Login HereBuncha phony soldiers running around in Iraq these days.
PFC Jeremy Slate said he supported Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., because of his stated intention to pull out of Iraq right away.
"That would be nice," Slate said, "I'd like to be home, yea."
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SFC Patricia Keller also expressed support for Obama, citing his representation for change.
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Spc. Imus Loto said he supported Obama. "It will be something different. But he's out there and he'll probably support us a lot more."
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1st Sgt. David Logan said, "I am leaning toward Hillary. I think that we should have a gradual drawdown."
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To that end, Lindsesdt's pick is Obama. "The fact that he's followed his views, regardless of what they have been [sic] and whether I've agreed with them or not, sometimes. But he's been steady the entire way."
One thing wingnuts really hate is objective evidence that actual, real-life soldiers support Democrats. So they're running around accusing ABC of cherry-picking. They must not have heard that unserious defeatists Barack Hussein Obama and Ron Paul were leading in military fundraising. They must not know that 6 out of 10 military families hate Bush or that a Military Times poll showed that the troops hate him too.
Look at the trend. Gore got less that 20% of the military vote in 2000, but thanks to Bush's excellent war, Kerry more than doubled that in 2004. So don't be a bit surprised if the Democratic candidate breaks 50% this year.
But even if that continues, the wingnuts will desperately cling to their fantasy that all troops are loyal Republican dittoheads, that they really love Bush and McCain, that they would never vote Democrat because Democrats hate them and hate America, that the liberal media must be lying, exit polls are unreliable, etc., etc., etc. They just can't help themselves.
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dfh”s. the lot of them!!!
the troops don’t support this president’s abuse of our armed forces, he has actually stolen our assets with the awesome might of the united states military, and stolen the treasure of the middle east
the price?
our armed forces have been turned to shreds, our lives have been lost
Will the NIE be required reading in a second Clintons’ White House? No more trips to Bosnia, that’s the only guaranteed non-event if the Clintons get back in.
Webb asks about permanent bases and what was the threshold for an agreement that would require Congressional approval. Crocker starts his uhing routine.
Meanwhile, we build monster bases … just don’t call them “permanent”
So if there is no security commitment in the SOFA, what is the point of having our troops in Iraq? Can’t we not commit to Iraqi security much better and more safely from here?
Boxturtle up?
I repeat my need for CSPAN to provide me with spew alerts.
EPU’d from downstairs:
Oh great, the ass wipe (Cornyn) who wanted folks to sign his petition in support of petraeus. Oh look, he blew him a kiss
How much of another country’s geography does the US claim in military bases?
Bear in mind that most wingnut bloggers, especially the more infamous ones, are in fact chickenhawks.
Not me, dammit! I’m a NICE boxturtle! just ask my cats!
Boxturtle (GOP has tried to steal everything else, why not my nickname…)
Do you characterize the last year as progress? Both militarily and politically.
They both answer yes.
The “consequences of failure.” Bringing them home is failure?
Wobblybits, can you characterized the progress/ the situation over in Iraq for the rest of us?
Wobblybits: Yes, I can. It’s fucked up.
you think we would have learned from the soviets. this shit bankrupted their country and we are well on our way here.
Sorry, dude.
I know you’re nice.
If P & C don’t see themsleves as successful in Iraq they may get demoted. Interesting how they are allowed to write their own performance report. They got a ten all around.
I just made some fresh pomegranate juice. I may have to add some sake to make it through the rest of this bullshit
9/11…was THE SOVIETS FAULT
wwwaaaaah
Fear fear fear.. I wish a Dem would ask Petreaus if he has ever found evidence of any kind of threat to American soil from anyone in Iraq.
I’m holding out my glass - I’ll have vodka with mine,please
ask the Clintons?
Now who would ask that question?
I read BT’s excellent post and then I look at the FDL newsbox and I see this:
“G.O.P. Struggles to Find Candidates for Congress”
I think to myself, “All of this MUST be good for Republicans.”
keyboard issue - themselves : my “e” sticks and hides itself behind the “l”. The other problem is I think I am a five hundred word a minute typist.
should I just leave the bottle with you? *g*
Evan Bayh is trying to be as bland as possible but Petraeus may be just too weasely even for him.
lol
WELL said! me too.
P. we fight for the right for others to have different opinions although he thinks there is only one way forward in Iraq.
Mr out the tv on mute. He can’t take it anymore (at least not until he can start drinking)
Quote the media will pick up alert!
Betrayus: “The champagne bottles have been pushed to the back of the refrigerator.”
