Comments on: The Yoo Memo–Time to Stop Crying and Get to Work http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:25:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: nellieh http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372630 nellieh Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:52:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372630 <p>In a letter to the NY Times, I suggested those incarcerated because of Abu Ghraib should be released and their places filled by Yoo and everyone who signed off on it and used it. He knew it was illegal when he included a section that proposed no war crimes or criminal charges be brought on the perpetrators. Then why did people go to jail? In my opinion they didn’t want the “memo” to become public. Also how in the world could prestigious universities hire Yoo and Feith, the “dumbest MF’er on the planet(paraphrasing Tommy Franks)and congress, many who saw the “memo,” confirm Hayes to a judgeship? My hope is when any of these people travel abroad they are brought to justice. You can bet it won’t happen here. WTF? How and when did we produce such dispicable, cretinous people, let them rise to responsible positions in governmnent, and watch them shred the Constitution all in the guise of patriotism? It’s been quoted many times; “when facism comes, it will arrive wrapped in a flag carrying a Bible.” Thank God for atheism.</p> In a letter to the NY Times, I suggested those incarcerated because of Abu Ghraib should be released and their places filled by Yoo and everyone who signed off on it and used it. He knew it was illegal when he included a section that proposed no war crimes or criminal charges be brought on the perpetrators. Then why did people go to jail? In my opinion they didn’t want the “memo” to become public. Also how in the world could prestigious universities hire Yoo and Feith, the “dumbest MF’er on the planet(paraphrasing Tommy Franks)and congress, many who saw the “memo,” confirm Hayes to a judgeship? My hope is when any of these people travel abroad they are brought to justice. You can bet it won’t happen here. WTF? How and when did we produce such dispicable, cretinous people, let them rise to responsible positions in governmnent, and watch them shred the Constitution all in the guise of patriotism? It’s been quoted many times; “when facism comes, it will arrive wrapped in a flag carrying a Bible.” Thank God for atheism.

]]> By: randymacon http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372479 randymacon Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:35:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372479 <p>There are other people to whom John Yoo has administered pain. The non-coms at Abu Ghraib, and General Karpinski, were pilloried by the military brass, and received punishment ranging up to 10 years in prison. John Yoo and countless others stood by and let these people hang in the wind in order to protect their dirty secrets. Their trials and punishments should be revisited in light of this now public knowledge, and those who testified that these people acted without authorization need to be tried for perjury.<br /> Although the non-coms were guilty of crimes, the fact that they were induced, if not ordered, to commit them should have been weighed at the trial.<br /> John Yoo deserves to be tried by the world court, along with everyone in the chain up to and including George Bush. Perhaps then I could again hold my head up and say I’m proud to be an American.</p> There are other people to whom John Yoo has administered pain. The non-coms at Abu Ghraib, and General Karpinski, were pilloried by the military brass, and received punishment ranging up to 10 years in prison. John Yoo and countless others stood by and let these people hang in the wind in order to protect their dirty secrets. Their trials and punishments should be revisited in light of this now public knowledge, and those who testified that these people acted without authorization need to be tried for perjury.
Although the non-coms were guilty of crimes, the fact that they were induced, if not ordered, to commit them should have been weighed at the trial.
John Yoo deserves to be tried by the world court, along with everyone in the chain up to and including George Bush. Perhaps then I could again hold my head up and say I’m proud to be an American.

]]> By: LynnDee http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372452 LynnDee Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:03:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372452 <p>I’ve barely gotten started on this memo, but the first thing that struck me — on page 1 or 2 — is the ludicrousness of a government asserting necessity or self-defense as a justification for the planned torture of an individual.</p> <p>Just mind-boggling.</p> I’ve barely gotten started on this memo, but the first thing that struck me — on page 1 or 2 — is the ludicrousness of a government asserting necessity or self-defense as a justification for the planned torture of an individual.

Just mind-boggling.

