Last week the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention announced their long-overdue statistics on new HIV cases in America, for 2006. Due out in December of last year, and held up for a peer review that never took place, the CDC numbers will certainly provide fodder for the right wing talibangelicals to declaim that America is a cesspool of sin, immorality, and sexual irresponsibility.
The number of people in the United States reported to have HIV increased by about 50 percent from 2005 to 2006, according to data released this week by the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.
In 2006, at least 52,878 Americans were reported having HIV, compared to 35,537 in 2005, according to the CDC’s annual HIV/AIDS surveillance report.
Wow!
A fifty percent jump in new HIV cases in just one year! Is this a stunning failure of prevention efforts, a catastrophic indictment of Bush-era abstinence education, or a perfect example of the immorality and promiscuity that American ayatollahs warn against?
Let’s review the bidding, shall we? [my bold]
In its Surveillance Report the CDC this week said there were 52,878 new HIV infections in 45 states and the District of Columbia for 2006. In 2005, CDC reported only 35,537 new infections in 38 states and the District of Columbia.
The CDC in a statement said that the difference in statistics is the result of additional states being counted and not an increase in actual new diagnoses.
The CDC now requires states to report HIV cases via a names-based reporting system in order to receive federal funding, and only states that use a names-based system are counted in the CDC reports. Because federal money is now linked to names-based reporting, seven hold-out states converted to names-based reporting in order not to lose funding. These seven states had their HIV cases counted in 2006 for the first time.
The CDC derives its estimates from states that used a names-based HIV reporting system. In 2005 there were 38 such states, plus five dependent territories like Puerto Rico and Guam. In 2006, this increased to 45 states plus the dependent territories. This means that 6,581 HIV cases from California, 6,241 from Illinois, and 4,048 from Washington, DC, included in the 2006 estimates were counted as zero in the 2005 estimate.
[snip]
If you remove the states not included in the 2005 estimates from the 2006 estimates, the number of HIV cases drops to 34,878, a 2 percent decrease between 2005 and 2006.
In case this comes up at your office water-cooler this week, or in the carpool tomorrow, or while you’re waiting with the other parents for day-care pickup — I wanted you to be prepared with the real scoop: counting more states means counting more new cases of HIV. This isn’t more prevention failure, although we could always do better. Nor is it a sign of the coming moral apocalypse. It’s a matter of expanding the universe of who is counted, resulting in a higher total. Be prepared for the moral turpitude dead-enders who blame promiscuity for everything. It’s not more people who are getting HIV, it’s that we know about more people who are getting HIV. We’ve been undercounting for years.
Of course, knowing about more people getting HIV every year means we need leaders who understand this issue, right?
Now that the issue has come up at the water-cooler, please take a chance to remind folks of this 2007 Straight Talk Express gem from St John McCain, who the New York Times‘ Adam Nagourney reported gets his HIV-prevention information from Senator Tom Coburn:
Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”
Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”
Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”
Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”
Don’t you love the coaching from the reporter? "I mean, I think you’d probably agree…." And don’t you love the supposed candor that slips through? "I’ve never gotten into these issues before."
Despite McCain’s stunning level of ignorance, even of his own position on the issue, the most remarkable thing about this exchange, as far as Politico’s Ben Smith was concerned, was the risk Nagourney took with this line of questioning:
Ben Smith linked to Nagourney’s Caucus entry in a March 16 entry to his own blog on Politico.com, writing: "And Nagourney’s going to get himself tossed off the Straight Talk Express if he keeps, like, demanding answers to stuff."
Yup, even while you fed him the right responses, demanding answers from St John McCain is one surefire way to get other reporters to predict you’ll be excluded from the Straight Talk Express.
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Teddy!
wow
traversing the platform via handstand, armstand into a back double somersault with one and a half twists in the free position, no splash (’natch)
g’evening everyone (grabbing towel from rack) how’s everyone doing tonight?
drat you ct!
Dives! Hello Suzanne.
Hello CT, hello GdP.
Excellent post (and explanation), Teddy.
dugg
Thank you. This issue will be demagogued on the right, and by AIDS, Inc. (the folks who fight for smaller slices of a smaller AIDS funding pie). It’s important we have the facts.
Heh, 8-P
This is not a hard question, McCan’t, does contraception work…?
Suzanne, we seem to be living in parallel universes.
Both of us apparently successfully submitted this post to Digg.
Teddy, what is the significance of the reporting being name-based?
Good evening firepups. Hi Teddy. Good post.
A ten on difficulty alone, Ma Cheri! *g*
Can you imagine a prez candidate saying “let me find out what I think.” Stunning.
Quite a dive suzanne!
