Obama’s economic speech yesterday was not the usual campaign stump piece but instead a serious policy address, delivered [near] the heart of New York’s financial district.
The speech includes an historical overview of the role of government in the economy, beginning with the arguments between Hamilton and Jefferson. It traces the rationale for economic regulation, where it got off the track and what we need to do to fix it. It was an economic analogue to his speech on race in America.
There are parts of this speech that probably won’t get much attention from the media, but they should. Here is just the part leading up to Obama’s call for regulatory reforms (which McCain’s aide claimed he embraces — see previous post):
. . . the American experiment has worked in large part because we have guided the market’s invisible hand with a higher principle. Our free market was never meant to be a free license to take whatever you can get, however you can get it. That is why we have put in place rules of the road to make competition fair, and open, and honest. We have done this not to stifle – but rather to advance prosperity and liberty. As I said at NASDAQ last September: the core of our economic success is the fundamental truth that each American does better when all Americans do better; that the well being of American business, its capital markets, and the American people are aligned.
I think all of us here today would acknowledge that we’ve lost that sense of shared prosperity.
This loss has not happened by accident. It’s because of decisions made in boardrooms, on trading floors and in Washington. Under Republican and Democratic Administrations, we failed to guard against practices that all too often rewarded financial manipulation instead of productivity and sound business practices. We let the special interests put their thumbs on the economic scales. The result has been a distorted market that creates bubbles instead of steady, sustainable growth; a market that favors Wall Street over Main Street, but ends up hurting both.
Nor is this trend new. The concentrations of economic power – and the failures of our political system to protect the American economy from its worst excesses – have been a staple of our past, most famously in the 1920s, when with success we ended up plunging the country into the Great Depression. That is when government stepped in to create a series of regulatory structures – from the FDIC to the Glass-Steagall Act – to serve as a corrective to protect the American people and American business.
The policies of the Bush Administration threw the economy further out of balance. Tax cuts without end for the wealthiest Americans. A trillion dollar war in Iraq that didn’t need to be fought, paid for with deficit spending and borrowing from foreign creditors like China. A complete disdain for pay-as-you-go budgeting – coupled with a generally scornful attitude towards oversight and enforcement – allowed far too many to put short-term gain ahead of long term consequences. The American economy was bound to suffer a painful correction, and policymakers found themselves with fewer resources to deal with the consequences.
Today, those consequences are clear. I see them in every corner of our great country, as families face foreclosure and rising costs. I seem them in towns across America, where a credit crisis threatens the ability of students to get loans, and states can’t finance infrastructure projects. I see them here in Manhattan, where one of our biggest investment banks had to be bailed out, and the Fed opened its discount window to a host of new institutions with unprecedented implications we have yet to appreciate. When all is said and done, losses will be in the many hundreds of billions. What was bad for Main Street was bad for Wall Street. Pain trickled up.
That is why the principle that I spoke about at NASDAQ is even more urgently true today: in our 21st century economy, there is no dividing line between Main Street and Wall Street. The decisions made in New York’s high-rises have consequences for Americans across the country. And whether those Americans can make their house payments; whether they keep their jobs; or spend confidently without falling into debt – that has consequences for the entire market. The future cannot be shaped by the best-connected lobbyists with the best record of raising money for campaigns. This thinking is wrong for the financial sector and it’s wrong for our country.
. . .
After months of inaction, the President spoke here in New York and warned against doing too much. His main proposal – extending tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans – is completely divorced from the reality that people are facing around the country. John McCain recently announced his own plan, and it amounts to little more than watching this crisis happen. While this is consistent with Senator McCain’s determination to run for George Bush’s third term, it won’t help families who are suffering, and it won’t help lift our economy out of recession. . . .
In his policy addresses, Obama appears to be laying out a coherent, unifying theory of government and a more or less progressive framework for the Democratic platform. (But see Krugman on comparisons with Clinton.) There are echoes of FDR’s New Deal. And he’s using statements whose clarity and intelligence we haven’t seen from any President in decades. He’s a teacher, and he could be our next President.
Update: Jared Bernstein at TPM responds to Krugman’s Obama/Clinton comparison.
Related posts:
- Why Self-Regulation Doesn’t Work: Lenders Pursue Fees to Bolster Bottom Line
- Re: Re-Regulation — Got Change?
- Larry Summers Explains His Approach to Financial Regulation
- Financial Regulation Reform: Give Us Your Talking Points
- Obama to Congress: Insurance Requirement Okay with Public Health Plan Option and Cost Regulation





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so? ;-)
Why can’t we just anoint this guy our candidate now?
Or better yet, our new Leader?
Good Morning everyone…. sun coming up in AZ and predict a high of 88 today… going for a cuppa…. anyone need a warm up?
Good morning Scarecrow — Caw, caw!
Senator Webb’s success in Virginia was, beyond his early and public stand against the Iraq invasion, based on persuading people he could help stem the erosion of shared prosperity. He saw the middle class becoming impoverished to a degree not seen since the first depression.
yes, like some hot chocolate,
it sure isn’t 88 here, it’s cold and dreary
am listening to the Cooper Union speech again.
So?!
The closing grafs from Paul Krugman’s column this morning:
It is amazing that anyone runs to be president of the US. It’s like running to be captain of the Titanic although I guess it was a pretty good job before it hit the iceburg. Maybe we’ll get lucky with Obama. He’s intelligent and inclined to unify. What’s more he even seems to be comparatively honest.
I do wish Hillary would go away. I hope the people of Pennsylvania can get around bigotry and decisively defeat her. I fear they may not.
Yeah, I just read Krugman’s article. Hillary is the more progressive of the two. Unfortunately she is using up whatever currency she had with me on fighting it out with Obama. I wish she would take her cues from Gore.
So what does everybody think of Paul Krugman as the new head of the Federal Reserve I bet we could swing a few percentage points with that move, and force McCain to defend Helicopter Ben a classic we win the GOP losses move.
All we have to do is convince Hilary, Obama and Paul.
I added a link to Krugman’s column today, in which he compares the Clinton and Obama proposals with McCain’s. He finds Clintons specifics more appealing, but also makes the connection with FDR’s New Deal.
If folks have seen other serious critiques of the speech, bring ‘em on.
I’m with you there.
OT: Not sure it has been posted here. Forgive me if it has. Over at Dkos, they are saying Leahy is calling for Hilary to withdraw.
He described the situation very well, but did I miss what he would do to correct the situation?
