Third in a series
This is one of those "you just can't make up something crazier than this" moments. Any 3rd grader taking American History could do better than this. You don't need a law degree, or even a HS degree to see how wrong Yoo has gone with this one:
John Yoo begins a paragraph (footnote 13) by quoting the section of the US Constitution that provides that Congress can "make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces" to conclude at the end of his paragraph that "Any effort by Congress to use its power to make rules for the armed forces would thus be ..... unconstitutional."
Lest you think I am unfairly taking his words out of context, let me give his ENTIRE paragraph exactly as written:
It might be thought that Congress could enact legislation that regulated the conduct of interrogations under its authority to "make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces." U.S. Const. Art. I § 8, cl. 14. The question whether Congress could use this power to regulate military commissions was identified and reserved by the Supreme Court [LHP note-that means SCOTUS did not rule either way]. Ex Parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1, 29 (1942). Our office has determined that Congress cannot exercise its authority to make rules for the Armed Forces to regulate military commissions. Memorandum for Daniel J. Bryant, Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legislative Affairs, from Patrick Philbin, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel, Re: Swift Justice Authorization Act at 7 (Apr. 8, 2002). If military commissions are considered an integral part of the conduct of military operations, then the conduct of interrogations of enemy combatants during wartime must be as such a core element of the President's power to successfully prosecute war. Any effort by Congress to use its power to make rules for the armed forces would thus be unconstitutional, as such rules would be with regard to military commissions.
[All internal links supplied by LHP.]
Got that? The Constitution says Congress can make rules that govern the armed forces, the Supreme Court had never ruled that Congress is in any way prohibited from making rules that govern military commissions, but nonetheless OLC has decided that Congress cannot make rules pertaining to military commissions and therefore any attempt by Congress to use the power which the Constitution grants to it in plain unequivocal language is clearly unconstitutional.
Further, he does not accurately reflect what the court said in Quirin. What the court actually said was that the defendants in Quirin who were objecting to being tried by military commissions instead of in a civilian court had no basis for challenging the legality of the existence of the military commissions precisely because CONGRESS HAD AUTHORIZED the creation of military commissions in Articles 38, 46, 81 and 82 -- of the Articles of War by which Congress declared war against the Axis powers in WWII.
The Constitution confers on the President the executive Power, Art II, 1, cl. 1, and imposes on him the duty to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. Art. II, 3. It makes him the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy, Art. II, 2, cl. 1, and empowers him to appoint and commission officers of the United States. Art. II, 3, cl. 1.
The Constitution thus invests the President as Commander in Chief with the power to wage war which Congress has declared, and to carry into effect all laws passed by Congress for the conduct of war and for the government and regulation of the Armed Forces, and all laws defining and punishing offences against the law of nations, including those which pertain to the conduct of war.
By the Articles of War, Congress has provided rules for the government of the Army.
Get it? SCOTUS said that military commissions authorized by a law passed by Congress were legal for the president to use. How that translates to "Congress cannot make any laws" defies all logic.
Let me tell you something else the Quirin court found:
By universal agreement and practice the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.
I can't tell what the Philbin memo might say, because as far as my googling skills can tell, it's still a secret. But considering how he has misrepresented what a publicly available SCOTUS decision said, I'm not expecting much help for his position to show up in a memo he expected to remain secret. Call me suspicious.
UPDATE: with a big tip o' the hat to Prof. Foland in the comments. He gives us this additional nugget
One might also take note of this other section of Article I, Section 8 (clause 11, if I managed to count right):
[The Congress shall have Power] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
"captures on Land and Water" can mean booty and it can also mean detainees.
[Editor's note: The photo atop the post, by takomabibelot, features a banner created and designed by Firedoglake reader BonnieT of Austin, Texas, where she operates OpposeTorture.org.]
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So, LHP!
It makes me sick
Dick would be saying So!
we are in deep doo dooo,it happened very quickly,9/11 changed evrything……………………….for the worse……and
McSame has this in mind…AP
Republican U.S. presidential candidate John McCain said on Wednesday he would not rule out launching preemptive wars against future enemies.
One might also take note of this other section of Article I, Section 8 (clause 11, if I managed to count right):
emphasis mine.
Here’s the thing. I see the Constitution as my contract with my government. It’s written in plain language, for precisely the reason that the contract is not with lawyers, but with citizens. It’s simply not acceptable to “lawyer away” everything in that contract that normal citizens can understand by reading with their own (apparently lying) eyes.
Now that’s the kind of legal take-down I can follow!
Enemies, enemies everywhere! It’s like inmates in an insane asylum who sees attacking insects everywhere. Let’s get them first before they get us.
