I love footnotes.
Well-written footnotes do so many different things. Most provide the reader with directions to the evidence supporting a claim in the main text. Some give snark-filled asides – little tangents from the main topic, or perhaps humorous anecdotes. Some try to bat down the arguments put forth by other authors. Some suggest places to go for further reading on the topic at hand.
Face it: footnotes are fun. They might have felt like a drag when your English teacher was reminding you not to leave them out and browbeating you to put them in the right form – but in your heart, you know she was right. Footnotes are fun, and I miss them when they aren’t there.
And then I discovered links. Links are turbocharged footnotes. They don’t just tell you where to find the reference – they take you to it. Talk about service. Yum.
But twice a week, FDL goes one step further. . .
At the FDL Book Salons, we sit down with the authors themselves. Instead of one-way pointers to other writings, we get two way conversations. We get living breathing footnotes, with all the asides, all the snark, and all the background information that didn’t make it into the book.
FDL Book Salons have taken on subjects like the Iraq War, pushing to understand it from all kinds of perspectives, including Pentagon insider AJ Rossmiller, Valerie Plame from the CIA, and former Senator Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) from Capitol Hill. We chatted with outsiders like Bob Drogin who followed the story of Curveball, and Linda Bilmes, who is watching the $3 trillion cost of the war. We visited with Mike Hoyt, editor of Reporting Iraq, un-embedded reporter Dahr Jamail, and looked at the failures of the media with Greg Mitchell.
And it’s not just Iraq. We’ve looked at the economy (Paul Krugman), religion and politics (Dan Gilgoff, Sarah Posner, John Gorenfeld), Republicans and neocons (John Anderson, John Dean, Paul Waldman, Jacob Heilbrunn, Naomi Klein), Democrats and progressives (Laura Flanders, Glenn Hurowitz, Eric Alterman), the Constitution (Lou Dubose and Molly Ivins), and the Worst People In The World (Keith Olbermann). We’ve checked out who hates whom (Bob Harris), how to change the world (Alex Steffen), life as a pro-choice doctor (Dr. Susan Wicklund), and we’ve peeked inside the minds of political operatives (Mark Penn, Allen Raymond.) [OK, some Book Salons have been better than others. But I digress.] We’ve had in major public figures, like 2006 Nobel Peace Prize winner Muhammad Yunus, as well as other, less widely-known authors who nevertheless have something powerful to say.
While the guests are great, it’s the questions and comments that make the Book Salons work. Consider this exchange from last Saturday:
CTuttle: Senator, do you think there’s some traction in Congress to look into Yoo’s atrocious logic in discarding the Geneva Conventions and the 4th and 8th amendments…?
LChafee: Once again, Where’s the Democratic Party? They’re in the majority. What was the point of voting me out of office if the new Democratic majority isn’t willing to put on the brass knuckles and fight for our Constitution? John Ashcroft, of all people, on his sickbed, refused to sign off on the torture memo. Let’s give credit where credit’s due. Let’s hope Congressman Waxman goes after Yoo, he’s got the chairmanship of the committee.
Sometimes just pointing out the favorite part of the book is enlightening, like this from the chat with Bob Harris:
I particularly liked:
Tossing complex, violent agendas into giant bin called terrorism is both lazy and dangerous. Instead, let’s force ourselves to use specifics: “national rebels” or “drug-financed paramilitary death squads” or “sex-crazed vegetarian pacifists.” Speaking of which, not enough sex-crazed vegetarian pacifists are invading people. I checked.
No we’re just dhimmi who want to give away the farm and unconditionally surrender in the War Against Terrah. Not “real men” like Victor Davis Hanson, who wants to climb on the roof and “thin out the neighborhood” with a rifle and scope.
Not exactly what you see in either the book reviews or political stories reported elsewhere.
