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	<title>Comments on: The Poisoned Landscape I: Race, Gender, And Election 2008</title>
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		<title>By: SueN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SueN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting post. I look forward to the rest in the series. Your comments here, too, were on the money. There is a lot of internalized (and not so internalized) misogyny among many of the male “progressive” bloggers, which is very disturbing to see. Whatever the outcome of this primary, I have lost all respect for a number of sites (and one particular newscaster) who I used to enjoy reading (viewing) at one time. The misogyny and irrationality of the left is just as sickening as their counterparts on the right. They have become those who they rail against. And as a lifelong democrat, I have also become greatly, and perhaps irretrievably, disillusioned with my party leadership and their failure to lead or to fight for democratic principles.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I look forward to the rest in the series. Your comments here, too, were on the money. There is a lot of internalized (and not so internalized) misogyny among many of the male “progressive” bloggers, which is very disturbing to see. Whatever the outcome of this primary, I have lost all respect for a number of sites (and one particular newscaster) who I used to enjoy reading (viewing) at one time. The misogyny and irrationality of the left is just as sickening as their counterparts on the right. They have become those who they rail against. And as a lifelong democrat, I have also become greatly, and perhaps irretrievably, disillusioned with my party leadership and their failure to lead or to fight for democratic principles.</p>
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		<title>By: ACitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My cave is, I admit a trifle drafty, but one thing it does have is…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030908dnpoldemvoters.3a5249f.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
High speed internet access.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What many here refuse to face is that lukasiak is absolutely correct in saying that you are watching, for yet one more time, the Republicans run the Southern Strategy the difference today is that Obama is helping them do it and remains oblivious to that fact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He along with the ‘Do-nothing’ Dead Loser Caucus in Congress able led by Miss Nancy and ‘SellOut’ Reid have done the seeming impossible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Put McSame in a position where he can win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And barring some big event between now and November….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s just what the numbers are  showing he will do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cave is, I admit a trifle drafty, but one thing it does have is…..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030908dnpoldemvoters.3a5249f.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
High speed internet access.</a></p>
<p>What many here refuse to face is that lukasiak is absolutely correct in saying that you are watching, for yet one more time, the Republicans run the Southern Strategy the difference today is that Obama is helping them do it and remains oblivious to that fact.</p>
<p>He along with the ‘Do-nothing’ Dead Loser Caucus in Congress able led by Miss Nancy and ‘SellOut’ Reid have done the seeming impossible.</p>
<p>Put McSame in a position where he can win.</p>
<p>And barring some big event between now and November….</p>
<p>That’s just what the numbers are  showing he will do.</p>
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		<title>By: blueracine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/the-poisoned-landscape-i-race-gender-and-election-2008/#comment-1382566</link>
		<dc:creator>blueracine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I just had a flash of that feeling I get at a meeting when I (or another woman) suggest something, am ignored, and a guy later suggests the same thing and gets fulsome praise for his original idea.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I get that feeling more than I used to get hot flashes! And, it’s still happening all the time to me — in the dem party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also think that if you are going to review the difference between male and female voters you have to take into consideration the differences in their priorities. Women tend to be more in tune with issues like elderly care because typically caring for our older parents falls on us (please note I said typically). The same can be said for child care, household budgets and very often healthcare. Because women typically make less than men in the workforce it’s more economical to have the woman miss a day of work to take sick kids to the doctor or attend to elderly parents.&lt;br /&gt;
Also, when you look at the difference between the way the campaigns of Obama and Clinton have been run you see a distinct gender and generational difference. My days of rock concert like political appearances appealing to me died about the same time I decided live concerts of some of my favorites, like Ozzy, are better heard on CD than in a crushing crowd where I have to wait to pee for 20 minutes. So, Clinton supporters are, from my experience from phone banking for her, more “calm” and tend to want to hear more substance and less brouhaha. I don’t want someone to make me feel good, I have Xanax for that;), I want answers and someone with a record I can relate to. I’m quite poor, but I can still relate much better to Clintons than Obamas.&lt;br /&gt;
I also spoke to a substantial amount of men while phone banking and it seems to me that they could relate better to Hillary because they have wives, mothers, sisters, etc. that they trust more than someone they don’t know well. Race never came up, not that it wasn’t in the back of their minds, but it was much more about trusting women in their own lives over strangers.&lt;br /&gt;
And, forgive me for the length of this post. But, there is a good reason for most computers to have female voices. This is a must read for this topic. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/476689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why female voices&lt;/a&gt;.From that Q&amp;A forum I found this particualy germane to this discussion:&lt;br /&gt;
Frank Farley, a psychologist at Temple University, said the fact people are complaining about the male voice may be because fathers — meaning males — generally are viewed as the disciplinarians in the family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a wider societal context, he said males also are associated with control and power — attributes some find unsettling in an age of increased surveillance and war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The male voice lends itself more to that fear,” said Farley, past president of the American Psychological Association. “If they get a more soothing female voice, it may be that people don’t care so much about the rule aspect of it.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I just had a flash of that feeling I get at a meeting when I (or another woman) suggest something, am ignored, and a guy later suggests the same thing and gets fulsome praise for his original idea.</em></p>
<p>I get that feeling more than I used to get hot flashes! And, it’s still happening all the time to me — in the dem party.</p>
<p>I also think that if you are going to review the difference between male and female voters you have to take into consideration the differences in their priorities. Women tend to be more in tune with issues like elderly care because typically caring for our older parents falls on us (please note I said typically). The same can be said for child care, household budgets and very often healthcare. Because women typically make less than men in the workforce it’s more economical to have the woman miss a day of work to take sick kids to the doctor or attend to elderly parents.<br />