Worse than Bush, tends to rear it’s ugly head…!
crap, i’ll remove the link to my digg in the comments so that the digg is not diluted… it is important this post be dugg as much as possible so the truth gets out
Howdy, Ma’am! How’s Tejas doing today…?
Guess he forgot to ask Rove about that one.
figured teddy’s post was so special, it needed a special dive
Do you hear that, people?
Please go to the top of the page and Digg this post!
But, but, i thought he was an informal adviser… Shouldn’t he be asking HoJo?
This little corner is full of groceries and freshly made food for the week, full of baskets of clean laundry, and home to one exhausted lady.
Last set of spinal injections tomorrow morning AND I have Texteen home tomorrow night. Should be interesting.
Many states avoided names-based reporting early in the plague, fearing that the data would be compromised and used for isolation centers and quarantine camps. Recall that quarantine camps were semi-seriously considered in California by the right-wing early in the epidemic.
Names-based reporting has been pushed by the Feds as less likely to produce duplicate reporting, but states (and AIDS patient advocates) have resisted it, due to fears about how it would be used. California has devised a strict system to isolate actual patient data from the names reporting, they say.
We’ll see if it’s misused. There was a scandal in Florida upon their adoption of a names-based system when some data leaked.
On the other hand, once the CDC, under BushCo, got the GOP Congress to link federal funding to their preference for names-based reporting, the race was on in the hold-out states. Being denied Federal funding is taken very seriously in state legislatures.
Georgia, a hold-out state now newly included in the HIV statistics due to its recent adoption of names-based reporting, shot to eighth in new HIV cases as soon as it was included in the state rankings. Which means the CDC has been missing a lot of new HIV cases due to their refusal to accept data from non-names-based reporting states.
Hello, Betsy. Thank you!
McCain’s ignorance is astounding.
At least boosh knows he is against contraception.
All McCain seems to know is “what boosh said. Or whatever I said, if I did.”
John McCain:
Worse than Bush
Can you imagine one reporter chastizing another — in print! — for demanding answers from that candidate?
We are through the looking glass with McCain and his base, and have been for some time. This is a March 2007 interview, before his campaign tanked last summer.
Who is administering the “confidential” names-based reporting system–Diebold?
Teddy, have you seen this?
HIV a man-made epidemic?
from Raw Story Breaking News
There is no doubt that AIDS erupted in the U.S. shortly after government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments (1978-1981) using gay men as guinea pigs. The epidemic was caused by the “introduction” of a new retrovirus (the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV for short); and the introduction of a new herpes-8 virus, the virus that causes Kaposi’s sarcoma, widely known as the “gay cancer” of AIDS. The taboo theory that AIDS is a man-made disease is largely based on research showing an intimate connection between government vaccine experiments and the outbreak of “the gay plague”
Even the worst candidacies and candidates have the “major issues” down on cards somewhere…
Thanks, neuro!
May his campaign tank totally.
Sorry, Teddy, forgot to say great post. Subject very important to me. Thanks
lordy. great post, teddy!
Now, if I could just find that index card…where in tarnation did I put it?
Aargh, what a crock of crap… I’m soooo fed up with this Maladministration…!
Yet, the prospects for the next one are SO much worse…
Thanks. I couldn’t figure out why they would want names. I could only envision the misuse of that information. They must have other data associated with names, though, like d.o.b. or ss#. Common names like Tom Smith, John Brown, Jane Jones would have way too many duplicates. (My brother-in-law has a very common name and actually carries a certificate or something like that to show that he is not the bad guy with that same name when he goes through security checks.)
As the American AIDS epidemic becomes more brown, more female, more Southern, and more rural, it is fading from American consciousness. Marginalized communities are being ignored, again, and these new victims have neither the telegenics of Ryan White nor the dramatic street theatre smarts of the dying queens who took on the FDA.
Suffering in silence won’t get your disease treated, but these new AIDS sufferers know few other ways to respond to their longtime oppressors.
Tex, do you have a linky?
The Stunning Stupidity of the 1600 Crew in their endeavors against science, economics, human relationships and practically everything else not directly related to making a buck (for their military-industrial pals and relatives) is just staggering. If it were possible for them to fund a time-machine that allowed a return of the entire planet to the Middle Ages before the “reformation” I have no doubt in my mind they would do it instantly and then wipe out any trace of their actions and science to rule as the Popes and Kings of old did. By fear, ignorance, and intimidation.
Why? Because they could.
No.
JoFish, did ya take a gander at the last thread…? I’m being served up on a silver platter…! *g*
what a minute! ‘TF?? He’s “not informed enough” as to whether contraception helps stop the spread of HIV ? Is that what he said? I’m seriouis here — Am i reading that wrong? If not, whatever else he’s said or may say, if he doesn’t know whether using contraceptives helps stop the spread of HIv, he CAN’T be president.