“…except for asking Greenspan to help design further remedies”
Cocktail weenies, anyone?
this is a really nice speech, I love the way he equates regulation with profit
one thing he missed though is the fact that regulation is usually brought on by the bills industry refuses to pay even though they caused the issue in the first place
case in point, I remember flying over new york and cali, you always saw the film of sulpher, then regulations to clean the air and now no film
industry creates issues, refuses to address those issues and we have to regulate to compensate
contrary to the libertarian principle, this regulation IS in fact the market deciding and regulating itself, it is done through us, we create the playing field, we create the rules
they don’t get to make the rules, we do
I’m not sure you and Krugman are right in calling Hillary the more progressive of the two. Obama may be keeping his powder dry. He’s not into taking positions he knows will not carry the day. His life experiences indicate an identification with the lower and middle classes.
We’re not done with the primaries, and there are still two candidates. What I’m picking up is the pattern Obama uses to address major issues and his ability to affect the national debate. Clinton responds with more constructive proposals. This part of the competition is healthy. The rest, not so much.
Leahy to Clinton: withdraw
Interesting to read the speculation about Gore emerging from a brokered convention as the anointed one, presumably with Obama his veeper. Okay, the Time article was written by Joe Klein, so it’s a loopy source.
And then there’s MSNBC’s speculation about an Obama/Bloomberg marriage.
Scarecrow, the concept of a president who can be coherent in and of itself brings me nearly to tears.
at the risk of being told my comment is gibberish, i don’t see what is particularly progressive about obama’s policy proposals. they seem to me to be more in the style of pre-reagan republicans – focus is on growth and market efficiency (not economic justice) along with sane and streamlined regulation for the benefit of both main street and wall street. the one exception is, i think, the call for transparency and openness in financial markets. Depending on how it is implemented (and since lessig is advising, i am hopeful), that could be a truly progressive policy.
mind you, this isn’t necessarily a complaint – after the last 10 years this sounds pretty good to me, and no one advocating a rethinking the rules for incorporation is going to be elected president. but i think calling this a progressive framework is not accurate and worse, it cuts off the discussion of what we want to work towards in the long term.
” A trillion dollar war in Iraq that didn’t need to be fought, paid for with deficit spending and borrowing from foreign creditors like China. A complete disdain for pay-as-you-go budgeting – coupled with a generally scornful attitude towards oversight and enforcement – allowed far too many to put short-term gain ahead of long term consequences.”
Short term gain above longterm consequences or the sure I’m drunk but I feel like drinking even after I puke philosophy of money. Hmm as a former Cokehead I’m sure G.W knows all about indulging past the point of common sense.
Which is fine at a party but its not what I look for in a President’s economic policy.
I think Leahy was already an Obama supporter. If Clinton supporters say, “it’s over,” that would be different.
This is a rather pinched view of democracy and a very unflattering opinion of Pennsylvania.
I think we have the time to let this nomination contest run its course. In fact, I think it is in our colllective best interest that it does. Moreover, I do not believe Pennsylvania or any of the other remaining contests will be decided by bigots.
amen to that.
If the surrogates could be muzzled(toned down) or their comments not blown up into Brittney panties importance the next few months could be so much better.
If BOTH HRC & Obama could campaign against McBush… where they try to convince US which one would be best to crush McBush…. that would cause the MSM have whiplash…
I don’t see how describing this as progressive cuts off any discussion. Have at it.
And what you have to say is never gibberish, even if I say so. :)
Good morning Selise.
a good morning to you too scarecrow.
Is anyone disturbed by this? Upcoming war with Venezuala? I agree with Naomi Klein. It’s time to stop cheerleading both candidates. Neither is a progressive (Although I prefer Clinton’s healthcare plan to Obama’s Harry and Louise). They need to answer to many things. One question: will Obama or Clinton continue ChimpCo’s agressive policy toward Chavez, or will respect the sovereignty of Venezuala? Direct answers needed from either. I think I already know what Mccains answer is.
That’s not gibberish Selise.
About a month ago, I suggested that Clinton and Obama start a joint speaking tour of the remaining primary states. Joint appearances — a dialogue and then let the voters choose. My colleagues didn’t think it would work.
Whoever does the best job of taking down McCain will get my support.
Now quit the circular firing squad and get on with it!
True, but I do believe that there will be concerted pressure put on Hilary to withdraw before the primary gets too close to the convention.
Already, on CBS this morning I noted that they are talking about the long drawn out primary hurting Dems. Once that starts, the pressure will be on.
By the way, I’m not advocating one way or the other at this point. Just pointing out the obvious. Once the networks start saying this is hurting Dems, the pressure will come, IMO.
Please do forgive me for going OT on your post. Gotta run.
I agree Penn should vote. So should Florida and Michigan and the other states. In addition to that, I think Naomi Klein is right in pointing out that this race, could be used to pressure the candidates, to say, disavow Blackwater, etc.
“bomb bomb bomb bomb-bomb Caracas”?
focus is on growth and market efficiency (not economic justice) along with sane and streamlined regulation for the benefit of both main street and wall street. the one exception is, i think, the call for transparency and openness in financial markets.
Transparency and openness in the market would be a big step nobody trusts the banks, housing industry, hedgefund numbers or anybody invested in them big like the Pension funds. I’m not sure a Democratic President can do it unless the system collapses even more, which granted is likely.
But I think you nailed it efficiency is nice but some justice with consequences would convince people and banks to trust each others numbers as real.
Without trust the system collapses. Economic Justice is a small issue we need to explore more if we want to change things in November.
One thing that gives me hope about Obama is that his signature issue while in Illinois was the need to be videotaping police interrogations and confessions. I think that shows a commitment to justice and the little guy that runs deep.
That’s not even funny. I don’t want Chavez to turn into another Allende.
I mean the assassination of Allende part.
ooh, I’m sorry I didn’t mean to be upsetting.
excellent links, thanks.
i think there’s an unconscious feeling that criticism of the dems is somehow helping mccain. in my head, i don’t think this is true… but i understand the emotional tug. imo, it’s something we have to fight against. neither candidate represents us – but that doesn’t mean we can’t support their candidacy. we can (and imo, must) support a candidate while being their harshest critics.
What’re ya thinkin’, Scarecrow? Civilized exchange of ideas? Intra-partisan discussion? Where’s the sensationalism in that?? *g*
man, that is the frigging battle cry for the presidential race no matter who we choose, that is really really good
Actually, I think the political shows on cable would love these events. And the’d be great ads for the Dem party.
