Login HereOh this is helpful. Holy Joe goes on Fox News:
KELLY: So, OK, it goes on and on. What about Obama's refined position that McCain supports a 100 troop presence in Iraq is inaccurate?
LIEBERMAN: Well, I think that - let me say generally that Sen. Obama doesn't come to this debate with a lot of credibility. Basically on the question of Iraq, John McCain has had the guts to stand out on his own arguing for what he thought was right. And it turned out that he was right about the surge working to improve conditions in Iraq.
If we did what Sen. Obama wanted us to do last year, Al-Qaeda in Iran would be in control of Iraq today. The whole Middle East would be in turmoil and American security and credibility would be jeopardized.
On the specific question of the 100 years, I think that's an unfortunate example of the way Sen. Obama has used it, of playing political gotcha with a national security question.
If you look what Sen. McCain said in that exchange at the town hall meeting - I believe it was in New Hampshire -- he wasn't talking about a long war. He would like to see our troops, as many of them as possible, come home as soon as possible from Iraq. But the fact is, we're going to need, as we have after every conflict we have been in, World War II, Korea, et cetera. We're going to want to leave troops there to secure the peace that our soldiers have won.
It's clear that that's what he meant. Anybody who says that John McCain is for a 100-year war in Iraq is either not informed or is intentionally trying to mislead the public. And I think Sen. McCain appropriately responded to that today.
This is gold for McCain, having "liberal, bipartisan Democrat Joe Lieberman" standing by his side, trashing Obama on experience and national security credentials.
So I'll ask it again, to nobody in particular, and not that I expect an answer -- why didn't you fuckheads take him out when you had the chance?
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Jane!
I do love that al Qaeda in Iran thing.
Sadly, the question’s answer is: “Because we didn’t want Fox News and Rush Limbaugh to call us LIBERALS!”
I’m gonna get SO drunk when he cacks.
Do we get to call LIE-berman Judas? Or Brutus?
McCain is dangerous
Uhh, Joe, hello… AQ is Sunni and Arab, Iran is Shiite and Persian…!
{my ears are bleeding….}
Heh, I owe ya a Coke…! ;-)
i must have been sleeping. i didn’t see al qaeda move into iran.
In other words,
“noone wants to bring the troops home more than I do”
If the fucking public buys this shit again….
If the public buys it again, then we get the government we deserve.
I still believe we should get as down and dirty as the ‘Pukes will in the General and make damn sure we win.
We’re not surprised by this, right?
O/T Is anyone else watching this Hardball College Tour– Chris Matthew is ________
Of course its partially his own damn fault.
lawdy lawdy .. lol .. these guys .. ya know .. they can’t keep either their iran-iraq’s straight .. nor their shiite-sunnis either ..
plus .. i just love the way ol’ joe’s crystal ball works .. here he is lookin’ into and pronosticatin’ on what wudda happened “if this ..or fi that” .. thing is iirc .. the last time joe was makin’ predictions ’bout how things was goin’ to work out .. they kinda flopped ..and here we is in iraq yet … still ..ongoing .. stuck .. bogged ..
i hope one of two things .. either ol’ joe got himself a new crystal ball .. or got the old one fixed ..
and i dream .. and pray .. and look forward.. to the day that we quit ascribing “expertise” to all those whose bogus and totally inaccurate prognostications got us itnot the mess where we currently reside …
why do we STILL listen to these people .. or give them any credence .. it’s a mystery of the deepest sort to md ..
“Dangerous” indeed Teddy! As well as arrogant, ancient and angry. I cannot wait for the debates later this year cause I just know old John’s true persona and sense of entitledment will be clear to viewers of both parties.
dusting off an old chestnut:
“my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.”
How come whenever Hillary brings up something about Obama, she “trashing the DEM brand”, but Rape Gurney Joe can say anything he pleses to trash one of the two Dem front runners and that’s just peachy?
Joe’s not a Dem, hasn’t been on for ages.
exactly.
Good to see you, punaise.
Dear Holy Joe, you fucking ignorant media-slut: al-Qaeda is Sunni, Iran is Shia. Sunni and Shia are like oil and water or perhaps to put it in terms you might understand they’re like Dick Cheney and the Truth.
I guess when the first three letters of your last name is LIE you have to live up to your name.
Sincerely,
A Democrat who wishes you’d just STFU.
I’m glad Lieberman lost his superdelegate status for backing McCain, but really, is that the limit of the punishment he’s earned? I think not.
Uh guys? Isn’t that exactly what we have now? I’m just sayin’s all
“Al-Qaeda in Iran would be in control of Iraq today.”