Hi TexBetsy – hope you get a good rest after all that work – and hope TexTenn apprecaites you, your love, and all yuo do.
_ _ _
On another note – Raw Story is just plain ignorant (and credulous) re the origin of HIV/AIDS.
The first known death from HIV was in 1959.
Timeline: HIV & AIDS
* 11:37 04 September 2006
* NewScientist.com news service
* John Pickrell
1930s
• Researchers believe that sometime in the 1930s a form of simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) jumped to humans who butchered or ate chimpanzee bush meat in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The virus becomes HIV-1 the most widespread form found today
1959
• The world’s first known case of AIDS has been traced to a sample of blood plasma from a man who died in the Democratic Republic of Congo in 1959
1960s
• HIV-2, which is restricted to West Africa, is thought to have transferred to people from sooty mangabey monkeys in Guinea-Bissau during the 1960s
• A genetic analysis of HIV in 2003 suggests that it may have first arrived in the United States in about 1968
1970s
• During the 1970s it continues to spread undetected in the US and around the world – the pandemic has begun
1981
• A high prevalence of both a rare type of skin cancer – Kaposi’s Sarcoma – and pneumonia are found in young gay men in New York and California, US. These are the first documented cases of AIDS. By the end of the year 121 people are known to have died from the mysterious affliction
Did y’all vote?
I, among many others I am sure, nominated Emptywheel. I’m so excited to see her among the Top Ten!
i voted teddy
g’evening Firepups! Teddy & Suzanne, i’ll be arriving in your neck of the woods tuesday late afternoon. Woohoo! Escaping the minnesota snow. *ndfg scurries back to packing/laundry/list-making*
thanks dr murphy – i was remembering something from back in the 50’s and could not remember what it was.
Raw Story links back to this: HIV-AIDS was created with the use of Gay men as targets for Eugenic experiments suggests U.S. doctor
You believe that’s credible, Doc? I’m merely asking…
yep, i voted for Emptywheel as well. I’ve been in awe of her skills for a while.
Welcome to The Strange Talk Express, BFL.
Voted. Go, EW!
And Teddy, excellent post as always. I always look forward to “seeing” you on Sunday nights.
Hey, sweetie, long time no see…! *g*
Thanks. Just voted.
Mahalo, Tex!
yeah. i voted for her. i first came here during the Libby trial. She was great ten and continues to be great.
Yes CT, I really do believe that’s credible – and I believe the serology finding teh 1959 death was from HIV is credible.
EW all the way.
Me too. While the others all have merit, EW is the one who is changing history with her original work, analysis and live blogging.
I voted, Teddy, will we be counted, being of the masculine set…?
me too.
1981.
Wow. Seems like even longer to me. Maybe my life is just pasing by fast.
Emptywheel, of course, but sorry that she had Digby are in competition. Both so great.
Suzanne, you may need to get out your ruler…
i think we will.
Recall, though, that most GOP Senators rely heavily on the doctors in their caucus, Coburn and Frist, for information on medical issues. Coburn, while heading up the President’s Council on AIDS, was known as “Bush’s Abstinence Man.”
Frist, though, went him one better. He could not say whether HIV could be transmitted through tears and saliva.
Hey ndfg – (early) welcome to the Left Coast!
Ruler? What, to measure it…? *g*
to verify they are male?
I’m sure you intedede to say “meterstick”, no?
i’m with kirk on that… seems reasonable, and i haven’t seen a better hypothesis.
{{{ CTuttle! }}}
Gnome, you said what i meant to say “EW is the one who is changing history with her original work, analysis and live blogging.”
jammies in the dryer?
I was thinking, maybe, to whack someone’s hand…
Of course, none of us here condone violence in any form.
*ndfg waves at Dr Kirk* i like the Left part especially.
(laughing) made me think of cheech and chongs bit in the courtroom and the judge’s order to the bailiff
Alan Cantwell is an AIDS conspiracist. He misleads a lot of people about vaccines as well.
The “Penguin” voted! Awesome!
Got a link for that?
Of Course…! *g*
Thanks to Dr Kirk for bringing some facts to bear!
they want my zip code?
hiya ndfg and welcome to the Bay Error-y
will have to search the utubes and see if its there, neuro
Thanks. Will keep that in mind.
Hi Double-Ell, good to see you as well.
I gave them a zip code two towns over.
Given the politicization and theologization of the CDC, can we even trust the AIDs numbers, or the “1 in 4 teenage girls have STDs ” assertion?
yeah, that does seem a little weird
why would anyone collect statistics like that?
