There’s been an ongoing debate in Arizona about the state’s 9/11 memorial, which is in fact a striking conceptual piece of art that tries to encompass the broad range of public reactions, and feelings, about the 2001 terrorist attacks, and the events surrounding them.
Unsurprisingly, the problem is less with the memorial itself than with the Republican jingoes who can’t abide honesty or truth in public art. They want the memorial to be all about good ole American patriotism, and are accusing its designers of being unpatriotic, unAmerican, and just plain ungood.
Yesterday, the Republicans in the Arizona Legislature passed a resolution to remove the elements deemed insufficiently patriotic:
Known as Moving Memories, the memorial at Wesley Bolin Plaza was unveiled to widespread acclaim on the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks.
Built with $500,000 in private donations, its sweeping design of concrete and steel includes rubble from the World Trade Center and Pentagon and dust from the Pennsylvania field where the final hijacked plane crashed. Sunlight passes through 54 inscriptions laser-cut into the memorial’s cylindrical face, making the phrases visible on the concrete below.
But the memorial soon found itself the target of criticism by those who considered some of its inscriptions anti-military, unpatriotic or simply inane. GOP gubernatorial candidate Len Munsil made the memorial a centerpiece of his candidacy against Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano, who had praised the structure as "impressive and meaningful."
There was talk of knocking down the memorial, covering it over or building anew. In the months since, emotions have cooled little. "The memorial as it now stands shows how far the roots of moral relativism have now spread," Rep. Bob Stump, a Peoria Republican, said Wednesday.
We’re all somewhat familiar with this kind of nonsense. After all, it was just three years ago that Michelle Malkin was frothing about another 9/11 memorial that she and the other wingnuts had decided was part of a secret Islamist conspiracy to instill Muslim values in America.
What the wingnuts apparently can’t handle is any reflection of the complexity of American life, manifested in our widely varying responses to the attacks — as well as the many failures in our national-security apparatus before and after them. The only views they evidently can stand to have displayed on the memorial are those that either express support for the American military and the Bush administration, or express hatred of brown-skinned foreigners.
These are the lines the Arizona jingoes want removed:
• "Must bomb back"
• "05 19 03 Avtar Singh Cheira, a Sikh, shot in Phoenix"
• "Foreign-born Americans afraid"
• "09 15 01 Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh, murdered in Mesa"
• "Middle East violence motivates attacks in US"
• "FBI agent issues July 2001 warning in ‘Phoenix Memo’ "
• "06 03 02 Congress questions why CIA & FBI didn’t prevent attacks"
• "Fear of foreigners"
• "Feeling of invincibility lost"
• "03 13 02 New Afghan leader elected"
• "You don’t win battles of terrorism with more battles"
• "Violent acts leading US to war 05 07 1915, 12 07 1941, 08 04 1964 & 09 11 2001"
Now, you can argue all you like about the truthfulness or accuracy or validity of these views — but it’s incontestable that the breadth of American opinion did include them. Which is what the memorial is supposed to be about. That’s what gives it its power.
If Arizona Republicans want to have their own memorial, perhaps they can finance it themselves and erect it on their own. I’d suggest a statue of John McCain, singing "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."



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We have some real winners here in Arizona.
You haven’t seen them at their really worse moments which happen quite often.
Remember, the Republicans were the ones who tried to kill the Vietnam Veterans Memorial because it wasn’t some tacky grandiose piece of neo-classical schlock, but actually had a human impact by recognizing all those killed in the conflict.
g’evening pups
I hear arizona is a very dry state. Has to turn the brains of Repugs into dust.
Arizona Rethugs have no brains. Just look at McCain.
Are you referring to John McCain? Ha!
Hi Suz, David, PW, and pups!
Remember, April is Border Awareness Month. The Minutemen are rallying in Arizona. It’s ever so patriotic to rev your ATV up and down the dirt road outside my house.
how’s everyone doing tonight?
Evening Suzanne!
And Loo Hoo – Take-Down time for your critter!
My idea of a 9/11 memorial? A big statue of George Bush seated like Lincoln, deer in the headlights look, holding a copy of My Pet Goat.
My premise was all wrong, I agree. I was assuming Repugs had brains. I apologise to any dust I’ve insulted…
Actually, it wouldn’t matter if they did have any. Party rules prohibit them from using them.
good thing you apologized q – nothing worse than an angry duststorm
Um, this was privately funded. So how can the legislature legally interfere?