Yep. Gonna need it through this afternoon “spit and shine” session.
Bayh looks frightenly like my dad. Must be the hair
I can’t even have the TV on. I don’t drink, but I still get enraged by Thuglicans and Mr. Gnome has a nice new flat screen TV that I should not throw things at. I will follow your commentary instead. ;-)
Crocker: We need to commit 5 times as many resources to Iraq as to Afghanistan so that it will not turn into Afghanistan.
Yeah, I didn’t understand that one either.
We’re on the left coast and can’t really justify alcohol before noon pst. By that tims, the feijoada (black beans stewed with meat) and rice will be finished and he can drink to dull the stupidity
Once correction, Bayh - not the principle threat? It was NEVER a threat until we bumbled in there.
Oh yeah, now Iraq is way important to OBL.
Bahy - OBL doesn’t scare me, and I don’t take my marching orders from him!
And the cupboard is stocked with Jack Daniels.
This afternoon is going to call for blueberry margaritas (made fresh blueberry juice) hell I’ll make a pitcher
“champagne wishes and caviar dreams”
Just looked in my refrigerator and there was no champagne bottle. There was something green and slimey. For a moment there I thought I had Petraeus in my refrigerator. Scary.
Bayh is asking good questions!
When we say we will stay forever - we motivate the Iraqis to do absolutely nothing.
Yes!
Hmm I missed Graham but I’m sure I can sum up his appearance with:
You guys are fabulous.gooo team
Is McCain still there or did he sneak out for a nap?
Who are these “leading experts” I keep hearing about? They never have names just “they”. I need a specific name with a job description so I know that person’s background that qualifies him/her and what is expected of them.
P. We can never say when we will leave.
Evan Bayh has finally said something I had hoped someone should say. “We should not take our marching orders from Osama bin Ladin. We should not react to what he says, sometimes predictably in a way that he would have us react.”
Oh, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me in the briar patch!
“Surge” + “pause” = escalation.
Bayh seems to be positioning himself for VP. Most aggressive I’ve seen so far.
LOL It’s his uniform. The military needs to get new tailors. P looks like a Middle School band leader.
Bring Them Home!
Join the protest!!!!!!
The only thing they have is “booga booga! be afraid!” about what might happen if we leave, and lies about how it’s not happening now.
i can’t tell what they’re singing. i wish it were a Revolutionary War song.
someone’s got to get them new protest songs… sounds like a hymn
Gaveled. NPR now having an insipid analysis.
much needed break
Betrayus: “I’m a four-star general. I’ve got strategic thoughts.”
Wheeeeee!
Good summary, Bayh.
We’ll know when we get there and we won’t know when that is ’til we get there!
Great way to end.
I’m sure he’s eady to share it with the 4,016 families of our war dead in Iraq, eh…?
at least, with the presence of the protesters, we have some bit sanity during the hearing.
shit only a 30 minute break and it will be aired on CSPAN 3
OK, at 2:30 is the next hearing and it’ll be on CSPAN 3, tune in early
senate foreign relations committee in 30 min.
I heard somewhere, but don’t know how to fact check it, that there are more personnel in military bands than in all of the State Dept.
yes, were it not for them, we would not be represented in these things ATOLL! what a bunch of betrayal and and a crock of caca. who will END THIS THING?
CSpan 3 has a hearing on refugees in the region .. Syrian ambassador speaking now.
Arrrgh! Poor Afghans. Poor Iraqis. Twenty-first century warlord-ism with the bumbling English, I mean Americans trying to play Henry VI.
He didn’t really say that, did he?
selise, seen any news on dept of homeland security meetings lately?
He did indeed. One of the high points of the hearing.
My favorite protest was a group of women in downtown San Francisco standing on a corner wailing soulfully when we invaded Iraq. People stopped. It was haunting. The sound reminded me of Martha Graham’s Lamentations. The sorrow is beyond human words.
Yes, actually, he did. That is not a paraphrase.
I need a bullshit button today
OH ICK again. Condi on CSpan2. why can’t we ever get on camera someone authentic, ethical and effective? GAWD I’ll be glad when this bunch is gone!
Even more than those with desk jobs in the Pentagon?
It’s not just the wingnuts. Rather, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, almost everyone is the mainstream media thinks that everyone in America wants the troops to stay in Iraq until they achieve VICTORY. Glenn Greenwald has been outing this lunacy for some time now.
Siun, while there’s a break, I wanted to tell you thanks for the incredible wealth of knowledge and compassion you bring to these hearings. You are a treasure.
BTW, while we’ve got a few minutes-there’s a lot of relatively-new people here-why not a quick thumbnail about the Guides?