I was only asking his opinion, selise…! I agree with with the hypothesis…! How’re ya doing?
hahahaha!
aha.. them youtubes – they have everything! i think it is in this one… twas off the big bamboo albumn
oh shit! not again.
Gay pupil Larry King killed for flirting, say friends
I did like the fact that Digby was nominated, but, saddened that Jane wasn’t nominated…
howdy CT. congress comes back from break this week.
Thanks, Teddy, for this post.
And hi to everyone.;)
Will the Senate, and Jello Jay start the immunity BS right away?
Hiya Suzanne… sorry I missed the pah-tay last night, my ISP (or was it the NSA) kicked my cable modem off-line and so I went off to count something… don’t remember what, I was sleeping. Might have been YouTube videos. :)
33 days sir (i see you are still formal)
well that’s a rap for this old fart. the wife & her friends took all the kids to the beach for a few days. i give her $100 for a little grocery shopping before she leaves. i meant for me. everything she bought she left in the car and took with her. margauritas, chips, dip. she left me cat food. that’s not what i gave her money for. i mean, i have no milk. she did leave a box of Frosted Flakes,too, but i have no milk! And my dog has diahrea. I’m goin’ to bed. G’night.
These are valid questions.
Dr Julie Gerberding, who has recently angered vaccine activists as well, came from San Francisco General Hospital’s highly regarded AIDS treatment/prevention program, and yet her stewardship of the CDC has been fraught with political overtones.
There are good people, and excellent scientists, who toil very hard at the CDC to continue to do good work for the American people despite the political imprint Gerberding has imposed on behalf of BushCo. I wonder how many “countdown” clocks there are in CDC employees’ homes.
But it’s the misuse and abuse of the data, rather than the data itself, that’s so infuriating. James Dobson, immediately upon release of the 1-in-4 statistic about teen girls with STIs, called for MORE abstinence education, even though it’s quite clear abstinence education is DANGEROUS for young people: their sexual onset is barely delayed, they are more likely to get and then transmit disease, and their pre-marital pregnancies outstrip those with comprehensive sex ed. Yet — in the face of these statistics — Dobson calls for MORE abstinence education, and is only mocked on Olbermann and the Daily Show.
Otherwise, his call is treated seriously by our media.
teddy at 8–”
Thank you. This issue will be demagogued on the right, and by AIDS, Inc. (the folks who fight for smaller slices of a smaller AIDS funding pie). It’s important we have the facts.”
sexually active adults–that includes virgins and same partners from virginhood, and 80 yr olds.
but lets not also talk about the findings that got buried last year that 8/10 of sexually active people have the hpv virus……… yep do the math. that means that every partner you had and every partner they had, 8/10 of them passed it on to you.. do the math.
and 2/3 of all have chlamidia(sp/) yep, do the math.
and 1/3 had sypilis(sp?)
one half–gonorrea(sp?)
where am i getting my numbers?
cdc
aids? they don’t want to track that number, might not be healthy.
might be about time to talk to greg louganis, get him to be involved in speaking out again.
hpv virus numbers being manipulated to get people to take the shots,
basically, 8/10 people have it…..cdc says.
get paps,
get checked,
have cervical cells?
many treatments that don’t kill you,
i can vouch for that.
prevention is the key.
still live long
Teddy, thanks for the informative post. It will be nice to inform the 2Moral Majotiy” of the loaded numbers. It’s always nice to read that McCain is, and will always be a fucktard. I’d love to vote for EW, I don’t have a zip code, and my zipper could prove I’m not a woman…
the bear facts.
Can you drop me a note at tuttlehiloatmsndotcom, JoFish? I’d really like to chitchat with ya! *g*
Oh, Jane was nominated, but others were nominated by more people apparently.
hiya Margot!
BFL, they don’t let guys into the grocery stores in your neighborhood???
That’s moral majority… Damn
How in the world did you find and/or remember that? She says through her tears of laughter.
hey jofish
Maybe Redd diluted the vote…! ;-)
Sorry about your dog. :)
Evening all. Have to say, innumeracy thy name is wingnuttia, as they demonstrate every time they try to deal with statistics.
Hey Teddy, I got invited to give a talk on “Gender, Sexuality, and Identity” sponsored by the university Lambda Alliance in a couple of weeks. Should be a hoot. I suspect they will like what I have to say. As I have mentioned before, gender is one of my specialties and I will be taking over the departmental gender course permanently next year. I am also preparing to become the leading sex educator in the state of Montana in fall ‘09 when I start teach our human sexuality course. Of course, I will also be the only sex educator in Montana as this is the only course on human sexuality taught at any level in the state.
g’nite bfl
Bushco is a cesspool of sin, immorality, and sexual irresponsibility. Why are they still occupying the White House.
