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	<title>Comments on: Is McCain&#8217;s 100 Years in Iraq Like Israel in Palestine?</title>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380545</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What is this vicious trollery?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380511</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The root faults of both McCain’s analysis and that of other hard liners both here at home and in Israel, is that first they continually label ‘others’ who would die for their cause as ‘terrorists’, while we, or the Israelis’  “bravely lay our lives on the line for our cause”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, these hard liners continue to believe that by showing off a few bunker busters,like when the US and Israel recently bombed an empty Syrian factory to scare the Iranians, that the Iraqi’s, the Lebonese, and the Iranians are all going to cave in and give up what little they have, on lands they’ve owned since time began  -and lands the very authors of the bible were sitting on when it was first written. Jesus was a Palestininan. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s time Israel moved - after 60 years they have zero friends left in the region due to their own conduct. And endanger too many lives with their presence in that location. Surely the US has a few islands they can give them where they can be just as Independent and free as they wish and no neighbors to worry about?  Surely the Aussies and the Brits - oh and don’t forget Poland -can help them financially??&lt;br /&gt;
It’s time for a change- there too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The root faults of both McCain’s analysis and that of other hard liners both here at home and in Israel, is that first they continually label ‘others’ who would die for their cause as ‘terrorists’, while we, or the Israelis’  “bravely lay our lives on the line for our cause”.</p>
<p>And, these hard liners continue to believe that by showing off a few bunker busters,like when the US and Israel recently bombed an empty Syrian factory to scare the Iranians, that the Iraqi’s, the Lebonese, and the Iranians are all going to cave in and give up what little they have, on lands they’ve owned since time began  -and lands the very authors of the bible were sitting on when it was first written. Jesus was a Palestininan. </p>
<p>It’s time Israel moved &#8211; after 60 years they have zero friends left in the region due to their own conduct. And endanger too many lives with their presence in that location. Surely the US has a few islands they can give them where they can be just as Independent and free as they wish and no neighbors to worry about?  Surely the Aussies and the Brits &#8211; oh and don’t forget Poland -can help them financially??<br />
It’s time for a change- there too.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380454</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More from Juan Cole:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.juancole.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Maybe the Iraqis need to be left on their own militarily, and maybe what they need is a big conference at Taef.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the US in Iraq is not the little boy with his finger in the dyke. Maybe we are workers with jackhammers instructed to make the hole in the dyke much more huge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just something to think about.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go and read the post.  The best part of his thread:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadr Calls off Demonstration;&lt;br /&gt;
Threatens to End Cease-Fire;&lt;br /&gt;
McCain confuses al-Qaeda with Shiites (Again)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…What does that even mean? &lt;strong&gt;Do we really need another tongue-tied president who says incoherent things about the most important challenges facing the US&lt;/strong&gt;? McCain keeps thinking that al-Qaeda is a Shiite, Iranian plot, when in fact its leadership is hyper-Sunni Egyptians and Saudis. As for al-Qaeda not being an obscure sect, well I’m not sure about the obscure part. But it is certainly a tiny fringe in the Muslim world, analogous to the far right gun nuts and white supremacists that formed the context for Timothy McVeigh. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(my bold)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from Juan Cole:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.juancole.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juancole.com/</a></p>
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Maybe the Iraqis need to be left on their own militarily, and maybe what they need is a big conference at Taef.</p>
<p>Maybe the US in Iraq is not the little boy with his finger in the dyke. Maybe we are workers with jackhammers instructed to make the hole in the dyke much more huge.</p>
<p>Just something to think about.</p>
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<p>Go and read the post.  The best part of his thread:</p>
<p>Sadr Calls off Demonstration;<br />
Threatens to End Cease-Fire;<br />
McCain confuses al-Qaeda with Shiites (Again)</p>
<blockquote><p>…What does that even mean? <strong>Do we really need another tongue-tied president who says incoherent things about the most important challenges facing the US</strong>? McCain keeps thinking that al-Qaeda is a Shiite, Iranian plot, when in fact its leadership is hyper-Sunni Egyptians and Saudis. As for al-Qaeda not being an obscure sect, well I’m not sure about the obscure part. But it is certainly a tiny fringe in the Muslim world, analogous to the far right gun nuts and white supremacists that formed the context for Timothy McVeigh. </p>
