Second in a series
The other day, Emptywheel invited her readers to play a little game with the Yoo torture memo. She invited them to try to find a mention of a Supreme Court case called Youngstown Steel. You won't find it mentioned in Yoo's memo.
So, you may be asking, I'm sure there are lots and lots of Supreme Court cases not included in the memo, what's the big deal? The big deal is that Youngstown Steel is the case which defines the limits of presidential power in a time of war. Yes, there are other cases which deal with this issue, but Youngstown v. Sawyer, 343, U.S. 579 (1952), is the case where the Supreme Court set forth a series of balancing tests for determining how much power a president can assert during wartime, relative to pre-existing treaties, statutes and the Constitution.
To avert a nation-wide strike of steel workers in April 1952, which he believed would jeopardize national defense, the President issued an Executive Order directing the Secretary of Commerce to seize and operate most of the steel mills. The Order was not based upon any specific statutory authority but was based generally upon all powers vested in the president by the Constitution and laws of the United States and as President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.
The Supreme Court then analyzed whether the president may do whatever he believes to be necessary to protect the nation in a time of war based on his Commander in Chief powers. John Yoo says that based on the power as Commander in Chief, the President can do ANYTHING, even ignore Treaties and Acts of Congress, if he believes it necessary in order to protect the country. Even crush the testicles of the child of a detainee being interrogated.
Youngstown is still good law, it hasn't been overturned, yet Yoo somehow managed to ignore it. Gee, I wonder why?
Maybe because of a quote like this?
The President's power, if any, to issue the order must stem either from an act of Congress or from the Constitution itself.
Or this?
In the framework of our Constitution, the President's power to see that the laws are faithfully executed refutes the idea that he is to be a lawmaker. The Constitution limits his functions in the lawmaking process to the recommending of laws he thinks wise and the vetoing of laws he thinks bad. And the Constitution is neither silent nor equivocal about who shall make laws which the President is to execute. The [343 U.S. 579, 588] first section of the first article says that "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States . . . ." After granting many powers to the Congress, Article I goes on to provide that Congress may "make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
Or this?
The President's order does not direct that a congressional policy be executed in a manner prescribed by Congress - it directs that a presidential policy be executed in a manner prescribed by the President
Or this?
The Founders of this Nation entrusted the lawmaking power to the Congress alone in both good and bad times. It would do no good to recall the historical events, the fears of power and the hopes for freedom that lay behind their choice. Such a review would but confirm our holding that this seizure order cannot stand.
By now, even without a law degree, you have figured out that SCOTUS overturned the President's action.
Some of the most prescient and eloquent prose in this case comes from the concurring opinion written by Justice Frankfurter. These words could have just as easily been written today.
To that end they rested the structure of our central government on the system of checks and balances. For them the doctrine of separation of powers was not mere theory; it was a felt necessity. Not so long ago it was fashionable to find our system of checks and balances obstructive to effective government. It was easy to ridicule that system as outmoded - too easy. The experience through which the world has passed in our own day has made vivid the realization that the Framers of our Constitution were not inexperienced doctrinaires. These long-headed statesmen had no illusion that our people enjoyed biological or psychological or sociological immunities from the hazards of concentrated power. It is absurd to see a dictator in a representative product of the sturdy democratic traditions of the Mississippi Valley. [343 U.S. 579, 594] The accretion of dangerous power does not come in a day. It does come, however slowly, from the generative force of unchecked disregard of the restrictions that fence in even the most disinterested assertion of authority.
However it is in Justice Jackson's concurrence that we find the famous balancing test. Yes, the same Justice Jackson who was the prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials and who gave the famous speech about not politicizing the prosecution function. Here's the test, it's pretty straightforward and see if you think it essentially guts Yoo's whole argument.
1. When the President acts pursuant to an express or implied authorization of Congress, his authority is at its maximum, for it includes all that he possesses in his own right plus all that Congress can delegate. [2] In these circumstances, [343 U.S. 579, 636] and in these only, may he be said (for what it may be worth) to personify the federal sovereignty. If his act is held unconstitutional under these circumstances, it usually means that the Federal Government [343 U.S. 579, 637] as an undivided whole lacks power. A seizure executed by the President pursuant to an Act of Congress would be supported by the strongest of presumptions and the widest latitude of judicial interpretation, and the burden of persuasion would rest heavily upon any who might attack it.