Matter of fact, i like to do grocery shopping. I’m an excellent shopper (That was the original Dustin Hoffman line in Rain Man but they changed it). But she says she’s going can she have some money. So i gave her some and got screwed. I have to go tomorrow night. I’m an excellent shopper.
beat me to it…
Thank you for that, Doc.
Very appetizing, I must say.
Hey there Q, other outta-USA folks are using 90210 as their zip code, I read elsewhere (from the Beverly Hills 90210 teevee show.)
I missed the zipper check!
Wow! Dr-pause-Dick! Nice to see ya in these here parts…!
From the executive summary, it appears that the number of new cases of HIV have been going down in the last four years (2003-2006). Since the population’s been increasing in that time, this might imply less wickedness, not more.
woohoo dr (pause) dick (you do realize your name and your status as a leading sex educator leave you open to all kinda puns)
Would you like to eat my leg?
CT You’ve Got Mail. or Femail. not sure :D
Wow, we can say we knew Dr (pause) Dick when!
Congrats on becoming Montana’s leading sex educator.
And welcome back, where have you been? Doing field work in the specialty you are now the state’s leading expert in? *g*
sorry OT–
KIRK–Subject: CNN Breaking News
– The official lighting of the Olympic torch has taken place in Tiananmen Square, Beijing.
WHAT they skipped san francisco?
Think progress has the vid of chimpy throwing high once again. The commentator is drowning in Koolaid. Worth listening to til the end.
Mahalo! He-mail! ;-)
Yep. Fills me with great delight. I am thinking of starting the semester by saying, ” Hi! I am a Dick and I like sex!”
from the newsbox on the front page of FDL:
Is San Francisco somehow between Greece and China?
Hi Margot!
So glad you asked :) I just think of my great and good friend BJ Smethwick’s next to last words:
And what do you think the Argylls ate in Aden? Arabs?
Then I remember his last words: in a white wine sauce with shallots, mushrooms and garlic.
[
The sketch:
(Scene: The interior of a lifeboat. Seagulls are crying.)
Sailor #1: Still no sign of land. How long is it?
Sailor #2: That’s a rather personal question, sir.
Sailor #1: (low voice)You stupid git. I meant how long has it been in the lifeboat? You’ve destroyed the atmosphere now.
Sailor #2: I’m sorry.
Sailor #1: Shut up. Start again.
Sailor #1: Still no sign of land. How long is it?
Sailor #2: 33 days, sir.
Sailor #1: Thirty-three days?
Sailor #2: We can’t go on much longer. (low voices) I didn’t think I destroyed the atmosphere.
Sailor #1: Shut up.
Sailor #2: Well, I don’t think I did.
Sailor #1: ‘Course you did.
Sailor #2: (aside, to 3) Did you think I destroyed the atmosphere?
Sailor #3: Yes I think you did.
Sailor #1: Shut up. Shut up!
Sailor #1: Still no sign of land. How long is it?
Sailor #2: 33 days, sir.
Sailor #4: Have we started again? (slap)
Sailor #1: STILL no sign of land. How long is it?
Sailor #2: 33 days, sir.
Sailor #1: Thirty-three days? …..
[why i say start again so often in the comments…]
:)
I only wish. There is something a bit disturbing about a sex educator who hasn’t had sex since before his students hit puberty. On the other hand, I more than made up for that in my earlier life. Actually, I have just been busy with work. Have a new class this semester and am making biug changeds in another one. Tends to keep me off the streets and out of the blogs, though I still sneak in and read pretty frequently.
Hi Chris!
sorry, my bad, this is the correct link to the news box article
‘Evening, all-
Gotta delurk jut long enough to say, great work Teddy, and hi Dr. Dick! It’s been way too long.
Back to work for me.
(poof)
Thanks Teddy. I’m now a woman voter. And proud of it.
Hey Suzanne, nice dive!
Sleep well, BFL – beware the gamy leg!
And Dr. Dick – god to see you here. Congrats on your elevation!
Good night all – off to find the shallots and garlic.
beerfart at 102-i meant to say something when you mentioned the dog earlier, but the other added on??????–that’s really crappy, kinda like havin a std………omg i am cracking up
you are pathetic, huge hugs.
link
Is this how we get a mole on the “Straight
BoiTalk Express”?g’nite dr murphy
I did go to the link and did read the whole thing. Why is British humor so silly and so erudite at the same time?
Well, don’t be a stranger, you are missed around these parts.
And clearly we have frequent need of your expertise, if only so as not to encourage Dr Murphy. *g*
And working on an onc ward, I wathced people die from cervical cancer – the poorer one is, the less likelihood one will get PAP tests, let alone treatmetn.
