
“Those who seek to demonize coal or eliminate its use are, quite honestly, disconnected from reality." Dominion Resources CEO Thomas F Farrell, II
What is the reality that we are disconnected from?
- The 3.5 million tons of smog-forming nitrogen oxide, 10 million tons of sulfur dioxide, 48 tons of mercury, 56 tons of arsenic, 134,000 tons of hydrochloric acid and 130 million tons of toxic-laden waste from US coal-fired electricity plants each year?
- A warming planet? And, the quite likely possibility that we need to figure out how to reduce not our emissions, but how to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?
- Mountain-top removal’s devastation?
I’d ask "what planet do you live on, Tom", but really the question is:
What planet do you want my and your children to live in?
Farrell spoke publicly at the Energy Technology Summit at UVA-Wise, near Dominion’s proposed new coal-fired electricity plant which earned Farrell a Fossil-Fool Award. As for those seeking to "dominize coal", we "are placing ‘pie in the sky’ above practicality."
What, I wonder, is practicality? Desiring and striving for a livable planet for our future and future generations isn’t "practical"?
“We do not have the luxury of limiting ourselves to a few sources of energy and excluding others,” Farrell said. “We need to draw on every resource at our disposal – coal, nuclear, oil, natural gas, renewable power and aggressive and smarter conservation and efficiency programs.”
Only a fool doesn’t seek to have a portfolio of solution sets, but coal is only the centerpiece for those who are denying the very reality and the serious implications of Global Warming. But, yes, a sensible policy would combine a mix of energy source and serious conservation/efficiency. Pursuing these paths, "aggressive and smarter" pursuit, would enable retiring coal from the US electricity grid in a few decades rather than fostering introduction of new coal plants.
Aside from climate change, other energy issues that should not be overlooked are tightening supplies, skyrocketing demand, volatile and escalating fuel costs, aging infrastructure and a shortage of scientists and engineers, Farrell said.
Yes, Tom. Absolutely, Tom. But, let us go back to that "aggressive and smarter
conservation and efficiency". Might that have something to say about "skyrocketing demand". "Volatile and escalating fuel costs" includes the skyrocketing price for coal? In addition to the fuel price, perhaps your rate payers might be concerned over the risk of future carbon prices which will truly make the Wise plant an unwise decision. This point is true. Energy is a quite complicated issue, with Global Warming being only one of the implications of energy policy decision-making. But, it is an issue that merits being on the table, perhaps the center piece of the table, and an issue that highlights the foolishness of pursuing the Wise County plant.
Dominion is promoting conservation and energy-efficient light bulbs, he said, but “even with effective customer conservation, we still are going to have to build new power plants … to produce the amount of electricity our customers will need.”
Should we laugh or cry at this?
"Dominion is one of the nation’s largest producers of energy." Dominion’s conservation program: some cute material on their website on "Energy Conservation and the Environment", a 4,500-resident energy-conservation pilot program by Dominion Virginian Power (remember, from "one of the nation’s largest producers …" 4,500, get serious!), and a discount program for CFLs. With a serious effort, "aggressive and smarter conservation and efficiency programs," the entire need for this plant’s electricity could be obviated. And, the introduction of renewables and additional nuclear capacity could enable a gradual shut down of Dominion’s existing fossil-fuel in the coming decades rather than expanding Dominion’s already massive carbon footprint.
Yes, those "who seek to demonize coal or eliminate its use are, quite honestly, disconnected from [the] reality" that alternatives exist. That a holistic approach toward our energy challenges could produce a more prosperous union and a more climate-friendly one. Sadly, Fossil Fools stand in the way of taking this smarter path.
Hat tip to Raising Kaine and Dr. James Hansen vs Dominino Executive Tom Farrell.



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Welcome, A Siegel!
Sun and wind power is free.
