Mr. Obama’s effort to master a plain-spoken and blunt language that extends back centuries in Pennsylvania is accompanied by no small stakes. Voters here, as in neighboring Ohio, where Mr. Obama lost the white and aging blue-collar vote, tend to elect politicians whose language rarely soars and whose policy prescriptions come studded with detail.
“The problem with talking about hope all the time is that these are not hopeful lands; Obama is talking change to people who equate change with life getting worse,” said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic Party consultant who has studied the political culture of these working-class states with a Talmudic intensity.
Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama’s Democratic rival, has studied this argot. Her style of declamation tends toward that of the school valedictorian, but she grounds her talks in detail after detail after detail — her plan for stanching foreclosures, for tuberculosis, for tax breaks and so on and on, every program coming with a precise dollar sign attached.
A thrill these talks are not, but G. Terry Madonna, director of the Center for Politics and Public Affairs at Franklin & Marshall College, noted that politics that attended to the precarious details of life could provide comfort to the hard-pressed.
“If you’re an unemployed steelworker, a former coal miner, you want to know about job training, who pays your health care,” Dr. Madonna said. “Obama’s speeches are uplifting but without much specificity, and that’s a tough sell for working people who don’t live in a world of ideas.”
News flash, Sherlock -- politicians always tailor their messages to their audiences. You know, politicking. Because they are...wait for it...politicians. If they don't do so, they generally lose. And they don't like that.
Further, if you think hope can't be a powerful tool, then you weren't paying attention to the persuasive pull that John Edwards had during the 2004 campaign with blue collar folks. Or that John Kennedy had here in the land of blue collar voters during the 1960 campaign -- which is still regarded as one of the finest political outreach campaigns ever waged in a presidential race here in WV. (Truly, some folks still keep photos of Kennedy on their wall. I kid you not.)
People here are practical precisely because they have to be -- soaring rhetoric on hope has to be tempered with realistic plans to make it happen. Because you can't survive on hope alone, and anyone who has to struggle to make ends meet knows that all too well.
But that's just common sense, kitchen table politics no matter where you are running. Just because we live in a rural area doesn't mean we're simple. And it doesn't make us any different from any blue collar voters in any other part of the country. So stop writing us up as exotic rubes from the wayback machine -- it's insulting, and it's appalling that somehow wanting both specifics on plans and lofty goals that inspire at the same time seems so foreign to you. It does, however, say a lot to me about the state of journalism these days.
There are real questions about whether Obama can win over the Archie Bunker voters in the Democratic party, whether Clinton has them at all, or whether they will stick to McCain like glue. But ginning up the debate on this solely as a "changing rhetoric" discussion? That's just another elitist strawman waiting to be blown over.
We here in the hinterlands have dictionaries and thesauruses, too. We're just smart enough not to use them for self-esteem boosters, and instead get down to more important business like tackling poverty or job loss or health care or whatever else is on our increasingly troubled plates. Real world Americans are interested in the things that impact their daily lives...not esoteric discussions on vocabulary choice and Luntzian bargains. Isn't it time the media learned that lesson, too, instead of playing right into the consultancy's bread and butter?
(YouTube of JFK speaking in WV during the 1960 primary.)
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So, Christy!
CHS!
can we just collectively bend them over and kick them all in the ass? I’m not a violent person but damn if I’m not from a little town called, fresh-off-a-fucker’s-ass and these MSM fools are making me homesick.
Evening Miss Christy
Christy thanks fer stickin’ up fer us hicks
And thanks for the video find — nice.
Bush makes Archie Bunker look like a rocket scientist.
Our form of government is
a. a mediacrity
b. a consultantocracy
c. a Roamin’ circus
d. a kleptocracy
e. a democracy
Bob in HI
The tone of this article just torqued me when I read it — as if every politician everywhere hasn’t tailored a speech to the audience hearing it, time and time again. And as if those of us who live in blue collar American are too damned ignorant to understand something hopeful versus something practical…and the need for both depending on the circumstances and the issue.
But hey, we’re just a bunch of goobers hoping for freebie campaign emory boards and pencils, right?
I loved this video when I found it — how cool to find something like this so many years later, eh?
It always amazes me, the way these people have their fingers on the pulse of us, the simple American folk. The commoners. The working class. The great unwashed. Not. As my hero, Bugs, would say, “What an ultra-maroon!”
