When the bloated lighter known as the Olympic Torch was in London and Paris, both cities were also host to the Official Thug Squad for the 2008 Summer Olympics: China’s secret police. This morning in San Francisco, the front page of the major paper’s web site showed the Blood Olympics Torch sandwiched between a Chinese offcial and one of the "men in blue" — putting the symbol of the Olympics between China’s senior officials and the secret police who enforce their dictatorship. Why does SF — and America — need the monsters who enforce China’s gruesome organ trade on its streets, mixing it up for tomorrow’s protests?
Within hours of the Sunday fiasco that was the London Olympic Torch relay, the BBC’s "World Today" host grilled the UK’s Olympics Minister about why UK citizens had been assaulted on the streets of London by goons in blue jumpsuits traveling with China’s Olympic Circus. He wasn’t alone — by Monday the UK Independent reported:
Shortly after Konnie Huq finished her brief leg of London’s farcical Olympic torch relay on Sunday, she called a friend on her mobile phone. "Did you see those blokes in the blue tracksuits?" the former Blue Peter presenter whispered down the line. "They were bloody aggressive, weren’t they?"
Huq had just been involved in a tussle with a protester, so it was surprising that what appeared to concern her most was the praetorian guard of Chinese officials who formed a wall around her during the short dash, rather than the demonstrator intent on wrestling the Olympic torch from her grasp.
But for any of the athletes, protesters, journalists and even police who found themselves guided, barged or fighting with this particularly committed group of Chinese minders, the identity and function of the "boys in blue tracksuits" was of paramount importance.
Little is known about the mysterious guards accompanying the flame on its "harmonious journey", apart from the fact that they are well-trained security officers under the remit of the Beijing Games co-ordinators, who have sweeping political powers in China.
OK. Now we know how the "boys in blue tracksuits" got onto London’s streets. What did they do when they were there? Well, they did what the uniformed servants of every proud imperialist nation does — they started knocking about the locals, who hadn’t even bothered to learn the occupier’s language.
And who said our disaster in Iraq isn’t a shining example to the world?
With the exquisite sensitivity customary to imperial powers, the boys in blue tracksuits even managed to assault the Chairman of the 2012 Olympic Games — which just happen to be in London. And they got him not once, but three times! That’ll show those pesky vassals:
[E]ven Lord Coe, chairman of the London Organising Committee for the 2012 games, had been manhandled by the ring of Chinese "bodyguards" protecting the torch on its journey through London. "They tried to push me out of the way three times," Lord Coe had said, according to Channel 4 News. "They are horrible. They did not speak English . . . I think they were thugs."
And that’s from the London Times. Yep, owned by the same Murdoch who eagerly courted the kleptocratic tyrants who rule China by scrubbing his satellite feeds of content that could pierce the Great Wall of Secrecy the PRC erected between the 1.3 billion Chinese they exploit and the outside world.
The Financial Times had more:
In London, it emerged that Lord Coe, chairman of the city’s Olympic committee, was inadvertently recorded by Channel 4 News accusing some of the Chinese officials providing security for the torch of being "thugs".
In comments to a colleague, he said if the organisers of the French part of the torch route do "one thing in Paris, it is to get rid of those guys. They tried to push me out of the way three times … they were thugs".
As the whole watching world knows by now, the liberty-loving citizens of Paris arose en masse to prevent their proud city from becoming the set for the PRC’s attempt to "Torchwash" their hideous human-rights record by using the Olympics as a global PR campaign. By the time three brave activists for Free Tibet unfurled their banner from the Golden Gate Bridge on a glorious spring morning in San Francisco, the PRC’s global torchwash had quenched even the IOC’s tolerance for the Butchers of Beijing.
"Using the torch this way is almost a crime. This is the property of the IOC, it is not a Chinese torch."
Only China’s modern-day emperors could make even the IOC — who followed one of Franco’s senior fascists as their own leader for twenty years — worry about their public image.
By the time the Great Olympic Torch March Forward staggered to an end in Paris, the torch had been extinguished several times, and much of the "relay" was run on buses evading citizens defying their national government’s willing complicity with Beijing’s dictators. The next stop was San Francisco — prompting the UK Independent to observe:
The tracksuited guards made their presence felt across the capital. Their behaviour has prompted many to ask whether Scotland Yard deliberately turned a blind eye to their tactics.
"Britain seems to have caved in to demands from Beijing that Chinese security agents police the streets of London," said Matt Whitticase, of Free Tibet UK. "It certainly fits in with the supine approach Britain has taken towards China over the years, compared with other nations."
Shami Chakrabati, director of the human-rights group Liberty, added: "Everyone appreciates the difficult duty of our police to hold the line between the Olympic ceremony and critics and supporters of the Chinese regime. But who were the ominous figures running in formation in light blue uniforms? Where was their lawful authority to scuffle with policemen and protesters?"
