Comments on: Shorter George Will: What’s The Problem With A Few Dead Union Members? http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:29:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sikovit http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379458 sikovit Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:19:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379458 <p>Sorry! My bad!</p> Sorry! My bad!

]]> By: sikovit http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379449 sikovit Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:13:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379449 <p>As a mirror of your preferences, I like socialism, heavily peppered with entrepreneurialism.</p> As a mirror of your preferences, I like socialism, heavily peppered with entrepreneurialism.

]]> By: sikovit http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379426 sikovit Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:03:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379426 <p>Here’s the good news. We know the names of all the PNAC supporters, the free-market-capitalists-at-any-cost supporters, the treasonous journalists and pundits, the coalition of the willing, (you get the idea).</p> <p>~~~<em>ModNote: Edited for content - Paragraph deleted. Suggestions of the use of violence are prohibited.</em>~~~</p> Here’s the good news. We know the names of all the PNAC supporters, the free-market-capitalists-at-any-cost supporters, the treasonous journalists and pundits, the coalition of the willing, (you get the idea).

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]]> By: Doofus http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379233 Doofus Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:09:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379233 <p><i>“Colombia’s president, Álvaro Uribe, has made stunning progress against the drug cartels, right-wing militias and FARC, the 9,000-man Marxist terrorist group that is financed by drug smuggling and kidnapping.”</i></p> <p>George Will is as ignorant as he is arrogant. And that’s saying a lot. Uribe’s “stunning progress” consists of granting virtual amnesty to the drug lords, with no threat of extradition to the United States, in return for them handing in their weapons and promising to be good boys. There’s no accountability for their murders and crimes, no real assurance that they won’t pick up where they left off. I guess this is how Members in Good Standing of the Village operate: take government-issue talking points that consist 100% of propaganda and spin, and regurgitate them as “columns” and opinion pieces in the major media organs that constitute the established corporate media served so obsequiously by these devoted courtiers. His cited statement here is utter balderdash, and yet he serves it up with condescension and a smirk. What an utterly worthless waste of valuable newspaper space.</p> “Colombia’s president, Álvaro Uribe, has made stunning progress against the drug cartels, right-wing militias and FARC, the 9,000-man Marxist terrorist group that is financed by drug smuggling and kidnapping.”

George Will is as ignorant as he is arrogant. And that’s saying a lot. Uribe’s “stunning progress” consists of granting virtual amnesty to the drug lords, with no threat of extradition to the United States, in return for them handing in their weapons and promising to be good boys. There’s no accountability for their murders and crimes, no real assurance that they won’t pick up where they left off. I guess this is how Members in Good Standing of the Village operate: take government-issue talking points that consist 100% of propaganda and spin, and regurgitate them as “columns” and opinion pieces in the major media organs that constitute the established corporate media served so obsequiously by these devoted courtiers. His cited statement here is utter balderdash, and yet he serves it up with condescension and a smirk. What an utterly worthless waste of valuable newspaper space.

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379060 Mary Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:01:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1379060 <p>hackworth - Chavez has plenty of things wrong with him. When you begin a socialization process - you take things away from people who had them. I basically likesme some capitalism, just very strongly peppered with government responsibility on social issues. </p> <p>But Chavez was involved with a failed military coup in the early 90s - that isn’t something to look to happily, although, to be fair, the guy his coup failed against was impeached later. He has had ties to leftist terrorists just as Colombia has had with rightists. Generally speaking - it’s just as nice to have people not have to worry about leftist or rightwing paramilitary gangs and thugs. </p> <p>He has been at loggerheads with Venezuela’s own unions for that matter and has made claims of fraud against their leaders and they’ve fought back, sometimes calling strikes. He’s been pro-Castro and anti-IMF (not that I have a huge problem with either of those, but they tend to get strong reactions from people who do care). He very vocally objected to Israel in the Israeli/Hezbollah-Lebanon conflict. He has pressured television stations and journalists (not that they have backed off much) and accused them of backing coups and threatened or pulled licensing. </p> <p>There is also a lot of criticism that, while he has redirected monies - he hasn’t really done it as much as should be, without corruption, etc. and there is still a chunk of anger over infrastructure requirements and the like that are still not addressed under his programs. </p> <p>No saint - lots wrong - lots of things people could be very unhappy about. OTOH, way more widely approved in Venezuela than Bush is in the US.</p> hackworth – Chavez has plenty of things wrong with him. When you begin a socialization process – you take things away from people who had them. I basically likesme some capitalism, just very strongly peppered with government responsibility on social issues.