Is there any recent research on breathing problems, allergies,and autism being linked to
“The 3.5 million tons of smog-forming nitrogen oxide, 10 million tons of sulfur dioxide, 48 tons of mercury, 56 tons of arsenic, 134,000 tons of hydrochloric acid and 130 million tons of toxic-laden waste”
What by the way is in the toxin-laden waste?
What planet do you want my and your children to live in?
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they dony give a fig…..many believe in the “END TIMES” but tell the young folks to get organized…we can do it
Hi, A Siegel. Introduce yourself?
Any word on clean coal tech they have been talking about it since the 70’s?
Earth, Wind, Fire, AirTwo words: Off Grid.
I wonder what kind of “energy” the rapture will use?
Hello, A, and welcome to FDL!
Oh they are gonna be so surprised.
All the energy will be provided by Buddhist prayer wheels.;)
If coal is selling at record prices then why are the coal mine owners screaming they can’t afford the latest in mine safety features?
Just how much of a profit margin makes it worth having a Miners blood on your hands when you stand before the Lord on Judgement Day?
Hello A. Siegel. I like your thread. I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of reading your threads before. From where do you hail? Is energy alternative your passion?
Because that would cut into the bottom line. That’s all that matters — the bottom line. Screw the workers, screw their families. Preserve the bottom line. Cynical? You bet your butt. I’m old enough to be a cynic. [sigh… it doesn’t mean I like having to be one…]
Remember Coal and Nuclear need a lot of water, what is Atlanta and Las Vegas running out of? Water
LOL…and they will promptly have the realization of “illusion”….instant enlightenment…accompanied by “Oh Sh*t”….
The pic reminds me of the cover of an Ayn Rand novel. She loved smoke stacks. Really. So many of these smokestack warriors now run the country.
Believe it or not Governor Crist vetoed a new coal plant near the Everglades National Park. Too much water and mercury.
Necessity is the mother of invention they say.
Out of necessity there are already hundreds of projects going on right now looking for viable energy alternatives.
ocean Wave power is currently making a resurrection, wind power is going gangbusters and solar is getting more and more affordable every day.
“getting off the grid” is becoming more viable daily.
I am not quite so sure about that, our planet uses the energy from the sun, energy is neither created nor eliminated, it’s just converted
what would happen to the planet of that energy were not released the way it is at present?
I don’t know, I don’t think anyone knows
the same thing is true for wind, the wind energy winds up somewhere, to what purpose though?
to spawn flowers at least, I am sure there are other things that will not happen when we remove some of that wind
don’t forget, there is also tide energy and gravity energy, (retrieved from waterfalls)
I am sure these forms of energy are more benign then combustive energy but never the less, we won’t know till we do it in quantity
“France’s Renault SA will supply electric cars for a project in Denmark that aims to set up the conditions to encourage widespread marketing of the clean vehicles.
Renault’s announcement today follows the Renault-Nissan alliance’s decision earlier this year to participate in a similar project in Israel with Project Better Place, a firm dedicated to installing the infrastructure to support electric cars. “
On Jan. 21, Renault and Project Better Place signed an accord to establish mass-marketing of electric cars in Israel, with Renault producing the cars and Project Better Place agreement to provide 500,000 battery-charging stations. Renault said at the time that the project might be duplicated in other sites.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb…..147/AUTO02
Denmark plans to use the cars to store the excess energy they now sell to other countries generated from Wind Power.
Strange how “Spring” seems to manage without “our” help. The day a human can figure out how to make a “rose” without the use of preexisting rose cells…then I’ll listen….humans are idjiots….
I’m a bit confused. Were I to put solar panels on my roof to generate some electric power to power something in my house how would that change anything other than possibly keeping my attic cooler (maybe) and reducing my reliance on the local power company? I don’t get what your concern is here.
Last July I spent a month on the Island of Crete….. everywhere you saw solar water heaters, on roofs of hotels, apartments, homes and businesses… where there wasn’t solar water heaters there were large black water tanks on the roofs for the solar gain…. AND the company name of the solar water heaters….Creta Sun…. wow probably a local company…..