Yesterday in Paris, the flame attendants were forced to spend most of the relay on a bus. But their dubious security techniques could well be back on display tomorrow when the torch arrives in San Francisco — depending, of course, on how they are viewed by American law enforcement agencies.
Whether it was their deep and lethal hatred for democracy and the public assembly democracy requires, their incurable incomprehension of free peoples’ values, or their usual stupid and deadly combination of the two, the PRC’s leaders ensured that this morning — the day before thousands will come to SF’s streets to celebrate our freedom and demand the same for the peoples of Tibet, Darfur, Burma and China — SF woke up to see the Olympic Torch wedged between a PRC functionary and the symbol of China’s real rulers — a secret policeman.
What will we — and the rest of the world — see in our democracy tomorrow?
We here in SF know a thing or too about public protest. Actually, we know a hell of a lot. In the Bay Area, "nice" is the Official Protest Culture. Major demo organizers have learned to suspect that people who toss hard words are provocateurs, and to conclude that people who toss hard objects definitely are. In the Bay Area, the first side to get "mean" — in words, much less in images or action — loses the battle for public perception — and public support. And public support, of course, is what the Torch fiasco is all about.
WTF do I know about this? Well, the picture in my avatar above was taken when pro-choice activists in SF took the street to block the march of the "coat-hanger" people: anti-choice demonstrators bussed into SF from around the state to demand and end to women’s reproductive freedom. The picture (I’m the guy who looks like a slightly anorexic Michelin man under the "uterus" sign) was shot over the backs of the SFPD riot squad, who professionally and expertly kept both passionate sides from any direct confrontation: and that’s after we’d blocked the march route!
Having seen huge public demos — and cared for the injured at huge public demos — in D.C., Seattle, NYC, Humboldt County, L.A., and SF, I can respectfully say that on the whole the SFPD Riot Squad are damned good at doing what their jobs. Not perfect, but pretty damned good. SF’s leaders also think so — they’ve allocated over a million bucks in overtime for Wednesday. As if that weren’t enough, they’ll have the State and the Feds:
Officers from the California Highway Patrol, the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department, the U.S. State Department and other agencies also will guard the flame.
So. Through the miracle of "arbitrage", the upper 0.1% of Americans have grown immensely wealthy trading American manufacturing jobs away to China for cheap imports, toxic food, and the all-important flow of capital our wealthy poobahs require to loot our Treasury by endlessly cutting their own taxes. Through the miracle of privatization, the same upper 0.1% work to pour the last jobs in America to carry decent benefits — public-sector jobs defended by strong public-sector unions — into the greedy hands of Correctional Corporation of America, Blackwater, Halliburton, and the like. And — as we saw in Katrina, and see in Iraq, as well as in our loathsome privately owned immigration gulags — the privateers set about doing what pirates do best: terrorizing, killing, and looting.
And when even the PRC’s leaders finally introduced real legislation to protect some rights for China’s workers, who asked them to toss it in the gulag? You guessed it — the same 0.1% who depend on shafting China’s workers to keep raking in the billions from stiffing workers here at home and around the globe: the Lords of Globalization.
Now will we off-shore public safety — and our Constitution — to China’s secret police?
I’ve only been in SF five years. The SFPD has decades of experience keeping the peace at demos and marches, keeping opposing partisans apart, and preventing violence between opposing camps.
The PRC has decades of experience jailing union leaders, democracy activists, and environmental activists — as well as shooting monks, selecting prisoners to have their organs ripped out on spec, and putting on the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
So — with SF already budgeting for over a million bucks of SFPD overtime for April 9, what does SF, our besieged Constitution or the US need with China’s secret police? Don’t they have enough to do at home helping senior Army and Party officials seize peasants’ lands for private factories, shooting into crowds of monks, and forcing "re-education" meetings on Tibet?
WTF are they doing here in the U.S.? What will they "help" us with next — busting unions?
Oh yeah, I forgot: Thanks to the Lords of Globalization, they’ve already done that.
Who says we never export anything to China?
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good evening Doc!
What’s up, Doc! Were you dangling from the bridge yesterday?
Can we get rid of the Olympics now? Puhleeeeze?
Hah, the Goons could only wish…!
It is offensive to think that another country has thugs in this country to whack out citizens around. How can we possibly allow this? It’s outrageous.
The Chinese regime always wants things to be harmonious, and if you’re not harmonious they’ll beat you to a bloody pulp until you are.
The NewsHour *gasp* just had a story from independent news about the torch and the men in blue.
Kirk, Will those bluesuits have the same freedom of operation in SF that they did in Europe?
If so, make sure the lawyers get the films, make sure the bluesuits can’t make it to the Chinese embassy. Being able to try them in a US court would be wonderful.
As for the olympics, I think that it should be absolutely apolitical. But the problem is not with the demonstrators, but with the folks who made a political decision to send it to China.