FDL Book Salon editor Bev Wright has a stunning list of authors coming up over the next couple of weeks:
- Philip Shenon — The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Commission
- Keli Goff — Party Crashing: How the Hip Hop Generation Declared its Personal Independence
- Glenn Greenwald — Great American Hypocrites: Toppling the Big Myths of American Politics
- Bernie Horn — Framing the Future: How Progressive Values Can Win Elections and Influence People
- Eric Lichtblau — Bush’s Law: The Remaking of American Justice
- Matthew Yglesias — Heads in the Sand: How the Republicans Screw Up Foreign Policy and Foreign Policy Screws up Democrats
(Click through for times, details, and links to order the books.)
Just thinking about the news of the last couple of weeks makes me anxious to hear these conversations. "Philip, what do you make of Mukasey’s new story about FISA problems that kept us from stopping 9/11 — a story that never got to the ears of the 9/11 commission?" "Keli, who among both political parties’ leadership is most aware of the generational independence you describe?" . . .
Anything look interesting to you in that list? Who are you anxious to read and chat with? What have been your favorite Book Salons, and who had the best snark? Who would you like to see in upcoming chats (either authors or hosts)? What topics would you like to dig into, that you haven’t seen here before?
Some FDL readers check in only from work, Monday through Friday. That’s great, but there are some special threads that come up on the weekends, like these Book Salons (2PM Eastern/5PM Pacific) that you really, really don’t want to miss.
Related posts:
- Ted Kennedy: Health Care “Has Been the Passion of My Life”
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Adam Gopnik – Angels and Ages: A Short Book About Darwin, Lincoln, and Modern Life
- Late Night: Craven and Bigoted is No Way to Go Through Life, Son.
- The Short Unhappy Life of a Keynesian Moment
- Dear Senator: Please Pass Public Option and Save My Life





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So, Peterr!
yo
I don’t quite get it when someone seems to accompany the author and dominates the questions? What’s with that?
Hi everyone.
We’re in between major thunderstorms in KC at the moment — 50 mph winds, lightning, possible hail, etc. If I disappear from the comments, either I’m in the basement or my power/internet service went out.
It’s kind of tricky being the host sometimes. Speaking for myself, if the questions are flying fast and furious, that makes it hard on the guest, and so sometimes I’ll pick up a question that the author addressed in the book and pass that along.
There are other times when the host is also a guest of sorts, and thus enters into the discussion as a kind of respondent to the book.
Different looks for different books.
…or you forgot to take coffee and donuts out to the nice NSA man parked in that plumbing van across the street *g
Stay safe!
Hey my almost namesake! Can’t stay around now, but just wanted to express my appreciation, for you and for FDL, which gets better every day. Keep up the good work!
Yea, I’m not complaining.
Dang, Peterr, just use my name in vain…! ;-)
Glen Greenward was on antiwar.com
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/…..eenwald-8/
Ooh, that hugs! Batten down the hatches and stay safe!
We can call it actual hail right now — maybe nickel-sized?
I hope you have your car(s) under cover…
Greenwald and Lichtblau I’m really looking forward to…!
I wish I had been around for that chat with Chaffee. I love his response to your question.
Maybe when Harry Reid comes in a few weeks for his book salon visit, we can ask him to respond to his former colleague’s “what was the point . . .” remark.
Oh, yes, Peterr, you’re so right! I, too, loooove links–and I obsessively check and read footnotes and endnotes in printed works. Links have the unfortunate effect of keeping at the keyboard waaay too long while dust accumulates and laundry piles up.
Love your author pic, too. *g*
wrt:
Mukasey was asked about that by Senator Leahy this morning while testifying before the Senate Appropriations committee. The subcommittee has posted a realplayer webstream of the hearing (I don’t think it was covered by c-span), and I’ve ripped an mp3 audio for folks who prefer that format. There were several somewhat interesting exchanges, and I’ll try to make transcripts (and possibly youtube clips) of some of it later if no one else does it first. The bit on the 4th amendment has already been posted at TMP. gotta run soon, but wanted to make audio file available asap.
Right on Reverend!
Nice post dude.
There are some good times to be had at the Book Salons and we get the most awesome authors too.
Good stuff Maynord.
Endnotes . . . I do not care for endnotes.
Once upon a time, before there were word processors, I can understand the use of endnotes. But I *hate* having to keep a finger in one page so that I can flip to the back of the book to read the notes. I do it, mind you, but I don’t like it.