Driving around the island, up on the ridges overlooking the sea were wind farms…..not just one but over and over again there were rows of wind generators….
Just exactly who is the Cretan when this tiny Island can do this?
Clean coal…an oxymoron created by morons.
Cynical?
No they serve the Beast! Its time for another religious war to save the Earth just like we had to end Slavery. It was the Lefty Churches of the time which fought Slavery because they thought it was immoral.
What took them so long I don’t know. But it was an idea whose time had come.
Excellent subject – Excellent essay!
In Southcentral Alaska, in the Mat-Su Valley suburban bush north of Anchorage, a coalition of progressives, libertarians and moderates have completely destroyed plans of the local power co-op to erect a massive coal-fired owner plant smack in the heart of one of the most beautiful places in the world. Over a period of ten months, we forced them to abandon their plans, got the local borough government to change the ordinances governing power plants, and threw out a co-op board majority that was enabling management in their dreams of erecting a Soviet-era quality coal plant.
If we can do that in the reddest area of Alaska, you can do it anywhere in the USA.
ET, you guys are kicking some serious butt up there. Kudos.
Hear, hear!
How do we harness “Spring”? What is that?
I just returned from Nevada. First, ruthless capitalists ripped out all the trees and clear cut the mountains around Reno to build Sacramento, San Francisco and Los Angeles and surrounding areas. Nary a tree was replaced. What was once a lush valley is now hot and dry with bare eroding land. This was one hundred years ago and nothing grew back.
Now golf courses with expensive homes and lush lawns take up countless acres. Yep. No water. Very scarce commodity. It comes up in conversation occasionally. With all that Nevada sun there are very little solar panels on homes or businesses.
To add to this human disaster, there is urban sprawl and the clean air is now a gray cloud over the valley. You hope for a wind to clear it out. Also, lots of wind there.
What’s lacking? Will. Indifference. Don’t bother me I have to get to the casino attitudes.
Cool! EdwardTeller any chance of getting geothermal power like Iceland has? Or would wind power work better for you state?
Well, there may also be a bit of “I’ve got mine, screw you” added into the mix.
I guess that the Bush family buying land in Paraguay over a huge water reservoir was insurance for their future, huh?
Project Better Place agreement to provide 500,000 battery-charging stations. Renault said at the time that the project might be duplicated in other sites.
Just how many gas stations does Israel have 500,000 battery changing stations sounds to me like they could be planing to replace every gas powered car.
We’re trying to develop the most sophisticated set of renewable energy talking points developed yet in the USA. We have to, because energy costs are destroying the hundreds of Native towns and villages in Western Alaska. Impoverished people can’t afford to pay $10.00 or more a gallon for stove oil, $15.00 or more for kerosene. Trees don’t grow where many of these villages are, but it sure gets windy – for weeks and weeks, sometimes. Hugo Chavez stepped in with $60,000,000 worth of fuel vouchers this winter for the small, mostly Native-populated villages, but renewable energy is the most important part of the mix.
I’ve talked to people in outlying areas who have paid $10,000 to heat a 900 square foot home so far this winter. And – looking at the foot of snow we’re getting right now – it ain’t over.
That’s because they usually did things by consensus and would go over it again and again trying to “convince” the others. Some had to actually break apart because they approached the moral issue so differently. Thus, Quaker Meeting and Quaker Church. Quite different. In the end, you must follow your conscience.
Thank God for you, because apparently no one in “government” cares.
Really? Ya think?!
There are plans to develop a huge coal field – called Chuitna – about 100 miles from here, on the NW side of Cook Inlet. For the money they intend to use developing the place, they could extend the road another 15-20 miles and get into a geothermal area that would be like Iceland on steroids. Developing that area in the Aleutian Range – a string of massive volcanoes – for geothermal, would give Southcentral Alaska cheap electricity for the next 250 years.
Wind and tide are another way. And – in the summer, at least – it is light all the time.
This needs a post.