Interesting that in the video a good portion is Kennedy talking about his ability to uphold the Consititution, a question concerning his Catholic up bringing.
Remember, Christy, at several times over the past fifty years, New York City has tried to remove itself from upstate New York…despite the fact that we’re where all their water comes from.
Speak to the concerns of your audience. Speak clearly, look good and don’t condescend.
Some things never change.
CHS, total agreement.
I’m also inclined to believe they’ve never heard Obama speak, or at least not really *listened.* Yes, it is soaring at times, but when he spoke to a packed crowd in Idaho (not exactly non-hicksville) he mentioned some pretty specific things to go along with the calls for hope. He also challenges his audiences to participate in making things better, not just “have hope” whether he is calling on parents to turn off the tv or college students to do community service in return for education assistance.
I’m not trying to knock Hillary here, I just think this tone, and the dismissal of Obmama as being “all platitudes” is pretty insulting to real people with real problems who care more about that then how well he does bowling.
But whom shall we bicoastal elites look down upon then?
Hi, Christy and all
Personally I’m getting more than a little tired of being told by various ‘media tools’, politicans and others, that I just cannot/don’t understand what is happening in the ‘real world’ Bullshit…..
The Bush Administration?
Amen! Especially when it’s obvious that they, themselves, don’t have a clue.
I don’t understand why we shouldn’t have hope. The bush adminstration has used it as a war strategy. They’ve been hoping the Iraqi’s would give up their oil for 5 years now.
Well the Repubs have used “values” as an issue when the people who voted did so against their own economic interests - Who cares about jobs when we gotta keep the gays from marrying?
You know, it isn’t as though having an exceptional vocabulary and using it well isn’t a plus, because it is. But this entire piece smacked of such condescending bullshit, I just had to comment on it today. Who says “studied this argot” or “style of declamation” in two consecutive sentences unless they are fishing for a Safire “On Language” notice, fer hell’s sakes?
I really don’t understand that thought process. How could anyone not stop and think about how much that one issue is going to affect their lives directly? It never ceases to amaze me.
Gotta have priorities! My family may starve, but we’ll be righteous in our need…
btw, George Will has a fabulous vocabulary & he is still full of shit.
It’s no Swedish Spaghetti Harvest, but I did a special banner in honor of April Fool’s Day.
yep
them big ideeers are fer big city folk
(who cannot understand the details of concrete policy)
This pisses me off too..
‘The Defense Department has announced a new get-tough policy with colleges and universities that interfere with the work of military recruiters and Reserve Officer Training Corps programs.
Under rules that will take effect April 28, defense officials said they want the exact same access to student directories that is provided to all other prospective employers.’
http://www.marinecorpstimes.co.....s_033108w/
Call in the squad squad
This goes to the attitude that we are surperior to them because we can marry and they can’t, or whatever. Most people like to think they are better than someone else. Unfortunately many church folk are told by their leadership that they are the Saved and everyone else is going to San Francisco or some such place. Makes it easier to get them to vote against gay marriage and ignore bread & butter issues.
It is so windy here this evening — it is howling through the trees outside. Looks like it is going to pour the rain down any second, too. No wonder the birdies have been stuffing their beaks the last hour or so…
Funny you should mention that. When the economic outlook was brought up just about a half hour ago on David Shuster’s new show, damned if Scarborough wasn’t very careful to point out that the stock market recovered by over 400 points today and that unemployment is still at less than 5%. (He didn’t mention that many of those that are working are working poor, can’t afford to take care of their families unless they take on more than one job…each for two parent families.) Yet just now, Chris Matthews on Hardball said, in his big number segment, that 79% of the people expect that things are going to get a lot worse. It’s like we have a schizophrenic press. There are so many differing opinions out there, no one knows who to listen to about what, if anything or anyone. Puts me in mind of what Harry Truman reportedly said about economists: “If you put them all together and laid them end to end, they’d point in all directions!”
They keep missing a fundamental point — the folks who are doing well are still doing well, but folks at the mid-point or below? They are barely treading water or worse at this point because wages have stayed so stagnant in the bottom portion of wage-earners especially while costs on basic necessities have skyrocketed. Gas prices go up, even if they don’t have a car, they pay more for groceries and utilities and any other commodity that might need transport and/or depend on an oil or gas product. But people who are doing well have seen their wages increase all along, so they have no idea what it’s been like for “the other half” especially if they haven’t done any volunteer work or talked with folks who are struggling. And I wonder how frequently Scarborough does something like that?