I’d like to see a protest where the athletes wear Tibetian flag patches on their uniforms. And Maybe they carry a Tibetian flag as well as their own on their victory lap.
The IOC is saying they’ll stop the torch runs and just send it to the host counrty. I LIKE the torch runs, I hope they continue. They simply need to NOT select countries like China until the country can at least claim with a straight face they are respecting the olympic ideals.
Boxturtle (For the record, I think Bush disqualified us from hosting for awhile)
Boxturtle (I’m an Obama supporter, I can dream if I want to!)
This year’s olympics are all about China.
That’s the way they’ve been framed.
So, protest is appropriate.
If I could, I’d organize millions to protest peacefully the torch run in S.F. tomorrow.
We are still debating driving up tonight and making hell tomorrow :) I hope that my fellow Californians do me proud (the frnch and british have already done so) and show them a demonstration beyond demonstrations
Why?
But it is all about sports!
or I think it is somewhere under all the politics and propaganda. I’m sure I remember seeing the Olympic spirit there somewhere under all that.
For those of you in or coming to the Bay Area, here is the information for those who do not plan civil disobedience (they plan to obey all laws and protest peacefully, along the parade route):
h/t Color of Change
There are at least 2 things that bother me about the Olympics. The first is hypocrisy. Sorry. There’s so much of it, but I do draw the line somewhere.
The other is that all the atheletes who go there should be winners. On an emotional level, it really bothers me to see these superb atheletes lose. So I never watch the Olympics.
Thanks for the info, teddy. Mr wobbs has to go that route (he not a citizen and we don’t want him to lose his situation due to an arrest)
On the other hand, i’m available to raise all types of hell….hehehehehe (but I will not destroy public property but I do have a nice long range water gun)
Come on all you good FirePups support Dr Murphy in outstanding post and Digg it
Oh and he is still in his formals!!!
Why should the Olympics be apolitical? Because it’s a sporting match! This is not international diplomacy, nor should it be.
Reagan used the 1980 Olympics politically. The Soviets returned the favor in 1984. Nobody benefited, the only folks hurt were the athletes and the common folk who wanted to watch them perform. And the Soviets were still in Afganistan…bet we’re wishing they were there now!
Okay, I admit I’m a sap: I think the Olympics help bring the world closer together.
Boxturtle (And politics seems to kill just about anything worthwhile with sufficient exposure)
I was fortunate to see the torch pass through my San Diego neighborhood way back about 1984. It was just one person, running and carrying the torch, a person escorting him, and hundreds of people lining the street cheering and applauding as the torch passed. Remembering this event still gives me goose flesh for it’s symbol of inspiration.
So I can only say “GODDAMMIT” for the way the torch has been degraded this time around. GODDAMN the Chinese Government for using their secret police and assorted thugs protecting this symbol. But GODDAMN the people who snuffed out the torch in Paris, and otherwise degraded this lovely symbol.
Battered torch syndrome.
You beat me to the Digg, nahant! Wow, Digg sure is temperamental today.
the damn thugs extinguished it (5x)
I wouldn’t be surprised if, tomorrow, they cancel the outdoor ceremonies and run the torch a coupla laps around the Cow Palace, put it on a plane to Beijing and call it a day.
Apparently, the outdoor ceremonies have been cut down to fifteen minutes each, opening and closing, but the Corpo Sponsors want that as a minimum “face-time” with the torch. We’ll see how that works out for them.
It has been acting up since last week! Usually it works just fine for me yesterday it was giving me fits… I got an email saying they were working on the problem….sure… and the Pope is Catholic…
(Disclaimer I was brought up Catholic)
“Things go better with Coke” – not buying the stuff.
Hello to my new facebook friend!
The olympic games are political.
Think Jesse Owens. Mexico 1968.
China wants the games to be a political win (screw the athletes).
Americans should reject these games.
Want an athletic contest? Fine. Try the NCAA BB championship. Or some running events at UCLA, for example.
Screw China. Not the people, whom I love. But the horrible government.
Free Tibet.
Yeah, you’re a sap. (Your words, not mine.) Every international event is political. The venue is just an excuse.
And furthermore, sports aint sports anymore with performace enhancing drugs. The whole thing stinks.
1980 was Carter, not Reagan.
The olympics are by their very nature political and nationalistic – national pride and medal counts, flags flying, national anthems playing.
Also intensely corrupt.
I for one would not weep if the Olympics Games came to an end.
*shaking your hand*
I agree they’re political, certainly this year any many others. But not every year. And it’s better when they’re not.
But it wasn’t our choices that made them political, it was the IOC. Under extreme Chinese pressure.
I hate the fact that the torch was extinguished. NOT the protest tactic I’d have tried. For civil disobedience, I’d like to see the torch taken and run around the Chinese embassy by a group of folks carrying Tibetian and American flags.