Also, when you look at the difference between the way the campaigns of Obama and Clinton have been run you see a distinct gender and generational difference. My days of rock concert like political appearances appealing to me died about the same time I decided live concerts of some of my favorites, like Ozzy, are better heard on CD than in a crushing crowd where I have to wait to pee for 20 minutes. So, Clinton supporters are, from my experience from phone banking for her, more “calm” and tend to want to hear more substance and less brouhaha. I don’t want someone to make me feel good, I have Xanax for that;), I want answers and someone with a record I can relate to. I’m quite poor, but I can still relate much better to Clintons than Obamas.<br />
I also spoke to a substantial amount of men while phone banking and it seems to me that they could relate better to Hillary because they have wives, mothers, sisters, etc. that they trust more than someone they don’t know well. Race never came up, not that it wasn’t in the back of their minds, but it was much more about trusting women in their own lives over strangers.<br />
And, forgive me for the length of this post. But, there is a good reason for most computers to have female voices. This is a must read for this topic. <a href="http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/476689" rel="nofollow">Why female voices</a>.From that Q&amp;A forum I found this particualy germane to this discussion:<br />
Frank Farley, a psychologist at Temple University, said the fact people are complaining about the male voice may be because fathers — meaning males — generally are viewed as the disciplinarians in the family.</p>
<p>In a wider societal context, he said males also are associated with control and power — attributes some find unsettling in an age of increased surveillance and war.</p>
<p>“The male voice lends itself more to that fear,” said Farley, past president of the American Psychological Association. “If they get a more soothing female voice, it may be that people don’t care so much about the rule aspect of it.”</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/the-poisoned-landscape-i-race-gender-and-election-2008/#comment-1382526</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the south, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas and louisiana are all in play&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder how much the Seigelman thing hurts Repubs in Alabama? Could Dems campaign there to win or would it only be to stretch Repub dollars?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the south, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas and louisiana are all in play</p>
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<p>I wonder how much the Seigelman thing hurts Repubs in Alabama? Could Dems campaign there to win or would it only be to stretch Repub dollars?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr Bush, during a speech in which he ordered an indefinite halt in US troop withdrawals from Iraq this summer, called Iran one of the two “greatest threats to America in this century” - together with al-Qaeda…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An argument like that needs some proof to back it up. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no public knowledge which inclines Americans to be afraid of Iran, so if he wants to say we should be worried the onus is on him to prove it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mr Bush, during a speech in which he ordered an indefinite halt in US troop withdrawals from Iraq this summer, called Iran one of the two “greatest threats to America in this century” &#8211; together with al-Qaeda…</p>
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<p>An argument like that needs some proof to back it up. </p>
<p>There is no public knowledge which inclines Americans to be afraid of Iran, so if he wants to say we should be worried the onus is on him to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The McCain campaign claims they’ll make California competitive regardless of Rice. Their claims precede this latest Rice boomlet.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every Republican campaign asserts that their “internal polling” tells them this, and that they will campaign prominently in California as a result.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They need to say it for fundraising purposes. And to mobilize the Party so that they are not utterly humiliated in Congressional and Statewide campaigns.It also might pare away some of the campaign resources from the Democratic campaign…and thus allow some competition elsewhere. But to win California McCain would have to pour hundreds of millions into the State while his opponent utterly ignored it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not going to happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The McCain campaign claims they’ll make California competitive regardless of Rice. Their claims precede this latest Rice boomlet.
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<p>Every Republican campaign asserts that their “internal polling” tells them this, and that they will campaign prominently in California as a result.</p>
<p>They need to say it for fundraising purposes. And to mobilize the Party so that they are not utterly humiliated in Congressional and Statewide campaigns.It also might pare away some of the campaign resources from the Democratic campaign…and thus allow some competition elsewhere. But to win California McCain would have to pour hundreds of millions into the State while his opponent utterly ignored it.</p>
<p>That’s not going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I actually hope they really believe this…was the NY poll on a McCain-Rice ticket funded by The Onion?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually hope they really believe this…was the NY poll on a McCain-Rice ticket funded by The Onion?</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;and If I missed anyone’s questions comments I apologize… this “responding to comments” stuff, as our esteemed President would say “is hard work!” ;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, guess I have to forgive you (see my 113), and assume you just didn’t notice.   No hard feelings, huh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>and If I missed anyone’s questions comments I apologize… this “responding to comments” stuff, as our esteemed President would say “is hard work!” ;)</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, guess I have to forgive you (see my 113), and assume you just didn’t notice.   No hard feelings, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And voted for the Iraq War as a matter of political expediency and later stated that if one does not like the HRC senate vote, go find another candidate. But if you want to get real silly then you can lower the bar to your burnt toast&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And voted for the Iraq War as a matter of political expediency and later stated that if one does not like the HRC senate vote, go find another candidate. But if you want to get real silly then you can lower the bar to your burnt toast</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Paul, I appreciate your understanding of that internalized misogyny and sexism.  I generally agree with what you say here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But..and I hesitate to dip my toe in here…I just had a flash of that feeling I get at a meeting when I (or another woman) suggest something, am ignored, and a guy later suggests the same thing and gets fulsome praise for his original idea.  Ummm, gawd, I kinda hate to bring it up, but…you thanked the two guys who pointed out the Krugman/Kristof error several posts &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; I pointed it out, early in the thread.  Didja notice?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I appreciate your understanding of that internalized misogyny and sexism.  I generally agree with what you say here.</p>
<p>But..and I hesitate to dip my toe in here…I just had a flash of that feeling I get at a meeting when I (or another woman) suggest something, am ignored, and a guy later suggests the same thing and gets fulsome praise for his original idea.  Ummm, gawd, I kinda hate to bring it up, but…you thanked the two guys who pointed out the Krugman/Kristof error several posts <em>after</em> I pointed it out, early in the thread.  Didja notice?</p>
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