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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1376094</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree. After all her mistakes and lies, how can anyone support Hillary? but the PA primary won’t be unanimous and she might even win. Supposedly 30% of Americans think the decider has done a good job of deciding. It’s enough to make one lose faith in democracy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW what’s a ”concern troll”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. After all her mistakes and lies, how can anyone support Hillary? but the PA primary won’t be unanimous and she might even win. Supposedly 30% of Americans think the decider has done a good job of deciding. It’s enough to make one lose faith in democracy.</p>
<p>BTW what’s a ”concern troll”?</p>
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		<title>By: nogowar</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1376071</link>
		<dc:creator>nogowar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Penn with a conflict of interest with HRC positions?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ezraklein.typepad.com/Bursoncache.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ezraklein.typepad.com/Bursoncache.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penn with a conflict of interest with HRC positions?<br />
<a href="http://ezraklein.typepad.com/Bursoncache.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://ezraklein.typepad.com/Bursoncache.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: RedHen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375494</link>
		<dc:creator>RedHen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jettisoning Penn so he can devote all his time to consulting for union&lt;br /&gt;
busting corporations and anti-labor governments is a blatant attempt to secure the endorsement of the Steelworkers and Mine Workers - a necessity if she hopes to win Pennsylvania.   Hopefully those unions will not forget who Clinton was associated with last week.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jettisoning Penn so he can devote all his time to consulting for union<br />
busting corporations and anti-labor governments is a blatant attempt to secure the endorsement of the Steelworkers and Mine Workers &#8211; a necessity if she hopes to win Pennsylvania.   Hopefully those unions will not forget who Clinton was associated with last week.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375385</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Off topic - HOW ABOUT THEM STANFORD WOMEN? Go home, UConn.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic &#8211; HOW ABOUT THEM STANFORD WOMEN? Go home, UConn.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375365</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lol, you’re right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and i just can’t see any of these moves (by either candidate) w/o thinking “hmmm, i wonder what is really going on?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, you’re right.</p>
<p>and i just can’t see any of these moves (by either candidate) w/o thinking “hmmm, i wonder what is really going on?”</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375360</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nope. imo, larry’s jumped the shark.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and AC, i’m no fan of clinton’s either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i am, however, a big fan of commenters here - including those who support either or neither of the dem candidates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope. imo, larry’s jumped the shark.</p>
<p>and AC, i’m no fan of clinton’s either.</p>
<p>i am, however, a big fan of commenters here &#8211; including those who support either or neither of the dem candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375359</link>
		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree.  And I think not only have we had quite enough of THAT, but I THINK Obama will chose according to policy and competence.&lt;br /&gt;
I may be wrong regarding Obama.  I am quite sure I am NOT wrong regarding Clinton.&lt;br /&gt;
:)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  And I think not only have we had quite enough of THAT, but I THINK Obama will chose according to policy and competence.<br />
I may be wrong regarding Obama.  I am quite sure I am NOT wrong regarding Clinton.<br />
:)</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Persistent is the nice way to put it. more accurate would be pig headed, stubborn,… :-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;really, though, it’s my responsibility to dig if i want answers to my own questions. wasn’t trying to give you a hard time…. just curious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Persistent is the nice way to put it. more accurate would be pig headed, stubborn,… :-)</p>
<p>really, though, it’s my responsibility to dig if i want answers to my own questions. wasn’t trying to give you a hard time…. just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375356</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now that Penn is “withdrawn” (anyone ever told Hillary that method’s efficacy is uh…&lt;em&gt;oh, nevermind&lt;/em&gt;)…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who else from the global perception control mafia is on the payroll for Clinton, Obama, and McCain?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Glad to see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Penn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Penn&lt;/a&gt; out the symbolic door….but the decision to keep his polling firm &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates&lt;/a&gt; on just seems like the campaign wants to keep bleeding credibility.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Penn’s a busy little tapeworm - in addition to heading up his own firm, he also heads up the aptly named &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;B-M&lt;/a&gt;.  And B-M and PSB, in turn, are owned by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPP_Group&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WPP&lt;/a&gt; - one of the planet’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q2/wpp.