He means exactly that…that Iran would be in control of Iraq…he just invented the AQ part to tie it together….this is the plan..to say that we have to stay in Iraq forever or Iran will overtake it.
He doesn’t give a shizzola about whether AQ is Sunni or Shia….next thing you know, he’ll they’ll be saying….no, no, no you don’t understand…AQ in Iran is Shia Al Qaeda.
This is pure wankery and manipulation…BS.
With friends like Lieberman, who needs enemas?
Help! You’ve got mail…
an a**h*le.
Looking for it…
I say they didn’t take him out for the same reason that they haven’t taken out any of the people who have refused to exercise their duty to protect the Constitution or keep the DOJ from political corruption by impeachment. Honestly, you’d think no one in this country ever heard of the option of “recall.” Unfortunately, we have a Congress that’s either just as corrupt or monumentally lazy!
Senility has always ruled the gop. King george just looked young so they caught a break. Folks had to be smarter than their car to realize he was demented from day one. You don’t find any young gop’ers with any power(unless they are outsiders bringing money, Ralphie Reed and Jacky A. It resembles the mafia in that way. You can have the power if you can kill the boss, and then keep it if you can beat down your rivals. But you can’t be a little gay white power reptilian religions money expert or a jewish lobbyist and really expect to get help from the old white hand now could you?
LIEBERMAN: Well, I think that - let me say generally that Sen. Obama doesn’t come to this debate with a lot of credibility.
Project much Liarman. The biggest steaming pile ever.
I think Tweety is falling for Obama…
…and then he goes on to tell us about how “Al Qaeda in Iran” would rule Iraq today if Obama had had his way. Really, now, who’s lecturing whom about credibility?
I have never quite figured out how an organization as small as Al-Qaeda could control a country as big as Iraq.
We don’t want Ralphie Reed on our team, oldtree, and you can’t make us take him without catching him in a wide stance!
And Al Qaeda in Iran is not exactly the biggest branch of the operation, now is it?
Let alone the sway al Qaida has over the greatest superpower the world has ever seen, and its ruling GOP!
Oh heavens, they are going to rule the world any minute…from a cave…with boxcutters….
You betcha. What other government so readily does exactly what AQ wants?
ewwww
He kept beating that race/gotcha drum a bit. Obama wouldn’t have any of it. As I read on another blog, he did some great ‘wonk fu’
LOL! And it’s making the GoOPers and Holy Joe wet their nappies 24/7/365 doncha know?
can you tell if his leg was tinglin’?
This is who the Pukes, while in control of the most powerful nation in the world, with the most dangerous weapons ever made, with the most money (used to be before they f’d it all up), with the biggest….oh shizzola…this is who has brought the GOP to its knees…bugga forkin’ bugga….
Oh, Puhleeze:
http://www.robert-fisk.com/laden_3.jpg
Yeah, Obama is so slick, he said I’m the best candidate to go up against McLame and show a real contrast. Hahahahahaha…
Which leg?
the left, of course. the right is saved for McCain :)
Agreed, Liarman has no credibility. What does that say for so called party leadership that does nothing about him. My contempt for Harry and Pelosi is growing by leaps and bounds.
Remember our unemployment discussion last night? I found this article this morning & I thought you would appreciate it! It goes right along with your contention that the official numbers are BS.
So. When Al Qaeda takes over America and the rest of the world, do we get to go shopping for burqa’s? Do they come in all colors or will OBL make us wear a certain color? Oh, well…I suppose Wal-Mart will carry them…Ahhhh….shopping.
Oh goddess, but I really, really hate that man. Ditto what Jane said.
The celebration will be monumental when they finally boot his short-ride ass out of the caucus, and the day he is no longer an elected official? Even bigger celebration.
Does he truly have *credibility* with the Faux Nooze crowd?
can’t wait to tie-dye mine
Now why aren’t the MSM folks talking more about the nonsense being talked about Iran/Iraq and McCain. People are dying and these asses would rather parse Obama’s words than McCain’s baffling bullshit
Hey, it’s never too late to take him out.
I say strip him of his committee and throw his jowly ass out. Feh, enough of this crap.
Isn’t that setting the bar pretty low?
David GOPery is now tearing BO down, of course…
Do they have daytime and evening wear burqas? I would like to be able to go from day to evening without having to change burqas
“jowly ass”….
Mwahahahhaa…ewwwwww….
Exactly. Liarman says BO has no credibility. What about McIsane not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shite? He didn’t just misspeak about it once, he repeated it at least 4 times.