The hpv vaccine is there to save lives by preventing cervical CA. Even if the manufacturer and Merck are fucktards. Grrr.
Good night nurse.
Shut up!
Because they actually read and love language? Also that they do not always take themselves quite so seriously these days. Methinks it was a bit different back in the days of the Raj.
We had a great weekend, and the temps today were almost springlike!
Ah, vampire hunting I see. Have a good night Kirk, happy cooking (or steaking)!
As Montana’s soon to be leading sex educator, I am %100 with the good Dr. K on this. Makes no sense not to get the shot. If you love your daughters get them vaccinated.
suzanne at 133–i know, but cnn says the ’official’ lighting took place today.
that’s why i posted it, that’s what cnn said.
used to be, there was one running of the torch.
so, it’s the lighting in china, then around the world and back again?
i thought the torch took off from the last olympics and on to the next.
that’s why i posted it.
Hello Christine.
Wish I could say the same. Hate it when there is no spring in my spring break, but that is what we had. Cold, windy, and even some snow. Didn’t get to do any of the fun things I wanted to (still got the work done, however).
Yes, something seems new and odd about this.
Doesn’t the torch originate in Olympia, then to the most recent location, then around the world to the new location? Why are they in Beijing? Are they contingency-planning dumping the whole run if it goes poorly?
you are correct – that is not how i remember it either.. it ran from athens to where the events were to be held
Have a feeling these games are going to be very strange – and strained. China is so regimented about everything and the people attending and participating will not be allowed to wander around and see the country. Not sure what to expect.
She’s a niece, but I did.
It sounds like they are planning for interruption, and will have a backup flame.
Perhaps she did, but there were good nominees on the ballot (including emptywheel), anyway. There’s lots of talent out there.
Remember the gigantic joints that Cheech and Chong had? And their movie titles, like Up In Smoke. That torch made me think of that. If that torch were made of weed, man, the world would be a more peaceful place.
The norm has been that it’s started from a solar lit device in Olympia in Greece and relayed from there…!
Also, the RSVP-”but no thanks” are trickling in:
And nothing seems to prevent multiple votes.
(did I say that?)
OT
HUD secretary will resign probably tomorrow. He’s under investigation by the Justice Dept. Isn’t that a surprise?
What exactly is the point of all this activity?
CT- thanks. Just sent you a mail… catch you all later, have to disappear for a bit. :)
Hey Teddy,
Totally distracted by John Adams… love your post and totally with you. We here, “at the Dittrick Medical History Museum” are totally all about contraception.
Under investigation for what, do you know?
Good!
BTW, I saw her posts about the Cornell program. Sent her a FB email encouraging her to go. I think she will really enjoy it and get a lot out of it and it is the kind of thing that make college admissions boards (and scholarship committes) salivate.
Good ol’ Alfonso Jackson. I lived in Dallas when he was head of Dallas Public Housing. Some of us were only too glad to see him go to DC. You can imagine what shape Dallas Housing was in.
Ya gotta love the toobz… At least there’s one avenue that has no glass ceiling…! *g*
here’s the link and i’ll be adding it to the news queue – thanks
Not out loud, no.
Digby, Marcy, Taylor, I am familiar. Is one of the others from Shakespeare’s Sister? Are there some right wingers in that mix?
Apparently for handing out contracts to friends and others he shouldn’t have. Someone crooked in the Bush administration? Say it isn’t so !
Sorry about the thrice “totally.” Can’t watch tv and post at the same time (and converse with family).
Yep, she’s decided to apply for that and two other summer programs for the same time period, after the wedding, after her grandparent trip, and before school starts.
Thanks, Suz. Don’t know how to link and my assistant is not available right now.
link
Well, although not really spring, at least it did NOT snow, and I had the opportunity to wear a nylon coat. Oh spring, please find me.
Sounds like she is going to be a busy girl. Probably for the best, that way she doesn’t have time to plan the revolution over the summer.
