So?

hackworth signed it.

Atrios suggested that after we go to the FEC we toddle on down to the Washington Post and ask them why nobody there gives a shit.

Yes! Please do. Wish I were there to join you!

bob dole didn’t.

Vote for the Dim Angry Old Man!

He’s dim, angry, old and a crook!

Yay forhim!

Jesus wept.

Jane - Is Salon doing a piece on McCain’s campaign finance transgressions? Just another suggestion.

McCain was the closest thing to a frat boy that the Navy had. If there was a party and someone was to have worn a lampshade on his head, it would have been McCain. He wrecked nine airplanes. One time was not his fault.

Jane, thanks for all your work on this (and many other issues).

Please do the toddle if you can.

I have a conservative friend who was a midshipman and had dinner with McCain in the 1970’s. In my frined’s estimation “he was clearly nuts.”

oops.. posted this to the last thread by accident.. reposting it…

FauxNews’ certainly outdoing themselves with their election headlines these days:
Today -”McCain Paints Portrait of Patriot”

With bylines like that can “McCain sanctioned by God (and Reagan)” be far behind? Ugh.

Hi Pups. Jane, I signed it too and sent it to a friend
with a huge mailing list of like-minded people.

Cinnamonape. If you are around, I have a question for you 2 threads earlier (Come Saturday Morning. How Does Your Garden Grow? #123) Thanks. - A.

Thanks very much for doing this. I just sent in my name.

I hope there are many more efforts ike this. We need a big grassroots campaign to put corporate media on notice to be truthful about all the candidates’ positions and significant actions and statements relevant to their fitness for public office.

We know that the corporate media as currently constituted will very probably not do a good job, or respond in a sensible manner. However, given McCain’s bizarre temperment, and the toxicity of 90% of his beliefs and positions wrt to the public welfare, all we need to do is pressure the media enough so that they slip up. I think just a few slips will be enough to sour the public on McCain -just a litle truth about McCain will go a long way towards sinking him in the general election.

McCain sez that McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform was designed to be ignored by McCain. The MSM sez they wish to ignore the fact that McCain ignored his own ideas in a bill with his name on it (and broke election laws). But they love to replay the radical pastor story.

Perhaps we can assist in broadening inquiries into this McCain campaign finance oversight. Start letters to the editor and op-ed campaign. I think most people have no idea and wouldn’t connect the dots.

Even from friends who are more politically savvy, I hear nothing. When I mention it there isn’t much interest. The attitude is more like - typical. Are we becoming too jaded?

I do hear interest on tensions in the campaign - more what MSM picks up. Oh hum!

Guess we have to do it ourselves. Thanks so much for putting this front and center. Can C-SPAN get in on the act?

At Tailhook?

Hi Jane.

No rocket science in this comment, just a heart felt thanks for creating this place that has helped me keep the little piece of sanity I have left.

It has been very important to me to know others have shared in the frustration I’ve felt the last 8 years, and even more important has been the things I’ve learned I can do to help change things.

Much continued good health to you and your canine companions!

Just signed it. Thank you, Jane for all your hard work.

It really doesn’t matter how crazy McCain is just as Bush’s behavior was outrageous in front of cameras for all to see. Followers will elect the person of their party.

I think most people treat a political party like their home town ball team. You support it no matter what. I’ve actually heard people say, “Well you can’t blame the economy on Bush”. Yet, if things are going well, they credit Bush. Amazing piece of logic. All I can conclude is that there is no logic.

Followers will elect the person of their party.

And if they opt not to because they have deep moral misgivings about that person they get dissed.

“Well you can’t blame the economy on Bush”.

Well of COURSE you can’t blame the economy on Bush. After all, EVERYONE knows it’s all Clinton’s fault. /s

The sad eveoluton of McCain’s beliefs means that even his sensible positions on some issues will be nullified by insane positions on other issues. Take Global Warming as an example. So, OK, McCain has a good position on global warming. But effective action on global warming will require strong, concistent and long term international cooperation.

