I can’t get my arms around it at all. I don’t know WHAT to do. I’m just a working housewife from Upstate New York - I’m not a lawyer or a Constitutional Scholar - I’m just…scared to death and want to do something meaningful..that’s going to really help. I just don’t know what.
Yes, exactly
Looks like Face The Nation’s going to be the place to watch this Sunday, with maybe Snuffy’s show for Jimmy Carter.
Want an explanation for tanking GE stock first quarter? Just go look at Russet’s lineup.