Dean weighs in on divisivness et al. An excerpt:
This looks good for Obama. Classic Obama: Great writing and persuasive. He’s got my support. I can see little different between Clinton or McCain. She’s promoting Alan Greenspan as her economic advisor, and she want’s lower middle class people to pay 10 percent of their limited income while her Billionaire supporters pay only maybe a half percent of income for health care. She’s not quite sure what to do with the fact that health care inflation has increased to 17 percent of national income….So who’s she fooling? Give me a break from more Clinton Republicratic BS. I can’t trust her, and I see little difference between her and McCain. Obama on the other hand might be a true Progressive for once.
He’s got a long way to go. The Swiftboaters are sharpening their knives using the Wright minister’s racialist rhetoric and they won’t let conservative blue collar types of Democrats forget it. Archie Bunker still lives esp. in rust belt America. But if Obama can convince that he’s on their side…there could be hope then.
sounds good to me too.
i suspect the only people who would be against the idea are the people associated with either campaign.
I think so, too. But it’s so damn . . . civilized!
Yes except the opportunity for dialogue somehow turns into a pie throwing contest, I wish it weren’t so. There are a lot of questions unanswered. Venezuala. Military contractors. Supreme Court picks. Telcom immunity & basket warrants.
Should we start a list, send them to both campaigns and publish the answers?
fyi – Senator Leahy endorsed Senator Obama on 1/17/08
I looove me some Krugman, but it is definitely wise to remember that at least half the country is scared to death of economic populism.
There will definitely be a big difference between what gets said on the campaign trail and what gets enacted. My problem with Hillary’s proposals are not that they are better or worse (read, they are better in my opinion) but that they will not get enacted because she is a terrible salesperson and while able to convince the base will only provoke the opposition. Ergo, gridlock 2010…
I also believe that Barack is the most amenable to pressure from below since it is his only claim to legitimacy. If we want to push him toward more progressive policies, we push.
Until enough talk on the blogs about McCain impacts the MSM, we need to be the media…. when you talk to anyone….. point out all the great posts here that have brought up just how critical it is to defeat McBush.
Start with the Supreme Court….. not discussing choice but the recent case where they refused to hear the Walmart case wanting THE last dollar of a injured Walmart employee who was brain damaged….
How AZ has received more than $91 BILLION in defense contracts since 2001…. it is high % of our GDP. [trying to find the article]… more war more war more war…
My line with McBush is that he has NO family values…..as a mother of two adopted Korean kids, McBush’s lack of defense of his adopted daughter from racial attacks really cooked it for me. NO ONE messes with my kids…
I’d like to see Hillary do something we would really benefit from, namely replacing Harry “Empty Suit” Reid.
I believe that Eleanore Roosevelt sat for months in Congress to try and get anti lynching legislation passed. She didn’t get it passed, but that doesn’t mean the seeds weren’t sown somehow. It’s better to have someone stand up for something, even if the sales pitch fails, then nothing at all.
I hope you’re right
i agree with you on that as well.
Well if McCain and Supreme Court is an awful thought. In fact, we’re cooked if that came to pass. (I know spit three times on the ground in Chinese fashion.)
I’m not worried Hugo is popular, Columbia Bush’s puppet in the region on the other hand just got diplomatically slapped by Ecuador for that border incursion. I’m sure Boliva, Brazil and maybe Argentina and Peru made some quiet threats too.
In other words we have no credit in the area. We don’t have the troops to occupy the area and without local support in the area neither local or UN troops will step in, remember the plan for Iraq was a quick handoff to other troops as soon as we established stability. (stability Iraq I kill myself laughing sometimes).
I’m sure Bush would love a military coup but after what happened last time I don’t see to many army officers trusting Bush to bail them out if things go wrong.
Bush needs the troops home to take out Hugo but their in Iraq so no worries.
As a Republic, McCain simply sees no reason to practice what he preaches. After all, the Republic Party Platform states that rhetoric is only used for gathering votes and bares no similarity to real behavior.
You don’t think they might try some sort of Chilean option?
What?!
Rational, reasonable and respectful discussion …
Sufferin’ dog hairs!
Adult-level thinking?!!
I musta died and gone to nuance heaven.
Who’da thunk it?
Good morning all!
pinched view is certainly one way of thinking about it but that in itself is a bit ‘pinched’. It could also be in this protracted contest that people are just tired of the bile and want it to end. It stopped being a constructive contest a while ago and at this point, it is painful to witness the blood letting.
great idea!
i’m definitely interested in that. and it seems like jane has access to blogger conference calls with members of clinton’s campaign… so, if the idea takes off and we do our homework, we could ask jane if she’s willing to ask clinton’s team for a response. obama might be more difficult (i get the impression he’s not very keen on the dfh bloggers), but it doesn’t hurt to ask.
It seems to me that to have Senator Leahy advocating for a speedy resolution to any matter is more ironic than rain on your wedding day.
Just saying.
If it is essential that we have a candidate by April 1st, why were primaries scheduled for April, May and June? Why was the damn convention scheduled for August?
The thing is that it is not essential. It is a bunch of hooey that gets repeated over and over by a bunch selfimportant half-wits like Matthews and KO until virtually everyone accepts it as the truth.
In my view both Obama and Clinton are better candidates today than they were a month ago and will be even better by June.
well Scarecrow. . .a little walk back from a link in the last thread about McIdiot’s ‘record’ –
S.256 Bankruptcy Bill – McIdiot – Aye, Obama – Nay, Clinton, No Vote
S.2338 Predatory Lending Consumer Protection Act – McIdiot – No, Obama – No Vote, Clinton – No Vote
S.256 – Truth In Lending, sponsored by Dodd – link says McIdiot refused to sign on as co-sponsor, same can be said of both Dem candidates
facts are pesky things :D
you are a keen observer and very smart pioson….can you imagine appearing as the black FDR….”g”
Thanks. I’m an English major, not a political scientist. But I believe strongly in the power of language, particularly when it’s paired with integrity. We’ve had a heaping heap of diarrhea mouth spouting dangerous wackadoodle nonsense for eight longggggg years. Perception is reality, they say. My perception is that Obama has the wherewithal to comfort this nation (think fireside e-chats) even as he sets about the seriously thankless job of trying to repair it.
Poor Iraq. Did anyone watch the Frontline program Bush’s War?
Interesting about a possible attack upon Chavez. Now, that could be construed as a possible disaster as Bush could use the excuse of 4+dollar a gallon prices of gas (which is mostly profit taking by speculators at that level) as a national emergency and use Directive 51 to annul congressional oversite of his military actions. An October surprise of a new order.
Fox news sure has been drumming up a war against Chavez for a long time.
Email me then. supermui AT lycos DOT com
hey the man married his money….he is filthy rich,and as you know…he got his ,we can go pound sand
I’m killing time before I have to run out the door right now, but I would really like to take Naomi Klein’s advice to heart.