One of the toxic and BS wingnut positions McCain has adopted is the idea of emphasizing a new intstrument for international cooperation, the idea of an ad hoc League of Democracies lead by the US. The neocons are ecstatic about this McCain position, since this has been a cover for a scheme to destroy the United Nations, and for the US to attempt to wield global leadership throught ad hoc coalitions of governments that we deem to be democracies good and vrituous agreeable and pliable enough for us to associate with.

The League of Democracy plan will fail catastrophically, since given the neocon and warmonger influence in McCains camp, this program will mean in practice that the US will act unilaterally with nominal agreement from an arbitrarily selected group of sovereign flunkies and other countries the US has bullied, bribed or threatened into supporting us on a particular issue.

It will not work. It will wreck effective international cooperation in all areas. It will continue the war on international law waged by the Cheney Bush adminstration.

McSame McCain: dangerous on all counts.

League of Democracies = Coalition of the Gullible Willing

McCain sez that McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform was designed to be ignored by McCain.

The statute he’s running afoul of is NOT the McCain/Feingold BCRA (soft-money) law. Not that campaign finance isn’t a signature issue for Senator McCain, but the public financing system for political campaigns, and its rules, are in a place other than McCain/Feingold.

Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 = McCain/Feingold

1971 Federal Election Campaign Act, with 1974 amendments, is what the McCain campaign is violating.

See the FEC brochure “Public Funding of Presidential Elections,” for more history and details.

League of Democracy

This is shorthand for “The UN won’t just rubberstamp every crazy war mongering, natural resource stealing idea we come up with , so we’ll just create some 50’s comic book sounding sham group — that we no doubt can blackmail by withholding foreign aid or weaponry — in place of it”

I diasgree with your comment on party identification. What you say may be true of a minorty of voters. But party identification can be quite fluid, as current surveys show -GOP identification is tanking.

And even so, even if we cannot shake a person’s party ID, we may still be able to convert them on critical issues. As I mentioned in comment on previous post, I have found that one of my wingnut relatives agrees with me 100% on voter integrity issues, particularly on importance of verifiable paper trails and public vote counts using verifiable paper trials. So, in my family you get the right wingnut, the hard core lefty and the ’sensible moderate’ (that last one is me) talking about that issue, and we made a convert of another even harder rightwinger on voting rights and electronic voting. But then I am blessed in that none of the wingnuts in my family have ever bought into GOP racial bigotry angle, and that is an advantage.

Anyway, if you make some headway on some critical issues (electronic voting, instill some skepticism of corporate media portrayel of Democratic pres candidates as hard core lefties) that will be some progress.

I sent out a bunch of e-mails to friends yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to hear back form people saying they signed and thanked me for inviting them to participate. They all ended their messages with, “We must stop McCain.” Thanks for your leadership on this issue Jane.

Yes, I agree, that is what I was trying to say. I read that Krauthammer and Kristol saying they were very pleased with that part of McCain’s speech and elaborating about what it would mean in terms of destroying the UN.

AKA: Coalition of the Billing

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Citizen Hamsher:

“…after we go to the FEC we toddle down to the Washington Post and ask them why nobody there gives a shit. We may just have to do that.”

Oh yes give ‘em a taste of the wrath of “Jane of Arc”…you jest earned another Norske Medal of Citizenship…you go gal, take no fuckin’ prisoners!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND NO COMPROMISE…FEAR IS JEST A WORD!!

If I wasn’t a thousand ,iles away, I’d toddle off down there with you.

The Clintons will be just as bad as McCain, even allowing for the judicial nominees exception. It is a shame that this site does not take that approach. Finally, in Obama, we can obfuscate the Clintons, Gore, Kerry, the Bushes and everything associated with that debacle. Finally, in Obama, we have a candidate with sufficient intelligence and courage to provide some light, ergo–hope.

A-MEN, Citizen STTP, a-fuckin-men!

I see no need for Clinton- or Obama-bashing. I’m concerned enough for the upcoming elections that I’d be content if the two would just flip a coin and get it done with. Divisiveness among progressives only makes Rove smile.

Thank you, Norske. I’ll wear it with pride.

I’m at a panel right now at EschaCon08 listening to Echidne, Atrios and Paul Krugman talk about “DFH Economics.”