Like, 100%. Disgusting. There are a few who really are dedicated to change. Bless them. It’s like walking up hill with buckets of boiling water in both hands, on your head and strapped to your back.
Again this needs a post
I’ve written a few at my place. Corrupt politicians are keeping me so busy, though, it is often difficult to write about renewable energy. When we get rid of our Corrupt Bastard Club, we can deal with it a helluva lot btter.
I wonder what started the movement against Slavery?
According to KO, Bush to keep 15 month rotations..
BTW…I loathe this man (being kind)….
One word — vicious. The man is vicious.
Jeepers! That is criminal. Has anyone contacted Frontline, 60 Minutes to get some press? They are closer to Russia. Maybe they should revolt and align with the Russians. Oh, then they will all end up in Gitmo.
KO is going to talk about Holy Joe crashing his own server. Did everyone eat their oatmeal this morning and decide to nail Holy Joe?
Not that I’m complaining:)
it all boiles down to deregulation
ThingsComeUndone,
I’ve discovered when commenting here over the past three years, or writing for Howie, or at my place, or posting Kos diaries, that most lower-48 people completely don’t get Alaska, and even more, don’t get Alaskans. I try to enlighten a bit, but there’s really no way to explain, especially to really urban people.
Heh!
Seventeen US troops dead since Sunday.
If coal fires, and dust and smoke/smog were good enough for Dickensian London, who am I to deny fodder for a whole set of novels. We are getting the proper economy, so lets blacken the skies and scorch the earth. W00t.
It is like another planet.. a very very beautiful planet.
Commander Blubber-eyes is going to speak to the nation tomorrow.
Remind me to skip that shit.
-G
Thank you!!!!!!
John McCain is gonna snap one of these. Just keep hitting him with his moronic ‘100 years war’ quip.
He’s gonna blow. You can tell.
-G
Welcome, A, and good post. I think it’s important to emphasize that the coal displacement scenario you describe in the link to your blog site requires a statutory mandate to ban coal-fired production. That’s not clear but it’s a function of how power plants are chosen for dispatch by those who operate the system. The dispatch is built from the cheapest to operate plants first, and then you keep adding more expensive to operate plants in economic merit order until you meet the total demand.
A coal plant tends to be one of the cheaper to operate plants in the dispatch order, so coal plants run most of time, whereas more expensive gas-fired plants tend to run only during peak hours, when demand is highest.
So if you add a wind generator, it’s operating costs are near zero, so its power goes into the dispatch order near the front. It doesn’t replace power from coal plants, because that’s cheap; instead, the wind energy replaces the higher cost gas-fired generation. A MWhr of wind generated energy doesn’t lead to a MWhr less of coal generated energy. so just building renewable and doing the other good things you describe, needs to be coupled with a mandatory policy to turn the coal plants off, because otherwise, they’ll continue to operate while other plants with higher cost are turned off first.
Is it true you all wear hard hats? :P
People wonder where Turner got his colorful, diffuse sunsets, where the Impressionists got their hazy images. Coal, and lots of it, powering the British and French 19th century industries and urban areas.
Maybe the coal industry needs to develop their calls for neo-Impressionist atmosphere to attract the artsy crowd to their side, eh?
I prefer a dead animal atop my head, as I head out to club a woman to bring back to my cabin.
lol. I thought it was an igloo…a cabin sounds pretty luxurious.
Dominion’s energy efficiency efforts are so laughable, that it’s hard to even have a serious discussion about the practical reality of energy demand in this country. I’m not talking about those of you who can live off-grid, or can afford to install PV panels on your roof, or live in a municipality that will allow you to install a wind turbine. I’m talking about the large-scale needs of cities and states. Even in areas with strong conservation efforts, energy demand grows.