… that would be the pnac group …
I urge everyone to watch that conference from Villanova when you have the chance.
link to watch
we’ll pop them open Nov 1, to be sure…
I don’t know about you guys but listening to these guys lie for 4 hours makes my brain feel like it is turning to jello.
OTOH things will blow up there if we leave so we must stay there forever.
On the other, there is so much progress and success that we will need to stay there forever.
So what is the difference? We stay or we stay, according to Petraeus and Crocker.
that’s a cool little item there. how about if we all buy one and mail it to the White House.
hmmm.
Give Nuclear technology to dysfunctional governments … what could possibly go wrong ?!!
Yep! They need to come out in the sunshine, take off those black hoods and show themselves.
Democrats in the Senate are clearly carrying Republiwater today.. Such poor questions and virtually no corrective language.
The big lie remains a pox on both parties.
DHS senate committee. *Sigh* that picture on the front page speaks volumes.
Chris Mathews going after the Iraqi stay for ever agreement ….
do you mean congressional committee hearings? if so, i only saw 2 business mtgs this week.
((( ES )))
Next time, I’m reading your summation instead of wasting 4 hours of my life …
Oh Cornyn, Chambliss and all are just leading Petraeus to say there are potential “threats” in Iraq, so we have to stay for the hypothetical, or maybe just hard cold cash for our Blackwater, Halliiburton friends.
on the other hand, we could stay and make the iraqis pay for it.
excellent and sad summary.
I guess I was wondering how Holy Joe was handling the multitude of problems plaguing DHS. I looked at the committee hearings, looked at the picture, and somehow choked.
The Repugs are disgusting. Screaming how war is done for me. How dare they be so presumptive. They just told me they have wars for my liberty. I’ll take care of my own liberty, thank you. I want no one to die for me so I can have a sandwich at the deli while they “sacrifice” themselves. That’s repulsive.
any chance come november when we pick up more dem seates in the senate that they willl strip this ass wipe of his senority and the chairmanship?
Kevin Drum with two useful points: http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....013485.php
And of course, even Iraqis who feel they “need” US to stay in power, might why they want to be stuck with the gouging prices of our privatized military.
i think liarman fits right in with one of the most fucked up departments of gov
Of course, a lot of rethugs are retiring, non?
Something like 27 iirc.
Idiot goopers speaking to empty congress to get comments into the congressional record- many reading comments from people long dead. Stupid fuckin congress.
The Dems can turf him now without losing control of that chair …
Okay here’s one. The only question I’ll ask on this thread about both Democratic candidates. *Why* on earth do they both say they will keep the Dept of Homeland Security, only reform it?!?
It’s a CLASH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ag8J2NMYmc
and blame them too. The best of all possible worlds.
Dept of Homeland Security was originally a dem idea that Goopers ended up supporting.
exactly. and if that gets boring, every once in a while, blame iran for a change of pace.
The best reform would be to abolish it.
Hey that’s Holy Joe’s Baby you’re insulting, DHS.
because they like the idea of a dhs?
Thank you. I was really fishing for that response. Wasn’t sure I’d get it.
BTW… (a little OT)
*Unlimited, warrantless wiretaps by the FBI since 1994.
*Department of Homeland Security’s National Applications Office conducting illegal, domestic sattelite surveilance.
*And, DOJ just doesn’t seem to have the resources to provide copies of a couple of memos that they would be more than happy to provide to Congress if they just could.
Notice the similarities???
These revelations about gross unconstitutional actions by our government were all released the same day that Our Glorious HERO, The Savior of Iraq, General Davey P puts on his dog & pony show before the Senate. Heroic Davey makes such good television that no one will bother to report or seem to care that our very system of government, the Constitution of the United States is under attack and no one cares…
The Alexandrian solution to the Gordian knot problem.
i’m all for that but they seem to lack the intestinal fortitude to do it now.
had it been left to me, he would have been kicking rocks long ago
I’m off to lunch. I’ll catch everyone later. I need something to fortify myself after the P & C act. That was one bad performance.
I was looking for an article I recently read about Iraqis sending their oil revenue out of the country instead of spending it on infrastructure (electricity, clean water etc). Didn’t find it but it looks like the Saudis may have seized control of a major pipeline.
Saudi seize control of the Iraqi export pipeline Saudi seize control of the Iraqi export pipeline
Wow…link for this?
never did like the idea of the dept. would be delighted to see it fade into a bad memory
Have you checked out ACLU’s site on the alleged abuses that have been committed lately by DHS?