Allende was popular, Mosaddeq was popular…
Brazil threat? No, more diplomatic pressure on all involvd. Hugo isn’t dumb. He knows that the region could be easily destabilized by a war and that there is no more broad support for Him (hugo) as there is for Bush.
Hugo is popular because he manages his economy very well I think we need to steal him to run our economy.
The Bush/MainstreamMedia lies about Hugo are meant to protect America from the idea of poor people getting healthcare at the expense of the rich.
Unlike the boom and bust economies of oil states like Russia, Iran and Texas Hugo is putting money aside for a rainy day. He invests in food for his people and education.
http://www.scribd.com/full/206…..rfi05akoan
It’s sick for Faux News to do this. After all the movies, the literature on Pinochets coup.
voting against the Credit industrie’s special dispensation Bankruptcy act is a major plus for Obama. Clinton held her nose and let it pass.
Not to distract, but I think what’s happening in Basra deserves a post. A Plameology post.
After all, I think we may finally have some serious, if circumstantial, evidence that Cheney himself has committed, not perjury, but actual, outright treason.
He met with Maliki 10 days ago, and now, with no special provocation between Sadr’s people and Maliki’s, Maliki has launched a battle he knows his own forces can’t win.
Almost certainly, he believes he can pull American troops into this battle, and create a Fallujah-like situation, where Sadrists are crushed and driven from the city (after all, that’s the only situation in which Maliki can win the provincial elections that are the publically acknowledge motive for Cheney’s visit.)
Did Cheney scheme with a foreign leader to provoke a battle that American troops would be drawn into? Was this an authorized policy of the president?
Does Maliki perhaps have a recording of the conversation, allowing him to extort Cheney, who now knows that if Maliki falls, the evidence of his treason will be made public?
I know the campaign is all consuming these days, but it’s worth pointing out that returning Iraq to the center of the nation’s conversation will not hurt Obama’s chances in the Fall.
Let’s start talking Iraq. And Cheney. And treason.
What was said in that secret conference in Baghdad?
And nationalize oil companies. Uh Oh, *looking over my shoulder for Neocon spooks.*
We’re almost to $4 gas right now without attacking Chavez. Mission Accomplished!
hehehe, I jumped in without a greeting *blush*
bom dia, pups
They failed once in a coup attempt, so what happened to the army officers involved? I’m guessing that after that Bush will find it a lot harder to get Volunteers for the next one!
unfortunately yes…seems colon powell was the onl one who could have derailed the neoCONS
The excerpts are beautiful use of the English language and an accurate description of reality. One thing for sure, Barack Obama he is not a member of the “Greed is Good” cult spewing lies and propaganda.
anyone remember his offer after Katrina?
But if they pass money off to army officers?
Next Stop,
I am also highly suspicious of what the ulterior motive of the recent Cheney Tour of Death through the Middle East.
I still have grave fears that this is the pretext to further regional escalation.
Wherever these Bush and Cheney go death and destruction follow.
-G
Oh, if that were the case . . .
depose Chavez ??? really, with what army ? we couldn’t invade Phoenix if we wanted to
Caw, Caw Scarecrow! I’d like to commend you for the post, but I feel like I should commend Obama instead, since quite a bit of it was his. But I thank you for spotlighting it here.
I understand that Obama is advocating for a bill supported (sponsored? authored?) by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. (How can that be, since one is a Representative in the House and the other a Senator?) Does anyone know Ian’s take on that? Or is there more to Obama’s position and what is Ian’s take on that? How does Ian’s philosophy differ from Krugman’s? Any ideas, anyone? Because I’m still puzzled. (Boy, nothing like revealing my ignorance in one fell swoop!)
not sure if Hugo is doing that well. in Fact my latin friends from the region aren’t too happy with him at the moment. Whether they are influenced by propaganda or not is another question but there has been serious problems with small business not getting enough produce and such for ordinary people to buy and a serious crime epidemic (perhaps imported from Colombia as Colombia is being hard on the criminals by extralegal means and there is a porous border between the two). Hugo’s still popular but he needs to at least address lower middle class interests in crime prevention and goods and services. (As in Chile of Allende, the US isn’t always the only problem although I am sure the CIA is doing things to worsen the situation…but Hugo could use a little advice at times).
I take Krugman’s point on the relative merits of the candidate’s proposals. But we’ve had an administration that for eight years (and Republicans since Reagan) that have done everything they can to undermine some very basic principles about the role/responsibilities of government in the economy. And it’s hurt the country in countless ways.
I singled out this portion of Obama’s speech because it’s a direct refutation of what we’ve heard and because this view needs to be resurrected and brought back into the public discourse. It seems basic to me, but it’s not cw in our media.
Once that’s done, if this view of government leads to adopting Clinton’s proposals over Obama’s (where they differ) because they’re better, or adopting even better proposals, that’s fine with me. But first we have to create the public framework in which considering these ideas is acceptable and not dismissed out of hand. That’s the value of the speech, IMO.
OT: This was news to me:
Ex. Governor Seligman to be released!
Greg,
I agree. If Cheney has provoked a consumating battle, the Fallujah Strategy, then Sadrists won’t be able to flee to other cities. They’ll have to flee to Iran, which will continue that polarization.
And Basra’s position at the heart of Iraq’s oil economy seems to provide the motive.
What did Cheney say in Baghdad? We need to know. What did Cheney really say in Baghdad?
It was interesting to me that Frontline actually said Powell, Tenet and Rumsfeld were fired, and not resigning to spend time with children.
It was also interesting that they said that horrible bombing of the Shiite mosque was done by Al Quaeda to spur civil war. Now Al Quaeda has never been friendly to Shiites, but I wonder what evidence supports that claim..
The thing that alarmed me was Cheney’s posterior motive to Americans and the World.
I’ve come to be a strong Obama supporter and believe Clinton’s continued campaign is distructive to the Democratic Party and chances of Democratic victories in November. I believe her health plan and economic recovery plan were slightly better than his. However, I believe both Democratic candidates philosophically believe in promoting the common good, do not believe the nation is made better or stronger by the concentration of wealth in the hands of a [few] and increasing disparity between the haves and have-nots. Moreover, I believe both are pragmatists, rather than ideologues, and will use their intelligence to experiment, change, adapt as necessary, rather than continously try to fit square pegs into round holes. I don’t know if we can repair the damage of the last 7 years, but I think we only have a chance with Democrats.
surrogates. Like in Chile.
Just remember that Sheriff Joe has his own tank…. Phoenix really might be a lot harder than Baghdad…
i’ll email you asap… and if anyone else wants to help, email me at gmail dot com.