In the short term, coal will continue to be a necessary part of our energy portfolio–this portfolio should also include other nonrenewable and a growing amount of renewable sources and most importantly, energy efficiency. (I’m ducking now in anticipation of incoming tomatoes…)
Sorry, but I work on this stuff every day (NOT for a utility–I’m an energy efficiency geek)
Mea Culpa all … I got posted time wrong … just finished that dinner with family … Now to spend time with another family / community …
There’s an igloo out back, behind the outhouse and smokehouse, just before you get to the 150 dog kennels made out of caribou antlers tied together by sealgut twine.
A belated welcome to A. Siegel. Sorry to make you endure our teasing of ETeller on your thread! I notice that c&l is covering this coal connection story as well. I’m still astonished at how nefarious some businesses can be.
When Quakers first started they just applied it to themselves and didn’t participate in owning slaves. They condemned it. They would gather together to see how they could make change. This was daunting since people were scattered thus today in every Quaker Meeting there are quarters for people to stay as they travel.
We can really appreciate the speed of communication today by comparison. Also, Quakers have no hierarchy and did everything by consensus (still do). This is a long slow way to go but ultimately very powerful because the entire group supports what becomes a practice, thus, nonviolence. They don’t waver even when sent to jail.
Ben Franklin was influenced by Quakers which you see in his dress. He wasn’t a Quaker but he dressed in their attire. He had a male slave and justified owning this person because he was very good and kind to him. As a Quaker, he would not have been allowed to own another human. What this shows to me is that some people in the population were beginning to become aware slavery was wrong but just couldn’t make the leap. Women weren’t much better off either. They were the property of their husbands.
Yes. There have been big pushes to install natural gas “peaker” plants in lots of places as an alternative to coal…well, natural gas prices are tracking oil right now (speculation, but that’s another post), so the cost of that electricity keeps skyrocketing.
Jeez, don’t encourage me ET!
The igloo, is that where you keep the sardines?
How’d you place in the Iditarod this year?
oops gtg. I gotta cook up something in the covered wagon for the leader!
While Petraeus and Crocker have been testifying…numerous (unclear because ICasualties has been “down” conveniently during their testimonies)…violence is up in Iraq…..
A couple people asked for introduction …
About “me” …
* My passion is energy and global warming issues.
* I ‘run’ Energize America (), which is an effort to develop energy concepts using the blogosphere and get them into the policy discussion. This originated with the work of Jerome a Paris, Devilstower, and Meteor Blades at Daily Kos.
* On a more consistent basis, I homebase my blogging at Energy Smart.
* Among other activities / engagements, I am a Climate Project trainee.
Etc …
Once we get enough wind and solar plants we can shift power from places with wind and sun to places that need power but are not windy or sunny today through the national power grid.
All we need is even distribution of power generation nation wide.
Wow, re Project Better Place, I had known about (and written on) the Israeli initiative. I had not heard that they are moving this to Denmark.
For those not in the know,
Israel works very well for application of the concept, since it is a virtual island that isn’t that big with a large number of cars. Denmark? Will need to read up on this. Have to say that Shai is ambitious with a grand vision …
I’ve visited energysmart – it is bookmarked on my other laptop. Excellent site!
Perris …
We have an impact on the earth. Making / using energy will have an impact. But, the reckless endangerment path we (inclusive of all humanity) are following is far more dangerous than a switch to the renewables.
There are studies (galore) about the implications for how much wind a windfarm takes out, wave power, etc … This is not an irrelevant question or consideration, but it pales in consequence with that due to burnng fossil fuels.
How many billions have you got? Transmission lines cost money.
I don’t mean to sound negative, crabby, or disagree that there are areas of this country that are perfect for wind and solar and we should take advantage of them. But, we’ve got a major infrastructure “challenge” that has to be overcome. (Among all the other infrastructure problems we have…) My frustration with the last 8 years is showing…
Israel is planning on getting the power from the sun. Denmark already has the excess wind power being generated.
KO’s gonna tackle the Ned Lamont/Blogger/Lieberman BS….
We need to upgrade the transmission lines regardless of how the power is generated. This will provide good paying jobs if we are smart about it.