I hope! Love KO!
perhaps it was going to be placed on public land and that is how they got some authority over this privately funded venture
Evening suzanne.
Yeah, like a storm in a Dyson vacuum cleaner…
If that makes any sense.;-))
These are western Republicans. They are deeply ideologically opposed to the public taking of private property, except when they are in favor of it.
Oh yeah, by the way, fine post David, thanks.
may i suggest that the book be upside down?
Now that was funny.
With a timer ticking that resets every seven minutes.
There is a local story of a similar nature in Los Alamos. . .OK, this is my Dad.
Seems to be a pretty impressive pedigree there.
selise, Loo Hoo, I think you are on to something.
wow
Really your dad? Cool.
What Suzanne said.
I’d be interested to see a picture of these…
That’s some dude.
How cool is that…
Is there a distinction between a piece of public art and a public memorial? Can one item fulfill both functions?
Howdy, Ma’am! In an aside, the Sikhs that were murdered in AZ is a complete travesty! The Sikhs had nothing to do with the Muslim extremists that perpetrated 911, just like Iraq had anything to do with it…! 8-(
david axelrod, obama campaign manager on charlie rose right now..
bbl
they were the wrong brown people at the wrong place in the wrong state, ct. didn’t matter what they were other than they were perceived as being rom the middle east
Have never seen him but would certainly give him an ovation for one of the most amazing campaigns I have ever seen. WOW
The Hawaii Tourism Authority has announced that there’s 20,000 tourists stranded here in the Isles with the sudden demise of Aloha and ATA…! Well, there’s worse places to be stranded, eh? ;-)
It is on public space, which is where the legislators have managed to gain a toehold on the issue. That, and there is a public commission looking at how to revise the monument in a more thoughtful fashion.
Hey, Beth Meacham! I remember you from ol’ Table Talk days.
Republicans are more inclined to favor the works of Albert Speer rather than those of Albert Sweitzer.
Although privately funded, the memorial is to be located on public property, namely the Capitol Mall immediately adjacent to the State Capitol.
hey david
Heh, they’re not even from the ME, they’re from India…!
is why i said perceived to be from…
Time for me to head to bed as I have more young minds to corrupt in the morning. Take care and enjoy. Keep up the good work, Dave.
Aloha, DD!
You know, of course – to some of these creatures, Brown is Brown.
And then there’s the unusual headwear.
g’nite dr dick
It must have something to do with the heat. One of the finest educated people I know lives in Arizona and when it comes to anything remotely political, he is dumb as dirt and unwilling to learn.
Can you Digg it?
Here is a column by a decent chap at the local newspaper, Ed Montini.
Here is an article where Gov. Napolitano threatens to veto the wingnut bill demanding changes
dugg, thanks neuro – nice to see ya got your digg back on
Well, the rodents here (I’m visiting the in-laws this week) are also known to carry bubonic plague. So mebbe it’s something in the soil …
“”The memorial as it now stands shows how far the roots of moral relativism have now spread,” Rep. Bob Stump, a Peoria Republican, said Wednesday.”
Yeah, when you talk about Iraq, Katrina, torture, and some of the other wonders that the Republicans have brought us under this administration, the R’s have a lot of room to talk about “moral relativism”…
I love E.J. Montini. I used to run his columns all the time when I worked as an editorial-page guy at various newspapers.
A new New York Times/CBS News poll finds 81% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction. 78% said it was worse off than 5 years ago. Only 4% said it was better.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04…..ll.html?hp
now we’re gettin’ there, ART!
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david, after many years of having the human form be the conceptual representation of human events, it is a huge leap to have a more contemporary form of art represent something so visceral to the general public.
add to that interpretive text inscribed on it and it’s a huge leap for most.
is it a monument or is it art?
that line still exists.
monuments are people represented in human form.
art is ’ideas’ interpreted in a physical form.
the fight goes on.
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maya lin, vietnam wall artist, has a ’sculpture’ here in athens, ohio.
a small field, although it is located in a prime real estate area, with rectangular concrete ’ponds’ with inscriptions all around, inside the rims, and outside the rims, from her memories here, and thoughts she wanted to pass on to others.
most don’t even know it’s there, it’s so anonymous, i think that was part of her point.
had it been a way above ground, noticable structure, i don’t know that it would have flown here, even though this is her home town.
