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Looks like the 100 years in Iraq thing isn't polling so well for McCain:
After weeks of dismissing these statements, McCain's advisors went on the attack this week, hoping to turn the episode into an opening to impugn Obama's credibility. "It's absolutely dishonest," Schmidt said, an adjective he repeatedly invoked. "It's old style Chicago politics. I guess that is how they play politics in Chicago," he said at another point. He even offered some faint praise, before sticking in the knife. "Sen. Obama has done the country a great service in this 100 year comment," Schmidt said, "because now the American people have the information they need to know that he is being dishonest."
They're doing a swift tango here on the head of a pin, trying to prove that having a "military presence" in Iraq would be fundamentally different than being at war. It's magical thinking, the notion being that after having launched an imperialistic war based on lies that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq we can just kind of hang out and chill and all be buds or something.
It's ironic that they're calling Obama dishonest in the situation. The idea that they're happy everyone keeps dredging this up is, shall we say, less than sincere. They've sent out six press releases pushing back on the use of the phrase by Dean, Obama and Clinton, and it's leaving a big, fat, inflamed welt mark on the entire campaign -- and they know it.
You can just see the comm guys wincing and rubbing their temples when he cut loose with that one. "Elmer Fudd does it again..."
They're gonna have a long, wild 8 months of it, I do believe.
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So?
Obama has seen this side of McCain before, IIRC on the first piece of legislation they co-sponsored.
Played the same too
I’ll look for references
They are going to be soooo up against the ropes on this one for 100 years.
BTW, did you hear that McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years??? Can’t repeat it often enough.
great pic…a strawman Don Quixote
war profits are not desiminated….a few famlies keep it all
You can say that again!
give em 100 years of hell
I heard that John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years.
by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient
Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired
About the Author
CHAPTER ONE
WAR IS A RACKET
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.
Well, yes, but eminently doable with the right amount of pixie dust.
There aren’t enough pixies in the world to help St. John with that one.
Besides, Bush has the market on pixie dust cornered, and he ain’t sharing.
So when are members of mainstream media going to follow up on the testimony of Army Vice Chief of Staff General Richard Cody before the Senate Armed Forces Committee, which implies that our defenses are dangerously close to an imminent breaking point, and ask Presidential candidate McCain given the current strength of our armed forces and the endless commitment he proposes is he going to institute the draft and raise taxes in order to keep his promise to the American people for war without end?
As soon as they attack Syria and Iran, will he say we have to stay there too for a 100 years? You betcha.
Wait till the Puke voters wake up and realize what’s brewing in the M.E….
I have an idea….buy McBush a one-way ticket to Baghdad and let him just stay there…
This just in:
“John McCain wants to permanantly root troops in Bagdhad forever as well as institute a large scale draft that would not include children of the wealthy” Pass it on.
Sucks to have an idiot for a candidate. At least when Bush ran in 2000 he was smart enough to lie about what his policies would be if he got into office. McCain’s going to keep making stupid remarks that undercut his campaign because he believes his own PR BS about being a straight-talkin’ fella who never trucks in BS. Just wait till he has to answer for his votes on all kinds of wingnut social policy.
OK, then Obama should explain to the public that McSame McCain’s comments are so confused, uninformed and self-contradictory that it is difficult to figure out what he is saying.
I think McCain re-interpreted his 100 to 10,000 year war comment to mean that the US should stay and fight until things in Iraq are just the way we like them, and then we should stay forever. That may be like tacking 100 to 10,000 years on to the end of infinity, but whatever. Anything to keep the blood and money flowing for no clear purpose, other than meaningless empty headed, stupid but tough sounding phrases that include the words ‘will’ and ‘resolve’.
Foreign affairs as 2nd grade sandbox bullying.
That works for me as an accurate statement of McSame McCain’s policy.
McCain casually said there would be “more wars” too…around the same time he said that the US should remain in Iraq for 100 years.
McCain voted against the Martin Luther King holiday.
Hi all, re; possible attack on Iran…
Has the UN started pulling back observers/monitors etc?
Before little Schmidt, I heard Karl Rove make a similar statement before young Repugs about how the Dems changed the meaning of what McCain really said. He didn’t really say or mean we would be at war for 100 years. Huh! I must have a hearing problem. With my own little ears (very good hearing) I heard McCain addressing a question about the war in Iraq and how long would we be there.
McCain was clear we were there to win no matter how many years it took (and he showed his math skills by listing in ten digits number possibilities) or 100 years. You mean he really meant something else?
Well, the onus of communication is on the communicator not the receiver. It’s up to the person “communicating” to make it clear for others to understand his/her meaning. Karl was reconfiguring what McCain said and now the mouth pieces are babbling the same.
This is snark, I take it.
ummmm, nevah?
100 years in the middle of 3 factions fighting a Civil War? Like eternal Northern Ireland–and they thought they had Troubles….
That Chicago gang meme has been coming out of the Clinton camp, too. Maybe they’re coordinating their remarks hoping to get to a “civilized” general election. I dunno, I still go with Sean…the Chicago Way….
Prairie Today: Blindered Loyalty
This was never more clearer to me than when I watched the Frontline special, Bad Voodoo’s War, last night. There are our men and women being used to fatten the pockets of war profiteers.
Our best bet is to use McCain’s own words, gaffes, flubs, etc against him in the general election. Play those clips over and over and over again
Orwell must be spinning in his grave!