If McCain sees so many enemies in every corner of the world, perhaps he needs to be admitted to asylum.
I cannot wait for this to get airplay over and over in the General election. McCain equals the same Bush Cheney policies that have led us to where we are at right now. I hope this sinks him. The War Monger, McCain.
thanks LHP
(diane rehm on olympics today, member of IOC on panel, on npr right now, send letters. drshow@wamu.org )
LHP,
How can someone like Yoo be so smart yet so stooopid? What is his excuse? Consequentialism? I hope he is relegated to live the rest of his life in shame and scorn.
It’s simply not acceptable to “lawyer away” everything in that contract that normal citizens can understand by reading with their own (apparently lying) eyes.
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the corporate WHORE media has done a good job of keeping average peeps in their place imo
looseheadsuspiciousprop.. I don’t think so.
Reading this reminds me of listening to oral arguments before SCOTUS, where one justice or another will interrupt any lawyer who tries to spout this kind of misrepresentation.
Checks and balances: what a good idea, on so many levels.
Thanks, LHP!
So how did this guy who makes up the law as he goes along get hired by UC Berkeley?
I don’t get it.
I really appreciate these posts LHP. I can really see how it’s doubly offensive to career practitioners like you and CHS.
IANAL, but if I had invested my life into the practice of law, and the development and fair application of precedent, I would make it my special duty to bring this guy down.
Where does the ABA stand on this kind of trash?
I agree. The Constitution was written for the general population to read, not lawyers to interpret for us. As I read the CFonstitution, it is very clear unambiguous language. When I read a lawyer’s account of the Constitution it is garbled,senseless gobblegook coming from some ulteria agenda. I can tell the difference.
Prestige is attractive to allumini.
It’s all about Development.
The biggest scandal of the Bush-Cheney years will be this: that they were not impeached and convicted by Congress. Not a Republican Congress nor a Democratic one.
Future generations (perhaps living under a far more onerous regime than this one) will look back at us and wonder what the hell we were doing or thinking for all those years?
Congress will get nowhere issuing subpoenas — not as long as the Executive Branch, aka DoJ, has anything to say about it. The Founders understood this and that is why they created impeachment by the House and conviction by the Senate. They knew that in a case of last resort, impeachment was the one way to remove a “unitary executive,” aka a tyrant/dictator.
It’s a shame Congress hasn’t listened to the people — and Congressional Democrats must share this blame along with Republicans.
On another note, more on spying on Americans:
Dozens of secret connections gives FBI instant wiretaps to the nation’s communications carriers
So how’s that working for them now I wonder?
No one could have anticipated…
Sorry I’m late to the thread gang, my mom called on the phone, my cousins are coming to visit from Texas and my niece was in the newspaper today, so she had to catch me up on all the family news.
Prof Foland, if you hit refresh, you will see I have added your additional nugget as an update, and thank you for pointing that out.
Like YoungsTown Steel, Mr. Yoo seems to have neglected to mention that little piece of the Constitution.
He got hired in 1993 at Berkeley, more or less right out of Yale Law school. They knew he was conservative, but that’s OK — every school needs a mix of voices to give a full perspective on the law.
It was after he joined the Boalt Hall faculty that that Yoo embarked on his trail of malpractice. There’s a big difference in writing articles and papers that must face peer review and the potential for public accolades or scorn on the one hand, and writing opinions in the OLC/BushCo bubble that were designed never to see the light of day, let alone any critical and disapproving eyes.
I’d 707 but sadly it’s not really funny anymore.
LHP - Did you see this?
NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD CALLS ON BOALT HALL TO DISMISS LAW PROFESSOR JOHN YOO, WHOSE TORTURE MEMOS LED TO COMMISSION OF WAR CRIMES
Yoo bio at Boalt Hall.
wtf
This is pretty strong stuff for so early in the morning. Thanks for doing this LH. The only way to excise this cancer is to get it out in the sunlight.
How they got away with so much is because no one including even my paranoid self could bring herself to believe they would do it. We have supposed for so long (neoliberal economists excepted) that our government is basically operated by people of conventional good will, and could not conceive of it being run by true criminals. John Dean was right. These guys make Nixon look like a piker.
Even now, when I explain to my friends and wife what has gone on, they look at me like I’m a madman. Most educated people I know simply do not understand the magnitude of the coup d’etat that occurred in December, 2000. Ordinary people piled up in airports because the FAA decided that its ‘customers’ were the airlines, not the travelling public, are beginning to figure it out. The Broderites will take a bit longer.
Future Presidents will use Bush-Cheney as impeachment protection. They will argue that their actions do not rise to the level of those of Bush-Cheney, so they should not be impeached either. Thanks, Nancy.