I’ve said it before, something abut that man gives me the heebeejeebees. I think it’s his jokeresque mouth (really from ear to ear)
Just add pearls
Would a double strand be too much?
Joe Lieberman. A man who forever will have his name associated with antisemitism.
good evening…are we still living in….. 1 9 8 4?
I’m sure they do…actually….come to think of it…I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever…seen a picture of the “Al Qaeda women”!!!…hmmmm…what’s up with that???? I’m not talkin’ Taliban…I’m talkin’ AQ…just men…never seen a woman…..nowhere no how.
Are you talking about David Vitter?
long ropes of them. Small pearls, nothing too flashy.
Sadly yes, Sadly yes….
My word association with Liarman is “flaccid”…and “fake”
true I haven’t either but that may have to do with the fact that they are fighters from outside of Iraq as opposed to the home grown sort.
Hmm yes i supposed flashy would be get-the-shit-beat-out-of-me-taliban-bad
Guess what, Holy Joe, you sanctimonious bastard — Barack Obama also had the guts to stand out on his own arguing for what he thought was right. And unlike McCain, he actually was right.
Lieberman and “flaccid” in the same sentence is stomach-turning.
brain bleach, stat!!!!
There is no recall for federal officials. They’re governed by the Constitution, not state law, so states can’t make laws allowing them to be recalled.
I want to see Jane and Marcy “liveblog” the Lieberman Cheney VP debates from 8 years ago, a la Mystery Science Theater 3000.
I’m talkin’ about “Saudi Arabian” Al Qaeda, Osama B. Ladin…I don’t believe there is such a thing as AQ in Iraq…There are resistance fighters from Iraq in Iraq and Sunni fighters from Saudi Arabia (supported by the US) in Iraq (unaffiliated with OBL)..and probably sympathizers to the resistance from Syria, etc….but….someone went to the town where “Zarqawi” (head of AQ in Iraq) supposedly came from in Jordan, and he was a myth. No one knew him…a legend…a myth…
Among other the other bed-wetting infants in the GOP, yes.
Bingo.
If you have, or once had, a (D) next to your name, you automatically get it if you attack Democrats.
There was NO Al Qaeda of any affiliation in Iraq before we illegally invaded and occupied it.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Talking Points Lieberman, mouthpiece of the GOP. He is just a moderate Gop’er now in all but name. He is not very original in his comments neither. At least Spitzer paid his prostitute.
I do not understand what Lieberman’s game here is? What’s he hoping to get out of trotting along after McCain? He want to be the Republican VP candidate? Otherwise I see no logic here.
Can someone please tell Lieberman that Zell Miller was left high and dry after his speech. He’ll be a man without a party.
ahhhhhhh. Well the women are horribly oppressed in Sauid arabia (can’t walk out in public witout a male escort) so i would not expect or even think that they would be okay with women fighters (but I could be totally off here)
agreed AQ definitely from outside the country and there are the nationalist (I’m saying Sadr) fighters. Bascially we are backing one group of shias against another…fab, no? Factor in the extremist sunnis and secular sunnis (nationalist) and hell…
Zarqawi a myth? I hadn’t read about that, you have a link? I would love to read up on that.
Pretty soon, we’ll be hearing….
Al Qaeda in Alabama
Al Qaeda in Ireland
Al Qaeda in Finland
It is really stupid.
the other group of shias being Maliki & gov’t
More like SecDef or State. Doubt if the Goopers would stand for him as a Veep nominee.
No one is misleading the public more than Lieberman…A week ago at a press conference he whipered in McCain’s ear that there were no Al Qaeda in Iran, but extremists.. Today when it suited his interest he repeats that lie…
O/T : Bernanke says recession is possible
possible? ok shit for brains.
So he must actually believe the republicans are going to win? Or this is his last hope, given the bridges he has burned with the dems?
Yes.
I have relatives visiting, but I wanted to say:
Scooter was convicted
Dusty was indicted
Cookie resigned in disgrace
Anyone want a nickname?
I’ll have to look for it, I don’t have the link anymore, since I’ve lost my bookmarks about 10 times, but I will try to track it down…it was a very interesting story where an investigative journalist went to his hometown and interviewed a bunch of people…
Re: Saudi Arabian women….I don’t know what there situation is in reality…I doubt very much that Bandar Bush’s wife and family female members are not allowed to go out or whatever, or forced to do anything…in fact, his wife gave money to a charity that purportedly supported the events of 9/11 or something like that….but, I was talking about the Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden AQ…the guys the GOP is terrified of..the guys that live in a cave….that AQ…I’ve never seen any women in any footage or in any reference…other than Bin Laden’s family members…but they aren’t AQ…they are just Saudi citizens…
Exactly!!! On purpose.