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two largest&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strike&gt;manipulator of public perceptions for the benefit of the upper 0.1%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/strike&gt;….. - er - corporate and political PR firms.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WPP - aka &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q2/wpp.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;World Propaganda Power&lt;/a&gt; - is quite the nasty octopus…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A perfect fit for:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Penn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Penn:&lt;/a&gt;  clients include Uribe’s right-wing repressive regime, Shell Oil, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._Tuna_Foundation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US Tuna Foundation&lt;/a&gt; (bye, Flipper - hello, mercury).  Oh, and of course, Phillip Morris and the nuke industry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;B-M: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clients include&lt;/a&gt; Blackwater,  Entergy (Indian Point nuke plant - bye, Long Island), Iraqi National Congress, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller_and_global_warming&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Big Carbon&lt;/a&gt; (bye, ecosphere) - oh, and of course, Philip Morris.  Methods include &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q3/kab.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;greenwash&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller&amp;action=edit&amp;section=9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fake news&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PSB: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clients include&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Venezeulan oligarchs&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;strike&gt;bye, poor brown people&lt;/strike&gt; - oops, not so much!), Bloomberg, AT&amp;T (bye, Fourth Amendment), Coca-Cola (bye, teeth and unions), Berlusconi (hello Il Duce), and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cropchoice.com/leadstryd8ac.html?recid=169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Novartis&lt;/a&gt; (bye-bye baby… food without GMO’s..hello corn with GMO’s)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Along with the rest of the octopus WPP”s clients, Novartis &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cropchoice.com/leadstryd8ac.html?recid=169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;needs the spin&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Novartis sells American farmers GMO seed; but it will not buy its own products. Last month the company announced that it has banned GMOs from the foods it makes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Penn will fit right in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that Penn is “withdrawn” (anyone ever told Hillary that method’s efficacy is uh…<em>oh, nevermind</em>)…</p>
<p>Who else from the global perception control mafia is on the payroll for Clinton, Obama, and McCain?</p>
<p>Glad to see <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Penn" rel="nofollow">Mark Penn</a> out the symbolic door….but the decision to keep his polling firm <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates" rel="nofollow">Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates</a> on just seems like the campaign wants to keep bleeding credibility.</p>
<p>Penn’s a busy little tapeworm &#8211; in addition to heading up his own firm, he also heads up the aptly named <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller" rel="nofollow">B-M</a>.  And B-M and PSB, in turn, are owned by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPP_Group" rel="nofollow">WPP</a> &#8211; one of the planet’s <a href="http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q2/wpp.html" rel="nofollow">two largest</a> <strike>manipulator of public perceptions for the benefit of the upper 0.1%<br />
</strike>….. &#8211; er &#8211; corporate and political PR firms.</p>
<p>WPP &#8211; aka <a href="http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q2/wpp.html" rel="nofollow">World Propaganda Power</a> &#8211; is quite the nasty octopus…</p>
<p>A perfect fit for:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Penn" rel="nofollow">Penn:</a>  clients include Uribe’s right-wing repressive regime, Shell Oil, <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._Tuna_Foundation" rel="nofollow">US Tuna Foundation</a> (bye, Flipper &#8211; hello, mercury).  Oh, and of course, Phillip Morris and the nuke industry.</p>
<p>B-M: <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller" rel="nofollow">clients include</a> Blackwater,  Entergy (Indian Point nuke plant &#8211; bye, Long Island), Iraqi National Congress, <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller_and_global_warming" rel="nofollow">Big Carbon</a> (bye, ecosphere) &#8211; oh, and of course, Philip Morris.  Methods include <a href="http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q3/kab.html" rel="nofollow">greenwash</a> and <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller&amp;action=edit&amp;section=9" rel="nofollow">fake news</a>.</p>
<p>PSB: <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates" rel="nofollow">clients include</a> <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" rel="nofollow">Venezeulan oligarchs</a> (<strike>bye, poor brown people</strike> &#8211; oops, not so much!), Bloomberg, AT&amp;T (bye, Fourth Amendment), Coca-Cola (bye, teeth and unions), Berlusconi (hello Il Duce), and <a href="http://www.cropchoice.com/leadstryd8ac.html?recid=169" rel="nofollow">Novartis</a> (bye-bye baby… food without GMO’s..hello corn with GMO’s)</p>
<p>Along with the rest of the octopus WPP”s clients, Novartis <a href="http://www.cropchoice.com/leadstryd8ac.html?recid=169" rel="nofollow">needs the spin</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p> Novartis sells American farmers GMO seed; but it will not buy its own products. Last month the company announced that it has banned GMOs from the foods it makes.</p>
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<p>Penn will fit right in.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-out/#comment-1375354</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My guess is she will pick a team based primarily on loyalty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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