Boxturtle (SF is creative, can’t wait to see what they do by following the rules)
I have a strong feeling that those in the bluesuits are carrying diplomatic passports granting them immunity from local courts. If they were carrying ordinary passports, they never would have made it out of Europe.
*waves* you did mean me, right? LOL
I guess I’ve lost my shock reflex. How sad is that? When I first read this post, I thought, yawn, what else is new. Of course our govt would allow foreign thugs to come in & push us around. Then I went to get supper & thought about it again. It would be outrageous if I hadn’t personally observed the NYC lockdown during the 04 R convention. Coulduv been Baghdad except there weren’t any tanks on the street.
some of the torch escorts got lost. watertiger found them.
From the link/quote in Dr. M’s awesome post, the longer quote reads:
In that context, I think MS Lindberg is calling the protesters criminal, not the Chinese.
The previous quote is even better. Basically “boo forkin’ hoo, this is damaging the Olympic brand, and how DARE those protesters put the torch runners in DANGER! What if the protests get WORSE?”
Uhm, right. Maybe if you took the Chinese thugs out of the equation things wouldn’t be so bad, hmmmm?
As KO says, “idiots”.
FunnyDiva
careful with the water gun wobbly. the instructions say to not bring anything that could be construed as a weapon.
In yet another cynical and shallow move, the Clintons have called for a US Presidential boycott of the opening of the Olympic Games. As if China is going to change its policy towards Tibet if Bush does not attend the opening games. Whatever hope there is for China to change its policy towards Tibet does not rest on the Bushes or the Clintons. One may fairly assume that the Clintons do not have business deals pending or planned in China, unlike Columbia, etc.
These Chinese fucks will make Blackwater look like girl scouts.
Yes.
Oooh, Teddy, is the Cow Palace still there? I assumed it was turned into condos or something years and years ago!
FunnyD
It doesn’t look like a gun, rather a banana :)
((Loo Hoo))
bones for the Loo Hoo’s pups
General Odom and Fred Kagan on the NewsHour to discuss today’s Petraeus and Crocker hearings. *sigh*
I have always seen the idea of the Olympics to be what the world could be like without war. People are inherently competitive and sports is a lot better way for it to be expressed than these religious wars.
Thanks, wb.
I really liked the signs up on the Golden Gate yesterday. I admire people who do that sort of thing! Freewayblogger inspired, but to the 10th power.
Agreed. I love the Olympics, feel they are a net positive for increased world understanding. I regret they are being politicized both by the host and by those who don’t like the host.
Fred Kagan is a total and complete idiot. Nobody should take his opinion seriously about anything. He just confabulates. But beyond this, why can’t the NewsHour get a progressive on, you know someone who was right about Iraq and not someone who has been consistently wrong about everything to do with Iraq for more than 5 years.
well, that should be fun then.
Well, you know what Roseann Roseanna Danna would say. . .
We’re still debating but I wouldlove to join the folks protesting.
me too. If I could do that, I think I would (but I can’t propel worth a damn)
Gilda at the Olympics
Dayam, y’all are quick.
Hi pups – thanks for your interest and support.
And if you have a chance and are so moved, the StudentsForFreeTIbet web site has a linky where you can contribute to bail and legal support for the seven folks arrested in the GGB bridge action. CA is trying to charge them criminal conspiracy (a crock) but support will help a lot!
I wont be watching. Boycott is in order.
It’s has become all about the self-promotion of a country that commits grievous human rights abuses, practices massive censorship, is destroying Tibetan culture, supports the Sudanese government, support a brutal dictatorship in Burma, and causes environmental degradation on a massive scale.
What a waste of resources – in a time of climate crisis – hauling a giant lighter around the globe. For what? A little symbolism? Give me a break.
Shame on China.
Thinkprogress picks out something on topic from Perino
It’s pretty vague, and I’m really surprised, because W rarely changes his mind, especially when under pressure.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..-ceremony/
Ditto.
d r i f t g l a s s:
China is the greatest mass murdering nation in history. They give a flying fuck about a boycott.
Cultercide, a word you may find helpful in the future.
Make that culturecide. It’s also what the U.S. is doing in Iraq. Remember the musuem?
Raven, I sure agree China is indifferent to a boycott. The megacorps supporting the Games (and the bloated lighter tour) sure aren’t – the Interfor article (accessed via yahoo) in my Saturday post about this describes the sponsors’ vulnerability in detail.
McDonald’s and Coca-Cola (the latter proud sponsors of murdering union activists, as well) are two big targets…
The 2008 olympics are going to self-destruct.
Not just because of Tibet but because of toxic air and other problems.
The U.S. media will sugar-coat and feed it to the American People.
But it will be a pile of dung.
Because it’s political.
OMGosh, I think they would be seriously hurt by a boycott. They have spent a fortune getting ready for the Olympics, and if there were a serious threat of a total boycott, I’ll bet they’d get over Tibet in a hurry. (but only temporarily)
Yea, that was a doozie of a post! I’m just grumpy.