Who could have imagined it?! A crooked Rethug? I say RICO the whole lot of them.
suppose i shouldn’t mention that i needed the a/c this afternoon
**ducking! **
It is an Olympic tradition. Sparks interest in the Olympics. I knew a woman once who got to travel with the torch. It was a big deal for her. She must have been a fascist.
oh geez i was gettin ready for bed. jeeeeeeezus, and i never say that
ok i’m gettin pissed, ”i can’t believe the things i;m seein’-mose allison everybody’s cryin; mercy–SUZ CAN YOU FIND IT? bonnie raitt. it’s an emergency…….i put up the link a long time ago)
dr dick and kirk=
a pap smear
not available???????
the shots are more available??????????
geeeeeeeeee
why is that???????????????
gimme a fucking break.
i thought you guys were smarter than that.
a pap smear is cheaper than the hpv shots, and who knows the health risks of the shots.
you kirk, are always screamin bloody murder on chemicals and ramifications of them. especially not-fully-tested-ones.
now you’re sayin; get the shot. the shot that they can’t even say what affects can happen 4 years out.
you HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!@
i’ve heard the ramifications, i’ve heard the arguments for and against, and you’re condoning it?
oh man, oh my god.
ewwwww, this evil hpv can kill you through sex, create cancer cells on your cervex, that can be detected and confined through a 40 dollar test.
but get this 340 dollar x three shot and it will 74% guarantee you to not get 3/7 strains of it? woon’t protect you fromj all strains of hpv, and we can’t quite tell you yet the side affects, and we can;t tell you what affects it will have on your health, but you should get it right now cuz you will get the virus……well, guess what, 80% of sexually active adults have it.
oh, i am so disillusioned with the yodas right now.
you guys.
i’m speechless.
Allegations of cronyism—in the Bush administration?
Write your own punchline.
shiny object?
If there are protests in one place, perhaps China hopes to focus attention elsewhere, on the “other” torch. I can’t imagine there hasn’t been a lot of western PR money attuned to this problem.
But I think Dr Kirk and I may have a hand in seeing their well-laid plans unravel here at home….
I told her Ithaca in the summer is much preferable to El Paso in the summer.
Totally.
I believe that!
Yes, Melissa McEwan is from Shakespeare’s Sister.
Ah, Betsy, so hilarious! The heater was off for hours, what a delight! But by tonight, the down comforters were creeping back onto laps…
which song dmac…. name, artist and title and i’ll look for it
I am with you there. To ad insult to injury, we had two weeks of gorgeous spring weather right before spring break and then it turned back to winter temps 10-15 degrees below normal). It is also supposed to warm up again the end of this next week.
You better duck, ’cause I just threw a snowball at you.
The White House will be able to blame further delays in helping ACTUAL mortgage holders and homeowners on this vacancy at HUD, while their crack financial team continues to shovel money at the dirtbags on Wall Street who created this mess.
More help for the base.
TSF,
When I saw that McCain qote from the NYT you put at the top – I saw it first last year – I thought somebody was parodying McCain. This is the first time I realized HE REALLY SAID THAT. The guy’s so far beyond goofball. He’s fucking pathetic when it comes to sincerity or being informed, but when you get to things like the way he’s helped derail the investigation into BIA mishandling of First People trust funds, he’s far, far worse.
OK, Teddie’s just converted me from McCain disliker to McCain, uh, uh, extreme disliker…
Republicans = Neo-Feudalism Party
Oh, dear, see 181! I had two people yapping at me, John Adams on PBS, and then see you actually saying hi! (Was totally happy with joy…)
Senator Amy Klobuchar, Minn., endorsed Obama.
Forgot to say OT. Heck.
hackworth at 165
you totally amuse me
Cripes, just noticed that when I wrote about this thing the other day, I didn’t get McEwan’s first name right. Corrected now. Sigh.
as teddy says, mccain is dangerous
Ugh. Both the Nikkei 225 and the Hang Seng are down by 2%. My 401K may not be happy tomorrow.
http://finance.yahoo.com/
I like “totally.” It’s one of my favorite words.
And, hiya ET. Don’t be a hater, though.
How can I duck when I am already lying down?
i don’t know. i will check tomorrow.
That was not speechless.
Yes, Shakespeare’s Sister. I’m too old to appreciate much of the music infotainment/reviews, otherwise I find it quite good. I like the swearing.
http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/p…..038;sflg=1
hahahahahahaha about forking time! thanks tex
McCain is both batshit, bugfuck crazy and dumber than a box of rocks. All you have to do is listen to his speeches and policy proposals. He also panders like mad to whomever he thinks can get him elected. He has no principles whatsoever. As a maverick, he makes a great two bit whore.
John McCain supports torture of human beings by the United States of America.
John McCain:
Worse than Bush
And as a straight talker, his tongue is as forked as Lieberman’s.
Hiya mmc!
Hey Ted. I am going to come to SF on the 9th. I think.
Yes, but right now Lieberman’s tongue is up McCain’s butt and McC is not the kind of guy to give a reach around.
and kirk and dr dick==
who’s behing the shots?
who has ownership on the profits?
who is behind the legislation?
it’ll make you sick when you realize what you are advocating.
it is in direct conflict of what you advocate.
for once i’m not gonna link to them
look it up yourselves before you fucking promote it.
that’s what you tell others isn’t it?
man, this pisses me off, can’t you tell?
do a post on it.
facts rule, that’s what i say.
