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	<title>Comments on: John McCain:  Changing His Mind On Public Financing &#8212; Again?</title>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372567</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. to mods - please feel free to delete my comments, but only if you are sure the message has gotten to where it needs to go. thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. to mods &#8211; please feel free to delete my comments, but only if you are sure the message has gotten to where it needs to go. thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372565</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the problem is that there are front page posts that make the claim that mccain &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; say it. i’m concerned only that we get it right (i don’t think it affects the conclusions - but i don’t want to see any opening being given people who might want to undermine the effort).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so the reason i jumped on your comment was not so much to correct you (as i understand that was not the point of your comment), but i didn’t want your comment to confuse the mods or jane if they are reading this thread on the issue of “mccain said.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem is that there are front page posts that make the claim that mccain <em>did</em> say it. i’m concerned only that we get it right (i don’t think it affects the conclusions &#8211; but i don’t want to see any opening being given people who might want to undermine the effort).</p>
<p>so the reason i jumped on your comment was not so much to correct you (as i understand that was not the point of your comment), but i didn’t want your comment to confuse the mods or jane if they are reading this thread on the issue of “mccain said.”</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372551</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;– &lt;i&gt;that’s the point - all the evidence is that he wasn’t speaking &lt;/i&gt; –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, I’m sure that’s the case.  I didn’t see that difference as significant; and was just off the cuff noting that the remarks appeared to be associated with a &lt;i&gt;proposed&lt;/i&gt; bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>– <i>that’s the point &#8211; all the evidence is that he wasn’t speaking </i> –</p>
<p>Oh, I’m sure that’s the case.  I didn’t see that difference as significant; and was just off the cuff noting that the remarks appeared to be associated with a <i>proposed</i> bill.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372549</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;– &lt;i&gt;Perhaps McCain didn’t exactly break the law.&lt;/i&gt; –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Depending on how one chooses to construe “break the law,” as a technical matter perhaps he didn’t.  There is no law that limits, per se, a campaign’s spending.  But, in order to obtain public financing, a candidate has to enter into an agreement that includes spending limits.  Entering this agreement is entirely voluntary - there is no law that says a candidate MUST adhere to the spending limits associated with public financing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What McCain is in breach of is his agreement with the FEC to limit spending in certain ways, and to permit the FEC to audit his receipts and spending — in exchange for obtaining public money.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain argues that since he never took the money, he’s not bound to the agreement.  But, McCain used the possibility of public money and the FEC certification that he qualified for it 1) to give comfort to a lender and 2) to obtain an advantage in ballot access in several states.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>– <i>Perhaps McCain didn’t exactly break the law.</i> –</p>
<p>Depending on how one chooses to construe “break the law,” as a technical matter perhaps he didn’t.  There is no law that limits, per se, a campaign’s spending.  But, in order to obtain public financing, a candidate has to enter into an agreement that includes spending limits.  Entering this agreement is entirely voluntary &#8211; there is no law that says a candidate MUST adhere to the spending limits associated with public financing.</p>
<p>What McCain is in breach of is his agreement with the FEC to limit spending in certain ways, and to permit the FEC to audit his receipts and spending — in exchange for obtaining public money.</p>
<p>McCain argues that since he never took the money, he’s not bound to the agreement.  But, McCain used the possibility of public money and the FEC certification that he qualified for it 1) to give comfort to a lender and 2) to obtain an advantage in ballot access in several states.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372538</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that the huge popular base of funding for Obama is going to make The Powers That Be rethink their opposition to controls on electoral spending.  They cannot afford a true popularly elected government.  We haven’t had one in decades.  I am willing to put a small wage that if Obama’s funding blows McCain and the thugs out of the water next fall, there will be a huge outcry from the thuglicans and their media lackeys for finance reform, and the Supremes will back them up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to previous opposition: that was then, this is now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the huge popular base of funding for Obama is going to make The Powers That Be rethink their opposition to controls on electoral spending.  They cannot afford a true popularly elected government.  We haven’t had one in decades.  I am willing to put a small wage that if Obama’s funding blows McCain and the thugs out of the water next fall, there will be a huge outcry from the thuglicans and their media lackeys for finance reform, and the Supremes will back them up.</p>