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<p>(my bold)</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380372</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for that link…PERFECT!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!</p>
<p>Thanks for that link…PERFECT!</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380364</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More like MacArthur.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: merkwurdiglieber</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380347</link>
		<dc:creator>merkwurdiglieber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al Haig, all over again… on the fast track to corporate boards if not&lt;br /&gt;
  politics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Haig, all over again… on the fast track to corporate boards if not<br />
  politics.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380315</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;klynn at emptywheel links to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/08/iraq.usa&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guardian article&lt;/a&gt; on “open-ended” U.S. presence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is why Knut’s notion that the public will just naturally get poor enough and fed up is wrong.  The establishment have made a decision and they, with the exception of certain straight shooters, or loose cannons, like McCain, are not admitting it openly.  The media, naturally, have assented to disappear the subject so that Iraq, in terms of public awareness, might as well be Japan or Germany.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These hearings, and this election, are important:  we cannot allow them to manufacture the “consensus” to stay permanently. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Something explosively accusatory leveled at this pissant Petraeus, such as, for example, portraying him as a politically ambitious yes-men as compared to Fallon, might be nice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>klynn at emptywheel links to <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/08/iraq.usa" rel="nofollow">Guardian article</a> on “open-ended” U.S. presence.</p>
<p>This is why Knut’s notion that the public will just naturally get poor enough and fed up is wrong.  The establishment have made a decision and they, with the exception of certain straight shooters, or loose cannons, like McCain, are not admitting it openly.  The media, naturally, have assented to disappear the subject so that Iraq, in terms of public awareness, might as well be Japan or Germany.</p>
<p>These hearings, and this election, are important:  we cannot allow them to manufacture the “consensus” to stay permanently. </p>
<p>Something explosively accusatory leveled at this pissant Petraeus, such as, for example, portraying him as a politically ambitious yes-men as compared to Fallon, might be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Someone should ask Petraeus if it was a mistake to invade Iraq? What were his views at the time? If it was a mistake then, it is a mistake now. What are we losing in addition to lives and trillions-face? The face we show to foreigners, especially brown ones, isn’t all that pretty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still the question remains-is there anything we can do except complain?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should ask Petraeus if it was a mistake to invade Iraq? What were his views at the time? If it was a mistake then, it is a mistake now. What are we losing in addition to lives and trillions-face? The face we show to foreigners, especially brown ones, isn’t all that pretty.</p>
<p>Still the question remains-is there anything we can do except complain?</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380311</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Per &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/08/AR2008040801281.html?hpid=topnews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Petraeus called security in Iraq “significantly better” than before last year’s troop buildup but still “fragile and reversible.” He plans a 45-day “period of consolidation and evaluation” after the reinforcements leave in July, followed by an indefinite period of assessment before any further drawdown.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can withdrawing jeopardize a surge whose only accomplishment is a reduction in U.S. combat casualties?  WTF?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/08/AR2008040801281.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews</a>
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<p>Petraeus called security in Iraq “significantly better” than before last year’s troop buildup but still “fragile and reversible.” He plans a 45-day “period of consolidation and evaluation” after the reinforcements leave in July, followed by an indefinite period of assessment before any further drawdown.</p>
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<p>How can withdrawing jeopardize a surge whose only accomplishment is a reduction in U.S. combat casualties?  WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: merkwurdiglieber</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/09/is-mccains-100-years-in-iraq-like-israel-in-palestine/#comment-1380282</link>
		<dc:creator>merkwurdiglieber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are not any iraquis to want an iraq, it is an anglo-british idea&lt;br /&gt;
  forced upon them by oil interests from the beginning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are not any iraquis to want an iraq, it is an anglo-british idea<br />
  forced upon them by oil interests from the beginning.</p>
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