Will Bunch, Paul Lukasiack, Hubris Sonic, Kagro X. Digby, Matt Browner-Hamlin, Rox Populi, Julia, Athenae, Steve Simels, Thers, Watertiger and others I’m forgetting…lots of fun.

Couldn’t agree more. I try to focus my negative energy towards McCain and save Hillary and Obama from any more than they already have slammed at them. I figure Rove deserves it as does McCain. So that’s where my verbal slings and arrows head.

The Clintons are not an alternative, neither is McCain. It is not a party issue.

More bad news about McCain: Phil Gramm is one of his chief economic advisors. Gramm was a chief backer of the most mindless and destructive financial market deregulation efforts in the 1990s.

Phill Gramm is an ignroant goof. I think Gramm has a PhD in economics, but from what he has said and written, I do not understand now he could have gotten it. He seems to know very little beyond basic undergraduate Econ 101 stuff.

Gramm, like Steve Frobes, is one that intrepid band of ultra unregulated free market ideologues who is responding to current financial crisis by running fast as he can further into crazy land. These radcially unsound thinkers are trying to make the case that current economic and financial mess was actually causes by suffocating, rigid and overly restrictive financial regulation. Their new snake oil is to advocate accounting reform that will destroy any connection between corporation books and economic relality. This is a very very dangerous idea. It will take us back to the good old days of the ‘Gay 90s’. And I don’t mean the 1990s, I mean the late 1880s through 1900. Those days were very unstable economic times, characterized by wild fluctations -wild uncontrolled booms followed by panics and crashes on an almost annual bases.

Probably that kind of life is a dreamland for the Big Money GOP, since it was an environmnet in which there were only two classes of people: the very rich and very vulnerable.

In any case, more evidence that McCain will be dangerous to health, life and limb on economics and finance, as well as foreing affairs.

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Citizen leftdin72:

“The Clintons will be just as bad as McCain, even allowing for the judicial nominations exception. It is a shame that this site does not take that approach.”

This is the most open site around when it comes to space for political positions like that expressed above…I know ‘cuz I been beatin the drum that Mrs. Clinton-McCain would be WORSE than McCain because she would be in a position to destroy the hard won majorities the Dems have earned in the Congress. But this site is not jest a partisan megaphone, it is a community and an open university where everyone can enter the arena and hassle out political ideas and organize collective action when a consensus has been achieved (or not).

Be my guest to advocate and advance your ideas here but don’t try and pressure the management to compromise it’s most important mission which is to provide the space where political ideas and organization come together.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, FASCISM WON’T GO WITHOUT A FIGHT!!

I don’t worry about which Dem gets into Presidencey.

We need to restore Congress as a co-equal branch of government. Whoever gets into Presidency, they will need to have a strong Congress to kick some butt when necessary. They have to be willing to kick McCain, HRC or Obama butt, otherwise the sickness in federal government will not be cured.

John McCain supports torture of human beings by the United States of America.

John McCain:
Worse than Bush

Take them to the homes of the pundits, newsreaders, bloviators, editors et al. Their homes shouldn’t be a sanctuary when the government is listening to my phone conversations! Screw decorum. It’s just another way the ruling elite tries to protect the status quo.

Nothing will materially improve under the Clintons, that is my attempt at a simple point. Which seems to be attacked as Clinton bashing, a meaningless distinction in my “umble” view. It is time for Democrats to recognize what a dramatic problem we have with the Clintons and McCain. We need to eclipse both the Clintons and McCain.

Have a great day.

Jane, what is the process for getting an op-ed column into the newspaper? Why don’t you formally request an opportunity to write one on McCain’s campaign finance malfeasence for the Washington Post?

Very good!

The bumper stickers just write themselves…

John McCain
Bushed Again

Thanks for the inspiration, neuro.

H/T to Jane. As simple and obvious as “John McCain: Worse than Bush,” it was one of her posts that inspired me to think of that as a bumper sticker.

Damn, been out west so long I forgot about Eschacon… sigh… oh well, next year. How about an FDL meetup… might do better than Universal Kos-ality. The League of the Lake? LOL.