Power is already being transmitted over high voltage transmission lines across hundreds of miles. There is some energy loss during transmission, but that’s not a major problem. So we can have wind farms in Montana or the Dakotas, and it enters the grid there. The grid is interconnected, so the energy contributes to the huge “pool” of energy from which consumers in the Midwest can draw. This happens today.
The major barrier to wind is there is often not enough transmission in place now to transmit the wind generated energy to the load centers in other regions, so we need to build more transmission. Who should pay for this? The generators? The customers who purchase the energy? The customers in the states over which the transmission lines cross? Major disputes about this between different states, their consumers, generators and others.
ET — I will be taking a look at your links. What you are doing sounds impressive & positive. And, the challenges you speak to for remote communities are quite real. How to help foster (a) more energy efficiency and (b) renewable power for those lower energy demands is a serious question for all the US/globe, with communities like you describe needing to be on the leading edge due to the fiscal implications of not doing so.
Now, Alaskans (rural) face the quite substantive challenge: how long can aviation be used as a viable way to move around anything considered basic necessities at a cost affordable (dollar or environmentally defined) basis.
Again, welcome! I look forward to reading more from you on this topic! It is so wonderful to have such a variety of voices here at the Lake. I mostly lurk, but I do hang out here a lot.
[Please pardon the off topic, it’s breaking news]
Olbermann:
Lieberman, worst person in the world!
You funny!
Yay!!
TCU … Challenge for me is secondarily electricity source, but a chicken / egg question. Israel works very well for the PBP approach, since there are limited distances & the infrastructure for establishing exchange stations can be set up to match requirements. Denmark … some drivers occasionally want to go long distances. US … that battery replacement infrastructure becomes a tremendous challenge.
A. Siegel – Thank you for the links. I missed those. I’ll be visiting them frequently. Hope you will post with us often.
Guess I’d better turn on the TiVo! I think KO is working up to another special comment one of these days soon.
Excellent post and excellent points … Thank you … Yes, that scenario requires policy decision making that coal will be retired … and the infrastructure recycled/reused as plants are retired.
The “scenario” is meant to outline the plausibility, not to define every detail.
I believe the scenario to be within the plausible. Do you agree?
As Martha points out @77 the power transmission system needs an upgrade anyway. We either start rebuilding our infrastructure now or we wait until it collapses.
I say we use the money we were spending on the war for one or two years to rebuild the country.
KO was great!
Two cars one electric for local travel one gas for long hauls. People can choose to buy one or the other until electric cars are equal in miles to gas.
I’d like KO to spend a little more time on exposing McCain…top the hands off McCain stuff…..
KO????
It is true that certain parts of the existing transmission system should be upgraded, with or without wind. The policy debate I’m referring to happens when new transmission is needed only to provide interconnection to remote wind sites — it would not otherwise be needed or economic — so when you look at the economics of wind, should you include the costs of the transmission needed to get its power to the loads? or should we socialize the transmission costs and not charge that to the costs of wind energy? Some areas who want to access the wind power prefer to socialize the transmission costs, but those unlikely to benefit directly from the wind resources do not want to socialize the transmission costs, because they don’t get the same benefits. That debate is happening all over the country.
A. Siegel -
What do you think of Obama saying he will have a prominent place for Al Gore if he wins the WH? Can you give you your opinion. Thanks.
New post!? I’m just getting started here.
Thanks Scarecrow for clarifying my rambling about transmission lines. This is what I meant.
Hi, — I agree the scenario is mostly plausible, with the plausibility very high for estimates of demand-side options — we can’t do enough of them in my opinion, and less credible as you move to less economic supply technologies.
The way I would put it is: we can undoubtedly displace the need for NEW coal plants with demand reductions/conservation plus renewables plus gas-fired, plus some luck. That will take a major effort, but it means we can credibly argue for not building any new coal plants. That’s a huge step.
Displacing existing coal plants is another order of magnitude difficulty. If we pursue the first step and succeed, we can help create the infrastructure that makes the second step more plausible.