That should be Governor Siegelman. Sorry for the typo.
Bolivia’s Evo Morales sees US meddling in his nation.
You don’t say.
*Links to Al Ja*eera
-G
they are not going anywhere – and unlike the great american cause, their recruitment is up 10,000% since Sunday – al-Maliki going after Shia has provoked tens of thousands of fence sitters to side with the Sadrists
It will be extremely difficult for Obama to publicly espouse lower and middle class rhetoric of any kind without the Republican fascist media pouncing on him as per directions from the WH. If Obama becomes too popular (populist) he will labeled a traitor and commie and terrorist by the Republican media that dominates any so called news.
and when the final decision to commence the war,it was Prezeldent Cheneys call
Ah but all the crazy driven CIA people know the road to career growth is in Iraq where the President’s attention is not South America where the second stringers are forced to work. Plus South America is just now freeing itself from the last bunch of American instigated military coups and the Milton Friedman economic damage they did.
Pinochet has been fighting to avoid trial. Children of Lefties whose parents were killed were later adopted by the very wealthy to become proper citizens are now finding out who their real parents were.
Columbia has despite all the military aid we have been sending them has been sending us alot of immigrants the last few years because they don’t trust or like how things are going down there.
Maliki extended by 10 days the time when they have to “put down their guns.” Guess this will just go on.
hey, we do with ‘army we have’. It doesn’t matter if we win…but if the military loses it’s even better for Bush et al, they can dictate an emergency and blame “Liberal traitors” for not supporting their wars and still announce a national emergency.
Our gas in upstate NY and VT is around $3.32 a gal. but I understand California could be worse. I think over $4.00 will really get traction for ‘disaster capitalism’ to go to work and I can see whining Americans saluting the troops off to Venz or anywhere Bush wants…but major points for Obama too. More likely Wall Street speculators in Oil futures will artfully lower the price monthes before the election as they did more or less in ‘06 (to no avail. for the Repugs.)
what surrogates ? who in the hell is gonna lineup against Chavez/OPEC with Bush ? Allende had plenty of enemies in country – Chavez’s enemies have failed to date
But if they fail what will Hugo do to them and their families?
cbl2,
I agree that Sadrists won’t give up.
But I don’t think the Sunnis in Fallujah gave up. Their city was simply leveled, and there was nowhere to hide. I don’t think we can “win” a war in Iraq. But it’s pretty clear that a policy of extermination and salting the earth would actually clear the ground. Is that the way being paved by Cheney?
But again, the question isn’t so much what WILL happen. For now, the question is what IS happening (are American troops already “taking the lead” in Basra, as the Post reports?); and what DID happen (what did Cheney say in Baghdad?)
What did Cheney say in Baghdad?
But Scarecrow, it’s really hard to do that when one candidate is ridiculing the other with say, Harry and Louise flyers. Both candidates have to be pinned down, and called on for righty swipes. I mean I think moveon, instead of a “vote” could have been much more helpful if they questioned the candidates with the kind of list Selise and I were thinking of and published it. Side by Side.
We will probably never know. Today’s MSM does not care enough to dig for the answer. The records will be forever sealed at the Bush Library/Amusement Park.
I’m hoping Ian will address this later in the week. Both Obama and Clinton have proposals that have the government stepping in in some cases to back or take over mortgages, if needed to rescue the homeowner. The owners and lenders take a haircut, but not as bad as they would have otherwise, if the property appreciates later. As I understand what Ian is suggesting, the government would go one step further — create a market for establishing a clearing price for mortgates (and setting a floor on the price) so that the lending market can start to function again within a framework they understand.
I’ve been through a somewhat similar debate in electricity, and it was horrendous. We fought the Enrons of the world every step – and eventually won, but it took a decade and we’re still fighting skirmishes.
Excellent.
I remember being stunned at watching the prices drop by the 5’s and 10’s on the run-up to ‘06.
-G
Hey, we’re part of OPEC now thanks to the Iraq occupation. Mission Accomplished!
What does Hugo Chavez do to them and their families? That may not be a likeable part of the guy. I seriously want the next president to respect Venezuala’s sovereignty though.
and the swift boaters don’t even have to work hard;
my sales manager is a middle of the road republican who admits this president did alot of harm, yet all he can do is fault obama
he says obama should have walked out on wright and therefore he’s not going to vote for him
I says…but mccain went out and asked for a biggot’s endorsement who actually said your riligion is crap
he says…well then I guess I won’t vote for anyone…but the point is, he had no problem with mccain until I pointed out the reason he had a problem with obama was that he’s a bigot.
the swift boaters have a head start, whatever they say will be broadly accepted by the republicans as true
word
Happened last night. Sieligman ordered released by the Appeals Court, that did not agree with the lower court. It has been said that it means the Appeals Court thinks the case has a very good chance of being overturned. It’s very good news, indeed!
Far be it from me to defend the MSM, but I would submit that digging for answers re anything BushCo perpetrates is a tunnel to nowhere.
Scarecrow:
Cooper Union is in the Village, not in “the heart of the financial district” isn’t it? And it’s a venue associated with Lincoln.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
I agree the negative attacks, from both sides, are harmful.
Very well said, Scarecrow;
Obama’s speech definitely could, if the public READS it, serve us all very well.
Too often, the ‘framework’ for public discussion is deliberately too-small and of very shoddy construction.
For its historical perspective alone, his speech serves a a ‘learning moment’.
I think Obama very gifted in this capacity, which is one of the reasons I prefer him to Clinton.
We all benefit from his forays into substantive discussion.
Mui,
Michelle Bachelet’s profile doesn’t seem like that of one who would go in the tank for a Bush/Cheney dirty war.
-G
monsters…we have puppet monsters!
Chavez and ‘Hussein’ Obama will be the new terrorist as per McBush/McChaney/McCrazy fascist propaganda and spin agency.
It’ll be harder to drop prices because of Bush’s destruction of the dollar’s value.
That was probably the view of Nixon, but at least there was an MSM then that tried.
Luv the part when Chimpy told everyone at the meeting that he gave Iraq “48 hours”, my “word is my word.” Decision was sort of like telling a child to clean up his/or her room by giving him some arbitrary deadline. Our preznit blew our country and Iraq based on the most facile reasoning.
evendumbass Larry 7 wives King,is working it over the D.Wright stuff….they want to crucify both of themn
Not only do I like the content of his words but he is able to speak to people clearly – and isn’t that a change. By the way, thanks for your kind words in the thread last night.