BTW, signed the petition, wish I had known sooner I would have gotten on “The List”.

…and how about USA Today and the NY Times and the Boston Globe and LA Times. Spread the word.

Jane! jane be careful around Watertiger until that supersecret spyphone has been checked out. I wouldn’t put it past Limpballs to sneak one into Eshacon on an unsuspecting participant. be very very quiet!!!

Greetings!
Gail Collins has a funny column in the NYT about McCain titled ‘McCain Foreclosures Early’

I laughed out loud at the end paragraph:

His economic vision makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He’s going to keep the Bush tax cuts, continue our $3-trillion-and-counting war in Iraq and decrease corporate taxes. And how is he going to pay for it? By getting rid of pork-barrel earmarks. And I am planning to remodel my house by purchasing a tube of Elmer’s glue.

I have no idea if this will come out formatted correctly, so here goes.

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Citizen Hamsher:

Wow, what a great opportunity to participate in a forum like that…I really admire people like you and Sister Hardin Smith who put their hard won reputations and achievements out there everyday and take advantage of the opportunities to mix it up on behalf of those of us who don’t have the chops or still hafta work ta get the kids outta the house (so ta speak).

You and Christy are in the group with Abigail Adams and Eleanor Roosevelt (and Mrs. Norske) that I have pushed on my two young daughters as examples of feminist difference makers…thanx again for doin’ what you do and doin’ it every day with no fear.

KEEP THE FAITH, WE GOTCHER BACK!!

…wouldn’t put it past Limpballs to try sneak in one of his supersecretdecoderringchaos spyphones in…

John McCain:
100 Years of War

I just signed. Cynically/realistically (which may be becoming synonyms), I have no confidence that your noble efforts will succeed. But, y’know, sometimes you just have to do what’s right.

Adie- Feel free to cite the data. If you need more information contact me at pilt down at saclink dot csus dot edu (and make the first two words a single word i.e. piltdown).

This was supposed to be for in-class purposes only, not for publication and I’m not even sure if I still have the actual data sheets still around. But the results were so stunning that I would bet if the survey was replicated it would largely get the same results. I was actually quite surprised at the fact that the biological scientists (and even physical scientists) at religious institutions like Baylor and SMU had such high acceptance of evolution. I think recall one commenting that he accepted theistic evolution (i.e. “God created natural evolutionary forces so as to eventually result in something like us”).

Nothing will materially improve under the Clintons, that is my attempt at a simple point. Which seems to be attacked as Clinton bashing, a meaningless distinction in my “umble” view. It is time for Democrats to recognize what a dramatic problem we have with the Clintons and McCain. We need to eclipse both the Clintons and McCain.

One might prefer Obama, but there is no comparison between Clinton and McCain, because one of them will get to appoint the next justice to the Supreme Court. Who, like Clarence Thomas, will serve for life. Whatever ones opinion of Clinton, it is imperative that this not be another neocon.

There is simply no way to put McCain (or any other conceivable rethug canddiate) and either one of our two Democratic hopefuls into one camp.. to do so IMO is pure demagoguary, or, at best, a focus on two narrow a subset of issues. I do have my questions on Obama.. IMO he simply fails to state his positions and policy proscriptions with enough clarity or specifity for me to judge whether his views match my own, but, frankly, I’ll vote for either of them. McCain’s values of those of his constituency — dead white men. The same can be said of neither the junior senators from Illinois or New York.

we toddle on down to the Washington Post and ask them why nobody there gives a shit.

We may just have to do that. Because, you know, it’s kind of important.

don’t forget to ply them with bar-b-q

Jane of Arc and the Ladies of the Lake. You gotta figure out a decent title for the male posters now.

That was really interesting, thanks for sharing that

If you’re still here - did you hear that they arrested a wildlife park official in the murders last year of the mountain gorillas?

http://news.nationalgeographic.....rrest.html

Latest FaBlog: John McCain Saved From Drowning

Thank you much. Your findings will mean a great deal, even if accompanied by partial documentation, to some biologists, geologists and anthropologists for whom we hold highest respect.

— Adie