2. When the President acts in absence of either a congressional grant or denial of authority, he can only rely upon his own independent powers, but there is a zone of twilight in which he and Congress may have concurrent authority, or in which its distribution is uncertain. Therefore, congressional inertia, indifference or quiescence may sometimes, at least as a practical matter, enable, if not invite, measures on independent presidential responsibility. In this area, any actual test of power is likely to depend on the imperatives of events and contemporary imponderables rather than on abstract theories of law. [3]
3. When the President takes measures incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress, his power is at its lowest ebb, for then he can rely only upon his own constitutional powers minus any constitutional powers of Congress over the matter. Courts can sustain exclusive presidential control in such a case only by disabling [343 U.S. 579, 638] the Congress from acting upon the subject. [4] Presidential claim to a power at once so conclusive and preclusive must be scrutinized with caution, for what is at stake is the equilibrium established by our constitutional system.
Did you see anything there that said the President could just ignore treaties or statutes passed by Congress? Like the War Crimes Act for instance?
Nah, me neither. Probably why Yoo decided not to mention it. It might get in the way of crushing children's testicles.
He makes me so ashamed to be a lawyer.
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CNN says the SF Chronicle is going to be ferried by boat…. Ha ha ha ha
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The “cherry-pick” administration.
Justin Hermann plaza: “Rock and Roll Stops Traffic.”
The runners will run around on the boat and pass the torch to one another
Cuz he is stopid!?
YAY!!
LHP!
Sweet way to frame Stupies wheel chocks.
Heck, IANAL and even I know about Youngstown Steel. But then, it does have something to do with economics.
Reading this and emptywheel’s Youngstown challenge the other day leads me to think it may be worth it to impeach Bush/Cheney, even if that impeachment occurs on January 19, 2009. And this post leads me to ask, “Can there be such a thing as a restraining order that keeps a president from being able to issue pardons?”
IIRC impeachment hearing would prevent bush for issuing pardons….We can hope that congress gets some balls and start the process!
I’ve stopped holding my breath
Yo!
LHP, I took your last post to heart about the vile Yoo and the result?
A plan of action in the form of:
Enough is enough!
Let me know what you think. And the rest of you?
Vote in the poll.
I’m already moving forward with this and look forward to some interesting conversations. As Steve the G. usta say our primary goal should be…must be….to:
‘Fight Back!’
I remember someone alluded to this passage in the memo (I think it is around page 12 or 13) which indirectly evokes Youngstown but stands it on its head.
Sadly, I don’t think so. The pardon power has historically been treated as absolute.
However, I argued at the time of the Libby pardon that a “bad faith” use of the pardon power could be veiwed as void or voidable, but that would be making some new law, which is OK by me.
Splendid!
Terrific analysis.
I agree with every damn word you wrote, except for the last sentence.
Attorneys like you make me proud of the legal profession.
Per Busted above YAY LHP!
Good you were turning blue
Which is why he had to reach back to 1862 to find a case, and as per his usual practice in this memo, he is taking things out of context and mixing apples and oranges.
Sigh
Thanks, LHP!
The Rove-Cheney-Bush cabal, however, understood something that the framers of our Constitution did not anticipate: The Executive can act much more quickly than the Legislature or the Judiciary. And that’s what they have done. Besides, they also know that it is up to the Executive to carry out the will of Congress and the Courts, and they can stonewall. By the time the Leg and the Courts decide to act, it may be too late: The Revolution may be over. And that is why impeachment is so important.
I hope it is NOT too late to undo this mess. I have hope in one accelerator. For example, there are something like 40 lawsuits pending on the question of Telcom involvement in illegal wiretapping. The Administration, of course, will attempt to gum each one to death. But one adverse judgement can cause a domino effect on dozens of similar cases.
I still hope.
Bob in HI
But it’s misuse to stymie an impeachment proceeding could in and of itself be considered a high crime and misdemeanor. The question would then become if the fruit of such a crime or misdemeanor was valid.
Lets Digg this LH … great post Loosehead!!!
It is instructive to consider that these opinions were being sought and framed at a point in time when a Congressional challenge to power was all but impossible. The purpose of this direction was not to address immediate war powers, but to break the balance of powers permanently.
It is because of the telecom cases that we even get to see this memo at all.
There is NOTHING in this memo that would apear to merit it being held as classified. Mary spent the better part of 2006 and 2007 writing post after post, comment after well researched comment, about the abuse of the classification authority.