He also said that a recession is usually “identified” after the fact…D’Oh.
I think we should start calling Liarman…Joker.
I’m wondering why bush was saying Clinton handed him a recession in 2001, but now when things are much worse it’s not a recession.
He’s in with teh in crowd…he probably knows something’s gonna happen that is gonna change reality prior to November…and he’s betting that the Pukes will look all macho and all….Wrong!!!
Bernake said today that it’s premature to call it a recession. Said that more information at a later date will make things clearer. Like November 9th. Bernake, just another functionary in the Republiklan regime.
Sorry, we tried.
Are you sure?
I want a burqa with red-white-and-blue vertical stripes. Or pink with purple polka dots. (What the well-dressed dissident should wear to demonstrations?)
JoeL is such a tool, like a dull knife. Useful to fools and McSame, but not anyone with any sense.
I wish someone would ask why they were saying the economy was in recession in 2001.
On a funny note Bernake reminds me of one of the old men in the balcony on the Muppets.
Give lieberman a flak jacket and a Colt 45 and air drop him into Falujah.
NewsHour on the Yoo memo now
Pretty sure. The Bin Laden family is a very wealthy Saudi family, but they were not involved in fighting in Afghanistan on the ground against the Russians and paid by the CIA in the same manner that Osama was. Just sayin’. They are the “elite”.
The citizens of Connecticut must be so proud.
Lichtblau
Please, let’s not insult Statler or Waldorf! ;-)
I understand but I think that two are tied together (view of women’s social roles) both Saudi Arabia and AQ (in terms of a group) have extremist views of social roles (men and women) and they are oppressive (for women).
only the INVISIBLE people are in a recession,have been since gas went over 2 bux…prolly 50 % of MERIKA
you so cute”g”
but you can believe that he is still supported by some aspect of the family but from what i remember, there is/was a growing grumbling about the royal family and mumurs (maybe louder than a murmer) for the overthrow of the ruling family because they allowed american bases on holy ground
I find this thread really depressing. Because there’s nothing we can do about Holy Joe. As long as the people of Conn feel he’s the best choice, he’s going to be in the senate with quite a bit of seniority.
And nothing will happen to him now, either. Besides benefiting McBush, Holy Joe is also helping Hillary, though unintentionally. The idea that a senate fairly evenly split between Hillary & Obama supporters would take action against him is not rational.
We need to ask the citizens of Conn (forgive me, I CAN’T spell it) for help. And we need to help them with a blograiser as soon as they pick a challenger better than Holy Joe.
Boxturtle (And that shouldn’t be that difficult)
After looking it up, only Statler was insulted… :-(
1,799 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“…why didn’t you fuckheads take him out when you had the chance?”
Because, dear heart, he represents the corporate, DLC, Clinton Democratic Party…they didn’t take ‘im out ‘cuz he IS the old institutionalized Democratic Party. The exposure of the complete corporate ownership of the old Democratic establishment is one of the MANY good things to come out of the scorched earth, Kamikaze tactics of Mrs. Clinton. The longer this primary goez on, the more new, committed Democrats join the party from the “larger” states that are s’posed ta be pastures for the corporate establishment. The longer this primary goez on the more Clinton’s base of middle class white women and old line, corporate Democrats shrinks and the larger Obama’s base in the new Democratic Party grows. And, finally, the longer this primary goez, the more isolated are the Clinton fascists in BOTH parties from the mass of the newly energized voting base.
Let Lik*derman be Lik*derman and Clinton be Clinton…it’s all good and will sort itself out with new leadership in the new Congress and Senate in January of 2009.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION BUT HOLD YER FIRE UNTIL THEY’RE DONE SHOOTIN’ THEMSELVES UP!!
Holy Joe will be tossed aside as soon as the republican convention ends. He’ll be a man without a party and without a role.
And we should all cheer and be joyful about that prospect.
There has long been much more than a murmur of discontent against the Royal Family. They have had to be repressive to maintain control & the people would revolt in an instant, should the opportunity arise. The inequality is stark in SA.
Well… Good thing Obama wasn’t President last year because it’s just peachy over there right now.
How do the interviewers keep a straight face? Oh yeah… Truth doesn’t matter to them. Just the “get”.
thanks for the info and correcting me, I didn’t trust my recall on the matter or the royal family’s response
All Democrats should have talking points prepared and memorized so when they find themselves anywhere near a microphone for any reason they’re able to take some good swings at these bullsh*t republican statements that we know are going to get more airplay than they deserve. Whether they’re for Hillary or Obama they need to always take a shot at McCain or his lackeys.