]]> By: Minnesotachuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372442 Minnesotachuck Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:51:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372442 <p>LHP, for us unlawyerly types, this is an awesomely useful post. Thank you!</p> LHP, for us unlawyerly types, this is an awesomely useful post. Thank you!

]]> By: pmorlan http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372427 pmorlan Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:31:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372427 <p>I hope one day soon we will all be reading about massive anti-Yoo protests at Berkley. Sadly, so far…nothing.</p> I hope one day soon we will all be reading about massive anti-Yoo protests at Berkley. Sadly, so far…nothing.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372420 looseheadprop Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:24:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372420 <p>Jonathan Turley said as much on KO last night.In fact he said something that was verbatim wht I had written in an emial to a friend, so I think this feeling is pretty universal amoung us lawyers. At least the sane ones</p> Jonathan Turley said as much on KO last night.In fact he said something that was verbatim wht I had written in an emial to a friend, so I think this feeling is pretty universal amoung us lawyers. At least the sane ones

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372407 looseheadprop Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:14:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372407 <blockquote><p>Yoo’s seem to be the conclusions of a sociopath. </p></blockquote> <p>One of the things I found so upsetting about this memo, was the coldblodded tone. As if the writer cared no more for the sufferings of fellow humans than he would for insects. </p> <p>You know “sigh, regrettable, but what can you do?”</p> <p>It was the coldness, the lack of any humaity that really got to me</p>

Yoo’s seem to be the conclusions of a sociopath.

One of the things I found so upsetting about this memo, was the coldblodded tone. As if the writer cared no more for the sufferings of fellow humans than he would for insects.

You know “sigh, regrettable, but what can you do?”

It was the coldness, the lack of any humaity that really got to me

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372401 looseheadprop Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:09:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372401 <blockquote><p>In the past, as exemplified by some of our stellar successes in questioning high-value German prisoners in World War Two, it meant using persuasion, emotional appeals and intellectual gamesmanship instead of coercion or torture. The first produced information, some of which was valid. The latter produced more information faster, virtually none of which was valid.</p> </blockquote> <p>Not for nuthin’ but they send you to all knds of training classes when you work for the gov’t . One of the ones i sent to was on interviews and iterrogations. It invovled something called the “john Reed method”, and it was exactly as you describe.</p> <p>Harsh interrogation has produced nothing but spam. I have heard so many complaints from frustrated FBI agents about being forced to take time away from genuine leads , developed the old fashioned –legal — way, run run down these spam leads. It makes us less safe.</p> <p>I also agree with you second paragraph and add this. We have a president who took joy in blowing up frogs as a kid. enough said</p>

In the past, as exemplified by some of our stellar successes in questioning high-value German prisoners in World War Two, it meant using persuasion, emotional appeals and intellectual gamesmanship instead of coercion or torture. The first produced information, some of which was valid. The latter produced more information faster, virtually none of which was valid.

Not for nuthin’ but they send you to all knds of training classes when you work for the gov’t . One of the ones i sent to was on interviews and iterrogations. It invovled something called the “john Reed method”, and it was exactly as you describe.

Harsh interrogation has produced nothing but spam. I have heard so many complaints from frustrated FBI agents about being forced to take time away from genuine leads , developed the old fashioned –legal — way, run run down these spam leads. It makes us less safe.

I also agree with you second paragraph and add this. We have a president who took joy in blowing up frogs as a kid. enough said

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372393 looseheadprop Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:04:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372393 <p>You know what, you are right. So is he comment immediatly after yours. I stand corrected. Nice pick up</p> You know what, you are right. So is he comment immediatly after yours. I stand corrected. Nice pick up

]]> By: ralphbon http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372276 ralphbon Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:01:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/03/the-yoo-memo-time-to-stop-crying-and-get-to-work/#comment-1372276 <p>TomR </p> <p>Nicely done</p> TomR

Nicely done

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