“Well, the onus of communication is on the communicator not the receiver. It’s up to the person “communicating” to make it clear for others to understand his/her meaning. Karl was reconfiguring what McCain said and now the mouth pieces are babbling the same.”
“If you can’t blind them with brilliance, baffle ‘em with bullshit.”
(I don’t know who said it first, but I’ve never forgotten that line.)
The corporate media will spin this story so that the McCain is given a pass and Obama will be cast as disengenuous. The media is pivoting on a dime to carry water for another Republican administration. Today gas was $3.39 here with no fuel alternatives, no mass transit and crumbling roads and bridges. Another great day for Republicans.
We can’t fault ol’ mcstray. He is doing the best standup impersonation of the idiot king he knows how. It is all he has, poor thing. He will be disqualified for the presidency on 2 counts of election violation now, and who knows what he will be indicted for if we have any real USA’s left.
Boxer is surprised to learn that Iraqi police are thugs for local factions.
Oh hell no !! Just heard him say it on CNN. Pass it on please.
That is a great line which reminds me of another.
Just keep telling them it will trickle down and then talk about abortion.
And Obama gets another boost in ratings after this comment ;)
Hopefully! I have some faith that most see the sheer hypocrisy of their words…!
Yeah, it sort of makes you wonder what rock these Senators have been living under for the last several years and what the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has been up to during that time.
“We must increase the size of our military, and much more so than we have done to date,” McCain will say, according to the excerpts. “It is an urgent priority.”
While reiterating his opposition to bringing back military conscription, McCain said strengthening U.S. armed forces “is going to require greater numbers of Americans to serve than have recently showed a willingness to do.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....refer=home
I would love to agree with you all….but….I don’t know…do we really want the President of The United States to be someone who can’t bowl?
‘Xactly.
So is he proposing a return to the draft? Or that this will just happen magically?
Err… One teensy prob… The military has serious recruiting issues already, barring a draft, where will they come from? Hmmm…?
Is it getting drafty in here?
What was the timeline projected for the $3 trillion estimate? What does it go to for 100 years more? I guess it must get to be a positive cash flow situation after Rumsfeld’s 10 years of insurgency are over and the flowers and candy phase starts.
I’m more concerned with his ability to play lawn tennis (badmiton).
As I understand the $3 trillion, it includes whatever future costs we know will occur, given current circumstances. For example, the cost of disabled military for thier entire lives, at whatever the need is. I think there was no discounting to put it into current value.
The lameness of their pushback shows you how good Wolfson is at being nasty.
so when is someone gonna photoshop Huckleberry as Esperanza and Shortride as Sancho Panza ???
a long 8 months indeed -
let’s start with “I hate the gooks” and refusal to apologize - his later dissembling on this is target rich for the Dems
- and the hell with his 100 years gibberish - anyone wading through all 7 pages of his trenchant prose in Foreign Affairs will find call after call for bigger, costlier govt -
some of the lowlights -
- increase military from 750K to 900K
- create an Army Advisory Corps with 20,000 soldiers to partner with militaries abroad,
- also need a nonmilitary deployable police force to train foreign forces and help maintain law and order in places threatened by state collapse.
- increase the number of U.S. personnel available to engage in Special Forces operations,
- I will set up a new agency patterned after the erstwhile Office of Strategic Services.
-I will work with Congress to create a new independent agency with the sole purpose of getting America’s message to the world
verrry presidential and verrry big government
plus, there’s a whole internet out there pointing up the various, um, discrepancies in all his and Salter’s books
yummy
OT..
Hmmm, computer based teaching system…Paging Neil Bush?????
‘In a federal indictment handed up Wednesday, Mose Jefferson is accused of giving $140,000 to help secure about $14 million in contracts to bring a computer-based teaching system to Orleans Parish schools. He is charged with bribery, money laundering and obstruction of justice.’
http://www.examiner.com/a-1316.....icted.html
Hmmm… Tweety’s live with Obama at West Chester U….!
When military service becomes the only way to put food on your family in another Depression, their recruiting woes may end.
Blackwater, anybody?
Isn’t that what the CIA’s Directorate of Operations does already?
I personally prefer “dainty” bowling styles.
Simple answer, Never!
oh yeah, there’s tons of stuff out here -
funny how that rugged individualist © continually calls for greater govt intrusion
funny how that rugged individualist © continually calls for greater govt intrusion
In all the wrong areas, how about a little intrusion into the Financial services through regulation and oversight…
Good to see REM is supporting the cause here, such nice boys!
Hey, Mi Amigo! Can you drop me a line at tuttlehiloatmsndotcom…? 8-)
Watching Obama live at the moment on Tweedy I am struck by the seediness of Matthews’ persona compared to his guest, who surely is fatiqued yet relaxed. focused and articulate as ever.
Remeber our unemployment discussion last night? I found this article this morning & I thought you would appreciate it!
Anyone else here considered the implications of us being in a foreign country for 100 years that is NOT a war? N ow that’s Johnny McFlounder’s latest pledge to infamy, and it just put him in the New American Imperial court.
We went there supposedly to have a war, what possible logic is there, other than emperialism, that would keep us there for 100 years when there ISN’T a war? He won’t say it this way, but doesn’t that whole framing make us occupiers, not liberators?
To be brutally honest, if we were really at woar for 100 years, it would justify staying there. But if it isn’t war, why on earth would we stay, if not for imperial reasons?