It’s not like they are making dough from ticket sales.
((( Kirk )))
I agree with you … as an aside, the Olympic Committee who came to Toronto said this was the best place for the 2008 Olympics, then they went back to the head honchos and voila … China won the bid …
Would we be demonstrating against the Olympics if they were being held in the US? Isn’t our government involved in the abuse of human rights, don’t we torture (legally according to a SF professor at Boalt, John Loo), what about renditions, NSA warrantless wiretaps, someone already mentioned the R convention in New York?
China is not unlike the US as far as human rights and workers rights in the early 1900s and she is, after all, an emerging economy — and NOT the US where we see daily assaults on human and workers’ rights and union activities.
I don’t get it. We have a lot of problems here — and we’re not getting the straight story on Tibet. That’s China’s fault and of course our press. They are as wrong about Tibet as they have been about everything else we’ve heard from them on Iraq/Iran. Why would any of us imagine that they are capable of telling the truth about China or that they even know?
When I was there in 2001, they had just planted a double row of ginko trees on both sides of the highway from the AP to Bejing. The newly planted trees were somewhere between 20-30′ tall, and each one would have cost over $100 (maybe a lot more) in a nursery here. And there were hundreds of them. A minor example to be sure, but a very visual one. It was all part of the Olympics bid.
When the torch got put out it should have been the end of the journey, IIRC, the torch being put out is , or was, a very serious thing.
All it is now is a giant McOlympics commercial.
Thanks Raven I just loved Gilda…
FREE TIBET… Dam that Chinese government… they suck the big one!!
Hey Kirk, fine thread once again.
I was wondering, in late night of yonder, if you were hanging around?
This torch run is all about the big corps behind them. They were mightily pissed off about the short exposure they got on tv. Protest is good…
And the goons, wether they are the chinese fucks who protect the flame, or the policemen assaulting protesters are out of their minds. Saw a london bobbie tackle a unicyclist from behind, because he was carrying a Tibetan flag. Who the fuck tackles a unicyclist??? Not a rethorical question…
Stay safe tomorrow, and ask those goons if Blackwater pays well.
they are the Blackwater franchise from Peijing
what is the alternative? the gov’t isn’t going to and can’t say shit given its own actions but i, as a private citizen, can join my shout with others and send that message around the world. as for our gov’, can’t do much until the admin changes
Us Canucks can’t be there in your protest, is there a write in to Coca Cola, McD and other Corporations … let’s start a boycott of their products unless they pressure China to let Tibet be free … they only worship The Almighty Dollar.
China’s Gov’t is killing Monks and accusing them of violence ? What insanity !
They have spent a fortune building hotels, cleaning up the place, educating locals (even not to spit in public) and fixing the signs so they are in proper English. Huge amounts of money on transportation systems. They’re also hoping to sell lots of swank condos to visitors.
Raven, I think I found one that would be right up your alley.
This is a really good point. Should the citizens of China have to suffer for what their government has done? Are we responsible for Guantanamo etc?
I must get to China…
primrose, the fundamental aspect of universal human rights is indeed that they are universal – and china signed (but did not ratify) more than one UN treaty re the same.
We may (and indeed should) decry the hideous human rights record of China’s PRC leaders (and the corrupt and murderous PLA), the hideous atrocities of the Bush Reich, and the genocidal history of North America – as well as decrying the current genocides perpertated and/or abetted by China in Tibet and Darfur – as well as China’s imperial atrocities in Burma.
Here in SF, the same folks who came out March 19th to decry the Bush Reich’s crimes in Iraq are even now marching against China’s rulers murderous suppression of their own and other peoples.
Come, join us in asserting that everyone, rich or poor, deserves universal human rights and the basic freedoms to worship and assemble and speak – adn to demand a living wage for their work and freedom from internal or external oppression.
Take some spare lungs, the level of pollution is obscene …
I know that SF will make us proud tomorrow. I’m too old to demonstrate but I will be with you in spirit.
Do our best to honor the games in the spirit of cooperation and keep the politics out of it.
Demonstrate for our own human rights, and habeus corpus, and an end to the signing statements and campaign finance reform and all of the other issues that plague our democracy or that’s turning it away from democracy and into Capitalism Gone Wild.
The Chinese people see this as massive hypocrisy, which it is, and very insulting, which it is. These demonstrations are not going to change a thing except the way ordinary Chinese people feel about the rest of the world. They are in the dark about their government, much as 80% of the American public was when we went to war with Iraq.
There are other ways to help China to change — these demonstrations are an affront to ordinary citizens and they are helpless to understand what all of the hostility is about.
Let’s fix us first.
I read an article today saying the Roots is really glad they are no longer involved – they used to supply clothing for the Canadian team.