: )
dmac, you are upset – but i’m not sure what you are upset about. is there a backstory that i’m missing?
The more the merrier.
I am hoping for some real direct action.
I was particularly inspired by that crazy Polish holiday Keith featured last week — something about throwing water on people seemed appropriate for a torch run….
You’ve got a good read on them. I think that is quite true.
I’m not an epidemiologist (although I have worked in HIV treatment), so I may be wrong about this, but I think the natural spread of the disease if no one were practicing prevention at all would be exponential. Each infected person has the potential to infect multiple people each year, so the disease would spread explosively. So these figures may not be so bad, despite the contrariness and ignorance of people like McCain and Coburn.
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Waterboarders for McCain
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Torturers For McCain
What if it is one of those really cold SF days. buuurrrrr.
We should all bring our own little torches (lighters) and sing torch songs
and chant buddhist prayers.
!
Got my sign all thought-up, and Dr KDM-approved:
Are we off topic yet?
well i can finally fire down the stove/oven. how is everyone this evening?
dmac -
I think Dr. K is gone for the night, so I will respond. Kirk is right about access to preventative care (including PAP smears). Yes, there are plenty of issues with the companies involved and their profiting off human misery and the structure of current legislation is typical Rethug help-the-bloated-corporations, but I still say vaccinate your daughters, nieces, granddaughters, and any other female virgins you know. I would go beyond that and advocate vaccinating boys as well (who do you think gives it to all those girls?). We need to change the laws to lower costs and make sure it is universally accessible, but if we can reduce a preventable cancer it is worth it. My mother was a breast cancer survivor. I know.
i think all non-sports topics are ok
That’s great. Medicinal of course.
My goal is to get on teevee, with a secondary goal not to go to jail, unless I share a cell with Da Boi Mayor. I think my sign may get me on teevee. The jail I’m not so sure about.
The wingers are the most stupid non thinking wankers on the planet. I am sure they will complain about the AIDS increase. But give people health care to take care of it? Noooooooooooooo.
From the FDL news box:
U.S. Troops Enter Basra Fray
Sadrists to Maliki:
“All your Basra are belong to us”
I would have to call Big Daddy in Picayne, Mississippi for bail money. OH Lordie.
As a follow up to my post at 235, I would like to point out that I grew up in the 50s & 60s. I knew people who had polio who were my age. Can any one under 45 say the same thing? Vaccinations against diseases like this are always a good thing. We need to rip the lungs out of the corporate greed heads at Big Pharma, but, in the meantime, we need to take care of the women and girls who matter to us.
I just went in and told Ron what you just said. He is still laughing.
not trying to start or stir some shit but is this the same Larry Johnson from the Plame affair?
If so, wow off his fuckin rocker
From personal experience, jail is not so much fun. It is kind of cool being on TV though.
Gosh I wish I could see DrDick’s comment here as I respond. I so agree with everything he says about this vaccination. Please people of young girls, just do it. I’m a DES survivor, and I’ve had more surgery than one could ever think about.
No free condom distribution or needle exchange programs, thank you very much! We do not want to do anything that might actualy work.
and no free sex either.
oh wait..
i hear you, christine and just sent this link tp my sis (she has a 9 year old daughter)
It is never free, but sometimes low cost and no down payment.
gotta really disagree here drdick – some vaccinations are a very good thing, but not all, and not always. if i’m not too deep in epu-land and you are still here, i’ll go hunt up some links. like to the first lyme disease vaccination.
I don’t trust much of what Frist says. He comes from the family that developed multiple hospitals throughout the US under the banner of Hospital Corporation of America that were fined millions of dollars for ethical violations. I’m sure you all had one of them in your community. We had about 10 in Dallas. These hospitals were owned by his father and brother and he had some financial interest. He also made some dumb decisions like making a diagnosis about Terri Schiavo while looking at her over television which no ethical physician should or will do.
Frist is an idiot.
And his company is a pirate.
You’d think he’d never heard of video editing.
after browser quitting, slow dial-up and things unspoken, epu’d, i don’t care. ”the little turtle with the spunky bullhorn” says=
DR DICK AND DR KIRK
everybody’s cryin’ mercy when they don’t know the meanin’ of the word, written by mose allison, sung by bonnie raitt, in the 80’s i would listen to it when most disgusted, as i am tonight. i haven’t listened to the you tube, but if it’s the one i had before, isn’t the whole thing, is rare, and this is the only one, but it’s the right message. passed on with love.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eLd…..re=related
suz, also on the side menu, your favorite raitt tune, written by chris smithers, love me like a man.