John Yoo is clearly not a stupid (in the intellectual sense) man. His actions in drafting this piece of sh… ahem, birdcage liner, were obviously deliberate and knowing.
one of the (many) outrageously dishonest arguments yoo uses again and again is to first take an inappropriate example, like the laws against assault, in order to show that obviously these do not apply to the president in wartime (since he can order soldiers to kill) and then to attempt to generalize that example to mean that NO laws can apply to the president in war time.
trying to follow yoo’s logic (?) just made me crazy.
The parallels to Mario Puzo’s infamous “Logic of Lawyers” is striking here. He said in the Godfather that “a lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a man with a gun.”
Corollary: A politician with a lawyer can try to do anything.
Until he gets caught.
Huh? I do not comprehend
Exactattactly! Um, er, indubitubly!
you read my mind
Booshies are the syndicate, period
He graduated from Harvard undergrad and Yale law school. He has had his ticket punched in terms of clerking for a federal judge. He is very well credentialed
i had the same response in 2002 after reading the geneva conventions when rumsfeld claimed they didn’t apply to the”WOT.”
I don’t know, but the National Lawyers Guild just called on the law school to fire him.
I think he’s just a master of the ancient art of Llap-Goch.
Pre coffee silliness.. In response to the last line in your post..)
LHP -
I see the good professor attempts his Quirin flim-flammery again in this piece in student paper -
Daily Californian 01/08
the article is filled with his well documented circular logic
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ok, but in same paragraph -
clearly the Yoo’s of this world see us all as seven year olds - unbelievable
gotta keep saying it… i LOVE the NLG.
Nice!
Now, that’s what I’m talking about.
Gee, Professor Foland, you almost sound like Ron Paul, or Mickey Edwards, or Bruce Fein, or Al Gore, any or all of us! Who’d have thunk that the Constitution would be so scrutable?!!
I think a lot of folks in and recently out of government were paralyzed for a long time because they just could not bring themselves to believe what they were seeing and hearing. Many good people got punked.
Yeah, so was Clarence Thomas and look at the lipstick they slathered on that pig. Has he even been conscious for oral arguments at the court? Or does he just get the cliff notes from Scalia’s clerk, toss a coin and go back to sleep?
I found this statement on Boat Halls faculty page:
“Boalt Hall’s faculty members are renowned for their scholarship and innovative and dedicated teaching. They are the foundation of Boalt’s reputation as a center for the study of law and legal institutions, and for training the next generation of leaders of the bar and bench.”
Having John Yoo training the next generation of leaders is one scary thought.
unless i’m the only person who finds reading yoo turns my brain cells to mush, i’ve got to think that’s part of the strategy. it doesn’t matter if one makes any sense, the important thing is to shock and awe your opponent into a state of paralyzed confusion.
That announcement by the NLG made my day yesterday. I wonder how much influence they have on making this happen.
According to Jan Crawford Greenberg and her book on the SCOTUS which we had at a recent book salon, it’s actually the other way around and Scalia follows Thomas more than Thomas follows Scalia.
That was one of the big surprises of the book for me
Yoo has been portrayed as a conservative lawyer with strong ideas about governmental power. What the Yoo memo shows is that not only was he an enthusiastic backer of torture but that he was also a really, really bad lawyer. IANAL but the memo reads like a very bad joke. Not only is it repellant in its content and often wrong, its reasoning is made up of blind assertions, and its form, short on legal sourcing but long on self-reference, is a travesty of legal writing.
I also think that the gutting of public education has contributed to this because kids don’t have Civics class as a requirement for graduation. I have no children, but my jaw dropped when my twenty-something nephew (who was very interested and motivated and had just graduated from a state university) was asking me the very most basic questions about how the government operated.
I wish I wasn’t so paranoid that I hadn’t concluded that this is part of the vast rightwing consipiracy a la Norquist.
The National Lawyers Guild is a pretty left organization. Very Liberal.
So, they have influence of the Democratic wing of the Democratic lawyers out there. They are the DFH of law. They are like us.
Not enough coffee in the world to help my poor brain unravel this:
Yoo went thru Harvard Law and is now at Berkeley?
Makes me want to take to my fainting couch early today… blergh
Seriously, deep thanks to you, LHP. I hope you’re doing well.
Make sure to get out into that beautiful springtime sunshine on a regular basis.