I was in China shortly before the T-square event and was amazed at the people. They actually knew quite a lot and would stop us on the street and say “let’s talk about democracy” – we would sit down on park benches and just chat with them. They were pretty well informed and so anxious to learn what it was like to be free.
The PRC leaders and the PLA form the world’s largest single kleptocracy – a vast Mafia cynically stealing land from peasants and city folk alike for the (privately) owned factories of the military and party bosses – then using state power (and state executions and prisons) to detain or even murder anyoe who opposes them.
Even with that awesome force, last year the people of China held thousands of spontaneous demonstrations agaist the tyrants who misrule them and 1.3 billion other chinese.
This will come as a shock to those still limping through life with Marxist ideology – and to those who buy the cynical and callos view that people in developing countries are less deservig of universal human rights than are people in developed democracies.
TO them:
Wake up and smell the carnage:
We all deserve universal human rights.
If Beijing doesn’t like it, tough shit.
Kirk, if the relay is cancelled, will there still be a large protest ?
My feeling is, the protests should go on everywhere, even if there is no relay …
Petro, there will be huge protests whether the rally is cancelled or not.
China’s PR bosses thought they coulod spin the world – as they learned in London, Paris, and will learn in SF – the world will spin them.
The great Torchwashing has failed: and the real spotlight will be on the PRC and her servants from now through the games.
It was a group trip, the only one I’ve ever taken, with economists. I was disappointed with the level people we met with on the non-sightseeing days-not very important or very insightful. (Think W spokespeople.) There was a funny incident though. In Chongching (the first non-coastal area the regime was opening up to econ development) we met with a kind of chamber of commerce group. One of them remarked that they paid attention to U.S. prez elections while we knew nothing about Chinese elections. I piped up from the third row: if yours were as close as ours, we’d pay attention too. They either didn’t hear me or ignored me, bu I got a couple of heh-hehs from those sitting nearby.
Let me see if I have this right. In the last couple of days, an Irish peace activist scheduled to make a speech in the U.S. is refused entry at O’Hare airport and sent on his way back to the ould sod. (Don’t remember his name, sorry, but it was very recent.)
And China’s secret police are allowed to run riot in the streets of Europe and presumably allowed to enter a U.S. city? Something is very wrong with this picture.
Excellent !!!
I’ll be right there beside you all the way, Bro !
Certainly everyone deserves human rights. But looking at this from the outside the US, the sight of Americans lecturing other countries about human rights has a wee whiff of hypocrisy about it.
Hmm. How do China’s people view their workers’ paradise?
you misinterpret my motives or assume more than you know if I fall into the category of those who believe “people in developing countries are less deserving of universal human rights” than we or other 1st world or 2nd world or even 3rd world countries. And since you’ve mentioned it twice in your responses to me, I’ll take umbrage here.
My point of view comes from an intimate knowledge of Chinese scholars who are studying here and in Europe. They are offended and I agree with them that they should be.
Their own point of view is that they have problems which must be addressed and WE have problems which must be addressed. These demonstrations are are on a par with what Bush does all the time, which is to accuse his adversaries of exactly the same crimes of which he and his administration are guilty.
So, the Chinese students are not taking these issues seriously — they believe they are trumped up charges which are aided and abetted by the US Press to take America’s collective mind off our lose of face in Iraq and all of the other problems we face.
But, and this is big, their feelings are being hurt daily. And they WILL take that back home with them. There are yet to be known unintended consequences for our attempts at humiliation.
I think that China passed from communist dictatorship to fascist dictatorship without blinking. The only way you can tell the difference is that “capitalist” countries now do business with the fascist dictatorship. With the communist one, not so much.
I’m not sure I fully understand your point. Are you saying that the Chinese students you know think that the U.S. political problems are the same as theirs in China, and thus criticisms from the U.S. are hypocritical?
We’ll live, Fern.
Better use the voices and privilege and leverage I have now than hold back and neglect some humans’ rights – some 1.3 billion humans’ rights – out of fear of the pearl-clutchers’ concerns.
And – as you may have missed when you raised the same point here Saturday – here in SF, the same folks who bottom-lined the March 19 protests against US war crimes and imperialism in Iraq are bottom-lining the April 9 protests.
I trust those in and outside the US – especially inthose in lands without any history of human rights crimes or impression of indigenous peoples – have and will be raising their voices to condemn China and the US.
Just one question – where is that land?
Oh – make that two questions – if we all wait until we are in the ideal place to call for universal human rights – who then will ever be sufficiently non-hypocritical to start the work.
Once again, thanks for the benefit of addressing such sincere concerns.
They’re acting like Repugs, who always blame everyone. Let them fix the crap that is happening in their country. The folks in the states will take care of fixing theirs, and they’ll do it much faster that your erudite friends.
I do indeed understand your sentiment here, however the current governments of China and the United States, thanks to the evil mechanisms of “globalization” (as it has played out), are inextricably woven together in their animosity toward basic human rights.