An OPEC country that can’t afford food with oil at $100 a barrel or is America using its influence to tighten the screws on Hugo’s economy by delaying food shipments in an attempt to destablize the economy like Nixon did with Argentina.
The rich with their boom and bust economy created the conditions where even with American and Catholic Church opposition Hugo is still in power.
Han Fe Tzu has a great story about a prince threatened by two armies forced to await the armies in a city where the wealth had been left in the people’s not governments hands and the idle rich were put to more productive work.
I keep referring to history.
Krugman has made valuable contributions to the debate and has scored a few deserved points for Clinton, today and with his endorsement of her mandates. But it seems to me he’s neglected her Senate record, for example, her vote for the bankruptcy bill (Obama didn’t vote, I believe).
Meanwhile, he is often a peevish and parochial partisan for her, calling Obama supporters (me) “cult members” and categorizing Clinton’s critics as saying she “tortures puppies and eats babies”.
David Kay gave us a birdseye view,(to his credit) of the whole illegal catastrophe
I don’t know but I bet they lost their jobs did some jail time got out of the country lost their pensions and now in exile in Florida they wonder why the rednecks treat them like they were Indians.
I always have a hard time of it when someone uses terms like “free markets” and “invisible hand”. There has never been such a thing as a free market ever. It is always a question of who controls a market and for whose benefit. The only hands involved are those belonging to one or both of these. I’m not trying to be very critical here. Obama’s speech sounds fine. But until I hear someone how they are going to restrict hedge funds and derivative trading there will be more bubbles and the risk of a complete collapse.
Good morning Scarecrow! Thanks for the topic focus.
Krugman’s NYT piece this morning is a good summary on the candidates on the economy. I support Obama but I could grasp Hillary’s policy porposals better. I felt like I could get a little closer to her position. Obama has some of the same elements as Hillary but there are lots of open-ended comments that I can’t understand. However, my sense is that Obama is getting a grasp of the totality of our economy and the impact of this dreadful Recession. I think his solutions are a work in progress. I am very interested in who will be his advisers.
McCain is just as Krugman says, it is Bush’s third term under NeoCon idiology. That is totally unacceptable.
press conference with Bush and the Australian Prime Minister Rudd just about to start on CSPAN 1
Imagine being sent to exile to a country where Lou Dobbs rallies the 30%ers against you everyday!
I do hope, Twain, that you will share, evermore with us, your wealth of experience and understanding. I thank you. I enjoyed your comment about oleo and yellow dye, having heard that before, it touched memories of some loved ones, departed now, from my life, but not my thoughts.
Your knowledge is a treasure for the rest of us.
Tell Rudd no earwax nibbling please.
-G
“… the core of our economic success is the fundamental truth that each American does better when all Americans do better; that the well being of American business, its capital markets, and the American people are aligned.”
— Obama
“Obama appears to be laying out a coherent, unifying theory of government and a more or less progressive framework for the Democratic platform. (But see Krugman on comparisons with Clinton.) There are echoes of FDR’s New Deal. And he’s using statements whose clarity and intelligence we haven’t seen from any President in decades.”
— Scarecrow
Very nice from Obama and Scarecrow!
There are two parts to Obama’s statement.
The first is the ‘rising tide’ argument and I think most of us agree with that. But, it doesn’t mean “Wall Street” agrees. They have their own agenda and it will take quite some argument to convince them they can’t be rich unless the rest of us share.
The second is that the capital markets and Main Street are aligned when more and more the capital markets see their new relationships to oversees ’streets’ as more important.
We do need a clarification of our new world commerce paradigm. We need to see the connections and when pushing a lever here puts people into danger over there. Right now there is a disconnect and many people are feeling the pain while those causing it don’t realize or care.
Ideally we’d see more places where doing X here benefits people in many places, especially America.
How, for example, does our American business trade with foreign firms benefit America? How does it impact Main Street Americans? How can that cause & effect be improved through government or corporate changes?
There’s clearly room for improvement, for big bold changes that would benefit everyone in the world.
Thanks for the heads up. I was looking for a way to kill my last 2 brain cells and this just may be it. :)
Will the White House be serving hotdogs tonight?
I worry about that. Destabilizing an economy as done by Nixon/Kissinger, is disgusting.
McBush and dictators think left politics are just plain evil when they lean toward helping the poor or sick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…../venezuela
don’t know we are ever going to know that
WaPo tried to spin it like he did it without consulting us – yeah whatever
I believe it was an order to Maliki to secure Basra/port for al-Hakim’s party in the October elections
in contrast to how Maliki govt has done anything, this is lightning fast – so I believe he threatened the crap out of him. maybe it’s been in the works for a while but you can’t tell this dfh Cheney didn’t say NOW!
am completely spun about it’s implications vis-a-vis Iran, bec al-Hakim is a crafty devil and don’t think he’d intentionally do anything to bring trouble to Tehran govt.
btw, codenamed Saulat al-Fursan (Charge of the Knights) yeah like any self respecting Middle Eastern Muslim would ever use a term from the crusades
Be critical.
Heh. That is punishment. Lou Dobbs.
Gotta take off. *wave*
This is persuasive. Also persuasive is the fact that Maliki’s offensive appears to be military failure, strong circumstantial evidence of Bush/Cheney being involved.
Bush currently doing his version of standup, not where he tells jokes but where he is the joke.
Bush: “He’s an easy man to talk to. I appreciate his visions.”
Maybe he’ll dance too!
I heard it was going to be SpaghettiOs
Sorry OT.
This headline pisses me off.
‘Britain sits on sidelines as Iraq’s Basra burns’
http://www.reuters.com/article…..3020080328
The British military/people/’us’ know this whole Iraki mess is a complete bulls-up on the part of the ‘americans’.
I still think they are staying out of the way to keep the airport open, because there is NO guarantee that anyone will be able to get out of Bagdad airport. If things continue, the US forces are looking at another Saigon.
Bush just siad they are going to have a “good lunch” – I assumed that would be hotdogs.
I agree about Krugman mostly but I disagree about his support for Hillary’s health plan. By all evidence it’s a way to force people to buy health insurance when it wouldn’t be good for them such as when they are starting a new business or a new job that now usually doesn’t offer insurance. It penalizes those who are poor but ambitious enough to crawl out of disparate poverty (those who can get Medicaid). The lower middle class has been suffering the most in the last few years and to force them to pay health insurance when they are accused of “playing the system” is unfair and misunderstanding of their position. Obama got it right: they don’t buy into a system because it’s too expensive. Also, forcing the middle class uninsured to pay 10 percent of their income which they can’t spare, would likely just push them down into the Medicaid level and actually increase govt. indebtedness. Obama perhaps is being dishonest too in forcing parents to purchase health insurance for their children when in fact the states should and often does anyway. Just on principal using Govt. to enforce profits for private insurance companies is wrong. (I disagree with state mandated car insurance but at least that’s a relatively small amount compared to health insurance for most people except young men….which is a big cost sometimes up to 300 or 400 a month. But with 800 a month single self employed health insurance rates…people like Clinton or Krugman with their employer-paid benefits they just don’t get how painful it is in lower middle class America.