ABA - nothing in direct response to the memo’s release to date
Federalist Society - zip, zero, nada
although there is a pdf from Will Consovoy/Fed. Soc. ‘reviewing’ Yoo’s book - will take a peek when I have time - just curious to see the contortions involved in covering for this schlock
pdf linky
That the problem. They are a good idea, if they are observed as they are meant to be. If they are ignored by the very people who are part of the checks, if they are dismissed as unenforceable, then the people supposed to be doing the checking and balancing become aiders and abettors instead. The McCains and Kyls and all the rest, including Pelosi and Reid, have become a part of the problem. They are the accomplices of criminals and felons. Very few in Congress are not; Feingold isn’t, he’s railed against it. I would argue that a few others aren’t, but the majority of the Senate are accomplices. That is the sad fact as I see it.
It is astoundingly bad on sourcing. Not just for what it leaves out, but for the total lack of citation for many of the more horrific statements which are nonetheless delivered as if settled, but also for the misuse and of citations which really don’t support the propositions they are meant to support.
I didn’t fact check all of them, I just randomly checked a few that seemed unlikely and, lo and behold, the citation often did not say waht he was offering it for.
Lots of apples and oranges conflated together. I was really shocked.
Thanls for the good wishes.
No, Yoo went to Harvard undergrad, Yale for law school
Draining the swamp:
The National Lawyers Guild is taking the responsible role of oversight that the American Bar Association would do well to address also. We’ll see.
I surely would like to know who recommended John Yoo to the Boalt School in Berkeley. Let the sunshine in on this one. We need names, rank and telephone numbers. Since when does Berkeley hire third rate lawyers to its faculty? Somebody got pressure from somebody!
LHP 38 and 53.
Sounds good to me! How’d he get where he was/is in the 1st place?!
It sounds like a contrarian assertion made to sell a book. Clarence Thomas the great behind the scenes intellectual of the Court. Yeah, right, just like it isn’t Cheney pulling Bush’s strings but Bush pulling Cheney’s.
And just keep everyone on the same repetitive meme/lie about all of it.. Seems to work very well for the fascist shock doctors. It’s so effective.. I am in the same boat as Knut when trying to explain the situation to low info citizens..
The best recent example is how much difficulty I have had when raising a stink over the Clinton School hiring Yoo to speak.. Folks just think I am anti Clinton.. and never actually consider Yoo’s behavior or the result of allowing him to be greeted with respect and high speaking fees.
as I have said relentlessly, this man wrote these opinions and they enjoy the deferance of a president and his justice department
they WILL carry the weight of precendence and history, they will ALWAYS be referenced and used for later decisions
unless either the president or the lawyer that wrote the opinion is rebuked
this can only happen through impeachment (off the table)
or disbarment
yoo must be disbarred, there is no choice
Good credentials
Don’t know if that makes me feel better or not.
For the record, my brilliant, accomplished, humble, ever-so-generous, sweet brother attended Yale undergrad.
It ain’t the school, luv. Just sayin’…
but you is a good lawyer and before these memos he’s been respected
I am certain though most people disagree, that yoo could only write these opinions if he was given a guarantee, a wink and a nod, that the supreme court would agree with his findings
otherwise he is a mad man, he is not a fool and he knows as a fact these writings fly in the face of law and our constitution, I cannot believe he would write these without the gaurantee that he will be redeemed if there is a scotus challenge
I am convinced he has that gaurantee
I have no personal knowledge. Just passing on what I read. She is considered pretty authoritative when it comes to the Court. Or maybe they were scamming her, trying to make Thomas look better. Dunno
LHP -
pls recall when ABA released it’s lowest ever eval criteria for a SCOTUS nominee with Thomas - that was their case against him - schlock and slop
don’t have time as I’m literally headed out door but will google around for ya later today
Sounds like the Clintons and the Bushes and Mark Penn. Harvard and Yale and the Vietnam push and play generation
Here’s what Jan had to say:
It’s not just her opinion, trying to sell some books. She’s got the documents like Blackmun’s notes to back it up.
for some background on the NLG, read this history and then compare them to the federalist society.
… and for all us non-lawyers, one doesn’t have to be a lawyer to support the NLG - i’ve volunteered with them on several occasions as a legal observer, and recommend it.
good creds don’t necessarily signal good ethics. Yooooexxxhibit A.
But the SCOTUS will never get to opine on the opinion itself. Goldsmith rescinded this (and its companion) opinion. This memo no longer means anything. All it was is a defense for CIA and soldiers on the ground who were forced to commit war crimes when their objections to doing so were overridden by this memo
And this man is a law professor? It boggles the mind. It’s even a ‘real university’ and not some Oral Roberts, Jerry Fawell type rinkydink university. They should be ashamed.
BOOT YOO FROM BOALT HALL!!
LHP!
So I guess I can’t object to the “King’s” troops being quartered in my house anymore?