Christy,
I always love your posts, because my values must come from the same place as yours.
My first impression was that the NYT article was trying to make a claim that Pennsylvania rubes were somehow different from other rubes. But maybe not.
My second attempt to salvage something sensible from the article is that they are claiming that rubes in general (I’m descended from multiple lines of rubes) tend to be more focussed on where the food to feed the kids tomorrow is going to come from, than discussion of abstract concepts. I don’t think that means that rubes are great lovers of ponderous position papers; rather, I think it refers to a pragmatic streak favoring something that will *work*.
But Obama’s gospel of hope should play well, too, because hoping that food for tomorrow will be forthcoming, even if it doesn’t look like it today, is important to get folks up in the morning. Populists have often sung that song.
But then why should we expect the sophisticated, urbane city-slickers of the NYT to understand that?
Maybe what we need is a Chairman Mao-type plan whereby every reporter and opinionater for the NYT has to spend at least 3 months per year working (not vacationing) in a town with a population of less than 10,000. I mean where they can’t just take their habitual cocoon with them. What would the appropriate ground rules for such rural encounters? Would it help any?
Bob in HI
I will never believe the unemployment number is accurate. I know that eCAHN says it is right and I must admit she has forgotten more than I will ever know about the field, but common sense indicates the way that it is calculated omits a whole chunk of the population. Perhaps it is only my perception of common sense, I have certainly been out of work longer than my unemployment benefits lasted, the last occasion was in 1996. I was damn sure unemployed, whether the Government thought I was or not!
Christy,
This post with the video(which made me tear up) is a great message to the elitist press. Us rubes are proud of you and the rule of law.
If the DoD would stop violating the schools’ and universities’ non-discrimination policies, this entire kerfuffle over access to employable youth would end. DoD needs to understand that because they are not an equal employment opportunity employer, with respect to sexual orientation, that there will always be organizations more enlightened than them who have policies that forbid the presence of those that discriminate.
Stop discriminating, and you’ll get access to all the cannon fodder you want.
Today was like a warm windy beach day on Cape Cod here — gusty but very sunny. Smelled like the sea, as well.
God ,
I wish for someone to utter and observe their oath to the constitution as many times as JFK in the video.
Hey Rube! Don’t cha know the gays are goin’ take yer church socials over and them foreigners are going to take yer jobs and marry yer daughteres?! You need to be right about this and vote McCain who protect ya’ll fom all that funny stuff that is un-American.
Goodbye, Rube-y Newsday
Who could hang the blame on you?
When you change with every new day
Still I’m gonna (not) miss you…
The governments’ statistics on unemployment are a lie. No one will ever convince me otherwise. My own experience, just like yours, tells me this, and I know mine is not the exception anymore than your own.
The idea that the only unemployed people are those receiving unemployment benefits is absurd on its face.
Has Tony Perkins nailed McCain down about his views on the Federal Marriage Amendment yet? Last I knew, St John was suspiciously close to Darth Cheney’s federalistic “states can decide” view, and the talibangelicals were asking McCain to “clarify his position.”
If we had a media in this country, this question would be asked of McCain. Bush favors the Amendment; does McCain?
This is also BS…
‘An 80-year-old church deacon was removed from the Smith Haven Mall yesterday in a wheelchair and arrested by police for refusing to remove a T-shirt protesting the Iraq War.
Police said that Don Zirkel, of Bethpage, was disturbing shoppers at the Lake Grove mall with his T-shirt, which had what they described as “graphic anti-war images.” Zirkel, a deacon at Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal in Wyandanch, said his shirt had the death tolls of American military personnel and Iraqis - 4,000 and 1 million - and the words “Dead” and “Enough.” The shirt also has three blotches resembling blood splatters.’
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6057
That’s not how the unemployment rate is measured.
That is not how the stats are determined - they are based on data collected in a monthly survey.
TSF & nonplussed
Here’s the full report
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
Tables A8, A9, and A12 may be of interest.
This is nothing new. Remember how the press went crazy every time Al Gore wore a different shirt? However, I take exception to the “Archie Bunker Democrats” meme of the Obama campaign. Archie Bunker was a bigot and a sexist. He would neither vote for an AA or a woman. This type of divisive language from the Obama campaign will do more harm to the Democratic party and to the country than any Republican can do.