No, I do not care for endnotes at all.
Are you referring to earlier this week where the author of “Framing The Panthers” was on?
I found that rather odd, myself. It seems that the two interlocuters could have more easily handled this in an academic set of emails. I didn’t quite understand the point of all that? It seemed to monopolize the conversation away from a public that might not have the specialized knowledge available, and who may have benefitted most from the questioning.
Indeed.
I also must say, after writing a dissertation, if I never see another footnote as long as I live it will be peachy!
CT, Raven, and other vets out there . . . what’s been your take on the various military-related books we’ve tackled?
Yes, seemed odd. Somehow intrusive..
LOL! I hear you! But I did say I read them obsessively. I’ve been known to use two bookmarks when the endnotes are full of good stuff.
Which books? Don’t recall them… enlighten moi.
Well, I have mentioned Phil Beidler several times and never get any response. This guy is great.
We’ll talk with Philip Beidler, the University of Alabama English Professor who’s new book is ”American Wars American Peace, Notes from a Son of the Empire”. Beidler is a Vietnam combat veteran, and his book explores the connections between that war and the ongoing war in Iraq. On the panel: All Benn, columnist for the Montgomery Advertiser, and Dana Beyerle, The NY Times Regional Newspapers.
SInce I’m @ home waiting for a p/up to LAX for another work trip to Seattle, just would like to comment that I really enjoyed Juan Cole’s Book Salon on Napoleon’s Egypt/Invading the ME .
And might I say that backreading FDL posts & comments from today has been extraordinary.
Peterr, here’s a vid you might enjoy this p.m. re: KC Jazz, filtered through the Robert Altman film:
Clip from the opening of Altman’s Kansas City
AJ Rossmiller’s Still Broken is one that comes to mind, as does Dahr Jamail’s Beyond the Green Zone.
Neither AJ nor Dahr are military, but they write about war and the military from very close range.
Phil Beidler linky
How does one suggest a book for the salon?
another good interview – but i was po’ed at scott horton (not the same scott horton who used to write at harpers) for describing cowardice as “feminine” and weak men who enjoy sending other people off to war as “girly men” (and glenn for not calling him on it).
especially as i just recently said something nice about him in a recent thread.
I think they are interesting but I would like to see something like “No True Glory” or “One Bullet Away”.
I personally enjoyed the ones that I caught! Rossmiller did a great job, but, the one that I liked particularly, was the “Life in the Emerald City” author, whom I can’t remember right off…
Turning to the substance of your post, Peterr– Right now I look forward to the one w/ Eric Lichtblau, mainly because I’m reading “Bush’s Law” right now. Lots of stuff that I knew b/c of FDL, EW, etc., but details that fill in gaps, viewpoint of a reporter for a major paper getting the pressure from the Bushies, etc. Very interesting.
When he comes, I hope he realizes he’ll be talking with people who know a lot about the story he tells already.
As you said, the Book Salons are days I hate to miss, but I am unfortunately at work on Saturday, so I miss most of them; sometimes read them later, sometimes, if things are slow, I can jump in live. But the Book Salon is one of the many great things about this site.
If you don’t read An Army of Dude you are missing something. This kid can write.
even the really bad book salons (i’m thinking of mark penn and wes clark) are interesting for what they reveal about the author.
Footnotes have taken me on great adventures. I love footnotes. Follow footnotes and you go deeper into the subject and discover new ones. What an adventure!
I check out most links and appreciate the source or in some cases expansion of the main theme. However, I must admit I really don’t go as deeply into subjects as with footnotes. I think it is just the difference between the written word and the Internet. I just wouldn’t want to go into an anthropological in-depth study of a tribal group as my main study on the net. I can get the gist of the study from the Internet but in the end, I turn to books.
My favorite thing about links and footnotes is that it gives credit to another. I often wondered who influenced Tolstoy. Henry Miller wrote a wonder book entitled The Books of My Life and gives credit to all the writers who influenced him from boyhood. He lead me to many new books I probably would never have considered.