And got tenure at Berkeley. This is an example of why people are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to go to these schools. Even if you are a mediocrity or less than a mediocrity, a diploma from these schools opens doors. I have seen professors get giddy over the prospect of hiring what was a total slacker but a slacker from the Ivy League. Even when they realized they had been had it didn’t stop them from doing it again the next time around.
So yes, Yoo has great credentials, which doesn’t change the fact that he is a fourth rate legal thinker.
Yoo is not a lawyer. He is an academic professional and institutional guy. Likely, like Clarence Thomas and John Roberts, he has never been resposible for his paycheck.
ashamed??? They should bounce him out on his oooooooo
Is that in Supreme Conflict? Or one of her other books?
Supreme Conflict. See my 70.
The NLG was meant to be an alternative to the ABA. In fact, I believe, it was formed in protest when the ABA was segregated.
The American Constitutional Society is meant to be the counterpoint to the Federalist Society.
leaving with a completely subjective note -
Pariah ! - outside of a few headcases at Federalist Society - he will be treated as an untouchable by his peers and deservedly so
there is professional vanity and this maniac has it in spades - am comforted knowing all that ambition brought him the exact opposite of what he sought
further, he is the only child of Asian immigrants - flame if you must, but he will have brought shame on his family - the ultimate sin
none of this comes close to the inhumane treatment suffered at his ramblings but will be satisfied seeing him subjected to the OJ treatment he so richly deserves
Credentials from Yale and Harvard might seem great, but Bush has similar credentials. To restore the aura of greatness, those schools need to recall the degrees given to Bush.
So… How do we get to the point that he’s writing legal opinions which guide our formerly esteemed country into the gutter?
Why does ANYONE feel obliged to follow this trashtalk masquerading as policy?!
ENOUGH!
yet the memo is no protection under our law, yoo’s “opinion” can’t possibly carry weight enough to relieve them of responsibility
I forget who said it, one of the generals or commanders who insisted and dressed down rumsfeld right to his face and told him in no uncertain terms a soldier has an obligation to pro actively stop a torture situation no matter who commits that torture
what you are saying is yoo knew his memo was going to be rebuked yet wanted to give those “an excuse” to commit torture.
I cannot believe that “excuse” will excuse anybody
thanks for placing the institutional players in their proper role for me.
There is a way to get Yoo to resign. Apply his own memo. I wonder how many slaps to the side of the head it would take before he sighned. Bet he’d do so at just the mention of his own memo.
Has Yoo shown any sign of remorse or self doubt in the past few months?
Perris - it was Chair of JCOS Peter Pace
ouch. there you go again. i like a good spritely quaker spirit *g*
and then i start thinking i must be mad…. it’s really horrible. but if i go do the hermit thing for a bit, it helps me to get my bearings back again.
I’m sorry but I think this is mostly BS. A “fresh look”, come on. Is that what they are calling being a mindless, kneejerk reactionary these days? And O’Connor moving to the left? She is and was a conservative, not just as goofy a one as others on the Court.
What this more likely shows is that Scalia being more of a legal thinker than Thomas at least would look at other analyses before going with his conservative instincts. Thomas never had the interest or the smarts to do this.
John Yoo has no conscience. Ask yourself if Ted Bundy felt any remorse. People like that only feel remorse at getting caught/exposed. He doesn’t want to feel any of the pain he inflicted. Signs of a true psychopath.
when the center moves so far to the right, it can look that way without o’connor having moved at all.
Nope, in fact he is scheduled to be on a panel of privacy vs. National Security Law at Berkley in the near future.
He is just as bold as brass
ding.
ot - Buchanan on msnbc: “the table is being set for air strikes on Iran”
ya, that was GREAT, and watching rumsfeld squirm was INCREDIBLE becuase he KNEW pace was telling him;
“you are a criminal and we are not happy”
isn’t it possible that yoo thinks he is doing good? that he is working on the side of the angels? and without a mass public repudiation, he has no reason to reconsider or doubt?
93 and 95
*shudder*
responsible people in our country must not tolerate this person in a position of power.
The good citizens of Berkeley may also have something to say about Yoo’s appearance. This is not an indifferent crowd. Ever see them go after a smoker walking down the street?
Once a member of the Establishment always a member of the Establishment, or very nearly so. The Boalt faculty can’t question Yoo’s credentials without questioning the legitimacy of their own. So I see some of them raising the standard of academic freedom when what is at issue here is the commission and justification of war crimes. I see others expressing “discomfort” privately at his views, but publically I see them doing nothing.
… just so long as you clean up afterwards.
i hate it when people drop their burned-out butts on the street.