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everyone, google pyramid hill, if i go google, to get the website, i’ll lose my screen.
it’s a guy in hamilton, ohio who started a sculpture park…….it’s amazing.
in the middle of nowhere, a sculpture park to rival all others. it’s amazing, like i said, it is.
his house is the shape of a pyramid, he’s a friend of my dad.
Good for Napolitano! Dang, bmaz, did ya take a wrong turn, isn’t Ew’s the next one over…? *g*
that’s great news for republicans!
I haven’t heard numbers like this in my lifetime. And who in the world are the 4%?
Been telling you’all that AZ has some wacky Repugs…. ya got McBush…. AND Sheriff Joe …. and Russel Pierce with his wacky hate the brown people ballot measures….
Yes, but you don’t even want to see what he posted over there…
The Have-More base of Shrub’s!
Whoever they are, it’s unlikely that they pump their own gasoline, have kids in public school, or carry their own clubs.
Gov Janet has been our firewall with the wacky ones…. AND their big criticism as a single woman in her 50’s who wears sensible shoes… give me a break….. tuff AG …
Except I don’t think people that rich answer polls – can you imagine the CEO of GE answering his phone !
*g*
only if it is politician calling to thank him for the
bribecontribution – poll takers never get to call the private numberI switched from Firefox to IE and that may have made the difference.
Heh, I cause trouble all over the place.
David – Yeah, I like Ed, a good guy. Haven’t talked to him in a long, long time, but the couple of time I did he was way cool.
Will Janet go for McCain’s senate seat? He’s giving it up either way, right?
I notice Marcy has been drinking some Red Bull again! *g*
Whoo Hoo!!! Our very own Ed*ard Teller gets a diary rescue. (Philip Munger)
woohoo! most excellent
Maybe their personal secretaries answer them in accordance to how they think the big cheeses might answer…!
my 56–
once again, forgot to mention my main point–
’crazy harry’ wilks started his sculpture park, and lo and behold, sculptures started going up all over town.
now, hamilton promotes itself as ’the city of sculptures’ ’the sculpture city’
understand, this is the county seat of ’boner’ representative boehner country.
HUGELY republican.
the dems in the city fought back in another way, through the ARTS!
that’s where people put their money, since they couldn’t win in elections.
i’m serious, that’s how they fought back. arts are big there. and it’s a not so big city, thriving arts community.
it grates every republican nerve within miles.
go harry.
send him some love,http://www.pyramidhill.org/
he’s been tweakin’ republican balls for years.
they hate him.
Loo Hoo @99
Janet has had her eye on McBush’s seat but her term as Gov goes to 2010 and if we loose her the state will be totally F**ked…. we do not have a Lt. Gov…. the second after her is Sec of State which is a REALLY dumb wacky Repug woman ….. So we are ALL hoping she stays put until then…
BTW, fellow pups, if ya want to catch the ‘Superbowl’ of Hula, the Merrie Monarch Festival from here in Hilo, ya can watch it online at this link…!
http://www.kitv.com/merriemonarch/index.html
An intelligent analysis and an informative diary. Good work, ET.
See 71 above.
This is not unique to Arizona. We have been though this in the Iowa town I live in. When the local veterans grouop decides to build a memorial, by God they don’t need no stinkin architect. They want the biggest piece of granite they can find, and design is not a concern. That is why north Iowa is paved with ugly black granite memorials with every cliche anyone ever thought or etched into the surface, and the surroundings are populated with flags and plastic eagles.
Evenin’ David and Firedogs -
Maya Lin also designed this piece at the
Civil Rights Memorial in Montgomery
the verse is Amos 5:24
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dmac – pissin off the Republics was the catalyst for Cadillac Ranch
Amarillo was/is a target rich environment :D
Jan Brewer dumb and wacky??? You are being far too kind.
SusaninIowa, LOL. My Dad is from Iowa, you gotta go back to my comment at 24 for the link.
He’s got the biggest granite monuments, but they are for peace. . .he uses the flag, because someone told him once that if you want to protest, you have to fly the stars and stripes. He bought the biggest flags he could find too.