OK LURKIN’ MODERATOR LET’S GO DOWN TA THE MAT HERE…POST MY FUCKIN’ COMMENT AND WE’LL DUKE IT OUT IN PUBLIC!!
i just thought of it…Liarman has IRAQ eligible CHILDREN,why are they NOT serving…lets ask him,over and over and over again!!!
ya know, the best thing about election 08, if we win as big as we think we’re gonna win, is going to be stripping Joe lieberman of his committee chairmanships and assignments.
he should be treated as a freshman senator, which he is: he gave up any seniority when he joined his new make-pretend party (the one he got thrown out of).
Firepup Freedom Fighters:
My comments today have been arbitrarily censored NOT for obscenity or libel but for usin’ a combination of Mrs. Clinton and John McCain to characterize Mrs. Clinton. This is a construct I have used for a number of weeks and went to the mat with Christy over it…I support editing and censorship for libel,slander and obcenity but to edit content based on personal political sensitivities is CENSORSHIP that is certainly not in the character of Firedoglake.
KEEP THE FAITH AND LET’S TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC…WE’RE DEMOCRATS NOT FASCISTS!!
throw him out of the party the day before the Republican convention. Then he’ll lose his entire reason for being.
Sure you have a disadvantage from August through December, but he really does muddy the waters in voters’ minds.
Or as Leona Hemsley would have said, “the little people.”
That is right. It is the inequality of classes. The upperclass women are not repressed in the manner that the lower class women are. I had some Saudi friends, and they were very educated and just like anyone you know over here, except…she wore a burqa to the grocery store, but underneath she had on jeans, makeup, perfume…the whole shebang and everything else, and at home she never wore it…they have a tradition of not letting “other” men see them without the cover or touch them, but they consider that sexy…that’s what they told me. They partied bigtime. But they were connected. OBL and his group are rebels. They hate the Saudi upperclass, even though that is his heritage.
yup,people are hurting badly,only the blind cant see
i sympathize,but it is their site.sorry ,but we understand how you feel!
I don’t think anyone makes my skin crawl quite like LIEberman.
.
By which Jane means “take him out of office” as opposed to some other “take him out” expression. The FDL rules are and have always been: No threats of violence.
Priceless Jo!
thx. flamer for telling it like it is.
Clinton’s and the DLC really screwed the party up, losing huge percentages of the population while pushing corporate friendly globalized inequality. Hardly a difference from the Bushes.
Now I say to John McCain…please take Joe Lieberman as your mate. Please, take him out of the Senate. (knowing Joe though he’ll pull a John Kerry and keep his Senate seat while running for higher office…)
McCAIN VS. OBAMA ON IRAQ
Dear Joe,
You can lie all you want, but John McCain clearly said he was prepared for us to have American troops in Iraq for the “next hundred years.” You can claim he misspoke as he did in Jordan when you had to whisper in his ear that Iran was not training “al-Queda” as he said, but rather, Shiite “extremists”. Big difference. And this bozo is supposed to be a “foreign policy” expert? And he doesn’t know the difference between Sunnis and Shias? He’s as dangerously idiotic as George W. Bush himself.
Sorry, old buddy, but you’re going to have to be in bed with John and Cindy to whisper in his ear at 3 a.m.
It may be awkward, but it’s definitely necessary when you’ve got someone like John McCain, who is clearly approaching senility, even if not yet with full-blown Alzheimer’s. He’s clearly “whacko” though.
And you’re backing a crazy man?
Hey, Harry Reid, how’s that kissing Joe Liberman’s ass thing working out for you?
It is funny how we tend to confuse prediction with fact. The same prediction was made about Vietnam (the similarities between Vietnam and Iraq are astounding)if you are old enough to recall. We were told if we left Vietnam other Asian nations would come under communist influence. It was a so-called domino theory.
The recent excursion into Basra demonstrates the Iraqis are not totally stupid. Revenge is high on their list which means an American withdrawal means people will get killed. My prediction is things will settle down sooner rather than later. No one, contemplating Vietnam, ever dreamed seven to ten years later they’d be making Nike sneaks for us to buy. Chances are, Lieberman’s prediction of doom is equally incorrect, but no matter. It is a chance we must take.
“why didn’t you fuckheads take him out when you had the chance?”
Because this is what the democratic party does best; appease, compromise, roll-over, give up, quit and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah, it is all the Clinton’s fault. They even twisted St. Gore’s arm to pick Lieberman as a running mate.