I simply cannot believe that only 5% of this Country’s workforce is unemployed. I understand how the BLS computes the number but even so, it seems to be wrong. Can you clarify for me what the big change that was made in the computation was under the Bush Admin? It was non Farm payrolls or some such…
I don’t know of any big change made to the employment stats under W but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. I stopped working in 2000 & didn’t pay much attention to economics (was learning foreign policy instead) until mortgage crisis hit.
The number of people subsistying on the barter economy and “under the table” cannot be refuted. These folks may not be counted as “Unemployed, but they aren’t paying taxes, so surely they can’t be considered to be gainfully employed, either. Here there are a huge number of such people, they just fly under the radar.
Unmeasured economy has always been at least 10%, according to estimates I tracked down decades ago. It’s undoubtedly larger today, simply owing to undocumented immigrants.
eCAHN,
I am not an economist but it looks like Table A13 is the one that describes most closely the BS experience. It appears they arbitrarily have picked a number and declared that these folks are not “actively seeking employment therefore, they are not included”
Are you coming to the Netroots down here in Austin? I certainly hope so!
They don’t “pick them arbitrarily.” Those are people who self-declare that they are not in the labor force, in answer to a survey Q.
Yep.
(((((punaise)))))
You are always a sight for sore eyes!
I don’t think the “Archie Bunker” characterization came from the Obama campaign — the first time I saw it was from a reporter from Bloomberg news. FWIW…
Sorry janicen, but the Archie Bunker comments after the Ohio vote was Obama campaign talking points to explain his loss. It was just stenographed by the media as usual. They don’t investigate anymore you know, its just a steno pool that types the talking points that are distributed. Its called lazy journalism. I beleive its mainly because of staff shortages and budget cuts, but what you hear from the media is just pete and repeat.
Just to add another note about the media. Talking about the unemployment situation and the numbers. Wouldn’t that be a good piece for a reporter to look into? How the gov figures that number, etc. Instead, take a look at ABC’s investigative journalism online. There we’ve seen the headlines for at least a month. Where was Hillary on ” Blue dress day”. “OBama’s pastor problem”. HARD HITTING JOURNALISM? Where’s the story on the oil company execs that went before Congress yesterday?
Christy, on Edith. A few years ago, I encountered those phonebanking. When asked who they’d vote for, some women would say “I have to talk to my husband,” or “whoever my husband tells me to vote for.” Astonishing. But there it is. And that’s CT. I am 100% certain that Archies and Ediths exist everywhere, and it’s not fair for the NYT to pick on certain states.
You are correct. It is not all platitudes. There is also equivocation, selective mea culpa, bald faced denial, political opportunism, ….
association with Exelon, Rezko, Auchi (food for oil scams); wife’s payraise after his election; opposed Feingold’s censure of Bush over wiretaps; rejected Murtha’s call for redeployment; has said Bush doing good job on Iraq; late on attention to Jena, Mississippi; no early response, then feeble one on mortgage crisis; neglect of European Subcommittee; would meet with Cuba, Iran, North Korea without conditions; voted ‘present’ women’s issues (I doubt the explanation which smacks of cowardice again); can only say, ‘oops, I pressed the wrong button’ on questioned votes; has many missed votes; has a weaker record on FISA; repeatedly voted for Patriot Act; supported anti-union candidates; had a relationship with homophobes McClurken and Rev. Caldwell; advocates Social Security privatization; cut money for children’s welfare; takes credit for ethics bill he had little to do with; does not include adults in his health insurance program; skipped out on Iran resolution vote; supported Bush’s feeble energy plan; invoked Reagan era as feel good; besmirched the 90’s successes; besmirched the 60’s movements; owns the ‘Unite Here’ appeal; spokesperson equivocated on NAFTA in Canada (until recently ‘ambivalent’); spokesperson equivocated on 18 months for troop withdrawal in England; tip-toed on edge of lying about not having heard Rev. Wright sermons (and cowardly in not speaking up); voted for Bush’s Class Action Fairness (deprives legal recourse against large corps.); encourage lenders to restructure mortgages (not government regulation); correction for Bush’s tax relief still favors upper incomes; thwarting FL & MI redo on primary; again invokes republicans (G.H.W.B & R.W.R.) in his political rhetoric.
Bob, You forgot:
f. a,b,c,d
g. all of the above
h. none of the above
i. a,b
j. b,c
k. c,d
l. d,e
m. some of the above