I guess you can take the man out of Iowa but not Iowa out of the man.
Oh, my friend, I knew I liked you.
thanks cbl2–harry has links with the cincinnati symphony, and opera, so he brings them to pyramid hill for mini-concerts and fundraisers at his house……..
so, the republicans kinda have to come.
it’s hilarious what he does, and it is a FANTASTIC place. absolutely magical.
my parents help give tours.
it’s an amazing thing he is doing there.
my favorite sculpture is a dragonfly dome.
polished steel dragonfly cutouts, interlocked, in a dome shape.
and a stacked glass surrounded by granite sculpture. you can make shadows with your hands for the person on the other side that change the patterns.
is situated on about 100 acres. filled with large sculptures, of all mediums.
amazing place.
all because the republicans pissed harry off.
all because boehner is an asshole.
all because harry had the money to say fuck you.
it’s a beautiful thing.
i can’t believe no one has played this yet
Excellent post, bmaz…
I think Marcy could use the protection…! *g*
well shit, i thought this was an art thread. i can’t keep up anymore.
the other night i apologized for posting off-topic, now i’m on-topic, but it’s not the topic, well shit. : )
going back to packing, going out of town tomorrow.
’i’m so confused’ (moonstruck)
bbl
This time of night, most anything goes, huh, Suz? It is interesting that the repubs in your area are putting money into “art” rather than candidates though. Guess they can enjoy the monuments during the next 30 years of democratic governance!
yup
Suz, Loo Hoo,
Hiya.
I’ve a new post up, Suz! I changed my profile on WP to link to M&C…
here-the one with the stacked glass, it’s bigger than it looks, it’s massive.
http://pyramidhill.org/artistbio.php?aid=30
’bout time you did that
this one spins, is impossible even when you’re spinning it.
http://pyramidhill.org/artistbio.php?aid=28
(i’m on a mission)
Some cool work!
The blue triangle is not the least bit appealing to me. But I have to say, looks like a beautiful place to live!
Something phalic about the one next to the (ugly) blue triangle, dmac.
i am just posting art as you all post music, it is an art thread.
http://pyramidhill.org/artistbio.php?aid=31
this one when you are in it, looks like a pond, probably 14 feet wide, huge lily pads and a blue bottom that you can’t see in the photograph.
the parts thrusting upward look like water splashing.
my siblings and i love this together, reminds us of summers swimming.
and all of these are because of a democrat who said fuck you to local politics, and ended up defining his city as an arts center, right in the middle of boehner country.
one man.
i am so amused every time i go there, sculptures as soon as you enter the area, right by the highway, right in the middle of town, right as you go to the west side, i laugh every time i see them…….and that is where i am going tomorrow.
every time i see boehner, i think, i bet he hates to drive through town, seeing harry everywhere he looks.
some kind of satisfaction, i think.
ok, i’m done, thanks for humoring me.
you all always talk about boehner, thought i would share a satisfied revenge story about him.
Excellent editorial in the NYT about Yoo’s screwed up reasoning.
You all missed the memo: dissent or questioning of our government’s actions are no longer allowed in this country.
is why i’m a dfh – i miss all those memos
oooops!
I delete them!
that blue triangle is windows–that’s his house-he has a gallery under there.
house is underground. pool behind. one side is garage and entrance, they don’t show that part. his land is the sculpture park, he has a golf cart and rides around doing things with his fishing hat on…….’crazy harry’
my friend jane took me over to hamilton to pick up a pottery wheel, she is completely sophistocated in all things having to do with art and style.
my mom gave her a tour……..she knows all of the sculptures……jane was completely blown away by pyramid hill. my mom apologized to her that harry was busy that day and couldn’t meet us.
he also has a contest for benches every year. fantastic places to sit and look at the art. sit on art, look at art.
it is a mind-blowing place.
and even more when you know the story behind it.
thought i would share..
democrats built that place.
and i won’t even mention the arts center, where i used to run the pottery studio.
huge money put into it from the prominent republican family in town. heirs to the proctor and gamble fortune, right alongside democrats.
in the middle of boehner country.
it’s a beautiful thing.
Thanks, dmac
How come the link thingie doesn’t work for me anymore. All I get when I check it is an empty FDL page with an error message.
empty your cache, Mary.
Mary, come upstairs.