They have turned it on its head and used it not only to hide smoking gun documents, but also to muzzle law abiding former members of the government who do not want to violate the law to save it.
It’s really pretty sickening
ah, l’affaire bono. was working backstage that day.
Yep. Well done, LHP; this is very helpful in understanding Yoo’s deliberate, unethical malpractice of law.
My fear is that the Bush/Alito/Roberts SCOTUS takes one of these cases and decides to ignore all precedent and declare whatever Bush has done legit.
Yoo’s addington is showing.
The torch is at Van Ness ave + Bush no where near the Embarcadero with two Runners… Walking down the street
Cool, A Citizen. Truly.
You might want to correct the “Unite States” in the first sentence.(/editorial pedant).
FunnyDiva
Thanks for the editorial help1
You did vote in the poll?
Probably too much to hope that someone will bring this up during Yoo’s House visit. If he decides to play, that is.
I’m no where even close to being smart enough to be a lawyer, but even I know if I happened to be in the room with him when he pulled that one out of his ass, I would’ve asked him if he had ever heard of Little v Barreme and why that has less relevance in his mind.
Yes, I am the king of run on sentences
;-)
looseheadprop, we are all ears but we are all on the same exact page
the ears that are deaf to any of this are those that keep this despot in office
and let’s be absolutely clear here
yoo would have written such an opinion if he had any doubt what so ever the new supreme court would uphold his memo
this I know in my heart of heart, there is no precendence they will honor that derails their actions in the past nor their intentions for the future
the CURRENT supreme court is the only court that matters
I FEAR we have tossed the word around so often it has lost it’s effectiveness but roberts and alito MUST be impeached if yoo’s ruling is to fail before the supreme court
otherwise his memo passes through untouched
going to vote in poll now.
FunnyD
and I must continue;
for yoo’s memo to be discredited as merely a rag, a piece of meaningless paper, yoo must be disbarred
if he is not, his memo and his writing will be examined as if there is credibility to what he wrote
yoo must be disbarred, roberts and alito must be impeached
and if none of those happen then our law has indeed been rewritten according to our worst fear
Just got home - what poll, please?
I would love to see these things happen. But what would be the grounds for impeachment? And who begins the hearings?
The train is leaving the station…..
Climb on board.
A Citizen’s poll. linky @ #13.
FunnyD
and let me ask finally to you looseheadprop;
why on earth is the bar not holding yoo to account for his depravity?
I know you know that when shakespear said “first thing to do is kill all the lawyers”, that quote really meant “that’s the only way to overthrow the government”
the quote is commonly taken out of context however it certainly begs the question;
our fourth esate is gone
our supreme court is gone
congress seems impotent
the lawyers are left to stand up and take control, they are indeed our last hope to keep our constitution and the seperation of powers, they MUST stand up NOW
are our lawyers also failing their country?
are they?
Yoo MUST be disbarred, he must
For starters Hugh’s list and probably usurpation of powers
Thanks
CONGRESS if they ever get the balls and go around Nancy (not on the table Nancy)
Shoot, I picked that up a week ago, on my first scan of the Torture Memo.
But, setting that aside, we need to note that Yoo, in citing the “Flanigan Memorandum” was actually citing his own work product (another memo) as authority for what he was extending in the Torture Memo.
When I was teaching legal research and writing as as a student adjunct, one of the lessons I pounded into both my own and my students’ heads was that someone who cites their own work as “authority” for their latest proposition, is deserving of less reliance - as a source of legal authority or as an interpreter of legal principles. That, because in so doing they are going off on a tangent untested by the adversarial process. And that even extends to Supreme Court Justices.
It’s a walking example of why incest is a bad idea.
It’s also intellectually dishonest.
If you look at the occasional law review article penned by a state or federal jurist - even the ones who sit on state Supreme Courts - you will rarely (if ever) find one in which the jurist discusses (let alone extols, expands or expounds upon) the decision he/she has just rendered. (I’ve never found one, but I do not exclude the possibility they might exist.) You’re likely even to find that appellate judges, when writing an opinion in a later case, do not cite as authority earlier precedential cases in which they wrote the opinion. This, of course, excludes trial courts when they write a number of opinions in a single case and say something like “I decided issues A, B, and C in my prior opinion in this case, and this established the law of the case. I now apply that prior opinion and the principles stated therein to decide issues D, E and F.” That is different from saying “I decided principle X exists/applies in a certain way, in Case G v. S. I apply, in case R v. N, principle X, and cite to G v. S as authority.” The latter is illegitimate, as the judge then is placing his own interpretation of the law as paramount. In a common law system - as we have - there is nothing new under the sun, and precedent available for everything. One merely has to do the research.