The same forces which “outsource” all decent jobs to places like China — where they can *literally* use slave labor to drive the wages of all workers around the world into the basement, and where they can ignore fundamental environmental regulations (much less consumer protections in the products they produce) — are the forces we fight here at home.
The global elites *everywhere* are united in their war on human decency for the sake of greed. Whether Chinese or American, the greedheads and power-mongers around the world are welded together in a sleazy dance of destruction — the destruction of human dignity, the destruction of our precious planet.
In that context, protesting against one branch of the elite is no different from protesting any other branch.
Our understanding of the global struggle as it develops must include fundamental labor and civil rights across national boundaries. Labor organizations will need, increasingly, to reach across borders to fight the common enemy of greed, avarice, and totalitarianism in all its diverse ugly faces.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Chinese dissidents (were they to learn of the protests) would approve of peaceful civil disobedience against their regime’s propaganda machine.
Kirk — thank you so much for this post! [And for all your writings here…]
I forgot to mention — my first role model in understanding these issues of global injustice is a lady who fought valiantly for international justice a good few decades ago, long before the “outsourcing” and “globalization” trends were even on the horizon:
Eleanor Roosevelt.
There is still so much to learn and draw from, and to be inspired by, in her life’s work.
how could china be that incredibly stupid to fan the flames just before the olympics ? maybe they just needed away to pump up there own population with nationalism. Those thugs in blue are so offensive, i can’t believe they are here.
Primrose – surely these friends of yours must realize that we live in a country where we can protest – most of the time – without going to jail for long periods of time or forever. There is vast difference between our hypocrisy and that of China.
Primrose, I don’t know you from the garden path, so I’ve no knowledge of you.
I was referring – accurately as it turns out – to privileged PRC citizens whose travels are paid for by the PRC government and whose public actions are subject to sanctions from the same government.
I could give a flying jump if I’ve offended them. I didn’t give a flying jump if I offended supporters of the Shah’s SAVAK when they came to UCSB in the early 80’s – nor did I give a shit if I offended the tender sensiblities of the privilieged Latin American students I met in college and med school who told me how killing nuns to defeat Communism was a good thing.
Tyrannies all have their willing accomplices, and their willing servants. Pray to Goddess I don’t pass a day without offending every one of these sorry bastards I meet.
Rockin’ post, Dr. Kirk. Thank you. I’d missed a lot of this due to traveling in a bubble for the last number of days…
It’s been a long time ago now, but I lived with Chinese scholars (and others) in a communal academic residence when I lived in Europe.
Do you believe “Chinese scholars” represent a single, monolithic unit with merely one viewpoint on the situation?
Folks, thanks for all your discussion here. I apprecaite that so many here care about human rights and how to est work for them.
I hope all here work in whatever way they see best to ensure all people on this sorry planet – even the tyrants and their servants – enjoy universal human rights and human freedoms.
Though my strong preference is for the tyrants, human rights criminals, and their senior servants to enjoy such tender niceties at the International Court of Human Rights.
May they find Bush, Cheney, Rice, Addiington, and Yoo there soon.
In solidarity and freedom!
And now off to the Rally For Freedom downtown.
Happy liberties to all.
It’s all good and well for we morally superior beings to want to toss thousands of years of athletic tradition in the trashbin. Political battles never go away. The players just change. Century after century.
But, thousands of young men and women (and boys and girls) who play sports that don’t get televised on prime time for big bucks dream of competing in the Olympics. Still. I have a niece–15–a potentially great competitive swimmer. Don’t tell her that the women’s NCAA’s are the pinnacle. She’s aiming for 2012.
WRT hypocrisy, I love it when foreigners criticize the U.S. Wish they would do it more. I don’t care what their own probs are; they are helping me try to solve ours.
New Twist On Winger Logic: Olympic Athletes, Fans and Muckety-Mucks can breathe the pollution over there so we don’t have to breathe it here. (Not until it blows this way, of course.)
Great post, Doc! I wished I could see your avatar better, but I did get a pretty good idea from your description of it. You were standing under the uterus? LOL! Hysterical.
I wonder if the neocons of America and across this planet are understanding that it’s the liberals, democrats, progressives, and rational peace-loving individuals who are protesting the Commies in China right now?
I respectfully disagree, if that was the world mantra, the french would have never helped us during the revolutionary war (they had their own issues with England). It can’t always be take care of our own first and then help the world. We will never be perfect and if we are waiting to be perfect before we help others, it will never happen
FWIW, Kirk, if the Shah’s SAVAK came to UCSB, it would have been in the mid to late 70s as he was deposed by I believe ‘79. Think the storming of the embassy time period.
The olympics are political have always been (east vs west) (democracies vs dictatorships) etc. That has not changed and China is not doing this for its citizens rather, as been already noted, as a PR campaign with the end being money
I take it that was snark?
Nope. Meant it.