<p>As to previous opposition: that was then, this is now.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372537</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;McCain is speaking&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s the point - all the evidence is that &lt;em&gt;he wasn’t speaking&lt;/em&gt; - it was a written addition to the congressional record - NOT a floor statement.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>McCain is speaking</p>
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<p>that’s the point &#8211; all the evidence is that <em>he wasn’t speaking</em> &#8211; it was a written addition to the congressional record &#8211; NOT a floor statement.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372533</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The relevant requirement of it — correlating primary and general systems, is stated in &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN01913:@@@D&amp;summ2=m&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CRS Summary of S.1913 in the 108th Congress&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(3) require candidates to be eligible to receive funding under the Presidential Election Campaign Fund Act to have received payments under the Presidential Primary Matching Payment Account Act&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The proposed bill would also have changed the dollar for dollar match (up to $250 per donor) to a four dollars for a dollar “super-match.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relevant requirement of it — correlating primary and general systems, is stated in <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN01913:@@@D&amp;summ2=m&amp;" rel="nofollow">CRS Summary of S.1913 in the 108th Congress</a></p>
<blockquote><p>(3) require candidates to be eligible to receive funding under the Presidential Election Campaign Fund Act to have received payments under the Presidential Primary Matching Payment Account Act</p>
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<p>The proposed bill would also have changed the dollar for dollar match (up to $250 per donor) to a four dollars for a dollar “super-match.”</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372528</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;– &lt;i&gt;The quote comes from 11/21/2003, not 2004.&lt;/i&gt; –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s a link to the same thing in plaintext, for the PDF averse  (still big, 750 kB of text covering other bills as well).  &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r108:FLD001:S15412&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CR Page S15412 - November 21, 2003&lt;/a&gt;.  McCain is speaking on the introduction of &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.1913:&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;S.1913&lt;/a&gt; - Presidential Funding Act of 2003, a bill that was sent to committee, and if acted on, was acted on under a different bill number.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>– <i>The quote comes from 11/21/2003, not 2004.</i> –</p>
<p>Thanks for that.</p>
<p>Here’s a link to the same thing in plaintext, for the PDF averse  (still big, 750 kB of text covering other bills as well).  <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r108:FLD001:S15412" rel="nofollow">CR Page S15412 &#8211; November 21, 2003</a>.  McCain is speaking on the introduction of <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.1913:" rel="nofollow">S.1913</a> &#8211; Presidential Funding Act of 2003, a bill that was sent to committee, and if acted on, was acted on under a different bill number.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372515</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;– &lt;i&gt;when Bush signed the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform in March 2002&lt;/i&gt; –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a very persistent error that McCain is now breaching the McCain-Feinglod law.  He’s not.  McCain Feingold limits contributors of soft money.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What McCain is in breach of is an agreement he entered into, under a 1973 law that created a public financing system for political campaigns that chose to opt in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>– <i>when Bush signed the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform in March 2002</i> –</p>
<p>There’s a very persistent error that McCain is now breaching the McCain-Feinglod law.  He’s not.  McCain Feingold limits contributors of soft money.</p>
<p>What McCain is in breach of is an agreement he entered into, under a 1973 law that created a public financing system for political campaigns that chose to opt in.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/04/john-mccain-preparing-to-accept-public-financing/#comment-1372512</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As for keeping the option of public financing open by insuring the contributions don’t run afoul of the public financing system, that’s just prudent.  A bit shortsighted on McCain’s part to not have had the requisite entities in place up front, to take in contributions so that the option was open.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for keeping the option of public financing open by insuring the contributions don’t run afoul of the public financing system, that’s just prudent.  A bit shortsighted on McCain’s part to not have had the requisite entities in place up front, to take in contributions so that the option was open.</p>
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