A word economists love to throw around is productivity. The most important thing, we're told, is to increase productivity. The more we can produce, the more productive we are, the richer our society will be. And before there can be increases in real wages, there must be increases in productivity. If there isn't more stuff to go around, then, on average, we just can't have more stuff.
Yet, for 30 years, the US economy's productivity has continued to grow, and the average American hasn't had much of a pay raise, if any. The reason lies in the difference between productivity and surplus, and in the key observation is that it doesn't just matter how big the pie is, it matters how much of the pie you're getting. Let's explore this with a simple model.
Let’s take a really simple model. You’ve got one hundred workers working in your economy. The first year they cost $10/hour and produce $18 worth of goods an hour. If we take productivity to be value/time - their productivity is $18. Note that productivity in this model isn't related to pay rates.
Next year they’re producing $27 worth of goods and being paid $11. Their productivity has gone up 50% (27/18), but the surplus you’re getting from them has gone up 100% 16/8) and in absolute terms it’s gone from $8/hour to $16 hour. That’s $16/hour more in the owner’s hands.
Where that surplus goes is an important question. The owner could use it to increase his employees’ wages and benefits - thus reducing the surplus and making his employees better off. That’s the European solution and is one of the causes of so called “Eurosclerosis” - increases in productivity for much of the last 30 years have gone to those already employed much more than in the US.
You can hire new employees and try to make even more money. America did that during the 80’s and 90’s while Europe was increasing wages and benefits instead.
You can spend it on consumption - buy that yacht, or jewelry or expensive holiday you want. That’s another part of what the US has done and is why luxury retailers have done very well this last decade.
You can invest it in capital infrastructure. With better tools and methods your worker may improve his productivity even more and you might make even more money and more of a surplus.
You can invest it in the secondary security market or real estate and try and make returns that way. If everyone is doing this security prices go up relative to return and you might have a bubble. The US did this too.
Now what would happen if instead wages went up to $22 while productivity went up to $27? Well - productivity has increased - the worker is more productive, again by 50% - but the surplus has actually gone down by about 30% - and in absolute terms the employer has $2 less surplus an hour to spend. He’s probably not going to be hiring a new worker, increasing his spending on luxury goods, investing in capital or the secondary capital market.
But that money has gone somewhere. It’s gone to the workers. They are most likely to spend it on consumption - on buying goods. But they might save it, making it available for the owner to borrow to spend trying to increase productivity. However the key point is that there isn’t less money in the economy - there is still the same amount of money - it’s just that it’s going to someone different.
As noted, this is a very simplified model. Still, it illustrates some basic things about productivity and about surplus. Remember profit = surplus and when productivity goes up if wages and other costs remain constant, profit goes up. In the most recent period of productivity gain that’s pretty much what has happened - gains in productivity have gone to profits and to senior management - not to workers.
When this happens there are simple consequences. Demand for general goods doesn't rise as fast as it would otherwise, or if it does it is driven by debt, not by earnings. Since the rich spend more of their money on investment goods than real goods you get asset bubbles, whether in stocks, bonds, real estate or commodities. Money is power and if it pools in a few hands those people can use it very effectively to buy power, whereas when spread out it has less effect. Plutocracies tend to purchase their own continuation.
The structure of US markets is thus, in large part, a consequence of how productivity gains have been divided up. By giving them to people other than workers - to corporations and to the rich - the US has chosen a lower demand path which has pushed money into assets and thus into bubbles. As it has concentrated money, so it has concentrated power in the hands of the few.
Increasing productivity is like baking a bigger pie. It's who eats it that matters.
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Ian! (And a place for everyone at the table.)
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How’s it goin’, eh ?
Another excellent post, Ian!
What Laura said!
I loved the Gretzky and Oiler comment from Chafee…! ;-)
I choose this selection!
“You can invest it in capital infrastructure. With better tools and methods your worker may improve his productivity even more and you might make even more money and more of a surplus.”
So if American knew which companies pay their employees well, and kept CEO salaries reasonable, and supported only those companies, we could turn this ship around?
I choose this one too!
“The owner could use it to increase his employees’ wages and benefits - thus reducing the surplus and making his employees better off. That’s the European solution and is one of the causes of so called “Eurosclerosis” - increases in productivity for much of the last 30 years have gone to those already employed much more than in the US.”
It was all I could do to hold back from commenting further on the Glory Days of Hockey in Edmonton … *g*
Those were the days…! *g*
Yep, I read your blog as well, nicely done !!!