Which, by the way, shows just how depraved Yoo’s conduct in citing - repeatedly - to his own analyses in prior memos expanding executive power, in later memos further expanding executive power. He had to not cite to the directly on-point precedent - Youngstown Steel - because he could not get to the desired result (more executive power) if he did.
He gives whores a bad name.
Hmmm….conspiring (including with the Brits) to lie to the Nation to take us into a war against a country that had not attacked us by using propaganda based on known fallacies? Disregarding our laws…subverting the Constitution….Conspiring with Telcos to spy on American citizens without a warrant….Torturing…
There must be something there…
Question - what legal import can this Yoo’s memo have - so far it’s just advise some lawyer gave a client right? Anyone can write a memo.
I understand why Yoo avoided a discussion of Youngstown; by reading this post, everybody does. Thing is, I don’t think he had to, and the fact that he did so omit proves conclusively how intentionally dishonest and unethical, to literally almost a criminal degree, his effort was. I say this because I think there were plenty of slippery ways to distinguish Youngstown if Yoo were making an honest effort. For instance, (I don’t buy this, am just giving examples) it could be argued that Youngstown involved civil law and domestic physical assets as opposed to military and quasi-military issues on extra-territorial soil. The decision in Youngstown itself is convoluted and weak from the unusual nature of so many concurring opinions that constituted the majority. There are several slippery distinctions that could have been made if it were a valid effort, but it was not; instead, it was a sham to legitimize obviously criminal and immoral behavior.
a president has based his actions on yoo’s “opinion” of the law, both the opinion of yoo and the action of the president must be eliminated from precedence
there is only one way to do that, yoo must be disbarred, otherwise right or wrong, his “opinion” carries with it the weight of history, action, failure to rebuke and precendence
yoo must be disbarred
Part of why I spent the weekend writing a series (yes, there will be more for the rest of the week) about his memo, is so that the MSM and Congress critters will have SOMEBODY calling bullshit in plain language.
I’m not writing for other lawyers here. I’m writing for the dead tree or TV guy who needs a quote or a soundbite. I’m writing for the staffer who will be drawing up the questions for his or her Congress critter to ask–if Yoo testifies.
If we explain the story in ways that are easy to understand, there is a chance it will actually get communicated to the American people.
Or at least, that is my hope
Here……
But the client is the President of the United States…he advised the President of the United States how to get away with torture…Seems that the intention of the President was to find away to torture even though it was against our laws and international laws and treaties. JMHO
Excellent post, LHP. Thanks for your terrific work on this.
I hold, yoo was given a gaurantee, his “opinion” would be upheld by scotus
I do not believe he could have possibly written these opinions without that gaurantee
and I maintain, yoo must be disbarred
I really like that site, by the way.
Maybe they said…find a way that we can do what we want to do inspite of Youngstown.
I know this is why you write here looseheadprop, to be honest, it is why I write here, and I happen to know some of what we write is picked up and used by our lawmakers
so to be fair, it is why I wrote what I wrote as well
you, me and others here at the lake are doing what we think we can do.
but still looseheadprop, the law profession is our last hope here, yoo must be disbarred
I believe the process for impeaching a Supreme Court judge would be the same as for any other federal judge; articles of impeachment from the House, trial in the Senate.
It happens. Federal judges have been impeached.
… at which time an overwhelming Dem majority in Congress impeaches the Supremes …
me, tennis, c all L8tr
We are ready……
Such a SCOTUS guarantee simply does not happen and even Yoo would not believe that if someone were stupid enough to try to tell him that.
Shudder…me too…seems like that was the plan…
The poll that A. Citizen has up is about making a complaint to the California bar.
I don’t know how they work, but certainly a large enough number of complaints–and from some heavyweights of the bar–might jumpstart some proceedings.
I’m not admitted in California and the only times I ever went there was for rugby. I don’t really know the answer
Gee poll says 100% Disbar the war criminal… buy him a ticket to the
Hague so he can turn himself in for trial….
I believe Alcee Hastings, currently a Representative from Florida, was the last sitting judge to be impeached. For some reason, he was not blocked from serving in elected positions which I believe IS one of the penalties that can be imposed.