My concern is that with current technologies, it looks like we’d still need a major commitment to nuclear to displace that large portion of existing coal plants that other options can’t displace — and we still haven’t solved nuclear waste disposal issues, after 40 years of trying. it’s a very hard problem — but we have to solve it, so let’s get on with it.
RE Transmission lines …
1. There is the potential for upgrade to an HVDC backbone and / or variations of equivalents for low loss transmission across swaths of the United States.
2. RE remote wind, I am involved with Stranded Wind, which is an effort to foster use of “stranded wind” (wind resources not easily integrated into the electrical grid) for making ammonia. That ammonia would displace the natural gas currently used for making fertilizer and one can use ammonia for powering farm vehicles. The Green2 revolution — all renewable resources for running the farm.
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This is late, but I’ve got to include it. I have been to Wise county, VA. It is at the back end of Virginia’s panhandle and frankly is as poor a place as Appalachia has produced, complete with played out coal mines, skinny unhealthy kids, polluted water, drugs, and you name it. The technology for extracting coal from played out mines is available and less expensive now, which is why Dominion wants to be there. The other thing is…it’s easy to get permitting and support for a filthy thing like a coal burning utility plant there. It makes what are relatively good paying jobs and sounds like a great idea. But, of course, no one in the Eastern half of the state..or at least east of I81 would allow something like taht in their area…but out in Wise County? No problem…those people are considered hillbillies anyway to the rest of the people of the state of VA.
The HVDC notion is fine, but the economic equity issues I raised still apply.
I think the “stranded wind” concept is really interesting. The attraction is that instead of thinking we have to move wind power as electricity, we can convert it to something else to be used more locally — and once we see that possibility, then smart people can ask, “which of these possible options makes the most economic/carbon sense? I like it.
Great post, A. More please.
SC — I am a pessimist optimist. Right now, I am feeling a bit more on the optimist side when it comes to the financial viability of renewables (such as CSTP (concentrated solar thermal power) and CPV (concentrated photo-voltaiics) for electrical power generation). There is also Google’s RE less than C. Etc …
I am very sadly pessimistic about our GW path and our ability to do the things necessary not just to reduce emissions, but actually start to reverse them. But, there are win-win-win geoengineering options even for this.
Re nuclear, I see this likely as part (PART) of the path forward … and, yes, waste is far from an inconsequential challenge.
WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!! YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Martha — That coal is part of the energy picture does not mean that we need to support adding more. VA is last (or near last) in the nation in terms of energy efficiency. There is a tremendous reseroir of Negawatts in the Commonwealth to tap that could obviate the need for the plant for awhile to come. (Imagine how far $1.6 billion could go toward energy efficiency.) Imagine what could happen with Profit Decoupling. Imagine …
Wow … Thank you. And, I’ve just visited the beautiful Progressive Alaska. I plan to read up (write on) what you’re doing and documenting.
Re “economic equity”, to me this becomes a real question of how we “price” the overall costs / benefits. If there is a meaningful carbon cost, then the transmission system can be incorporated into the wind price & the wind remains cost competitive.
And, part of the carbon revenues might be used explicitly to help foster the introduction of more renewables (and thus help pay for transmission lines).
Now, we electrified the nation with the wires being a shared social burden. Does that make sense for the introduction of renewables?
Re rural electrification and socializing transmission costs — a good social policy at first glance. But it’s structure was dictated by utilities who thought only in terms of central generation and integrated grids operated by monopolies. What would have happened if, instead of socializing transmission costs, we had asked, what’s the most economic way to provide electricity to rural areas? Would distributed and/or micro generation have developed sooner? I dunno.
I had to leave for a meeting for awhile. Thanks for checking my place. I’m hoping we’ll see you back here real soon, too.
“Clean coal” is an oxymoron. Coal is mostly carbon, and the only way you get energy from carbon is by oxydizing it (e.g., buring it) to form carbon dioxide (CO2), which is a greenhouse gas. Any questions?