Oh and sorry for beating up on your BoSox … *g*
Thanx and 8-P
Michael Dell thinks you are a radical numbnutz. He sold us on this concept in the mid-nineties. Sometime we’ll have to talk about how that worked out for most of us! It was a nice ride for a while, there actually were free lunches, while Michael, borg-like absorbed all of the independent shoestring operations in Austin (It’s good to have rich parents!) But some people simply know they are worth billions a year, but most of the others that actually do the work-not so much… After all it’s the
AmericanRobber Baron way.Demand for general goods doesn’t rise as fast as it would otherwise, or if it does it is driven by debt, not by earnings.
Thanks for the Saturday Seminars Ian. I’m paying attention and I’m trying to learn stuff I didn’t while I was focusing on day to day family issues. Maybe, in my own way I was learning, but your posts are greatly appreciated in the here and now.
Can you explain more about demand being driven by debt, please?
Ian, in another great post, this is my fav line … Increasing productivity is like baking a bigger pie. It’s who eats it that matters.
That, in a nutshell, is the problem and the travesty of our current economic regime…! 8-(
“Plutocracies tend to purchase their own continuation.” True but to hear the GOP tell it they are all self made millionaires. They make their money with old boy network insider information and government contracts.
They hate government regulation of how they make money like those pesky rules about not using downer cows in hamburger. But they scream when Bear Stearns needs help.
Real self made men care about helping the poor and or vote Dem, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs.
The GOP has old money, government contact money, and screw the poor new money.
Most productivity comes from the substitution of capital for labor, so the benefits accrue to capital, i.e., corporate profits. That is what has been observed. The false idea that labor productivity accrues to labor comes from the 1960s when labor productivity & real wages rose together. But correlation does not necessarily mean causality. Real wages rose in the 1960s because labor was scarce enough that companies had to bid workers away from each other. Thus wages, in real & nominal terms rose. Companies increased labor productivity because labor was expensive. In the 1980s forward, labor became expensive owing to medical costs. Thus companies looked for labor saving methods and corporate profits soared despite rocketing medical benefits costs.
“So if American knew which companies pay their employees well, and kept CEO salaries reasonable, and supported only those companies, we could turn this ship around?”
Sounds like a list of criteria to look for when you invest in a company.
I pretty much live that at the moment, CT. Working to get the hell out of it. It’s the standard among much of the retail pharmacy corporations–but there are still corporations that pay their techs better than i’m getting paid NOW with my current company. Which seems to pay the absolute worst wages possible to their workers and then proceeds to have the worst management techniques possible in return for all the effort they put out to try to get a little more for their families.
Pie!
With a topping of Class War, please.
no nuts for me.
The only criterion you look for when you invest in a company is the prospects for a rising stock price. Fergettabout anything else. It just ain’t gonna happen.
As always, I like your thinking and your question.
A ship sailing around this sphere called earth as opposed to a train on a single, straight track, waiting for a wreck to occur.
and my econ education continues…
Thanks Ian for the (as always) informative post.
I feel a little smarter *g*
By moving/outsourcing to cheaper labor markets…
here’s the truth about prices and wages in most of the market;
1) the wages of our workforce have nothing to do with the price of that product
2) the cost of making a product has nothing to do with the cost to the consumer
the price of a product relies on what a consumer will pay, nothing else, if the product costs more then a consumer will pay that product become extinct
all other excesses go into the pocket of management at the highest levels, the excess does not go into the workers pocket not the consumer’s pocket
Sounds like it to me, but do such companies exist? Can we get some IPO’s going??
Hi, Great topic!
If you haven’t read it, Ravi Batra’s A Guide to Common Sense Macroeconomics (2004) has a great couple of chapters on this subject.
As long as productivity gains in the economy are shared equally by capital and labor, share prices rise roughly at the rate of productivity, but if real wages trail the production … we get these bubbles in things and then crashes… Bubble economies are the direct result that capital returns have been outpacing returns to labor.
Yes, among many other things. It is important to remember that medical “benefits” are not cost free to labor, even before companies starting passing some portion to labor directly. In foreign policy, I believe that is call “blowback.”
I like pie.
But is it conceivable that a company could grow based on people spending and investing their money based on fair wages and benefits? Kinda like the opposite of Walmart? A company that starts out on made in America/invest in America?
Why would productivity be passed on to labor at all if it comes from the substitution of capital for labor? Under that circumstance, all the benefits accrue to capital, as I detailed in my 18.
Thanks, and I know what you mean about having the time to get involved in the politics of how things work now that the kids are older.
Don’t you think it would behoove us to move to a Single Payer(Govt) Universal Healthcare system? It would greatly relieve the Corporations of that Legacy cost…!