But Chavez was involved with a failed military coup in the early 90s – that isn’t something to look to happily, although, to be fair, the guy his coup failed against was impeached later. He has had ties to leftist terrorists just as Colombia has had with rightists. Generally speaking – it’s just as nice to have people not have to worry about leftist or rightwing paramilitary gangs and thugs.

He has been at loggerheads with Venezuela’s own unions for that matter and has made claims of fraud against their leaders and they’ve fought back, sometimes calling strikes. He’s been pro-Castro and anti-IMF (not that I have a huge problem with either of those, but they tend to get strong reactions from people who do care). He very vocally objected to Israel in the Israeli/Hezbollah-Lebanon conflict. He has pressured television stations and journalists (not that they have backed off much) and accused them of backing coups and threatened or pulled licensing.

There is also a lot of criticism that, while he has redirected monies – he hasn’t really done it as much as should be, without corruption, etc. and there is still a chunk of anger over infrastructure requirements and the like that are still not addressed under his programs.

No saint – lots wrong – lots of things people could be very unhappy about. OTOH, way more widely approved in Venezuela than Bush is in the US.

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378928 merkwurdiglieber Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:18:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378928 <p>It has not been long since union members were gunned down in this country<br /> and it still happens by “soft power” methods vis fast track and other<br /> expedited trade measures… the hoover institution and aei, aka joe coors<br /> and other neocon brain trusts have taken the dialog on unions so far to<br /> the right that Will is in large company on the issue. Add in decades of<br /> democrat leadership council dealmaking and you get dead unions and dead<br /> union members as policy. Adolph Berle left the Roosevelt administration<br /> to become Nelson Rockefeller’s bright boy and crafted the plan for<br /> branding unions as “communist” to speed their demise, especially in<br /> Latin America. Nothing new, just good old jingoism at home and abroad.</p> It has not been long since union members were gunned down in this country
and it still happens by “soft power” methods vis fast track and other
expedited trade measures… the hoover institution and aei, aka joe coors
and other neocon brain trusts have taken the dialog on unions so far to
the right that Will is in large company on the issue. Add in decades of
democrat leadership council dealmaking and you get dead unions and dead
union members as policy. Adolph Berle left the Roosevelt administration
to become Nelson Rockefeller’s bright boy and crafted the plan for
branding unions as “communist” to speed their demise, especially in
Latin America. Nothing new, just good old jingoism at home and abroad.

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378856 earlofhuntingdon Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:57:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378856 <p>I guess I’m too slow to understand the relevance of being effective at fighting rampant corruption owing to the corrupt influence of drug lords and the murder rate of union members. As to the latter, anyone with the soul Mr. Will seems to claim having would use the same rule that applies to OB/GYN’s dropping babies in the OR - once is too often.</p> I guess I’m too slow to understand the relevance of being effective at fighting rampant corruption owing to the corrupt influence of drug lords and the murder rate of union members. As to the latter, anyone with the soul Mr. Will seems to claim having would use the same rule that applies to OB/GYN’s dropping babies in the OR – once is too often.

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378845 earlofhuntingdon Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:54:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378845 <p>What’s good for United Fruit is good for our top banana. Bush seems to want to encourage Colombia to have more a brutal union management regime than Andrew Carnegie utilized at Homestead, PA. Little wonder that in his political life he’s wanted to hide that that’s been his family’s take on union affairs since his ancestors rode in John D. Rockefeller’s private rail car, exchanging views on money, guns and steel.</p> What’s good for United Fruit is good for our top banana. Bush seems to want to encourage Colombia to have more a brutal union management regime than Andrew Carnegie utilized at Homestead, PA. Little wonder that in his political life he’s wanted to hide that that’s been his family’s take on union affairs since his ancestors rode in John D. Rockefeller’s private rail car, exchanging views on money, guns and steel.

]]> By: EdwardTeller http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378832 EdwardTeller Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:48:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378832 <p>If they build the current designs proposed, that will be the case. Currently, no north slope gas from Alaska leaves the north slope. They just burn it or re-inject it to increase pressure on the oil reservoirs.</p> If they build the current designs proposed, that will be the case. Currently, no north slope gas from Alaska leaves the north slope. They just burn it or re-inject it to increase pressure on the oil reservoirs.

]]> By: hackworth http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378821 hackworth Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:45:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/08/shorter-george-will-whats-the-problem-with-a-few-dead-union-members/#comment-1378821 <p>To the disdain of many Canandians, a huge amount of Canadian gas goes to the US. From what you are saying, Alaskan gas goes into the same lines and into the lower 48 states.</p> To the disdain of many Canandians, a huge amount of Canadian gas goes to the US. From what you are saying, Alaskan gas goes into the same lines and into the lower 48 states.

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