Obama though by being open-ended and non-specific is also playing a sharper game ’cause any wonky details will be hacked apart not unlike the way I am hacking at Hillary’s anti-lower middle class measures. Obama knows he has to get elected first and the details can be dealt with later.
Krugman was a middle-of-the-road economist before and during the early Clinton years, and he didn’t have a problem with deregulation of the Energy sector and enron for example. I think he can be wrong occasionally even if he was so correct about Bush! Salutes to Krugman for keeping the fire on the problems of the inequitable regime of Bush Corp.
Bush’s ‘tests’ always seem to involve a lot of death.
-G
So right you are.
“Free markets”
and
“The UNSEEN HAND”
Articles of ‘faith’!!
Nothing more, nothing less …
Bush has always enjoyed the deaths of others.
“This loss has not happened by accident. It’s because of decisions made in boardrooms, on trading floors and in Washington. Under Republican and Democratic Administrations, we failed to guard against practices that all too often rewarded financial manipulation instead of productivity and sound business practices..”
I fear for Obama as he’s thrown down the gauntlet and attacked the sharks $$$ from Wall Street to military contractors to the avarice politicians in DC to the privately owned MSM. An earlier Obama speech about the offshore tax havens (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Panama, DUBAI) where these flag wearing traitors stash their stolen wealth to avoid paying their fair share in taxes.
The Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act, S-681 is sponsored by Senators Carl Levin (D-MI), Norm Coleman (R-MN) and Barack Obama (D-IL).
http://taxjustice-usa.org/inde…..;Itemid=79
Bill Clinton laid down the groundwork, (W continued and Hillary and/or McCain will continue as they hollow out the USA). Bill’s handiwork:
NAFTA
WTO
1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall 1933 Act
1996 Telecom Reform Act
So true and this IS the premise in our foreign policy under the Kissinger gang ideologues. They’ve been doing this for decades. Wherever there are natural resources corporation want, they can go steal it with the use of our military and tax monies.
In 1965 the CIA was crawling over Indonesia destabilizing the country until they overthrew Sukarno and replaced him with the US backed, Soehardo. Sukarno knew the ruthlessness of the people who were replacing him so he saved his family by turning the country over to the CIA backed Soehardo.
Corporations began their raping and plundering of Indonesia and supplied arms to execute and exterminate the Indonesians who fought for their homeland. Kissinger was one of the leading architects of this plan. The US called this “spreading democracy”. Anything that was ruthless corporate capitalism was called democracy. It was bloody and left the people in abject poverty.
We have been using the Indonesian destabilization plan ever since. This was the model Kissinger used in Chili. It is being used against Chavez. They have something the corporations want so the ideologues will go steal it by any means possible. The people be damned.
Chimpy: “that depends if you’re a half glass empty or half glass full guy”
Mr Bush – putting the ASS back in the glass.
The entire notion of the actuarial model health “insurance” is bogus to begin with. You buy insurance as an indemnity hedge against unmanageable risk, hoping that you never have to file a claim. I don’t ever wanna get in a car wreck, or have my house destroyed. Health “insurance,” though, is nothing more than 3rd party intermediary payers/middlemen who serve no useful function. They simply add layers of cost to ongoing transactions.
Another question on Iraq elicits from Bush his characteristic grunt when his BS is being called.
this is the oposite of what we should be supporting, industry has to foot the bill for single payer health care
and there has to be a specific, quantitive tax applied to industry that is earmarked for health care, just like the social security tax
He should spend more time xeroxing his face.
Excellent anaylsis!!
cbl2 at 149 says in part-”btw, codenamed Saulat al-Fursan (Charge of the Knights) yeah like any self respecting Middle Eastern Muslim would ever use a term from the crusades”
yeah, i saw the irony in that, too…..
wonder if hugh would make a ’bush irony’ list?
whole ’nuther thing.
bush-the ironic presidency.
I always say conservatives create a story and stick to it like glue despite the facts. The story about Basra is it’s all criminals. It’s sad but it had to be done. That this is a million miles from the realities of Iraq doesn’t mean a thing. The story is all.
See, as a realtor, I don’t see these “taking over mortgages” as just rescueing the homeowner, and I really hope they’re not portrayed as such. My reasoning is that the secondary money market trades in discounted mortgages all the time. Here’s the deal as I see it: Normally when you buy a house and take out a mortgage, the original mortgage giver will sell your mortgage on the secondary mortgage market to recap his capital so that he can re-lend it to some else. They make their money off of the high fees you pay, and sell the mortgages at a discount. Ergo, the mortgage will be discounted anyway. The mortgages are sold in blocks, so individual terms are not necessarily known, but they are backed by the real estate that secures them. Once that real estate loses some of it’s value, be it 10% or 20% or 30%, that value will take years to come back. That’s the danger of the real estate bubble. It likely affects pretty much all of us that own homes in one way or another. But the folks who bought those real estate backed mortgages were hit by a double whammy. They can no longer sell off their assets because everyone knows that their assets have sunk in value, and their money is no longer worth as much as it was when they bought the mortgage because the value of the dollar has declined. Hence what happened to Bear Stearns. So to offer the homeowner a chance to redeem their credit, keep their home (so that it does not stay on the mortgage companies books as an abandoned REO like a millstone) reduce the amount of money that they owe (the principal) to a more reasonable “current market value” (which they would have to do anyway if they repossess the home,) and reduce the mortgage rate to the more reasonable rate that the Fed has recently set, as opposed to whatever ridiculous rate that those ever so appealing ARMs raised to, it helps us all. It relieves the pressure on the money markets, gives them back most of their money which was actually already lost, and more importantly, it puts a light at the end of the tunnel for all of us. (My mortgage went from 7.5% to prime plus 9 pts if I had let it come to the first change before I refied it. I shopped and got a fixed rate at 6.5%, and I did it before money became too scarce. If I tried to do that now, it would be impossible.)
Bush stated Basra in the south was full of criminals.
Mosul in the north was full of Al Qaeda.
Bagdad is under civil war and the Green Zone is being mortared daily.
Success!