Ummmm…is Ian here, and, uh what else? Oh, yeah I like pie, too. Even some with nuts. Variety and all.
how does teh increase in “professional” (and even some hourly i.e. MallWart) forced overtime/”comp time” and inability to take vacations/sick days play into the increases in “productivity?”
How do you get equilibrium in the labor markets if wages trial output per worker? Productivity is the main sooure oc supply, and if they are not in sync with each other aggregate supply and demand cannot be in equilibrium for long … are you assuming something like the stick price neokeynesian model, in that it never really quite syncs any way? If labor CAN’T buy output, output prices fall. The only way labor’s been buying stuff right now is by cashing out their home equity and running up their credit cards. How long can that last?
I kinda liked “Greenspan’s Fraud” by the same author. Pretty much told the story, didn’t it?
You have to ask yourself the Q about how the economic signals get transmitted. A rare business person like Ford figured out that you can make more profits by having more customers. Thus low price, affordable, products generates gigantic demand. Most companies don’t evaluate their demand that way. For example, raising prices (versus selling more product), costs nothing, and thus the profit potential is huge. Wal-Mart figured out low every-day-pricing, but in the process, unlike Ford, formed a business model that made their employees too poor to shop in Wal-Mart. When will such employers face up? Only if labor organizes or the govt intervenes. Wal-Mart et al will never realize they are impoverishing their customers (i.e. their employees) because of the problem of aggregation.
definitely… he’s one of the first that called greenspend for what he was
Naw. It ain’t part of the plan. The health care industry is sucking the money out of people’s estates. It is the last chance they have to plunder an individual’s worth. The secondary gain is that it makes the next generation more dependent and compliant.
I went into a Walmart once.
Whoa! Now that was heavy!
Whatever it meant.
sorry, that was economist to economist … just ignore the man behind the curtain
Heh, and Wally World further exacerbates the communities in which they operate by under-cutting prices forcing local businesses out of business, and, on the macro scale, by forcing manufacturers to move to China… Not a healthy proposition all the way around…!
So is Class War then inevitable? Is the Capitalist System so predicated on exploitation of all resources in it’s quest for ever greater profit margins that it would destroy itself rather than manage and conserve the very resources it requires to prosper? Sounds like Mr. Marx was correct, blinded by greed, the Capitalists will indeed do themselves in.
I think the evidence supports a market failure in the determination of wages. Only when labor gets so scarce that a bidding war ensues (unemployement rate 4% or lower from evidence of the 1960s) will real wages rise. If there is a market failure, then a nonmarket intervention is a prospect. Labor organization. Minimum wage. Etc. Otherwise, the market signals are such that real wages and/or employment will decline until the economy fails.
Workers/consumers are fundamentally insatiable. Thus they have used every trick in the book to continue to increase spending: working longer hours, more workers per household, lower savings, refying mortgages at higher amounts & spending the excess. All the sellers see is that demand is hunky dory. They have no reason to understand that their labor policies may be detrimental to demand in the long run. And until they do, don’t expect their labor expense cutting behavior to change.
We need to do research I would guess Toyota is ok I read somewhere but can’t find a link that their top guy makes much less than the head of GM but Toyota has grown in size and profits while GM has shrunk.
If pay were based on performance GM’s CEOs would have worked for free since the 70’s.
Still we need our own Lefty business channel. The TV talking heads are talking about a bottom already they think we should buy now to take advantage of their insight.
I think they are trying to prop up the market with more happy news. A realistic business channel with news you can trust rather than news which tries to get you to buy crap stocks would really take off I think.
well, isn’t the main problem that our government has been captured by all that rent-seeking? Our labor unions aren’t around to offset all those oligopolies and monpolistic competitive markets that behave that way … i mean it’s working rather well in its various formats in other places. we don’t really have capitalism here, we have monopolism. Just like russian didn’t have communism, it had bureaucratism…
Jon Stewart was funny this week, when he showed the OilCo executives getting “lectured” by Congressman Markey, and then showed clips of previous lectures by congressmen in 2007, 2006, 2005, and 2004. It was quite clear that Congress won’t do anything about OilCo profits as long as their campaigns are funded by fatcats.
But they will sternly lecture when the cameras are rolling.
ThingsComeUndone [and what an appropriate name for what’s happening in the financial markets] –
This is certainly not the bottom of the stock market. Buyer beware.
Well, we live in an adversarial system. I don’t like it, and think it’s not the optimal system, but until it changes, ….
Labor needs to organize & stand up for itself. If you don’t fight for yourself, who will?
This is a Co-Reply to you and Loo Hoo at 43.
I bought my 20 year old son who has no insurance two pairs of glasses at Walmart at month ago. It was the only way I could afford it.
Am I going to go to hell?