Footnotes and links are deserving of attention. Simply, they give credit to another person. There is something noble in recognizing others.
You type it into the little “Leave your response” box at the bottom of the page, right now.
*g*
If you want to do this later, you can send an email to firedoglake (at) gmail (dot) com. Put “Book Salon suggestion” in the subject, so that it stands out from other emails.
For a bit of humour, “Bathtub Admirals” a book about the cold war US Navy written by Jeff Huber a retired carrier squadron CO. He posted excerpts on his blog “Pen and Sword” and his sketches of the way business is done in the Navy were total bullseyes.
Jeff is a very good writer… and very knowledgeable about current military affairs, and has been published in a fair number of scholarly military publications.
Rajiv Chandrasekaran wrote Life in the Emerald City.
edit: Make that Imperial Life in the Emerald City.
i’ve done that and never received a reply.
Can we do My Pet Goat sometime?
I’d like to see just what was so fascinating for W that he stood rooted like a tree during a national tragedy.
Must be some powerful readin’.
I was trippin on his bullshit about “faith based” recovery that did what a government program couldn’t when he got sober. If he had a hair on his ass he would have just quit. I did and I didn’t need no stinkin higher power and I know I partied harder and longer than his punk ass did!
Heh, I left out the ‘Imperial’ part…! I did enjoy the dissection of Bremer’s inept rule and the use of incompetent political hacks at all key positions in the CPA… Passing over many knowledgeable State employees because they hadn’t drank the koolaid!
Must be out of print. Not available at Amazon. Too bad. “G”
I’ll definitely pass along everything suggested here, and perhaps I can speak with the tech folks to see if we can come up with another way to take requests for the Book Salon, so that those emails don’t all end up in the same mailbox as tips for stories, tech concerns, etc.
Book Salon suggestion:
I would like to recommend Bart Jones’ Hugo. Journalist Bart Jones lived in the barrios in Venezuela. Living among the people gives him a unique perspective.
Could not put that book down. Life in the Emerald City and Fiasco were both blood-boiling page turners.
Oh yea, footnote
Grateful Dead
Playing in the Band
Some folks trust to reason
Others trust to might
I don’t trust to nothing
But I know it come out right
Say it once again now
Oh I hope you understand
When it’s done and over
Lord, a man is just a man
Playing
Playing in the band
Daybreak
Daybreak on the land
Some folks look for answers
Others look for fights
Some folks up in treetops
Just look to see the sights
I can tell your future
Look what’s in your hand
But I can’t stop for nothing
I’m just playing in the band
Playing
Playing in the band
Daybreak
Daybreak on the land
Standing on a tower
World at my command
You just keep a turning
While I’m playing in the band
If a man among you
Got no sin upon his hand
Let him cast a stone at me
For playing in the band
Playing
Playing in the band
Daybreak
Daybreak on the land
Playing
Playing in the band
Daybreak Daybreak on the land
Everybody snapped them up to leave at Shrub’s upcoming Lie-bary…! ;-)
Jaw Breaker too…!
Playin’ In The Band
Speaking of the military… never one to press for a photo-op and sickening opportunism, the 1600 Crew scheduled the posthumous Medal of Honor ceremony for Petty Office Michael Monsoor on the same day as the Crocker and Petraeus show. Shitty timing? I think not… Via Froomkin and Phil Carter (Intel Dump).
There is no low too low for these Chickenhawk Clowns.
Raven – I followed your link to Army of Dude and read the current post about the deaths of the Velez brothers. Then scrolled down the photos and names of those “KIA.” I recognized one as being from San Antonio – I assure you that every local and regional soldier killed is given attention in our newspaper, poor as it otherwise may be. Anyway, I’m blinking back tears and will have to come back in awhile. My snark supply is dried up for the moment.
Thanks for the reality check.
Entranced for seven minutes. Even the dramatics of 9/11 couldn’t move him. Where were You, George, on 9/11? “Engrossed in My Pet Goat.”
Right before he did a “Brave Sir Robin, he ran away… away away”
Yea, Brian Chevalier is from here in Athens. I’m with ya.This shit will be with these families and the troopers for the rest of their lives.