Certainly that Yoo’s memo affected the action of the Pres. and others. But if some of this stuff actually went to trial, Yoo’s memo would be might be used as the basis of a defense, but that would be all it would be good for. Because the case would still be tried on the basis of law and precedent.
I don’t think Yoo is a member of the Calif. bar; with the possible exception of a pro forma membership from his law school faculty status.
My first post in this series was about the craptastic job Yoo did of citation. Most of his very worst depredations have zero citations in the entire paragrpah. I assume because he could not find anything whatsoever to support it (besides something written by Lenin)
The poll also allowed Canucks to vote … yaay !
Was he ever called to the bar anywhere? Because in the bios I saw there is no record of his ever practicing law anywhere - almost went straight from getting his degrees to acting as a law clerk and teaching.
Nuremberg…but that wouldn’t apply here probably.
Pennsylvania I believe.
Thanks.
no - its a prohibition from holding an “office of trust or profit” - that means no more executive or judicial branch jobs. Since the only qualifications for election to the legislative branch are age, residence, and citizenship, the impeachment cannot disqualify him.
Geez, the SF Swat Team is escorting the torchbearers…
Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) is sometimes referred to as the Little Supreme Court
Traditionally it has employed the best and brightest legal scholars that DOJ had. Many went on to become federal judges and even SCOTUS justices.
Therefore, OLC opinions have been given a courteous reading as if they almost were SCOTUS opinons.
An OLC opinion is MUCH more than an opinion memo I write to a private client. Or at least it used to be
The complaint form is linked at my post:
Enough is enough!
Seems to me all I need is a CA taxpayer to complain of Yoo’s actions. Yoo is an employee of a state funded university teaching law. I just started on this yesterday so all is not clear to me anyway….
Anyway we are gonna kick this around at our Drinking Liberally, Oakland meeting tonight. I messaged Jane about it on facebook. If nothing else getting it on the news would be good. I’m on record going back over a year complaining about Yoo being employed by UCB, which is a different issue but is a weak point for the facistii. At least so I believe.
Any input from you would be appreciated.
As theater this could be a very good thing and as Shakespeare said so notably, ‘The play’s the thing…wherein I’ll catch the conscience of the King!!
Dr. Murphy must be having a wonderful time.
It’s beautiful in the Bay Area today and apparently SF is jammed with people protesting.
hi LHP and pups–
drive-by while downloading mail-just got back into town…
i heard a new one the other night from a retired navy sub man, whom i like, a lot, he and his wife…now, not so sure…
he was putting away the grill from a fund-raiser at my mom’s elks club, i was coming in the back door from making a cell phone call outside.
he started talkin’ like he always does, we talk a lot.
he raised iraq.
it started and went on from there, here’s where it ended.
i said if we didn’t want to follow the rules of the geneva convention, then we shouldn’t be members.
he said the terrorists aren’t covered under the geneva convention, i said you can’t be serious! he was serious.
said he read it, they aren’t covered, and he’s stickin’ to it.
we’ve tiptoed around each other’s differeing views, and learned from each other, but this was beyond a stretch for me to wrap my brain around to try and understand that kind of logic. stupified me.
my last comment across the ’bow’ was ’there’s no al-queda in iraq’ as i went through the kitchen laughing.
he then gave me containers of his amish potato soup to take to my liberal friends.
wants me to send him my basra timeline lists…..think i’ll skip lists and links and just send him hugh’s list…
terrorists aren’t covered under the geneva convention, wrap your brain around that one.
it should win a prize or something.
bbl
Okay, got it. Which is why it is so pernicious.
Well, I guess we have differing definitions then as to what constitutes an “office of trust” as I tend to want Representatives I can trust.
absolutely - but I wanted to make clear that not only was his total lack of citation in some places bad, but rather that his citing his own prior work as authority for his present work was worse. It’s so bad that, had one of the 1Ls in my section turned in a similar self-citation, they would have been required to re-do the work.
As we (and all the other lawyers) know, it’s something every 1L has (or should have) drilled into their pointy little heads from sometime in their first semester onward. But, it’s also something non-lawyers don’t necessarily know (though they’ll usually agree with it, once explained).
You are really asking too much /s
Yah know Perris, SCOTUS justices read the newspapers too. They are aware of public opinion. I think you may find that after the WH goes blue, some of the more radical memebrs of SCOTUS will feel a bit more timid about doing anything really silly, like that.