True! A blathering bunch of idiots on both sides…! ;-)
i agree with that….if you look at any country with long-term stagnation or deep recessions, there’s alaways been a persistent wage-productivity gap, are we just doomed to repeating the same stupidity?
No need to apologize, cuz I’m gonna be using that.
I’m gonna be layin’ ’stick price neokeynesian model’
on everybody!
Like you even have to ask?
No. But if you have Costco go there next time. They also have group health insurance for small businesses. Create a small business by getting a local license.
When the system stinks, no participant in the system can be faulted. I can afford not to buy at Wal-Mart, and never do, but for those who can’t afford to shop elsewhere, go with god. A system failure is not onn your shoulders.
then i need to tell you about my typo ;-) … it should be STICKY as in slow to change and adjust
well, occasionally we get a teddy roosevelt or some one like that that actually course changes the stupid tricks monopolists play
I have insurance. He’s not on my plan. He’s 20 - doing his own thing, man. Ha. Broke his glasses and needed them, like, yesterday. But, next time he turns to me, I’ll remember Costco. Thanks. :)
When the workers understand they are regarded as consumables, like toilet paper, they are going to be extremely pissed off. Economic theory aside, pitchforks and torches are going to be unpleasant for the gentry. Hungry people with starving sick families are not going to be easy to mollify, even at gunpoint. At least according to historical precedent. We’ll just have to see who is right on this, the creation of the new reality has been remarkably successful up to this point, I must regretfully admit. Perhaps we deserve what we are about to receive, and receive it we shall, unless we wake up.
Bear Stearns apparently got a lot more people’s attention that I initially thought. Public sentiment is running high on this one. We have a real issue here. The question is if we are populist enough to seize it and run with it…
Demi,
Costco’s insurance for your son would be $165.00 monthly.
Now you’re delving into ths issue about how to handle market failure in labor markets, a deep issue. Since the answer lies in non-market methods, the A to your Q is that we might not be doomed to repeat past errors if we learn from them. (Duh. That seems like a particularly unenlightened statement of the obvious.)
Knowing nothing about economics or business, I will give my two cents. I would be happy to spend my 403B money on a company that behaves decently and produces something worthwhile. Anybody know one?
And eCAHN, how many hoops are there for a company to be on the Nasdaq or NYSE. I’m sure there are lots of criteria, but very basically, what are they?
I think the benefits of public healthcare are over looked sure it costs rich people money but the cost of doing nothing is too much.
My GrandAunt cleaned houses on the Gold Coast she got TB and was locked up until she nolonger was showing symptoms she lost a child and an exhusband to TB.
Too bad she didn’t get regular heath check ups or paid sick days. I wonder how many Gold Coasters died because the help was sick.
Today we are breeding new antibiotic resistant disease of all kind among the masses without healthcare like me!
If nothing is done one day a lethal, very contagious, antibiotic resistant disease will arise from the masses and the rich with their house keepers coughing on the bed sheets, their nannies coughing on their kids, their pool boys coughing on their wives will find that as a protected population they have less defense than a person who caught this disease before or who has survived because of some adaptation.
I missed that. Must check it out!
If I were queen, I’d design another system. But that’s pie-in-the-sky. Wathcing the slo-mo suicide of the U.S. economy over medical benefits, and watching the polictical process, I’ve some to think that single-payer’s the way to go. But I retain an open mind for alternatives.
Heh, we did learn, we passed Glass-Steagal in the thirties, but, then we repealed it… Go figure!
Vulnerable institutions include small and medium sized banks and life insurance companies who over-invested in the derivatives madness and are now severely undercapitalized. But not to worry, the big banks and insurance companies will buy up most of them.
Well, we know the reasons for the rising wage gap …it’s not like economists are operating in the dark … i mean you can even look at it from the vantage point they’ve instituted many many more regressive taxes since the 70s … all those sales taxes and the increases in the social security taxes … those are policy decisions economists provide data and analysis… can’t they speak up and say something about who those hurt?
Imagine what would happen if we all stopped paying out health insurance and medical bills. Unrealistic I know.
yeah, but this trouble is not coming from the banking system … it’s coming from the frankenstein financiers…it’s just spilling all over because those derivatives are usually securitized with real assets.
No, silly. Walmart was cheaper than Costco?
See, I’m just thinking there has to be a way for a new glasses company to emerge, BASED on the fact that the glasses are made here in America, and that employees were treated respectfully.
Does anyone know if labor is trying to unionize Walmart?
Well, if workers aren’t making as much the sort of things they buy won’t get as much demand as they would if they were getting big raises.
Unless you lend them the money.