-G
To equate Obama’s position on Blackwater with Clinton’s is ill informed. Obama introduced a bill last year to increase Congressional oversight of mercenary contractors. Hillary has ties to Blackwater through Mark Penn.
hugh at 172 right before i read your comment-bush said-”they are criminals breaking the law” with usual emphasis on the wrong syllables. and a raised ’note’ and tone of voice of the word ’law’….when he does that, that’s the word that is a lie…..and said basra AGAIN with too many slurring ’esses’…….
yeah, i know, no threats on firedoglake, so, i’ll keep it to myself……but i don’t like hating someone so much in my heart.
just read moment of silence from yesterday a while ago, and my heart is crying. and i want someone somewhere to do something.
ali, rip.
Exactomento!! Funny, my state (VT) is promoting a Mass. type of system but w/o mandates and the fees are still outrageous and I am one of those doomed self employeed types who makes just enough to get no subsidies (until hopefully I get my teacher/love to marry me). The one amazing fact, I can get a 100K deductable policy for 20 bucks a month…all the other’s were in the hundreds a month. Now if I was rich which policy would I buy? The cheapest and cover myself with the lesser costs…and likely save thousands and even if I had to pay out of pocket for emergencies like a recent ski accident I’d still be way ahead w/o insurance or with a very high deductable that is cheap. That’s how the wealthy do it…and pay like .03 percent of income for health insurance. Why my so-called progressive state is promoting high deductibles and cheaper rates for the wealthy is beyond me. Also, in Vermont I can self insure my auto meaning paying no insurance….if I have proof of 130K liquidity…saving more money.
Remember, The Surge is Working. Let the Force be with you.
Years ago, the father of a close friend of mine was speaking to us one evening.
He was an insurance salesperson. The discussion came ’round to insurance and he said,’Life insurance is a game. It is played this way, you bet the insurance company that you are going to die early, while they are betting that you will live a long time. Does that really make sense?’
I will never forget what he said, nor the humor and honesty which accompanied his description.
thanks for the insight. I occasionally build houses but don’t buy or sell them being I am lucky to have women in my life (between relationships) that’d dealt with that. I rent a place and share a place….as i saw the unbelievable run-ups in real estate as unsustainable. I guess I am lucky having an apartment for only 400 a month and a g/f with good credit and half her house paid off with reasonable rates.
I just heard a local lumber store owner on the radio trying to be upbeat in advertizing his wares but I was struck by the undercurrent of fear in his voice. A little distressing hearing that edge in his voice but maybe he had a cold. A local concrete company laid off half it’s workforce. They sold maybe a hundred yards of ‘crete in Jan. Just bad. (Tell me there’s not a recession, Bush.)
a friend owns a coffee shop….and flour for his pastries went up 50 percent. And carpenters like me are packing more of our lunch and eating out less …that’s the way it is. (hey, I have a poli sci degree with a minor in Chinese…but I didn’t want the job at NSA that my Chi-prof offered…now I wonder if my youthful-dismissal of govt. work was a wise move..). It’s good my g/f is a teacher though. Best job to have in a recession I am hearing.
I have a feeling “knight” is just a translation of the nearest equivalent in Arabic.
Oh please, ill-informed? Or is that your opinion? It is not “ill-informed” to ask specific questions of *both* candidates. Neither are holy cows. “ties” aside–& both candidates have tons of “ties”– Clinton has made something of a statement (see Naomi Klein link). Waiting to hear from Obama, legislative grandstanding aside. I have heard two different positions from the man. Both candidates need to be more specific, less equivocal.
Yes the Kissinger/Nixon legacy. That man Kissinger should be in jail already!
As usual, Obama gave a better speech, but Clinton’s actual concrete policy suggestions were better. Also as usual, I’m afraid I agree with Krugman.
I’ll also note that Clinton’s bailout plan is very similiar to the one I suggested last Saturday.
Yeah, I always used to use that line when I trained new folks at the insurance company I used to work for.
Along with “when the insurance company tells you it’s so sorry your loved one dies. It means it to the bottom of its cold hard heart”.
Ian, thanks for stopping by. I thought a key part of the Welsh plan is to have the government establish a market to define a clearing price for all these underwater products (and set a floor price), allowing the mortgage market to start functioning, sort of. I didn’t see that in the Clinton plan, but maybe it’s called something else. She does have the govt stepping up to take over some mortgages. What am i missing.
She has the government buying up mortgages and resetting them. Done right (and there’s no guarantee she would, but at least she’s heading in the right direction) that could set a floor. Obama’s plan for mortgage relief is voluntary. Not sure the details of her plan, but just buying mortgages is a big step in the right direction. Of course, details matter and she could do it the wrong way.
What I always see with Obama is that he diagnoses the problem well, explains it well, and then comes up with a solution that won’t fix the problem.
Although, actually, I thought what he said about regulation made sense, though I’m not entirely sure I agree with his solution (mostly because I’m unclear on the details of his solution).
Mind you Clinton’s laughable idea of putting together a panel with Greenspan is pretty awful too – the man who, more than anyone, caused this mess? Yeah…
No one mentions the role of the individual states in this mess. It is state courts who do the foreclosing and it is individual cities who will be decimated if foreclosures are permitted to go through on the original terms. I don’t know if state court judges can think that far outside the box, but difficult times create unusual responses. In Ohio a federal judge dismissed several foreclosures (without prejudice) because the plaintiff’s did not prove standing, that is who owned the mortgages. It may be this stuff has been sliced and diced so much the underlying mortgages may be unforecloseable. Serve those SOBs right.
Forgot to leave out the part when Obama finished his speech and proceeded to a fundraiser with Credit Swisse, 1 of 8 of the top ten subprime lending companies fundraising for Sen Obama.
He sounds good here, but then he’s good at that, I wonder if he has the balls to take the next step and start talking about how what’s happening, what’s happened and what’s planned are not….
‘….distortions of the market.’
but the way markets as currently constructed are intended to work. Derivatives, company’s bottom lines (no accounting for using the commons or allowing for the true costs of production and energy), financialization…..etc.
None of these are accidents!
Put that together with the real problems with Pareto, Smith and their modern acolytes and you have the perfect market.
Designed to make the SuperClass richer and richer while it grinds you and me into the dirt.
Enjoy the fallacy of the ‘free market’ while you can.
Whoa! Les not be introducing no reality into the ‘Magic Man’s’ lil’ scam here pal. See Ian Welsh at 187 and realize that the Obama behavior he describes, quite accurately, is…..
NOT A FUCKIN’ ACCIDENT FOLKS!
By now many have figured out just who is tryin’ ta bamboozle whom…
Ya dig?