It’s allowed Twain because George Bush is in charge. See?
Agreed.
Dictatorships (of all stripes) are always eager for PR opportunities to give them a fake sheen of “respectability.” I think that this element is AT LEAST as important as money, if not more so, to the PRC masters.
yep. can’t imagine this under any other prez. makes me want to cry.
Apparently, it’s okay to have illegals into our country who push our citizens around. Where is the outrage from the right wingers of our nation? Oh that’s right! They don’t care. Spit.
Imagine the potential organ-trading business as well. The potentates may need some spare parts while they are there. The market takes care of itself. /s
Always late to the party (grrrrrrr)
Kirk or anyone else in SF or the Bay Area …
Email from Ashley Morris, Organizing Fellow, ACLU of Northern California
Wish I could be there
excellent post, kirk. thank you
Excellent post, Kirk, thank you so much.
The Torch Relay has been political since it was invented for the modern Olympic games by Joseph Goebbels in 1936, to calibrate the Third Reich with the Olympic ideal.
Saying that the Games should not be political is not the same as saying the Torch Relay is not political. The Relay has always been political.
And the fact is that Jack Rogge and the IOC specifically accepted China as Olympic host FOR POLITICAL REASONS. China wanted to use the games to show how advanced they were, that they were no longer a “developing nation”. They thought the games would bring about greater prestige to the Chinese in the eyes of the world.
Rogge thought that they could use the games as political leverage to moderate some of the more extreme activities in China.
Both miscalculated. China instead clamped down on freedom of expression and has become even more repressive in the run-up to the games, instread of liberalizing. Thus Rogge and the IOC has utterly failed. To the party a successful games simply means showing off it’s indistrial capabilities and ability to control its population. In a sense this very much mirrors the Nazi games of 1936.
But the torch relay has allowed the outside world to embarass China for not undertaking the political acts expected of it when it was awarded the Olympics. It will not allow China to use the games politically to conceal its repressive activities. And now they are caught in a bind…because if they cancel future legs of the relay and bring the torch immediately to China they will have “lost”. Yet if they continue, so will the demonstrations, and the thugs will continue to demonstrate the true face of China to political expression.
Sadly, at some point someone will get seriously injured by these blue bullies. Then they, not the torch, will become the focus of peoples venting. Maybe that is as it should be. My fear is some fanatic will do something stupid like throwing flammables on the innocent folks running the relay or the thugs in blue. This folks are awfully exposed…and they really think that they can do this relay in India and through SE Asia?
Hey folks -
so great be outside at the rally last night. Desmond Tutu’s joy was just infectious.
He thanked the demonstrators for their work – and recalled that initernational boycotts and pressure is what ultimately led his nation, South Africa, to freedom,
For those coming today:
We’re assembling initially at Ferry Park (by the Ferry Bldg near where Market street meets the bay at Embarcadero).
We fuly expect that – through the IOC and Gavin – the PRC’s supporters will display their sad lackof comprehension of democracy by just happening to line up along the “secret” torch route.
And we’ll find a way to be seen and heard. Cream rises – as does freedom.
There will be a large March On The TOrch along the Embarcadero – all negotiated by Supervisor Chris Daly, so it will be quite safe.
TO follow events in SF (especailly if you’re coming), use the text messaging newsservice below).
Have fun – and if you’re coming to SF, welcome. I plan to start my day down at the Park, and have no idea whee we’ll all end up.
Hope to see you there.
Wed, April 9, 2008
1pm torch relay starts
Tibet supporters meet – 10am – meet up at Ferry Park
Burmese monks will be meeting at the Golden Gate bridge- wear red in solidarity
TEXT: “sftorch” (no quotes) to 41411 to get updated route and event
information on the day
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Nude Torch Run – San Francisco – April 9
12:30 pm sharp near the front of Tacqueria Pancho Villa
Pier 1, the Embarcadero
the next building north of the Ferry Building
Look for torch(es) labeled “Human Rights”
After the Official Run passes (estimate 1:10 pm), we will jog/walk fast to Bay/Embarcadero. When the Official Torch Run returns from the Marina District, we will follow the Official Run to the closing ceremony at Justin Herman Plaza. I estimate the total distance at a little over one mile.
George Davis – the “naked yoga guy” – coordinator of torch run (415) 722-2968
Oh – and those secret police in blue tracksuits surrounding the torch?
Australia’s Prime Minister already banned them from his nation’s streets.
Today we’ll have the FBI and the SFPD guarding the torch. I wonder if Mayor Newsom and President Bush have as much confidence in America’s public safety officers as the PM of Australia has in his nation’s?
Guess we’ll find out.
Namaste.
Oh – and our mod Suz deserves all praise for the followig pick-up:
The secret police in blue tracksuits?
They’re the elite graduates from the China police academy – their classmates kill to keep the PRC’s leaders on top, and ordinary people down.
Yet another export from China we can do without.