Rajiv Chandrasekaran wrote Imperial Life in the Emerald City. The book is right in front of me; I loved that book. My next to read will be The Assault on Reason by Al Gore. The I have to decide between Hubris (Isikoff and Corn), Fiasco (Thomas Ricks), The Shock Doctrine (Naomi Klein), The Conscience of a Liberal (Krugman), or Broken Government (John Dean).
I just read the synopsis over at Barnes and Noble:
“The Chávez that emerges from Jones’ account is neither a plaster saint nor a revolutionary tyrant. He is a master politician — democratically elected to the presidency three times — an inspired improviser, a Bolivarian nationalist and an unashamed socialist. His policies have brought him into conflict with the IMF and the World Bank, the major oil companies and the Bush White House. . . .”
Looks interesting.
any footnote lovers read Mary Roach? Author or “Stiff” and “Spook”, now has a new “Bonk” out. Brilliant and funny.. with lotsa footnotes for your edification.
Thanks for the correction.
And you hit on one of the problems with the Book Salon: that stack of books next to my bed just keeps getting taller!
Kristol and Shrub, truly sicken me! WTF is this…
can i post this !@#$%^&*argh
Discredited and Unpopular, Bush Still Gets His Way on Judicial Nominations
In response to today’s Senate vote to confirm Catharina Haynes to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, People For the American Way president Kathryn Kolbert released the following statement:
“George W. Bush is in the twilight of his presidency and his approval ratings are scraping bottom, yet the Senate confirmed another controversial Bush nominee to a lifetime seat on the federal bench. Bush wants to remake the judiciary as part of his legacy, and the Senate must not continue to aid and abet his efforts.”
“Despite President Bush’s brazen rejection of compromise and consultation over judicial nominations, his nominees have fared far better under the Senate Democrats than President Clinton’s did under Republican control. When President Bush refused to meet them halfway, they went far above and beyond what was required of them. It is incredibly galling that Senate Republicans are throwing another tantrum over nominees — the manufactured hysterics are being ramped up but aren’t fooling anyone.
Link please?
Ain’t that the truth! I’m taking suggestions, BTW. Any reviews from anyone? Please?
Fabulous work by Bev and the FDL team. Many thanks.
My first suggestion would be to alternate a little light reading (or inspirational reading) in between any two of those books. Moving from Shock Doctrine to Hubris to Broken Government . . . that could get rather depressing.
I keep a Calvin and Hobbes anthology or two close at hand, for just such situations.
What? Why didn’t we hear about this before?
Sigh.
To the emails and fax machines, gang!
Well, does anyone know who might come next?
Well, I’ve also got Al Franken’s The Truth with Jokes and FUBAR (Seder and Sherrill). Or Jon Stewart’s America.
selise,
You are a treasure with your continual stream of information on committee hearings. Thank you so much for all you do for us.
My ride to LAX just arrived, & I’m out of here. If anyone wants to re-post this heads up for LHP (though she may already be well aware of it) or any other law types in the NYC area who might want to attend, here’s a link. Keynote Speaker will be Sheldon Whitehouse, & among many notable professional & academics, a featured guest on Panel 2 “Politics & Prosecutorial Independence” is John McKay, former USA in the Western Dist. of WA:
Bi-Annual Criminal Justice Retreat – A Summit on The Prosecution Function
Saturday, April 12, 2008 9 am – 2 pm
I concur. I’d rather half the page be footnotes than have to do the bookmark in the back trick. It’s very annoying. And I read a LOT of books with notes, end and foot. Hand and foot. Hoof and mouth. Something like that.
They’ve been pushing Ms. Haynes for quite a while. Baker-Botts partner, ex judge of the 191st in Dallas, walks on water, she’s wonderful! Not. We’ll learn to love her, dog knows we have a lifetime…
I pretty much stay away from contemporary military books. If they’re written about current conflicts and strategies, which are so fluid, ofttimes the information is dated by the time the book hits the stores. I’d rather study the history and get the overall picture. Plus I’m not a follower of military affairs as a separate subject.