And the advantage of lending them the money is that it creates investment opportunities for the people at the top who need somewhere to park all those extra suplus profits they’ve gotten.
Of course, debt also winds up reducing demand long term, and eventually you may have to pay it off. But if you just keep increasing lending limits, well, you can put off the day of reckoning for a long time and have a debt paid “consumer” economy in the meantime. For years I was amazed that every year Americans would have record debts, then spend more.
We’ll see how much longer that can go on, if at all. If it fails, given that Americans are massively in debt, the value of their houses is down and they haven’t been getting raises, you could see a massive demand drop.
same here. another reason I stick with mom and pop businesses (when possible). they (many) have a different view of the role and importance of their employees
and with all that debt, you get all those sexy new debt securitization products … bankers get to pass their risk on and can avoid due diligence on lending
Let the class warfare begin.
Oh, Hell. He just happens to be my hot button at the moment.
I know I said a while back that he moved in with me, but, that just means he put a bunch of his stuff here. He’s spent two — count them — nights here in 3 months. Haven’t talked to him in 3 weeks. He brought a hamster home and hasn’t been back.
I took over his room the other night — a place to go read or whatever, still share a room with the mister. The good part of throwing his stuff in the closet and bringing in plants and candles was We Found The Hamster!
She’s fine. :)
Extremely, regressive both! I think the $88,000 cap on SS should be raised to $250K or even $500K, and then, reduce the sales tax rate and increase the luxury goods tax…
People who are really self-made generally don’t care too much about high taxes, or the estate tax. They know they could do it again, and they expect their kids to make do with a decent, but not obscene boost from mum and dad.
The folks who got lucky aren’t sure they could do it again, they know in their heart that they aren’t really self-made, that they just lucked into being at the right time and place - sure they worked hard, but they don’t how to make the right time and place themselves. Or they got it because of who they know, and to justify it to themselves they have to believe that they deserve it because of who they are.
But in general, real self-made men and women aren’t all that concerned with taxes. They know they can make more money.
I got some gold if Helicopter Ben drops interest rates and by so doing drops the value of the Dollar. I got some Toyota if gas prices keep going up.
My plan is to try and figure ways to make money off the disaster Bush is creating in the economy. I try to think what are the consequences of Bush’s actions on the real world and what is likely to happen if things go wrong.
I think the Market is nowhere near a bottom.
Thanks for the compliment on the name I try to be prescient LOL.
Yep.
Remember the days of “public health?” Those are the days when communicable diseases destroyed people & economies. Of course, those days are long done, courtesy of vaccines.
However, the next layer of the onion is revealed. Unhealthy children cause societies to underperform when they reach adulthood (ditto criminal behavior). Unhealthy adults influence all sorts of economic performances. The goal is to fiugre out a way of dealing with the aggregation problems without creating an atmosphere where people feel no responsiblitiby to look after themselves.
Try looking at green companies.
definitely … why more of this isn’t being discussed by our candidates is beyond me … unless they feel beholden to some one who wouldn’t like this
I’m glad you said that. I can’t afford to shop anywhere else.
Why is TB spreading if there’s a vaccine?
The repeal enabled the financiers to run amok…! ‘Course, a little more regulatory oversight would’ve helped too…!
See what 300 million in lobbying by the investment banks and brokerage firms will get you?
I call it the Walmart/CostCo effect. Walmart treats their employers like crap, while CostCo pays them more, gives them benefits and treats them relatively well.
And somehow CostCo, despite having a higher cost structure, makes more money on most metrics. You rarely get more out of your employees than you put into them. You can get less, but not more.
And yet, there have been time periods where that was not the case.
Why?
but the problems we have now wouldn’t have been solved by Glass-Stegall…it’s the credit derivatives market that started a lot of this … this is more SEC stuff
Hellooooo Ian.
Thanks for the explain. That makes sense to me.
Ever since my divorce 6 years ago, the only thing I’m paying interest on is my trailer-trash (and loving it!) house.
I crack up when the retailer asks me debit or credit? Debit, baby. The only way I go!
I think you don’t need to look at minor influences to understand wage behavior, though they may play a role. I think the overwhelming influence is the relative power of management (wage setters) vs. labor (wage takers). Consider the following: next month the unemployment rate is reported at 3%. The following Monday, workers line up at their bosses’s doors and demand higher wages because they are “scarce.” Bwahahahahaha. Never happens. Companies must be forced to pay higher wages by bidding workers away from other companies, or must confront organized labor on the other side of the table.
and stop relying on black market labor.
I’m wondering if Moody’s and Standard and Poors will see a similar fate as Arthur Anderson and KPMG after Enron’s demise…?
I’m an economist, not a public h