Anyway, the Yoo opinion has already been “overturned”, by the Goldsmith opinion which repudiated Yoo.
Goldsmith and Yoo had been friends before this, so it was a great act of intellectual integrity (and a real statement of just how undefensable the Yoo opinions were) that Goldsmith was willing to patriotically destroy Yoo to save some shred of the COnstitution.
It must have been VERY hard for Goldsmith
From wiki on the Hastings impeachment
Mr. Yoo’s vision of executive authority is oriental, unmitigated by any Anglo-Saxon or Norman notions of equity, that the law may have an unjust effect which the upholders of the law are bound to cure. Equity began as an alternative to “the law”, a reasoned, sustainable way to deal with necessary exceptions. At times ignored, at other times so encased in formalism and procedures that it became inert, equity survived and was ultimately incorporated into “the law” itself.
Mr. Yoo evidently skipped legal history in favor of comparative law, particularly Chinese and Soviet jurisprudence. Confucius or Lenin would recognize his opinions more readily than Coke or Blackstone, let alone Robert Jackson.
It’s tempting to say that Mr. Yoo fell into the trap that awaits every lawyer asked to give advice to the ruthless, the powerful, the pitiless and the wealthy. He told them what they wanted to hear. His academic record makes clear he knew better; it suggests that he used guile in writing such a sweeping, “casually reasoned” opinion. Like a theatrical flat, that gave his advice the appearance of solidity, but only in the dark and when seen from far away. Hence, it was immediately “classified”.
I say “tempting” because Mr. Yoo’s consistent, understated arrogance in support of his work since leaving office suggests that he has no regrets, no deeper recognition of the law or its misuse (which he claims is outside the lawyer’s obligation to anticipate, a debatable issue that’s beside the point: the first objection to his work is that it’s bad law). Mr. Yoo looks like he didn’t “fall” into anything: he jumped in with both feet.
The biggest argument against SCOTUS ratifying Yoo is that the next prez will be a D and they don’t want him to have that power.
The other day, somebody had a link to a bio of him that said he was a member of the PA bar and another bar (I can’t remember what the second jurisdiction was)
forgot to add, there are many people ’lookin’ for a reason’ on this guy, and this would be a big one.
i said nothing to anyone.
my parents would be so appalled if they knew this guy said this……..even asked me what we were goin’ back and forth about…..i said the war.
he does all kinds of charity work, tireless in serving his community, but thinks like that. i was so thrown.
he kept drawing his finger across his throat and naming a soldier that they had slit his throat….think i heard he knows their family.
terrorists are not under geneva convention, they’re animals with no code of conduct is what he said.
dunno.
it so bothered me, i wanted to hug him and tell him there was no santa claus….and couldn’t find the right words. told him we would take that back up when i was in town next month.
i think it’s a military thing, is it? he was career military. proud of it, and should be.
if anyone has a hint of what to do with it, let me know.
Yoo makes me anxious to be a juror.
dakine at 82–”
Well, I guess we have differing definitions then as to what constitutes an “office of trust” as I tend to want Representatives I can trust.”
i learned to be trustworthy when i knew it was a trait that is valued and required to be a good person.
i think when it is valued and suggested as a requirement, it becomes a motivation.
thanks for mentioning it, can i use that in my letters i write?
i didn’t think of that one, it’s not worn out and kindof says it all.
thanks, dakine.
I think that the “second” thing on his CV was that he is “admitted to practice before the 9th Circuit”, but that isn’t a bar membership, and isn’t going to be yanked unless his bar membership in Pennsylvania is yanked.
Sadly, it would appear that the estimable Mr. Woo is neither a member of the CA bar nor the ABA….
Is that strange?
How is it he an teach law and not be licensed to practice same?
In the MOST technical sense they are not. The Nazis observed the Geneva Conventions with respect to American and British POWs. However the Nazis described resistance fighters (and others) as UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS and sent them to gas chambers and concentration camps. After torturing them for information.
This argument didn’t do them much good at Nuremberg, and I suspect it won’t do much good at the Hague, but what do I know?
Hey you Cunucks have a stake in this also as our close friends and citizens of the world,,,
Oh, I could not agree with you more, and with your prior comment as well. I was reinforcing the point you were making
Scott Horton recently claimed that John Yoo is a member of both the CA and PA, in a context, it seemed to me, that invited readers to ask both why that still is.
Those who can’t do, teach?